Vinland Saga 2x18 The First Method - GROUP REACTION!!! 

it means i think honorable warrior or something like that and only real fighters had that name carved on their blade after man and many years in the battle field

Denying the difference in treatment between each owner is like denying the difference between the company x employee relationship today.

@@ArtesMatt Agreed. At one company you get gently raped and at the other you get casually raped. Ketil is a really considerate fellow for his careful, forecful penetration

I mean, slavery is a bad thing, but it's true that there were very different situations. The slaves who worked in the mines were destined to a very miserable and brief existence, made of extremely hard work in dangerous dark places. They would literally kill themself of fatigue in few years or even months. And still, elsewhere, there were slave owners who treated their slaves with humanity and some respect. Sometimes slaves could get paid and at some point they could buy their freedom. The problem here is more specific and situational. As a slave owner Kjetil may be better than many others, but even a good person gets badly hurt when gets betrayed by the ones he considered close enough to entrust with his naked soul and darkest secrets. And when you get badly hurt, you could react in a very brutal way, even nowadays, with or without slavery. Kjetil was probably a bit too naive to believe Arnheid would sincerely reciprocate his affection, maybe forgetting that she was still his slave, so someone forced to be with him. The point is, even a good person could change his mind and behavior at some point if you give him good enough reasons to do so. Especially if you betray his trust. He would question his metods and decide being kind and respectful was pointless. So if the carrot didn't work properly, maybe it's time to get the stick.

@@karst1559 Obviously there were different situations and regulations around slavery in various places at various times. But in all cases the master has control over the body of the slave and has the right to enforce that control through violence. The violence and terror are a necessary component of slavery. When Ketil is making sexual advances on Arnheid that threat of violence is strongly implied if not necessarily used. What the character of Ketil demonstrates is that slave owners who did things like allow some slaves to buy their freedom were already incredibly wealthy and could afford this "niceness". But when that wealth is threatened or the slave owner can't easily replace those slaves, the slave owner will be quick to toss that niceness aside. Einar and Thorfinn are replaceable assets but Arnheid is not.

@@goclbert I agree, mostly. But "violence and terror as necessary component of slavery" could be sometimes true only as a last resort. In ancient and medieval times the technology was way different than now. Slavery wasn't some kind of sickly hobby for evil weirdos, it was a necessity to manage and maintain a rudimental economic productive system. It means that a slave owner wasn't necessarly a cruel b@stard, but first of all a "manager". I'm sure there were always people who didn't enjoy violence, at least without very good reasons. Sure, some people would use violence and terror to rule, while others would prefer reason, respect, trust and agreements, the kind of "if you help me, I will help you, so we both are going to gain something good from this situation and try to have a better life". I mean, a slave who decides his condition isn't too bad, would still prefer to stay with his owner and have some basic certainties (food, clothes, a bed and, roof) instead of take the risk to flee towards the unknown world around them. After all there were definitely many free people (small farmers, poor citizens...) who lived way more miserable lives than some amongst the slaves. But you're right: slavery is still an awful condition and in any moment and for whatever reason, the owner could just decide to use his rights over his own slaves lives and bodies.

I can't imagine how much worse it could have been

Mangaka did not hold back 😢😢 He said in an interview he was not holding back but he said he should have when he watched the anime.

It was not big differences here execept the dude who was watching over her when he was talking to her he open up her leg under the clothes. That is all differences!

@@user-fr9ee8vc7i nah the Manga had more blood to see

Yeah the manga was pretty brutal.

Yeah , whole time i just felt for the poor woman

U do know that Canute is indirectly responsible for arnheids condition.....right ? It can also be interpreted as......"nice man" will always be gonna taken advantage of.... its sad reality of life. If Ketil wasnt as nice as he was.....people would have think twice before crossing him. He is truly interesting character till now.

This is Canute's fault, he pushed him to this extent by trying to steal the farm from him

@@cristalido3640 the only person who deserves to be blamed for what happened to Arnhied is the one who brutally beat her up with a log

@@cristalido3640 Ketil would still be a slave owner raping his female slave. There is no one else to blame for Arnheid problems than Ketil himself.

Yeah, Ketil is not a bad man, he treated his slaves with more humanity than most people... It's just that, since he's so kind and nice, Canute took advantage of him and then his wife, and the man was pushed to the very limits, taking it out on Arnheid, but since Snake stopped him, he now wants to take it out on Canute. Poor fucker is just so done he doesn't knows what to do but go on a rampage.

@@cristalido3640 That's exactly how many men are today: the high taxes, the government stealing some of their hard-earned work, responsibility for the family, misfit children... We are charged with an almost magical ancestral strength to support all of this.

No matter how different words the wife used, it doesn’t matter here, he didn’t like the fact she tried to escape. Just like his farm he views her as his property. He been ra*ing her for years, I don’t think there’s anything grey about this situation. Still the writing behind his character and development is great.

@@momame8258 If you think the wife plays no role here, just as you think her words didn't impact the course of events, that's fair, of course. It is certainly a plausible interpretation.

@@ArtesMatt do you think if he learned about her escape plan from another character would’ve changed his action ?

Okay, calm the fuck down, fam... Tucker turned his own daughter into a monster for the sake of keeping his status as a state alchemist, Ketil is an honest man that got taken advantage of by Canute and his own wife (who manipulated him into hating Arnheid by using the right words) so he wasn't thinking straight, he was absolutely out of it and taking it out on Arnheid because she betrayed him despite being the person he trusts the most, to the point of telling her that his Iron Fist Ketil reputation is built on a lie. As soon as Snake stops him, he just goes to take it out on Canute by picking his sword and getting ready to fight him... This is clearly a man that has lost it after being screwed over twice.

@@cristalido3640 I think you calm the fuck down. I just commented my opinions on Ketil. Did I even imply that this is "exactly how Ketil is"? No. I just stated I hate him for this horrible act. Doesn't matter what led him to this point, what he did was truly despicable (and what later get revealed about Ketil truly defines him as a weak pathetic human being).

@@cristalido3640 there’s a lot of reaching going on here, yes Ketil is interesting and well written character but I don’t get why you trying to shift the blame to everyone around him but him. Also even if he didn’t beat her, she’s been forcefully having sex with him for years now.

He was never iron fist

but i am pitied for gardar more than ketil from gardar point of view his action justified it not just about steel if there rival village take the all steel it was also terrified for there village yeah but nobody knows future then this turn out like this. arnheid decide to escape with garder is great choice for me it is stabilize her strong character and love for his husband and in manga she admit or realise all gardar's action is for her and his family's future. where ketil he does not love his wife because she was old and he only punish arnheid (i am not saying to punish thorfin and einar but technically they all are responsible) where he give freedom for einar and thorfin like nothing happened. i don't think he abandoned his whole farm just for arnheid and what he did in this ep yeah he was traumatized but he literally killed arnheid if snake does not stop him then act like he cared her and i was laughed when he said tend her wound me be like; what the hell firstly beat her like animal then tend her wound . and lastly arnheid where to start and where end no word for her only misery and pity. Honestly i like thorfin character development but in whole farmland arc from stating to end i miss teenage thorfin and now i personaly does not care about ketil's farm

@@sagarrawat9620 you don't care about the farm anymore but you still do care about old master, right?

@@hashshashiinme7656 you got me yeah

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