Viral Video compares Healthcare in UK and China - Let's chat about it with Jerry and Luke 

Jerry, health is wealth. You need to look after yourself because many people look forward to your clips 😂❤❤

Jerry, glad to get a good update on your health. Must've been a bit scary for you to go through. Look forward to what you have to share soon 👍

Hi Jerry, Fernando and Luke Good to see all of you and thank you for speaking your minds, opinions and experiences! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

great to see you back in one piece, please take good care of yourself and your family PEACE

Yes, with good governance centered around the well fare of the people, socialism works to level the playing field to lift all boats with the tide. Thank you Jerry.

Wish Jerry speedy recovery! Take care.👌👍🙏

The great, late John Pilger's documentary "The Dirty War On The NHS" is an eye opener to the problems the British Health Care system faces with bureaucracy. This great documentary is free for all on You Tube 👍🏿

Sorry to hear about your dvt. I got mine 25+years ago after a motorbike accident and being laid up in hospital. Been living with it since. Hope you recover. Take care. BTW.. Love watching your channel. Wish I could live in China....motherland.

China is making MRI machines at cost of 20 - 30% only , when compared with imported machines . This is why that MRI machines are widely available even in small hospitals now in China . This may rise another " Overcapacity " compliant from Yellen !

Take good care Jerry! Speed recovery and have a fab holiday.

I have been waiting to see a neurosurgeon since 26/09/23 to look at my back, this is through the public system here in Australia!

I'm glad you're alright! I had Luke's video suggested yesterday and I watched it, but I don't know Fernando, I'll check his channel out! I hope somebody links it in a comment, or I remember to look for it tomorrow.

Pray that you will have good health from now on Jerry. May God bless you with good health

When I was studying in the UK, the inefficiency of the NHS was a recurring topic in the news all the time, and that was 18 years ago!!!

Good to see you are up and about, Jerry, Same goes with the Luke and Fernando. I think for the soreness tablets, you can ask the doctor whether you really need it. What I means is take it as and when needed. Some drugs do not need to finish off the course given. As for the Chinese healthcare system, it is really good, in terms of speed, waiting time (trying to minimising as much as possible) in correlation with the population against the number of doctors/medical officers in a hospital or a total population of doctors/medical officers in a city/town. The consultation (before and after tests), tests needed, results/outcome from the tests done, and prescription for medication. USA.... from what I understand from my ex-colleagues, it is getting worse, and costs is also going up. Insurance seems to be like a scam. China - I think there are monitoring and controls in terms of the service and costs. Henceforth, the general public of China is very happy with the overall situation, including healthcare service

I was in UK and I admired the NHS. I feel sad that NHS is not as it was in the 90's. Do hope that the UK could bring back the NHS to its splendour.

Thank you to all three of you for your insights and information! I was privileged to grow up in a Germany when I felt well taken care of by the health system. I was shocked to experience the difference when I moved to Canada in the early 90’s and even more shocked to have experienced the changes for the worse. I am glad I now have at least one of my children live in China and know that she will have better choices if necessary.

Hello Jerry oh so shocked to just hear now on this channel podcast that you had a health issue. Take care and keep safe and healthy. ❤❤❤❤

Nice to have you back champ. Glad you are recovering and making time for more living life.

Glad to hear you're better, Jerry. Hearing warfarin makes me a bit queasy because the change of medicine to warfarin caused my mother to have a stroke and she can't string words together nowadays. Take care. And good to see Luke here. I was just watching his video the other day. I remember the days when you could see your GP within one hour and without an appointment. Nowadays you have to make an appointment early in the morning and you might have to wait several days. And I agree with you about taking western or Chinese medicine depending on the situation. When Chinese medicine works, it really works (speaking from experience when no western medicine worked).

Hey Jerry, didn't know that you had a condition and I am glad to see that you have recovered. Apart from a good healthcare system, a helpful and caring wife is equally important. :)

Phew Jerry, so glad you are well and good and they really looked after you. Knew you were a driven person, had no idea you worked soooo hard though, 10/15 hours a day? you put a lot of us in shame 😅 do take it easy now, you want to enjjjjjjjjoy China. Best best regards. 💝

Jerry hope you make full recovery soon and enjoy your time in Sri Lanka ! When I was living in UK, I worked and paid tax and National Insurance every month for 10 years but never been to Hospital till a month before I left, I need to see a GP for the infection in my chest, I have to wait for a week to be able to see a GP and another two months for CT scan which the situation could get a lot worse , so I gave up and left the treatment till we came back to China, everything done in a DAY !

Great discussions. Thanks for sharing.

Oh Jerry, I was shocked to learn that you got three life-threatening blood clots in your calf last week. You were lucky to get the treatment promptly. Wish you a full recovery soon. Meanwhile, take good care of yourself. Perhaps you should think about a full body check sometime especially on the heart.

Oh Jerry, I had the same problem, I'm still on blood thinners too, and yes is twice a day, I hope you get better soon

Jerry, I have such a healthy envy for the place you are, living in Liverpool you have to feel it

I was wondering about your absence, glad to know you are ok. Healthcare in China improved by leaps & bounds compared to 13-14 yrs ago. In Malaysia, to do a full blood test and consultation, it takes about 2.5 hrs in private hospital. Blood test results take about an hour. Wait time to take blood around 10-15 mins depending on the number of people. Waiting time for consultation about slightly over an hour and consultation with doctor probably 10 mins. Thus in total about 2hrs 15-30 mins. In government clinics, probably 3 hrs. For minor test like blood or ecg, there isnt a need to go to govt hospitals, unless there is no govt clinic nearby. For bigger tests or more serious problems, the clinic will refer you to the govt hospital and the waiting period about 4-6 weeks. Once your are in hospital, should you be required to take more tests, you may have to wait another 4-6 weeks but they will take whatever tests possible on that day. However, if you are in critical condition, then you will be sent to emergency. Govt hospitals here relatively cheap. Govt clinic used to be only RM1 (USD 25-30 cents) for whatever including medicine but i do not know how much it is now since the last time i went to a clinic was like 6-7 yrs ago. Medicine in govt hospitals used to cost about RM5 only (USD1.30). Hows that for cheap?? 😊 My only complain was waiting time too long, in Malaysia about 3 hours and in China probably 4 hrs (13 yrs ago). Having said this, after i discovered that it is worse in the US & UK in terms of waiting time & costs, I guess I cant complain. I understand that in the US, an ambulance cost USD1,000. In Msia costs about RM300 for normal ambulance and RM350 for Covid infected patient (Xchange rate today USD1 : 4.2 - used to be 4.7). Just fyi, when the federal govt requested for 3rd vaccine for Covid, the govt offerred Pfizer and guess what, overwhelming majority didnt want to take it but when the State govt gave Sinovac, it was packed lol. I know because i went for the 3rd shot at clinics and it was virtually empty, thus i cancelled. We have an apps system where if you cancel, you will be given another date and location. In total i cancelled 4 times because in all the 4 times, the clinic was empty and the nurse told me, its because it was Pfizer. Finally, the State govt offerred Sinovac and everyone i know, went for it and it was packed. So despite all the propaganda by Pfizer to smear Sinovac, the fact of the matter was Pfizer did cause complications especially for people above 50 yrs old. Overall, I would say Msia did quite a good job and i was kind of glad i wasnt back in China then 😅.

Take care of yourself ❤

Excellent. 100 pc correct on Australia's medical future. I live in Thailand for 14 years.

Jerry-wishing you a speedy recovery! 🙏💪

Don’t worry, you see patients here in Aussie standing outside, with drips etc, having a cigarette! Even in the rain??? Would be funny if it was a comedy script

Good to know you are getting better Jerry and hope you don't have any further problems. Medical care here in China is way better than in England. Don't have to wait for weeks or months to get diagnosed or operated on. I would like to get health insurance but my age prevents that. Western insurance companies charge a lot for cover. I do have over 400,000 RMB in the bank which I don't need to touch as I live on my U.K government and Air Force pensions. My wife will be getting her pension soon and she can also use her health insurance to pay for some of my treatment. I have been in hospital 3 times since 2015.The first time I was admitted immediately and operated on within the hour even though it wasn't a serious medical problem. Spent 5 days in there and it cost me 5,000 RMB. Second time in 2018 was for a hernia operation. An hernia which caused a cricket ball sized lump in my groin. Went to the hospital nearby and was admitted straight away. Had tests over the weekend and the operation on the Monday. The surgeon spoke good English as did some of the doctors and nurses. Spent 7 days in the ward after the operation but could walk about and go outside. Cost me 17,000 Rmb but the school's insurance repaid me 15K. Third time was this year when I fell and fractured my shoulder. Admitted immediately but did not need an operation. Stayed for 4 nights and had loads of X-Rays and MRI scans with the total cost, including medicine, coming to 2,000 RMB. Needed to wear a sling for three months. The only gripe I have is the little additions they like to use such as incense and hot bandages. I refused them as I thought they were pointless and just money grabbing items. One thing about U.K hospitals is that they provide food whereas here your relative has to bring it in.

Nice chatting to you guys!!

It's a relief to know you're doing well, Jerry. The news of your thrombosis was quite alarming. Regarding China's healthcare, have you produced a video on that topic? How does it function? I live in New Zealand, where the healthcare system is publicly funded by the government. However, it's perpetually in a state of crisis due to absurdly long wait times at emergency rooms, and procedures are often delayed for weeks, months, or in extreme cases, years. Additionally, there's a constant shortage of nurses, doctors, and bed space. It seems to be an ongoing crisis every election cycle. So, how does it compare to China? As a socialist country, does China have a fully subsidized healthcare system?

"Motion is Lotion" - I have done a lot of research on line, and I found out the common denominator for people around the world living a long life is: Stay active, taking walkings to increase blood Circulation!

years ago a lot of people go to Thailand, Turkey for Hospitals and Dentists ‼️

In the UK and the US people often die while waiting to receive treatment for their cancer or heart problems, that is how long people have to wait to receive treatments for their illnesses in the west! If you factor in the fact that the costs of medical treatments in the US is something like 56 times more expensive than China it is absolutely criminal for a system that is that ineffective could still be so expensive!

Thanks!

I saw Luke's video earlier this week, and just watched this one. I am well acquainted with Jerry as we both have mutual early backgrounds, but I do not think he is aware that I am a Life Member of the Royal Society of Medicine in the UK and Canada. Two years ago I had the same sort of problem with my leg, but with the Great Saphenous Vein partially collapsing and multiple Emboli. I knew what to do, and it was pointless waiting to see a GP or the NHS. Ultra Sound scan and one Heparin Injection in a Private Hospital. Then Chinese Massage and Acupuncture for 6 months to get rid of the clots.

I am really glad to know that you are on the way to full recovery. I am guessing that you had a DVT (Deep Venous Thrombosis) because had the clots been in your arteries, this would have led to lower limb Gangrene. DVT IS LIFE THREATENING if the clots get detached and then the next stop is the heart, then the lungs and back to the heart before being pumped to other parts of the body, including the brain. Think of it as a plumbing system with a pump and tubing of varying bore dimensions and varying pressure. The hospital was right in their advice that a DVT is life threatening. Without treatment, the clots could have got bigger and cause an even more serious Pulmonary Embolus. You had a very lucky escape Jerry. Please take very good care of yourself. You will need to stay on anti coagulants for a while but watch out for bruising which could indicate abnormally slow clotting that could be dangerous. You already are aware of need to avoid staying still too long but did not mention increasing fluid intake especially if you will be sweating a lot during hot weather and when cycling Finally, as a fairly heavy user of the UK NHS, I cannot complain too much about my personal care and treatment. Indeed, appointments are sometimes difficult to make and 'gatekeepers' often are very difficult to get round or through. Most reorganistions seem to result in increasing profit based Health Care providers but we still have a system that is more or less Free at point of use 🙏🙏💪

Jerry could have gone bankrupt for staying that many days in hospital without insurance in the U.S. Basically it’s an emergency admission. OMG.

I still remember some of my colleagues who have relatives in China complaining about their relatives having difficulty seeing a doctor some 15 or so years ago and then some years later, they no longer complained. And in the last few years while I travelled to HK to work, I notice more and more HK people actually went over the border for cheaper and faster medical service. I think the for profit motivation that Jerry mentioned and I would also add the wanton unchecked speculation on anything and everything are the wrong models to deliver essential livelihood services. Meantime, take some rest and get well soon, Jerry.

Traditional Chinese medicine or TCM is better for chronic ailments while western orthodox medicine is the preferred treatment for acute illness n injuries. The best long term solution for thrombosis n blocked veins of the entire body is the enzyme nattokinese which is available in capsule

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Jerry, I use an under desk exercise machine, an Elliptical Bike thing, to help prevent such issues. I wonder if that might be useful for you.

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Don’t give up on NHS! It can be worse than that, like ones in US.

During my time in the PRC. Late one night I took one of my co-wokers to the hospital forCO poisoning. The hospital would not admitt her until I paid the bill first.

Get onto Vit c and vit D

How does the Social Security wotk if a persons Hukou is from different region?

Scary to think you had serious DVT from all that sitting while doing work. Take care of yourself. What would we do without “Jerry’s take…”.

@15:00 - you are not using the leg muscles when standing still - the veins use working muscles to get the bloods back to the heart - a vein might erupt like this if standing still for too long ( for people with vein issue ) ... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z1S9w9T4NdE.html&si=TP_U04Hxz-f_ejoy

Jerry????? 100 km in less than an hour ????

In the main, Chinese hospitals are disgustingly dirty with poorly trained personnel. However, Beijing Family United Hospital is a fantastic private hospital.

No wonder my mother who lived in the paradise of Hawaii told me, in her seventies (some 20 years ago), that she was considering moving to China to live. She originated from HK and lived in Hawaii since she retired at 47 years of age. She had US citizenship and paid a small fortune in medical insurance but mainly used TCM anyway. She renewed her HK citizenship quite a while back so that she could travel to HK and China regularly. She has left this mortal earth 15 years ago, and I’m sure that with the advances in China since then, she would not hesitate to made the move now….just wrong timing overlap with her lifespan😏🥹