Viperconcept's Racing Games chart (Episode 8) 

I want to make add something to the video: I noticed that some people shared my chart on other social media, like facebook, reddit and Twitter. Nothing wrong with it... I mean I like when more people can see my opinion about racing games. What I dislike is some people just simply "jump to the conclusions" laughing at the position of some games of my chart. Let's take for example DiRT Rally 2.0: it seems strange for some people I put it to an lower position in terms of physics compared to WRC... but I put it THERE because we are all aware of the awful physics on tarmac... not to mention the more precise FFB you have on WRC. Similiar story for the non-modded version of Richard Burns rally: as you saw in my video-review about it, the behavior of FWD cars is totally wrong. And I penalized it on the chart for this reason. Or let's take for example GTA IV: yeah it's more realistic than you think if we keep in mind the good damage model (both graphical and mechanic) and the very differen behavior of FWD-AWD and RWD cars. For those 2 reasons I decided to reward the game made by Rockstar Games Or... seems strange Project CARS 1 is almost at the same level of physics of GT Sport... but most of you forget you can't drift on Project CARS 1. If you try to drift on Project CARS 1, you simply spin. Is that realistic? I don't think so. Is that a big problem which penalizes the physics level on my chart? yes. I understand some of you won't agree with my chart - it's my chart, and my modest subjective opinion of course, afterall - but you can't imagine how many factors you have to keep in mind on both physics and graphics to make the most accurate chart. But at least, despite the fanboy behaviour of some people, I take the risk to make a chart like this one. Just name me one (not small) RU-vidr who makes the same; I don't know if you'll find it, because in most of cases his job is just to have more subscribers. And how do you make subscribers? by avoiding risky videos which upsets fanboys. So, at least, I take that risk with this video, because for me, it's more important to express my opinion than having more subscribers, which allows me to have more genuine thoughts about games. I'm very sorry about this long final statement, thanks for your attention. :D

Every time i think about getting a racing game I always come to these charts so i know what i can expect from myself and the game. Thanks bro! One of these days when real life isnt kicking my butt, I gotta try one of your lessons.

Such a good review series, I've been waiting for this episode!

4:25 "Is it legit to expect big changes on both graphics and physics?" Black Box: _just cries_ Btw, loving your content - it's greatly helping me out to find which games I should try.

It's amaze me you put Outrun 2006 in this video. I still have lot of fun with that game. How about Horizon Chase Turbo newest DLC, Senna Forever?

you should seriously add 'live for speed' too

NFS HP3 has the best techno soundtrack ever

You should add Live for Speed to the list.

It's 1 A.M. , but it's never late to watch a Viperconcept's video 😁

I would kill for a Gran Turismo spin off like FH: *same physics as GT Sport (or GT7 that is coming soon) *no stupid plot, no narrator constantly stroking your ego, no dumb gimmicks and setups like racing against airplanes and skydivers *just a beautiful open world to drive in against other people online, like those Assetto Corsa highway mods in a gigantic scale

This was very well thought-out, and explained in a great detail. Thank you for making this chart!

I noticed in your chart doesn't have Gravel yet. Would like to hear your opinion about it since it was made by the same developers for HW Unleashed.

Thanks!! Finally another video of this series!! :D

FH in the whole with its weird physics is absolutely out of my sight. Flying hypercars and racing through forests and fields - it feels like Trackmania. I'm too old for that. Driveclub is much more interesting for me.

I've just played like an hour of Horizon 5 and I'm in love with it. First of all like a mexican obviusly I was so into it when it was first announced, but then, playing with controller, I felt it so easy to adapt for my driving style, like really natural. Really excited to complete the game, love your content, keep the good work.

Also, I think Rims was forgotten (I know it's not about cars but it seemed pretty realistic and I'd like to see where it placed)

Great video!!! Very accurate and with a lot of explanations. In the next episode I would like to see Dirt 2, HP 2010 and The Crew 2! Three of my most favorite games

I would love a review for the "Horizon Chase" from you, pure arcade game, with lots of nostalgia for 80's/90's games

Less than a year to TDU SC ☀️👑 I wait for TDU 1 in the chart

Back to another series from an amazing RU-vidr.

Gran Turismo 7 will rank very highly in both physics and graphics ;)

For me F1 championships edition is still the best F1 game we have gotten.

The thumbnail shows NFS HPIII (or NFS High Stakes) on the left. I was slightly dissapointed that it wasn't included in this video. Any chance you might add it in a future video? Keep up the great vids Viper! I became a better driver on AC thanks to you!

Does this serie deserves* an episode 9 now in 2024?

Ray Tracing will be anecdotal since we have hybrid 3D engines (rasterization+RT). See Metro Exodus RT edition, it's full RT and it's gorgeous.

Joo, thx for making these lists as always. Can you add Live for Speed too sometime?

When modded richard burns rally :)

Love the intro with driver style

You need to add ,,Live for speed,, , an old sim

I'm not going to judge the Sim-arcade axis, you know much better than me. but the graphics axis is really weird to me. For example, how is Midnight Club L.A not better looking than F1 championship edition ? Strange choice.

Please finally test and put Test Drive Unlimited on the chart.

Viper, please check out Tokyo Xtreme Racer Drift 2. It's a PS2 game with arguably the best physics on the platform. There's a big focus on drifting, which feels just as good as regular driving. The cars have weight, and you can almost "feel" that weight being thrown around corners, and "feel" when the tires lose grip and enter a drift. You have to try it.

When you return Viper, it needs an update. Like Le Mans Ultimate, Forza Motorsport 8, Gran Turismo 7, World Rally Championship '23, Initial D Arcade Stage, Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune. Where would games already on the chart go after they get a new updated? And as for Richard Burns Rally, apparently the physics are better than Dirt Rally 2. After RBR been heavily modified.

Me : Oh ! Diablo SV on Hometown ! Maybe he'll talk about NFS 3 : HP ? Video : *doesn't contain anything about NFS 3 : HP* Me : My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined

Wreckfest my favorite right now

A rating of GRID Autosport would be nice. It is currently the only really usable game with simulation elements on Android. With a smartphone holder for the Xbox controller absolute fun for in between or when you are on the road and do not have to drive xD. Real Racing 3 is rather a fancy pay to win graphic demo with prefabricated vehicle animations to simulate physics. There is software in the PlayStore that has potential. But the development either takes forever, or at other points is failed. But it's nice to see that slowly usable and especially "paid" games are coming into the PlayStore again.

I can't wait to see gt7 and fm8 on the chart

8:21 I you mean by selling you Ayrton Senna Cards & the ability to play as Lewis Hamilton through Lootboxes then yes.

I think some games should just have a option on the settings menu where you could chose if you want to play the game with arcade/ sim-arcade physics or full realism for sim racers. That way they would attract evry type of people for the game.

btw since you havent posted in a few years, automobilista 2 revently had an update that fixes the tire model. so it seems its even better now

Cool seeing Outrun 06 in there. That game is completely unmatched, nothing else like it. It's so much fun. When you're not crashing in the walls of the starry night sky stage, wondering whether you suck or if the game speed is messed.

I'm waiting for a new entry of this series, there are some new racing games, like GT7

You should add Nascar Racing 2003 to the list, it would make it really interesting

Getting WRC10 on the same grafical level of dirt 2.0 is actually quite a complement. Just got WRC 10 for the PS5 and it looks worse than dirt on the PS4. Something about the textures... Even so the game is solid and more realistic than dirt 2.0 for sure.

I know what you mean about fh5, but it is a bit more realistic in physics than fh4 in my opinion and waaay more than other mainstream open world racers. It’s getting there slowly and steady :)

You should add Crazy Taxi, that one was so fun

Nice video! Would love to see you review the older forza games, especially FM1.

Very informative video!

I totally agree on FH5 lets just hope they go more sim with FM8, since it will be hard for anyone to beat FH5 and they can only release more and more content for this game for maybe 5 years

Hi VC, I was wondering whether you're planning to fit Live For Speed in this chart; I'd like to hear your take on it :)

Let's take an example: Harju, WRC game: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pYz6BDQr5ig.html - Harju, real life, Ogier: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VC4vWd08njQ.html Look at the first hairpin: how slow the braking is compared to the game; how he hits the apex of the corner with the car pretty much in reverse to create a force vector that's gonna pull him out of the corner past that apex, which is uneeded in the game; there's more deceleration happening as the car slides into that angle with no throttle input at all to allow the tyres grip, and that deceleration is also much slower than in the game. Look at how the real car's front end dives under braking before the second corner, how sophisticated the braking technique is, and how he wiggles the car (scandinavian flick) to make it enter on the corner with a good balance. In the game he enters at F1 speed and corners the same way; the lateral grip is just ridiculous, as if the tyres are massively gripy or the car is ultra lightweight. In real life, the corner is too slow, and you can look at the exit how the weight transfers and the active diffs make the car turn to the right, forcing the driver to countersteer to the left and modulate the throttle. In the game you can exit that stuff with the steering straight and full throttle. Thru the rest of the course you can see Ogier planting and setting the car with weight transfering techniques and dealing with oversteer/understeer produced by the ruts on the groundd or the different loads of weight each tyre has at different moments or whatever. Real life looks exciting, difficult, complex, heavy, like it demands plenty of weight transfering techniques and good understanding of the balance of the car, etc. The game looks soft, easy, simple, lightweight, ultra grippy, like it doesn't demands weight transfering techniques nor understanding of the balance of the car, etc.

Cool intro, Driver Parallel Lines

Very nice video! Also Viper, what is your opinion about Trackmania Series? Do you think is a good racing game series?

It what be interesting to hear your thoughts on such open world games such as Need For Speed: Heat, and The Crew 2. I know both of them are very simcade but interesting none the less I think. Be it these open world games are very popular in the driving genre. Have a good day :)

Where does the original "Race Driver: Grid" from 2009 go on the chart? Unlike Grid 2, it doesn't have the "brake to drift" bullcrap, you actually have to take part in a drift event and set up your car properly to drift. The rest of the driving is proper grip driving. Also, where does Midnight Club 3 DUB Edition: Remix go? The graphics are extremely dated by now, but that game is my childhood.

We need first race driver grid game here

Sono un sacco belli sti video :D

Tell me, which games are the best in their class? (offline!) 1.Rally-Dirt rally 2.0,but if it's hard, then which one? WRC9 / 10? 2. GT/Touring - Assetto,P Cars 2. I have both 3.Formula 1-? 4.Nascar-? 5.And a bit of street/ tuning - NFS Heat? P.S. i want download old races-GRID, GTR2 too.

You should add "Ferrari challenge trofeo pirelly","Supercarchallenge", Pgr3,Pgr4,and forza m.7 on the list.

How is shift 2 (a simcade) considered less realistic than motorstorm (a full arcade)?

You should add Live for Speed

I would like you to add Nascar Heat 5. Maybe using a Roval or a Racing Track instead just ovals. I found it very challenging but fun at the same time

I sure miss studio Liverpool

please consider older Forza games, cuz i think, more realistic than modern ones in some aspects and the Simbin masterpiece GTR2

Viper, have you tried Horizon Chase Turbo? It's super arcady, but good fun. =)

Me gusta esta saga de videos. Por favor, incluye GTR2 FIA GT

I noticed two patterns here The more the developers are forced to push games by the publisher, the more repetitive and non innovative it gets so the game will get pretty stale pretty quickly And also this one is the most important the more they try to appear to a wider audience the worse more diluted the game gets, they need to get this. They cannot make everyone happy they need to focus on their already existing playerbase and improve on that

Nice chart! I wonder why you rate AC still higher than rFactor 2 concerning graphics, when no mods like Sol are used in AC? Without mods like Sol, AC is really showing its age and rFactor 2 is better now (except maybe for some old ISI content), and also has rain and day/night transitions. So what is your reasoning behind this?

What do you think of forza motorsport 7?

I would love to see your opinion on Grand Prix Legends.

I love this chart. It's fantastic and brings me into the world of sim racing. Is there any update version of this chart that includes Gran Turismo 7?

Actually i have my old PS2 fat and a original copy of OR06CC. I'm pretty skilled in drifting and my favourite car is the "Dino 246"

I think the vertical axis of graphics on your chart needs to be labeled as realism of graphics, like you have done with physics on the horizonal axis. I think Outrun Coast 2 Coast looks better than a lot of games that are higher than it vertically because of the art style, but I think your placement is correct based on realism. There are other games that have "aged" really well due to artistic choices, such as Auto Modellista, Dirt 2 and Race Driver Grid.

And i really confussion about f1 20201 game is: WHY THEY DELETING ALL CLASSIC F1 CARS?

The new Forza Engine is coming. Let's see of they can make something cool with it in Horizon 6

Still waiting for Trackmania reviews

what do you think of adding the arcade game sega rally 1 to the list? could be curious, considering it's got some realistic physics for it's age

Include Live for Speed on next chart!

Is WRC10 really more of a simulator than Dirt 2.0? :o

good vid...i think you forgot Forza horizon 4 on your chart haha..i think it would be somewhere by wreckfest or so.....cheers mate.

I have all WRC games and 10 is the Best

can you rating .. LFS (2003) Midtown Madness (1999)

love these as always, i would like to see beamng predecessor here, Rigs of Rods, its free and open source it would be interesting if you take a look

Whats up Viper? Game suggestion Live For Speed

Live For Speed?

Still waiting on Live for Speed...

Would you like try some Roblox games? Yeah i know its just some Lego and kid game but there a game named "Project Trackday" this game can use controler or even steering wheel (idk about the FBB) compare to other racing game.

Can u do graphics from need for speed world?

Carmageddon series when?!?!

imagine if there was only 1 wrc game and it got graphical improvements and content like iracing

why the video is always in 360p on the first hours?

next is PGR series?

I buy fifa every year only for one reason, transfers updates...if they update(summer) transfer there would be no reason to buy it as it is the same game since fifa 17 and frostbite engine introduction.

Le Ray tracing est si réaliste qu'on se rend pas compte des différences télement que c'est naturel

irc 10 looks like its from 2010 and why is your wheel calibrated so weirdly

You should try wreckfest with a wheel, its ffb would certainly surprise you, i woul put it closer to dirt rally whan you might think, much better sensation than any gran turismo

Can you review F1 challenge VB?

Nobody with LFS

360p, will wait a bit for HD

Test the Richard Burns Rally on the hungarian plugin , is amazing !!