Vlog - Frackin' Universe thoughts and drama discussion 

The thing i noticed about FU, just from playing it casually, is... it adds a lot of filler to the early game. Just the starting world alone goes from something you can do in half an hour solo to an all-afternoon endeavor if youre not optimizing all the fun away. Partially because of research hardlocking literally the entire game behind time investment. Until my most recent playthrough, id just started using /admin through the first planet to get to something resembling meat. The late game stuff is cool, but they make that late game so much more of a slog to reach. Honestly it reminds me of some of the rimworld controversies around Vanilla Expanded in that regard, where a lot of the mods made by that team have one or two unrelated mechanics just, tacked on.

personally i like frackin' universe, though it does get incredibly annoying when sayter deliberately goes out of his way to make another mod incompatible, especially when it involves stuff like bloating code with junk files so they cant be used also Sutekh94, just wanna say even if you think bringing up the drama was bad i appreciate it bc i only knew half the stuff you mentioned, i didnt know about the sulfuric acid oceans that were removed or about a lot of the content being stolen, it's nice to know about a lot of the stuff that did happen (EDIT: changed starbound to Frackin' universe bc I typed the wrong thing)

I realized recently just how much FU took from other mods and I was quite disappointed. A lot of their armor was taken from the kirhos, mantizi, and peglaci mods, alongside the weapons. FU, in my opinion, is just a blob that absorbs mods to be repurposed and recolored.

A very good discussion of FU, and its stranglehold on the Starbound modding community as a whole. I have a love hate relationship with FU, for everything fun it adds it seems to have another unfun mechanic. Top that off with a horrible dev team and it leaves a mixed taste in my mouth. The Grind is annoying but the sheer amount of content it adds is fun to play. Regardless though good breakdown.

I should also add; the idea of the research system is "To encourage people to use more stuff at lower tiers", but, I find it does the opposite for me; it discourages me from playing on lower tier worlds and just presses me to rush to higher tiers so I can get research faster. It actually hurts my experience. It makes me rush to the end faster, which is the exact thing the research system is trying to discourage artificially.

When I first played frackin, research was just a currency you gained from extracting and I didn't really understand a lot of why people had a problem with it. Then I updated to the latest version... I think one of the biggest gripes I have about the new research system is that it takes away what I enjoyed about my first playthroughs of starbound vanilla and the pre-researching frackin; discovering things. With the exception of a few metaphysics tiers that are hidden until you research the lower ones, everything you can do and make is revealed to you as soon as you have your personal tricorder.

I'll put it into three words: *It's grind time!*

I would second Arcana. Very cool mod and chill devs

I've only ever heard of FU in steam comments or occasionally seen it pop up, and after this video, I don't think ill install it. It just doesn't sound like any fun I want to spend my gaming time actually gaming and the heavy grinding AND research just really aren't for me.

I think I quit using FU some time around when the research system was implemented, but amusingly the last straw for me was not that. It was the new water physics that were implemented that made moving in liquids incredibly sluggish. This was a problem because I spend about 99% of my time building on ocean planets. It was only afterwards that I started hearing about all the plagiarism and seeing the lovely attitude of Sayter.

I usually have a mod of some form to either accelerate the research process or simply choose to only use low end stuff forever.(You can see clearly which option i pick). Honestly, I may use the pixel to research. But FU's devs if they put anything in to disable said mods, I admit I'd probably uninstall frackin universe, and I'm sure many players would quit sooner or later. My big problem with the research system is, due to how you get more research from being on higher tier worlds, you end up basically being shoe-horned into only building on high tier worlds, and in many ways, its horribly balanced. You get 5-6 times the research on say an aether sea vs a tier 1 lush world. This is even worst when you consider each hour played you get 1 extra research, but then theres a bug in FU's research system where the bonuses for armor and some drugs don't even work. But in the name of "Balance" he won't adjust it for veterans who've played the starting mission multiple times or rather not spend 30 hours stuck on tier 3-4. This imbalance is worst for races; vanilla races still get the vanilla armors which, some of them give very good enviro bonuses, and oh yeah they ARE NOT LOCKED IN RESEARCH. So you can roll human and get an armor at tier 5 with +resistance vs everything but physical, or a floran and have burn immunity, or novakid with extra physical ect. Other FU specific races? Nope. So they are shoe-horned to need to spend even more research than the vanilla races. In fact, I'd argue Frackin Universe by itself on the whole is very, very poorly balanced. I found some weapons, with upgrades, to not only do tremendous damage but do so in multiple damage TYPES. Another weapon is OP and doubles as a hunting weapon. And I won't name which melee weapon is king but, its DPS is just absurd with maxed upgrades. Because the devs basically try to make you play only a very narrow spectrum of ways. Sayter himself even admits for example he doesn't even build anything, he just puts all his stations in a cave and then runs around the universe randomly. He doesn't build anything fancy. So he has no way to relate to how builders who may, say, want to build on a forest or desert, or FU's fungal planet ect. Or someone who wants to use the ship as a mobile base(though don't use it as a factory, bad idea you can crash your game). So his research system will never get fixed for those kinds of players, since "Your not supposed to make your ship into a base!" or stick with one very well built base/colony. Well, sayter, how do YOU think I am supposed to play, your only, one way to play? Not build anything cool, ever? Your research system seems to think I shouldn't. And the sad thing is even people who play FU often admit they DON'T like Sayter because of his bad design decisions. They love the mod, hate the creator. This is coming from someone who's played FU for over 1000+ hours. If you read this Sayter: think about those who like building elaborate buildings, and think about what its like to only have 1-2 hours in a single day at most. Heres a challenge for you; no playing the game more than 2 hours streight. If you hit 2, quit for the rest of the day. Oh yeah, no bases allowed on higher than tier 3 worlds. See how long it takes you to get to tier 6 before your bored to tears.

I solved research problem by throwing money at it. That is - installed a mod that let's me buy research.

The strange sea mods have been working fine for a long, long time, I don't expect FU developers to patch them anytime soon because it's been over a year and I've never seen problems with them. The grindiest part of FU has always been liquids for me. It's a hassle to make liquid protocite out of your ores, the same with irradium. If you remove that part of the gameplay, replace it with endless oceans of liquid protocite, liquid irradium, mercury, and a whole bunch of other liquids, it decreases the amount of grind significantly. Essentia Obscura is the most profitable liquid, as you can sell tons of plutonium with it, given you have the gas centrifuges to do it. Some may find it unbalanced, but I personally enjoy to bookmark these locations for later use.

You want a fun mod to look into, I had a lot of fun with Extended Story. Howevs, some of the weapons would be best suited with a little bit of invulnerability (Gyrusen has you covered) due to how destructive they are... but hoo boy is it fun!

If you talk to sayter you know instantly its all true

Im having a lot of fun with FU in 2024. One thing i noticed is that your commentary on how you idle to get research. If your doing this then youll get drastically less research, your supposed to get out and exolore, do stuff, fight , travel around, do some mining. Youll get tons of research. I got literally 0 research after being idle for over 30mins.

You know, the way you pronounced "controversies" sounds like a different word and was confused until I turned on the subtitles. It did bother me a bit but that's very minor, suppose it's an alternative pronunciations I'm unfamiliar with. I do have a love/hate relationship with Frackin', as I've spent over 2k hours on that game. Like the sprite work for that mod is quite inconsistent, often clashing with Starbound's style.

Just bought starbound for $5. Pretty insane game and modding scene. Interesting

Just gonna say it, probably a bad idea. Seriously there is drama around a fan made mod for a video game?? This is what we have come to? 🙄

Honestly, in terms of FU's Research system, I never really had much of an issue with it? I never found myself struggling with not having enough Research ((the currency)) to obtain new recipes, and obtaining other items needed for Researching is a bit more interesting Madness is a bit more of a grind tbh, considering it can't be accumulated by just... playing the game like you can with Research Sure the modpack is really... really grindy, but like idk, I still find it more fun than Vanilla, particularly cause there's more to do as well ((i.e the modded dungeons and the various planet types)) and it does a lot of things that I WISH Vanilla did

Paying attention to drama around a mod and mentioning it is ridiculous. Who tf cares what the dev says and does. That has nothing to do with the mod

based sayter wtf downloading FU RN

5 minutes in and you started with "i wanna do a full summery of frakin universe i dont wanna focus too hard on the drama and ignite old hate" "5 min later i havent spoken about the game and the viewer that came here for thoughts on frakin universe has heard NOTHING but your reignited hate" Make sense dude make fukken sense