Forgot to mention, hospital fees for blood test + MRI cost about $60 usd. In the UK its “free”, but you lose time. My step dad is self employed so he’d lose money from not working. So it’s not necessarily free.. International hospitals in China would probably be double this fee, best to go to public ones!
Ontario, Canada: Typical Hospital car parking costs $5/30 minutes, maximum $30/day (no in/out privileges) Car parking cost not refunded by hospital, like NHS in UK
I was misdiagnosed in my country and has to ensure six months of chronic pain (I couldn’t be put on long-term pain medication, so four months wet pain medication free) before they finally did an MRI scan. The weirdest thing was it started with pain in my neck, then I was booked in for physio therapy which resulted in the pain shifting to my face and head. Turned out has an infection in the bones and soft tissues in my face. Anyway I was able to get that sorted after it was confirmed by MRI. A correct diagnosis is the most important step in healing. Wishing your stepdad a quick healing and recovery.
@JohnThomas-x7q 0 seconds ago No, there is an alternative to surgery. A chiropractor should be able to help Stuart. Just show the chiropractor the MRI / X-ray. Dealing with the central nervous system and the spine is their specialty. I used to have lower back injury that affected my movements too. If I am not mistaken, they also affected the Coccyx L4 and L5 vertebrae with the consequence that I was not able to properly lift my left foot when I was walking ..... I had to drag my left foot. A chiropractor helped to fix that up and I haven't had any serious problem ever since. At least check with a chiropractor before opting for that surgery. Good luck !
Let me tell my story, I am an American living in China. We were back in the States this past March. A few before our flight back to China I started feeling like crap and having a hard time breathing. Not having health insurance in the States I just waited until we got back to China. By the time we got back I wasn't doing very well, like wheelchair in the airports, went to a public hospital when we got back, got to see a doctor after about 30 minute wait. He took one look at me and he immediately got me a bed in the Critical Care Respiratory wing. I was in my hospital bed on oxygen in 30 minutes. Immediate blood test and Cat Scan of my chest. Within an hour and a half they knew exactly what was going on with me. Pneumonia and upper respiratory infection. Within two hours I was on I-V with the special mixture of antibiotics. Within 3 - 4 days I was up walking around. I spent a total of 9 DAYS in the hospital, I had multiple Cat Scans, multiple blood tests and MRI's, every organ check then double checked. Best medical care I have ever had in my life. We paid the bill on the way out, equivalent to $1,100.00 USD. Blew my mind, 9 days in US hospital with all those tests probably $500,000.00 USD. In US most likely give me a few antibiotics and kick my ass out the door.
@@wonderwalls3565 Dear friend not joking, I have seen US citizen go to the emergency room in the US and get shots for rabies, bill over 200,000 usd. One MRI $6-8,000.00 USD
@@firstlast-pt5pp yes agree, hospital care in the US, the staff just don't give a crap. I have been to the hospital a number of times here in China, hell I have lived here 15 years. I can see a top notch Dr., an expert, an cost me a whole $5.00 USD. Cat Scans, MRI's for just a few dollars, then immediate results.
When my wife had a severe headache in China we went to emergency. Within one evening, she saw the GP, had a CT scan, saw the specialist and got the results.
My mom got heart attack in a small city in China, the doctor went back to hospital at midnight just for the surgery of my mom , and everything was super smooth, after finished surgery, almost 4am ,I am so grateful
03:07 -- top right-hand corner, "United Imaging". That's an America MRI machine, in China, examining Chinese patients affordably. While in America, American patients are facing long queues to get proper healthcare. *It's a crying shame*
I have been working in China now for 17 years, and of course have the medical insurance you must have if you are working. I had two major medical procedures so far. 2 Stents and 1 major hemroid surgerys. Both where done perfectly and with no side effects, both involved me also staying a minimum of 1 week in a private room in the hospital. Both together involved only a cop payment of 200 usd. Both where done within 1 week of first visiting the hospital, mostly because I use Aspirin and they did not want to do surgeries with blood thinners in my system. It was awesome. Now I understand that due to me being a westerner I may have received a little more attention then others, but even with this I can say its awesome healthcare.
Amazing You people sit in your countries HATING and looking down on others... ONLY to find out THEY'RE Way ahead of you. Not robbing you, Not need to treat you like Animals... Will you all look into Yourselves and start Treating others with respect
China last year announced that it has started production of domestic MRI machines. This will further bring down the cost of treatment and make high quality medical care available to more people.
Never be afraid of treatment in China. I live in Guangzhou. I have stage 4 cancer and my Chinese doctors put me on targeted inhibitors. I live a relatively normal life. Each visit to the doctor costs me $1.50.
@@phildefer2342 Sure. Targeted inhibitor therapy is new medication that targets the source of the cancer if cancer has an underlying reason. For example I have a mutated V600BRAF gene which causes the quick replication of cells, which could lead to cancer wherever cells are being replicated too quickly. In this instance there is targeted inhibitor therapy for the V600BTAF mutation. The medicine nullifies the mutation and controls and even reduces the cancer caused by the mutation. No chemo- or radio-therapy needed. Unfortunately, it is very expensive ($3000 a month), and targeted inhibitors have not been developed for all types of cancer. I would suggest that you ask your oncologist if targeted inhibitors are available for your type of cancer. Good luck!!❤️
@@timmyjiang4692 A consultation is $1.50...my targeted therapy is patented and publicly available...that's not so cheap. U pay $3000 a month for the meds...
A 28-year-old student nurse, Zoe Bell, died of sepsis after waiting for approximately 12 hours in the Accident and Emergency (A&E) department at her own hospital, Stoke Mandeville Hospital, on Christmas Eve, 2022. According to reports, Zoe had been working long shifts over the weekend to help finance her studies and felt “run down” afterwards. She presented to A&E with severe chest pains and coughed up blood, but despite being checked by nurses and receiving some medical attention, her condition continued to deteriorate. Doctors triaged her dismissed her case as laryngitis when she was coughing up blood. That's UK NHS for you.
I’m so glad they got to the bottom of the problem in the hospital in Shanghai. I also hope your step dad gets the treatment he needs in a timely way. Perhaps your family can consider having him extend his trip to have surgery over in Shanghai if appropriate. All the best Luke. Keep telling it as things really are in China. You’re doing all of us a service by providing a balanced “on the ground” view.
I have seen New Zealanders come to China for dental treatments. They said the treatments were very efficient, and prizes also bargain. Therefore, perhaps China may develop medical health treatment businesses.
Pretty sure medical "tourism" is already a thing in China. Probably not as big as the business is in Thailand or Malaysia though (perception matters a lot still in patients seeking medical care and you know how smeared China is overseas)
not something you want to advertise about, don't want americans flying over to china for cheap medical services and taking up resources for ppl who actually live in china
Nah... The efficiency of Chinese hospitals can probably easily digest these American patients. All tests are done in a day or so. American system is totally totally broken. And you have a bunch of idiots running the healthcare system who can't even figure out how to handle 2 diff strength of medications (ye in my case). Broken system, way worse dumber labor. It's unimaginable
Yeah, for real. When China starts curing diabetes, cancer, etc, they shouldn't advertise it to the world, otherwise you will have tons of people trying to get treatment there. It will clogged up the system.
@@fridericusrex9812 Yes. Ever been to Taiwan 🇹🇼? Nothing like what you see in media. Except it has free wifi in Taipei. Apart from that all the infrastructures are in shambles sa most of the manufacturing has moved to China and Vietnam.
@@wl82 No it's not. But it's occupied by rebels. China does not want to shed blood unnecessarily so it is waiting for the people to see sense. Just like Hong Kong which China could have taken long before 1996, but waited patiently for UK to see sense.
The procedure for treatment is called Vertebroplasty. It should not be expensive in China even out of pocket. Recovery time is very short also. So if your stepdad finds wait time in UK is too long, I recommend scheduling the procedure in China. You can also check Hainan, they are trying to set up the island for medical tourism.
@@livinlavidaluke Aboust 5k USD for the whole hospitalization. Here in the US it would be 50k just for the procedure, more for post op care and hospitalization. I suggest calling the doc your dad saw and ask him about surgical referral and cost. Since he already saw him and they have the MRI. Your dad wouldn't waste any time on the second trip.
@@livinlavidaluke Yes, I agree and more importantly, the PAIN relief! It must be terrible for anyone and his family (let alone an elderly) to live with this chronic pain 24/7 and the negative impact on the quality of life cannot be overstated too. Good luck for your family's search for an effective treatment!
@@livinlavidaluke $2000-$4000 depends on the condition, the advantage of having surgery in China is that the doctors are very skilled, they perform dozens of such operations a week.
UK is allowing uncontrolled immigration, overloading the hospitals. China have tightly controlled borders, and put China first. If you voted Labour, you got what you voted for.
Yes, for many years my local GP surgery had 8-9 doctors registered there but only 2 or so would actually be at work each day. They claim to open 5½ days a week, yet you need to call at 8am exactly on the dot, any minute less and you will be told there are no more doctor's appointment for that day. The appointment are almost always in the morning. If you get an appointment in the afternoon, there are very few people in the waiting room like doctors don't seem to work in the afternoon. Also nobody ever gets seen on Saturday morning and of course never on Sunday. Many of the senior doctors never ever turned up for work leaving only young inexperienced doctors to see patients in the morning. I was there a lot back then because my children were young at the nursery which was a hotbed of illnesses and they often fell sick.
@@rinzler9775 No, you need to remember that China has a population of 1.4 billion. Equivalent to the entire population of Europe and the United States. The illegal immigration you face is only equivalent to inter-provincial medical treatment in China. The more developed a province, the more people will seek medical treatment. And we don't have such a problem. Even the most crowded hospitals in China only require an appointment a day or two in advance. Except for organ transplant surgeries that require waiting for a donor, routine surgeries only require an appointment and can be performed quickly.
A wonderful programme telling a positive tale about PRC instead of the Sinophobic crud from MSM. You deserve to succeed. Hope things work out for your stepdad.
The problem with the health care in the us is everyone has to get a cut, and everyones "cut" asking price is too much. An MRI scan is 3000 no questions asked
My daughter studied in the uk and paid compulsory health insurance. When she caught a cold and was very unwell, what she received was just a glass of honey water from the school nurse and managed to sleep in the sick room and that's all. When we asked for medicines, the nurse came back that medicines were controlled in the country..
Herniated disc or disc bulges are common degenerative problems. Your stepfather can take physical therapy first, and take medicines or injections for inflammation before doing a surgery. That's how I manage my cervical herniated discs, and more and more, I feel like I may not need a survey. I'll see what my next MRI report says. Good luck!
It's a pity that your stepdad could not stay in China long enough for the surgery. But as far as I know, foreigners are eligible to seek treatment and get the surgery done if they apply to the relevant government departments of China for medical visas. I am not 100% sure but you can check it up.
Dude, if your parents are still in China then you might want to try find a good and reputable traditional Chinese doctor to do acupuncture, tui na, moxibustion etc. My herniated disc was so much worse than your stepdad's, based on what I could see on the MRI. I was also recommended surgery after physiotherapy didn't work. I didn't choose that option, In the end it was months and months of traditional Chinese medicine treatments that get me better
In the United States, you get to wait forever. Because insurance is not free. Any doctor visit will cost your life's savings. And even with insurance, you still have to wait and pay an outrageous copay.
NHS is NOT free service in the UK as more than 13.25% of salary are taken to pay the national insurance every month. On top of that, there r still 22% to 40% tax to pay
Well a larger part of my allergies were in my head… underwent hypnosis and psychological treatments and my allergies are down to 2-3 weeks each year from some 5 months… so please do not underestimate your mind and body… a phantom pain can be the result of years of ignored stress and a subsequent burnout … a cry to slow down…just saying
@@Ghredle at least they tell you what in your head that you need to get treatment not just say it all in your head without details. I been told by doctor like that after just do some basic blood pressure & heart beat. It my body of course i know there something wrong not like i love medicine or love doctors.
Totally different culture and attitude towards its people technology is available,and its used to benefit the people. Plus the Chinese population doesn't eat trash there entire life and then run to the doctor to fix them.
I have medical insurance in China, but I usually don't use it very much, because it's only 20-50 dollars to go to the hospital for common diseases, and I don't bother to apply for insurance compensation for these small money.
@@a9udn9u-vanced yes, legal foreigners with a visa, and criminal history check and MONEY. They must prove they won't be a burden on the Chinese people, and on fact,nbring financial value and if staying there, must work.
You should get a digital copy of the MRI results and take it back to the UK. At the very least you can see if there's any change if you get another in the UK
This summer I returned to China, and my father had a gallbladder surgery, he is 45 years old and was hospitalized for 15 days, including the surgery fee, hospital fee, and medication. In the end, it cost a total of 25,000 RMB. The government reimbursed 90%. My family paid 3,000 RMB. My father did not have commercial insurance, only basic national health insurance.
well, vets are usually more expensive than human doctors, even in hong Kong.. As we all know, our dogs and cats are way more valuable and in higher positions than us.
Is China going to disrupt Healthcare like it did with so many other areas ? We all hope so and it looks like they're making great progress . Humanity would so benefit if all these warring countries could cooperate to solve world issues like tough dieases conditions and climate change instead of antagonizing each other.
As a Shanghainese living in the UK, although I live in London, if I want to see a doctor, I have to wait at least three to four weeks for an appointment. Then, for something like a blood test, I have to schedule it two or three weeks in advance. Because of this, I almost avoid seeing a doctor in the UK. When I go back to China once a year, I get a full body check-up, get prescriptions, and see the dentist.
@@duoxingbuyibizibi5671I’m a Brit living in the UK but visit China at least once a year, was totally amazed when I went for a check up last time I was there, highly efficient and thorough service for a fraction of the cost.
With visa free entry, I would go there just to have medical checkups while getting a free vacation paid with left over money from the healthcare savings in the western countries.
Luke : The NHS are ABSOLUTELY ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT !!! Coz your ear (and anything to do with it) really is IN YOUR HEAD 😂😂😂 and your nose too 👻😂😂
from Canada, last week my family doctor office told me they have a booking for my MRI, it's booked for the March of next year at the earliest....it's more than 5 month wait, but also it's on the basis that I have to agree i would have the sugery if they found out anything from the scan...otherwise they can't book the MRI appointment
$10,000 added to US GDP COUNT. Health Service account to 17% OF US GDP. Easy to understand why there are so many poor people in so called rich countries with high gdp
@@cookiesareyum1043 You might be interested in this I was watching a documentary some westerner who had come back to the poorest village in China 1 year later As he walks in on a Poverty Alleviation Senior Social worker berating 5 or 6 Poverty Alleviation social workers because a deadline was fast approaching and they had a quotas to meet getting people in the village above a poverty line or they all including this Senior Social worker would get demoted/fired Where they for example had to make sure the villagers were signed up for some State healthcare plan where the State paid 95% of the bills Then this guys follows one social worker as he shows him the newly paved roads and new houses and the donated furnishings in a home Even with all that you could get a sense of fear and worry in this guy demeanour. As we find out he was some Government banking official who was demoted to this job And the only way you move back up is to meet your deadlines and quotas Is this a better system than we have in the west? Depends on if our Government is willing to build roads and houses for people with little expected return. And put peoples jobs on the line to get those results Type into a RU-vid Search “Revisiting China's poorest village”
In Australia, booking a simple procedure to remove endometrial polyps takes to wait 3 weeks up to a month…. I had the same procedure done in Shenzhen. It was done within a day( including ultrasound, blood test, red light therapy) The result was good.
Bro, go to multiple hospitals, try traditional (chinese medicine) hospital and bring your scan results, I feel like some accupunture and therapy could be enough. Also Try find a hospital that specializes (or most known for) bone-related issues. As a Chinese, we tend to get the same check up from multiple hospitals and then take advice. I do not recommend taking advice from only one doctor especially if he's recommending surgery first thing. Always good to get at least a second opinion. Thats what we locals do, ask locals which hospital is known for what department, get opinion from at least two specialists and try a traditional method. We do not recommend surgery unless absolutely necessary.
Go to a Chinese acupuncture doctor, he will stand up and walk right after the treatment, but you need another treatment after a few months. This is better than surgery that might take few months until he can sit. But make sure you get a good one.
Chinese Healthcare is the best in the World, EU and UK is nothing compared to that! Only North-Korean, Russian, Iran, Syrian, Venezuela healthcare can be compared to China's one!
瑞金 RuiJin is good hospital. In Shanghai all 三甲 hospitals are public, just like school, all Elite are public. Growup in China, I'm always critical about PRIVATE institutions😮
I had the same problem as you five years ago. I have bloating under my ribs on my right side which is very uncomfortable. I went to the best Western medicine hospital in China and checked everything. The doctor told me there was nothing wrong with me. But I was really, really uncomfortable. Later, I spent more than ten yuan to buy a bottle of Chinese patent medicine, and I felt better after taking it.
So would a UK hospital actually acknowledge the MRI result from China? Imagine going back, knowing exactly what it is but then having to wait another 6 weeks so you can have the exact same tests to validate what you already know.
hey mate. if it's a degenerative spine issue esp with the L4 L5 S1, you can try Osteos (or Chiro's, depending on where you are). Those may be quick (like, done in 5 mins), but when it's done every 2 to 3 days for 4 to 5 times consecutively, it can help your dad a LOT. There are chinese options too, but from what i know, the capable ones are in Beijing. But you can always Baidu and check out the reviews. To us bonesetting practitioners, it's nothing new and we do it all the time, AND we see results =) Hope this helps!
Glad to see relatives from the UK were paying you a visit and - although it was impossible to get treated given the situation - it has taken some weight off his mind. It can be very stressful when you feel something's wrong but unable to know what it is; at least now you have clarity.
MRI alone in the US costs an average $1000 without insurance, though it can range between $400 ~ $4000 situational. I've done it twice for lung scans and each time was $1800.
It may work for upper body discs but not the lower ones. I have a ruptured disc in my neck more than 20 years ago, I did not do the surgery. I'm doing fine.
last month, i went to the emergency for torn calf muscles. doctor referred me to get a regular ultrasound done. so I called to book an appointment. i was told the next available appointment is june of 2025 !!! so I went to a different emergency a few days later, told doctor next available appointment is june, 2025. took him 2 hours to call someone to get a special approval for me to get the ultrasound in a few days !!! love from canada.
my dad has this issue too, he's 65, he couldn't walk for long, sit for long, laying down for long, and he got worse, then he went to check with Chiropractor for around 9 months (one appointment per week) to get it fixed. of course it requires physical exercise (A Lot) with pain doing it at home.
my adult son had similar - three bulging disks and one hitting a nerve. no one was doing anything "psychosomatic backpain' .. he couldn't lie down or sit down or even walk distances, and was young so it was all in his head apparently. finally took him to a chiro, who took one visual of him, got him to do an xray, (I had him booked in for an ultra sound the next day), 'cracked him' on the first visit and told him to come back three times a week for two weeks, then it was twice a week for two weeks i think.. All up about twelve sessions and six weeks and he had full function again. we had been told bulging disks don't always show up on the scan, but my sons did. All three - and the one that was hitting a nerve. Either way its never been that bad again - and now he just goes back for maintenance once or twice a year. doctors had been trying to give him valium for the 'psychosomatic pain'.
I studied in the UK and enjoyed NHS once, it's not bad at all other than waiting for 2 hours, which is okay and acceptable. They also managed to call back to check up on me so I was really grateful for the NHS. Here in China, we also have a heavily gov subsidised health care system that allows many people to be able to receive care easily. Much like the transformation of the country, China's health care system also received tremendous improvement. I now don't feel the pressure for having to wait and can go easily.
@@Zerpentsa6598 it's really a pity they don't keep it in a good shape. Back then I remember there was a famous youtube video from the Brits appreciating the NHS against American when hearing how much it cost to have a baby in the States. Rather amusing reactions.
I have disc problems, too, they are degraded, and caused a (very) painful bunch of pinched nerves, L 2 L3 mzybe others, I believe. Went to a chiropractor trained in Pennsylvania, U.S. , a former pro basketball player (6 foot 8 inches) who got serious injuries, but got treated successfully with chiropractic. He treated me twice a day. With sometimes a day between. In the beginning I could not get out of bed without pain or patient help. Very painful. Could walk but with ferocious pain depending on the movement. Needed help getting around, including being wheeled to the bathroom in my office chair. By treatment 8 I am walking with a cane only ' just in case' I make a wrong move, but often, no cane is needed. Get in and out of bed pain free. No acetominephen needed. Can turn overduring sleep pain free and without help. I'm going for 4 more treatments, hopefully I will get even better. See if there is a decent Chiropractor in your area. It could help avoid surgery.
I got a long term lower degenerative space between the discs. Tried alot of stuff eventually found marine collagen does the job evertime!. WHen I 1st found it at age 40 it took 2 years to totally heal myself. Now soon as it starts up again with 2 or so weeks Im fixed again everytime****
