Vocal Coach Reaction to YOASOBI Ikura Racing Into The Night (Yoru ni Kakeru) / THE HOME TAKE「夜に駆ける」 

可以請老師講解ado的歌嗎🙏

可以請老師react 另一位日本男歌手yuuri - betelgeuse 嗎 🙏拜託

​@@victor95783推推 這首超厲害

@@victor95783 推yuuri 真的很鬼 ~

期待

沒有修 他本來就是這樣機械音 所以他剛出節目時候分兩派 一個喜歡他唱的 一個覺得他機械聲聽不習慣不喜歡 你可以多看看她出的節目 歌唱比賽

我個人是認為基本上沒修(頂多只有修一點點瑕疵處)。基本上ikura這是仗著年輕嗓子好才辦得到。對照的是最近跟ano合唱兩首歌上TFT，一首ano修很大(絶絶絶絶対聖域)一首ano修很少都鴨子音(青春謳歌)，但是ikura有沒有修都一樣。

Exactly, besides that she isn't using auto tuned tech in this.

This only applies to "tonal" Asian languages, which Japanese is not, according to the article "Tone Language Is Key To Perfect Pitch". She's also done a vid on one of Yasobi's live performances and you can defnitely tell Ikura's not pitch perfect.

@@Shinobitate exactly. it's First Take. it's raw

真的 超同意你說的

从一开始听到现在，ikura真的无愧人型初音的称号，一如既往爱他

這位老師不懂日文，所以其實不知道ikura為甚麼這樣詮釋。這是一首涉及【跳樓自殺】的小說的歌，所以ikura唱得很拘謹，只有在歌詞之間的[啊~~]才會用比較多聲樂顫音之類。8:00 轉調，是前一句歌詞講[其實這句話(想要去死)也是我想說的啊]，然後就整個強制降key。到 8:19 主角下定決心一起死，所以又再強制轉調升key，整個唱開來。如果了解歌詞是會有恐怖感的。

Everything is so edited...

我也覺得優里的那場TFT很厲害！

@@wutnever1108 真的很神

+1

first take版的感覺甚至比原版好聽 真的很誇張

LiSA

Ado一定要推的！

大推

真的一定要推！

順便強調一下 這是在唱了24首歌之後唱的😍😍

這部片子，老師95%時間是真的帶著微笑在欣賞的❤❤覺得也很開心

1st take is live recording, and with a recording you can do anything with it. Same stance with the host, Ikura is a legend, but that doesn’t mean we should not be better educated in how the music industry works. A live recording is , well , a recording. A live “audience” is the only way to be auto tune software free. But that is exactly why they use backtrack in live stages, have you ever wonder why no one uses backtrack in recordings.

Stfu :)) Its edited somewhere

After she pointing out, it is very obvious for me to hear the auto-tune. Especially when you listen in 2.0x speed, becoming a robot voice May be they have different standard in (home-take)?

@@ABYSSXEL3314 hey, its quite an old comment but i do want to maybe bring it up, she did the same song on instagram live(you gotta find it, but there's only one) and it sounds exactly as what we're hearing here, so i still quite strongly believe this is real

@@_irwinlaw I don't understand why you saying these to me, I am not saying anything about "fake" or "real". As mentioned in the video here, I am saying the highest note of the song is being "edited" which is aka "auto-tune". And I dont understand why this song is on instagram can prove it is "real", what is the logic here can u elaborate

@@ABYSSXEL3314 no no I didn't mean that because it was on instagram its real. What I was trying to say was that it was on instagram live, and I don't believe you can do the auto tunes on the actual instagram live streams if you get what im saying

@@_irwinlaw well, then obviouly you are not getting the main point here, Vocal Coach and I just pointing out solely about this video of “home-take” has auto-tune, and nothing more. Of course I know Ikura can sing all these notes perfectly I have hear all different lives of her, I am a fan of her. Noone is challenging her ability or sing skills here, but that doesn’t change the fact that this home-take version being editted.

Vocaloid比較廣為人知的就是初音未來，是直接用機器合成的電子人聲唱歌，不是指人聲的處理。當然Vocaloid只是其中一種軟體，也有其他家電子人聲的軟體。

@@hasndsome 所以它是一種用來製造合成人聲的軟體？ 所以是我認知有誤呢！(我是真不懂這方面)。 謝謝分享您的專業。

@@cclin6225 就是軟體裡面有幾種音色可以選擇(各音色有自己的名字 像初音 鏡音等等)，你做完曲後可以用這個合成人聲去唱出來，要自己調整音高音色。詳細怎麼調整的我不懂沒摸過，不過每個人調出來的會不太一樣。另外因為這個完全是靠軟體編輯，所以是百分百精準的，前面的留言就是在表達有一部分的人偏好這種精準的合成人聲。再說，因為是寫給軟體唱的，所以編曲很容易有大跳音等等人類很難做到的樂句，而Yoasobi的作曲Ayase本身也是Vocaloid的作曲家，這也導致Yoasobi的歌很多跳躍的音符。

@@hasndsome 資訊量有點大，得好好的再多讀幾次，謝謝！

Hard to say about this one. Technically, this is not the first take, this is the home take. We don't know the difference between both procedures.

このおばちゃんは、最新の音楽事情はあまり知らないんだね。

After she pointing out, it is very obvious for me to hear the auto-tune. Especially when you listen in 2.0x speed, becoming a robot voice

このテイクが使ってるかは知らないが、今のオートチューンやメロダインはリアルタイムでもある程度ピッチ補正できるから、今の時代Liveだから全く補正が入って無いと言い切ることは出来ん。

學習到了❤

how is this emotionless or robotic?? do you not hear the emotion in here? especially in this version

@@siekensou77 this version is not, but the original one was. This version still carries part of the original tone tho

After she pointing out, it is very obvious for me to hear the auto-tune. Especially when you listen in 2.0x speed, becoming a robot voice May be they have different standard in (home-take)?

@@ABYSSXEL3314 I don't know. Maybe 1/3 instances she pointed it out does sound like there's some digital assistance. But I've seen ayase and ikura practice/composing their songs on some Jap youtube channels throughout the years and she does seem perfectly capable of hitting these high and fast transitions. The making of idol has one segment where she's practicing and Ayase is asking her to switch faster and higher and she pulls it off without issues. However I don't doubt there's some autotuning in their studio released songs.

Okya~

It's quite apparent, but not prevalent throughout the song. Auto-tune (pitch correction rather) wasn't designed for singers who can't sing, it is also used on instruments in recordings (e.g. guitar string bends that are less than perfect).

It's unedited but it's not "first", look at bloopers.

How about the group of "Mirror", they said their first take video have been tuned in an interview

絕對是有修音的…不用太相信節目的聲明

First take還是有修音的 而且應該不是只錄一次

@@user-uu6yz6sw9s 應該是有修音但只錄一次，之前有人試過忘詞

我也聽不出分別, 希望她可以講解多一點 我找了不同的LIVE 來對比 2:30 的部分聽起來也差不多一樣 其他LIVE 的片段 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RfBw4Ntrw-A.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_or-OkGkj4Y.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KozndIm4OsA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_ZtBv0hTm1w.html

@@whyHandleIsntAvailable 我本來也聽不出有沒有修，可是聽完這4個live，感覺那個修過的re好像比較高

@@whyHandleIsntAvailable 你好用心哦！感謝提供 live 連結 我在想是不是我用手機直接播出來比較無法聽到細節，有空再來戴耳機聽看看

其實正如老師說的，即使聽live我們也會覺得＂很相似＂，而這個＂很相似＂是對她這種聲樂專業的人而言 我們這種只是愛聽歌的人真的聽不出來也不奇怪 對於像調音師／歌手／vocal coach這類每天都在跟音色音高打交道的人而言， 真的只是那麼一丟丟的差別都能聽出來 之前看過調音師教修音的video，他指出要修的音，然後教怎麼修， 我自己重聽了好幾遍還是聽不出差別，但看程式顯示的音高和尾音，的確是有修改的😂😂 我也只能想，不愧是專業的😂

第一个真听不出来修过

There is nothing wrong with some tuning for the purpose of stylization.

Filming it all in one take doesn't mean there is no editing. It's quite common. We already saw that many times on The First Take.

When anything is mixed and mastered. There is editing. There are some tuning here for stylization purposes as you can easily tell if you work in the industry.

It’s the home take, not the first take

​​​​@@HKSinger'm no expert on autotunes or anything but I hear no difference between 2:30 and her live performances and even her ig live ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RfBw4Ntrw-A.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_or-OkGkj4Y.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KozndIm4OsA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_ZtBv0hTm1w.html Plus firstake have uploaded performances that have mistakes or out of tune

HomeTake版，她的高音不見得有修音。ikura的高音是蠻厲害的，低音才是她的弱點。比較可能修低音(像怪物)。

想說並不是，而且也不是真的只有one take的機會，不過這樣說，節目也沒說死是這樣，只是大家把事情完美化去想像罷了

還真天真呢

The first take 只是一次拍完 沒說過不修音

​@@_nagi7052 高質回覆

這個是the home take 看一下標題. 但是the first take 有沒有修我不敢回答你

@@htat7148 我後來上網找了一些資料 是確定有修的 真是有點失望了

@@wu4240 the first take只是一遍过，从来没有主打绝不修音，大概是你理解错了

你說得太好了 沒錯 歌唱技術還會牽扯到語言本身 像是老師一再提到比較大幅度的顫音，其實也是因為中文這語言更傾向這類型的顫音聽起來比較有感情以及聽覺上搭配這個語言會有比較好的聽感 但這對非母語教練來說實在太難了，語感這種東西很難被放在聲樂技術中來探討，所以更加呈現英文聽起來更容易放，中文聽起來更收，日文容易唱出節奏感，韓文則有更多哭腔與混聲技術使用

@@wu4240 感谢你们两位的讲解，这也是我一直“感觉”到但是总结不出来的，唱中英日韩歌曲时，我需要用不同的“方式”才能唱出比较符合预期的效果（不知道怎么说，发声或者送气咬字之类的吧）再加上可能个人嗓音条件问题，英文歌尤其是那种爆发力强力量感足的我是完全唱不出来，很多歌曲不是喜欢就能唱😭只能羡慕别人

耳機不夠好也會影響，去弄個監聽耳機再弄個好的音效卡 聽YT上的音樂 你會聽到很多瑕疵

@@jimmy90118不是都說YT聲音被壓縮 聽不出原音嗎？（我木耳沒感覺

現場pa 也可以做一點修音

沒做過幕後的都不會知道啦

他就說現場聽起來不會差太多了 只是事實就是有修的痕跡

聽不出來不代表沒有

IU 其實唱歌真的很一般，雖然她很努力，就是沒有天份

不知你说的不能作弊不公平是什么意思。老师觉得这首歌唱得没有问题，全视频她唯一不满意就是修音修多了。 这个老师的点评视频为了不带先入为主的观念，是完全不先了解任何背景的。 比如之前邓紫棋就被她批评唱法带太多鼻音，但其实邓紫棋的鼻音是自带的不是唱法问题。还有一开始点评周深的时候她也以为周深是夹尖声带模仿女声。