Hey Scout, what do you think about those old school Shopsmith multi tool work stations that we used to see on TV back in the 80s. I have an opportunity to by a Mark V but don’t know if they are of any real use or good quality. Did you ever use one?
@@JohnSmith-yl6dn Hi John. A friend had one and it worked okay for a hobby shop with limited space. Since the one powerhead ran everything the footprint was less than having several dedicated machines. The drawback is that you can only perform one operation at a time and each required a separate teardown and setup.
@@JohnSmith-yl6dn A friend from work back then had one. Very pricey,I thought,but really.cool and useful and some models were better/ or/ worse than others. Compare that and the former/current price and condition for your budget and you just might have a winner. Good luck. 🙂✌️❤
Huge Shout-out to Scoutcrafter for helping me so much as I recover from a life changing surgery.The videos are great inspiration to keep on keeping on! Thanks again for all the work you put into the videos.Enjoying my new passion in beautiful SW Michigan!
@@aaronmohr5285 Aaron my buddy Cliff made that and he has a great channel on making all sorts of small projects! Go check him out here! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MGx606AnbXY.html
@@aaronmohr5285 Fellow MICHIGAN denizen here,CALHOUN COUNTY. 🙂✌️❤ Glad you made it. Last year in JULY 2021 I went to the hospita😷l and died,was on machines to do my breathing for me.🤕 Strangely (to me) I was back home five days later,but I still have some lingering problems to this day. But I thank God and all those who helped me to be alive today.👍
That vise is coming along great as always and for pipes he is showing you appreciation and feeding you because you are one of the pack so enjoy the gifts he brings it's his love for you
Great video John 😃 I have to say your cat must love you very much to bring to such nice presents. Think about it, he can’t bring you a tool to show its love. Nice helpful information on the vise! Thank You for sharing !
Jack- Pipes is such a good boy, I remember when I had to get him and his two brothers fixed at the vet I picked them up and I felt so bad knowing what they just went thru. I came home and the two brothers weren’t happy with me but Pipes came over for a hug…. 😃👍
That cleaned up so nice...wow. I have had my fair share of projects that wanted to fight me every inch of the way...those project always involve some sort of stupid pin 🤣🤯. Cheers
I enjoyed your video today. My brother lost his fight with cancer this morning and we had some family things to take care once that day was over I cam home and watched you video thinking of my brothers who was one of those men in the world that just understands anything mechanical you placed in front of him. I watched this video thinking of him and cried my eyes out. Thank for such a simple cleanup and polish on this vice. I have been up for hours and running on pure adrenaline. Thank you Scout Crafter. My brother name was Duane and he was my hero I will miss him but I have all the good people with this channel.
Hello David- I am so sorry for your loss, I have also lost much of my family to Cancer and even though we have some notice of what is to come when it happens it is still like a punch in the gut. You must always remember that one day we will all be together again... I promise in time you won't feel sad over Duane's passing but remember the many good times you two have shared...
Hi,Great fan of your channel. I think you do great restorations. I learn something new every time I watch. Can’t wait to see how the vise turns out. I did notice when you had the vise upside down showing were you drilled the pin out, I saw a round little circle between the lettering (No0L4)⬅️the big 0 represent the circle.)) I think that is Where the other pin is at. That looks like something that vise company would do. I know you said you were done with it but just wanted to know if you see it before you prep it for paint. Love the idea 💡 for the bushing for the vise that was awesome! If you don’t have a lathe how else can we install a bushing like that? Can we use pex pipe or brass tubing? Well like I said I enjoy your channel and can’t wait to see the finish restoration.Best channel on RU-vid 😄👍
Steven- I just looked back at the video and I believe you are 100% correct! I see the circle now that I blow up the video! I did think the other circle I drilled was too low to engage the slide but your pin location looks correct! Thanks so very much and great observation!!!!!
John, another crap to ice cream. My late friend, this was his favorite comment when repairing the race car. You remind me of him. He could do anything like you. John you have went farther on the restoration then most would. This is why I enjoy your channel. Thank you
Pipes senses the work here if you eat here atmosphere at "His" home, and loves having such a great home, Pipes works hard as not to lose his 3 squares , tanks for sharing
Nice job John this was the first vice I restored many vises ago. You are right they are a cheap one but you can make them nice. Look forward to see what you do.
great tutorial scout. got the tool bug at 12 or so years of age. my father was an engineer at Grumman on the island. Didn’t know a screwdriver from a pair of pliers. when I was 21 or so, my mother got me a craftsman bench vice for Father’s Day. my favorite tool of all
You'd think they'd have used a jig to align those jaw screw holes! I do like their ability to clamp pipes too. So often you need a second vice or jaw adapters to grip round stuff. If you don't have room on your bench for several vices, fitting a hardwood block to the bass enables you to fit one vice in another. Looks daft, but works well.
Hello Scout, fantastic project, looking forward to part 2, I have arguments with inanimate objects all the time 🤣.. you might have seen UK comedy series from the 70’s called fawlty towers, where he his hitting his car with tree branch because it will not start.. one of the funniest scenes ever.. definitely worth a watch if you haven’t seen it! Great episode as always🙌 cheers Rob
Heartwarming to see this vice come back to life! Especially so since this is an 'inexpensive' vice. What I mean is that for whoever HAD this vice --- It was what they could afford. So seing it restored really makes me smile.
John, I get the feeling you are a part-time lathe salesman. I don't know how often I think "I need a lathe" while watching your videos! Please keep up the great job!
PLENTY of snakes in New York and every town all across the country but LOTS in d.c. Biggest concentration in d.c. Brave kitty and a good vise to have. Beats smoking and drinking. Happy monday, Buddy and GBWYou! And an old impact you use with a hammer works really good too!
John good entertaining video, that extra proud slag lip that you ground off below the steel jaws may have been what caused one of the previous owners to put so much force that it bent the steel, good fix.
Hey John, send me that cat.😁 I'm glad the straightening job on this vise didn't have to be un-done.🤣🤣🤣 I'm working on a vise clean up last few days, it will never be as nice as yours. Thanks for the videos
Great video. I did learn a lot about vices today. Great advice. I have a few old vices that need help badly. Maybe I can use that cheap metal lathe. Thanks again. Can't wait to see the finish..
Looking good so far Scoutcrafter! I did a Littlestown vise a while back with the same sort of problems. They spit those things out by the thousands. There is a cool video on here showing them making them back in the late forties I believe. Take care 😃👍🏼
Great show John , thank you for the mention , it just so happens I've bought a 1gbp c.parker .... In a bit worse condition than that chief .... Nice to watch someone else sort a vice out!!
Talk about a coincidence. I "restored" a no name USA made vise myself today. I need to make one final adjustment because is has too much side play and doesn't always line up sideways properly. Thanks for sharing
Hi Jon 👋, great resto as always n nice video 👍, quick question , a fair while ago you were talking about restoring a special old motor . Did I miss the video or are you working on it ?
Peter- Believe it or not it’s on my kitchen table! I am waiting for slightly cooler weather, the temps are still hot here and I try not to be in the shop more then 2 hours at a time now. It’s coming soon! 😃👍.
To borrow a line from RoboCop, I'd buy that for a dollar! Neat little grass snake your boy Pipes caught there. Maybe I have a little cat in me because I used to find grass snakes, slow worms and newts and bring them home with me as a kid.
I always have had a deep respect (fear) of snakes and treated everyone I ever ran across as poisonous. Later in life I found that to be a smart practice as I have run across some highly poisonous snakes in the field. One day I was face to face with a Rattle Snake and it was coiled and shaking it's rattle... Needless to say I could have used my brown pants that day. =D
@@ScoutCrafter Luckily there is only 1 native species of venomous snake here in the UK that being the Adder. It's easy to identify given that there are only 3 native snake species in total here and it has very distinctive markings. As venomous snakes go it's not all that either. You're only at risk of death if you are a very small child, elderly or ill and even then the risk is low there have only been 14 fatal bites recorded since 1876 the last one was in 1975. We might have crappy weather most of the year here but we don't have venomous spiders, wolves, bears or big cats to worry about either.
I might finally have a tip for you that you don't already know. If you stop it it welding supply shop you can get this dye, it's very thin and usually red or pink. It's designed to find faults in welds but I've never used it that way. I have found it to be tremendously helpful particularly with cast iron locating fasteners that have sort of become one with the casting. It perfectly outlines tapered pins and does so precisely enough that you can take measurements to determine the taper. It's also a great trick for reading long lost engravings. Not nearly as good in HSS or cold rolled, but it's an absolute must have if you like to restore cast iron machinery. They sell a small one at a price that makes it tempting to buy the larger tub. The little glue stick size one will probably last your lifetime, the tub is false economy. The other reason I personally prefer the tiny one is that this stuff is not forgiving. If you spill some, it will find any deep spot and make it Pink. It's not that hard to clean off but surfaces you thought of as flat, well they usually are pink enough that it's not worth the trouble.
I must I must get some of that stuff if it brings out faded names in tools it sounds very interesting Ash Man gets out and trying out and make a film about it thanks for the tip
Had to go check my vise to see if indeed it.had a 'JAW-WERE'. 😁 Thanks for always being a good sport with my teasing.😉 I don't always agree when you erase the stamping/lettering on some tools but overall your methods and outcomes are decent and acceptable at the least for these restorations.👍 Keep it up. 🙂✌️❤ 🙈🙉🙊
I only remove lettering on tools that are considered junk or very common. My favorite projects are taking junk tools that are throw-aways and making them nice again. =D
@@ScoutCrafter I like to find old tools still in good to great,and,usable condition.and leave them and the patina as is and use the tools. I keep them all together usually in one tool bag or box. But I like your and many others ways,means and methods too. It's all good as long as they are being preserved and passed on with info to those behind us. 🙂✌️❤
Great work on the vise so far. I need to find myself a decent vise to mount on my roll cab tool box. My eyes will be watching craigslist or marketplace. Wish me luck.
Very nice work S.C... If that person had sent me the vice, it would have been the last time he sent me anything to repair... Lol.. I thought you were going to use a pc of delrin...the black stuff... But PVC worked great...Take care, looking forward to seeing pt 2...
Hi Gary- Since there is no wear or force on the bushing sleeve I use the less expensive PVC and also very available to anyone. It makes such a difference in these inexpensive vises! Thanks!
@@ScoutCrafter well u did a fantastic job.. as u always do.. can't remember who recommended your channel to me but I'm glad they did.. Take care and grab some good stuff on your midnight walks..
I got a pair of channellock 430 from the 50's that have been used & abused. I saved them from a flea Market for $6. I don't have the proper tools and know-how to bring them back to life. I think it would be a great challenge for you to do. If you're interested in that I would love to send them your way and see what you can do for them.
Hi John, great video as usual. Did you happen to see Engles Coach Shop where Dave rebuilt a vise that by his own admittance he abused to the point it failed. An interesting part was when he made new jaws and used his hydraulic press and a rasp to make the teeth in the jaw after he heated it up.
@@ScoutCrafter John, you bring your own set of skills to the table. I admire what you accomplish on your restorations and perspective on life. I actually found your channel after watching Dave's video where he shows off the wrench you restored and gave to him. I often watch both yours and Dave's video on my lunch break at work, gives me a few minutes away from the stress of my job. Thanks for all you do !
Hi John. You have Mish Mosh Monday and TGIF for Friday, but I've noticed that you don't have a name for your Wednesday videos. So why not ask your subs for a name for your Wednesday videos? My entry would be 'Whatever Wednesdays' 😁
That ledge sticking out that you ground off is probably why the vise was bent. The guy who bent it was perhaps trying to close the jaws and they were stuck open on the ledge??
Yeah 50/50 was developed during a university study on rust penetrants. They threw it in as an economic alternative to commercial products. Turns out it works as good as anything else does. If you're busting rust you're probably not rich so economics is a big factor.
I'm glad you said it instead of me! I was having the hardest time saying nothing because I had nothing nice to say. Littleton vices are probably my most hated tool on Earth. I literally won't take them for free. I think it is the vice version of the f wrench! I hate these vices with such a passion. I normally take apart and recycle absolutely everything metal. I won't even bother with these. The metal is not reusable for anything, it's completely honeycombed and I don't think any two vices have interchangeable parts. I don't know what genius decided to put the ram under the screw, creating the worst of both worlds, but I hope somebody smacked him in the mouth before his time was gone. Horrible creations. Worst of all, they are absolutely everywhere! It only takes 5 minutes of using one to know it is worthless, why did so many people save them? Or maybe that's exactly it. Maybe it came free with a decent quality workbench and everybody recognized it was crap from the very beginning so now we have a lot of stock
LOL- I agree 100% however I am shocked at the prices they fetch on eBay! People, for some unGodly reason like them! LOL I must say that with extensive work and a few mods you can make this into a usable LIGHT-DUTY vise. However I always try to steer people towards a better vise because in my opinion it is the most useful tool in the shop! =D
Can’t help wondering if that protruding lip beneath the removable jaw was a contributing factor to that bottom bar being bent. If the jaws looked like they weren’t shut properly it would be tempting to the uninitiated to crank down on that bar and try and tighten it further rather than to look why it’s not gripping properly. Then presto, over tightened and bar bent.
OK Scout fans in our next episode.. Will Pipes bring back new prey? Will ScoutCrafter paint the vice or keep it metal? Will the Dake be back? Tune in next time. Same Scout time! Same Scout channel! See you next time ScoutCrafter Fans!
LOL Yes Pete! I believe the factory intentionally peened the bar to add some thickness, I removed it only to find I created more slop! LOL These inexpensive vises will really test your patients!
Quick cat question. I've always only ever had dogs. Recently I've had a lot of mice downstairs so I was planning to get an outdoor cat. I placed an ad to this effect and basically got tore a new one. I was told repeatedly that having an outdoor cat was cruelty. I had planned to provide an indoor bed and litter box and feeding station and the weather is a very mild in the northwest. We do lose the occasional cat to eagles or coyotes though. I tried to do some research and I learned that outdoor cats are pretty ruthless killers of certain songbirds but I couldn't find any solid data on it being cruel to the cat itself. But the input I received was pretty consistent. There was only one or two voices that did not regard this as ethically wrong. I know we live in very different environments, but I don't know the first thing about cats. What is your opinion? I never even got a clear understanding of what these people saw as cruelty besides the predation but to me that's just part of nature. Obviously I don't want to see a pet get hurt, but presumably cars are much more fatal to cats than predators? So I'm open to views from both sides, I would like to understand the argument and make my own decision. I'm just not hearing any clear reasons one way or the other, just a lot of emotional response and testimonials. So what gives? What is everyone else's opinion? Is it wrong to have an outdoor cat? What's the minimum level of care that you see as ethically required? Quick edit; do you know of any other particularly effective rodent deterrents?
There are basically two types of common cats, house cats and feral cats. I have always had house cats that would scratch at the door and let you know they want to go out and after a couple hours would come in and eat and sleep. =) Last year for the first time a feral cat had kittens near my property and as any cat lover would do I started feeding them. Once they were big enough I caught them, took them to the vet and had their shots and all of them fixed. These were all outside cats now meaning that if I wanted to capture them and make them inside cats they would be very miserable. After a certain time outside cats become feral. Now I trained two of them to come inside once and a while but there are 2 others that will go crazy if you close a door behind them. (feral) They say the lifespan of a Feral cat is only a few years but there are always exceptions. House cats live about 12 years. Some cats are not good at mousing so getting one for that purpose is a crap shoot. I am no expert but I have 3 indoor cats and take care of 4 outside cats. They are all fed 3 times a day and fresh water twice a day. I would not have these cats if not for covid. However as they say Cats find their owners. =D As for the mice you have to eliminate the food source. They will leave. =D
John, I know you have explained your 50/50 mixes countless times over the years but is there a video you could point me to that explains each one and their uses. Thanks for doing these videos, they inspire me to get out in my shop.
50/50 was a research project some university did. They tested all kinds of rust penetrants and they also mixed up 50% acetone and 50% ATF and the 50/50 mix worked as good as any commercial product did. One of the goals of the project was a developing country economic angle. Poor countries don't have all kinds of money to throw away. Who does?
Hello Terry- I actually did a few videos on lubricants and really all are useful! Part 1- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rbnfmG2b-Vs.html Part 2- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PmeI8yMJLFg.html 50/50- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CA8girXbobY.html Thanks!
It is a very cool vise though, but those littco's allways seem to get you into a lot of work. I own two I haven't got around yet, one has a jaw missing and that Ridge below missing and I'm figuring out how to deal with that still. I've heard cats bring you game because they what to show you how to hunt for yourself and don't under why you don't, I don't know if it's true or not, sort of does fit their characters though. I hope you'll have a great week!
Alex- The problem is it takes just as long to restore a junk vise as it does a good vise. After restoration the junk vise is still worthless but nice. 😂👍
My female cat brings all manner of critters in to us; same are dead but most are alive. We can't seem to make her understand that she doesn't have to bring us presents. Oh well! Also, I know you've mentioned it before but do you prefer a paddle or slide switch on your grinder? See you on Wednesday. Jim
Jim- Paddle or trigger is the way to go- a momentary switch is required in many shops as they are safer. Slide switches will stay on after a mishap... Thanks!
LOL- My Press is a small bench top 10 Ton model. With these small presses they usually will spit the part out before exploding. =D However I never put a lot of pressure on a part I am worried about shattering. I have seen things explode and send shrapnel everywhere, most times with large big money hydraulic presses.
'American made means quality'....not so much. I recall the 70's as AMC went out of business. Lack of quality administration was the central issue which Iacocca had to fix at Chrysler back in '91.
Mark- You are so right. I have always kept an open mind to where products are made. Even China puts out some good stuff. However I have seen many instances where some American Auto makers absolutely screwed it's customers... What a shame..
Correction: I fat fingered the '81. I was a few years out of High School. It was huge huge political news. For all you youngsters, Iacocca joined Chrysler to save it, asked the Government for $4bn. in the form of a loan, and got it. To his immense credit he paid it back faster than required, and it was an essential tool in saving Chrysler.
I'm sure that you are aware that lathe chucks need to be reground occasionally and that when doing so, it's ideal for the Jaws to be clamped on a piece of stock that represents the average size of material you work on. The outside Jaws a ring is typically used to achieve the same. The overall concept being that when the vice is under pressure, that's when your jaws need to align. So why does this principle not carry over to a bench vise? Shouldn't we theoretically be clamping on a 123 block close to the edge and then grind to make those meat precisely? My instinct says no, to grind it closed. But I can't come up with the logic for exactly why. Do you happen to know?
I always found that a good immediate indication of vise alignment is seeing how the vise closes. If the Vise is cocked or out of alignment you will see it right away in the jaw contact. That being said I have a 100 year old anvil-vise that is all wobbly and loose but holds parts OK. I think once we use a high quality vise it is all over for us. LOL You can't go back!
