Have a meme template (from 1:50:07 ): cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572202622971543583/1079469737630761051/skai_meme_template.png Alyx's meme at the end is based off this: knowyourmeme.com/memes/stop-doing-math
2:04:36 a thought building on what Eric is saying: with what we know about avatars, it seems like autonomy only puts them where either a) she is unopposed by other shards (Taldain) b) the ruling shard is dead or indisposed (sel,scadrial) - seems like a shard making an avatar might be on a similar tier to smiting mortals in terms of it being an action that opens you up to other shards hurting you. My headcanon is that it has something to do with creating the planet itself, or humans on that planet yourself, something (I think) endowment did, who is the only confirmed shard to have smiting capability
I actually had Sazed as a possible guess between clue 4 and 5(the use of the word "sword" instead of blade was kinda suspicious and i though someone might try and pull that trick :) ) Regarding the smiting thing, doesnt Odium tell Taravangian that he would be able to smite people who broke their agreement without the usual consequences because they loose their protection? So that would be the Situation Hoid is in until the Champions Deal. That he is totally smiteable by Odium if Odium ever sees him
Kelsier enters a contract with Autonomy. Discord helps Kelsier write it up. Discord leaves it open for Kelsier to take over the shard of Autonomy with the instruction to continue to protect Scadrial. Kelsier's basic pitch... "Use me, the technology and the resources of Harmony and Scadrial.. to protect Scadrial from enemies foreign and domestic.. but you cannot come to the system, or send any avatar or any other person here. Oh.. and also.. you must never be able allowed to control me, my mind, or my words unless given temporary permission.
:O i guessed Sazed on first clue as Roshar felt too obvious, but i didn't think he fit the last clue (didn't think of kandra) and got well confused haha. Probably helps that i've been binging casts and had just watched one where you referred to Wax as the sword loooooots of times, serendipity ftw.
I wonder if the Grand Apparatus novel deals with the society that rises and falls in several seconds due to time dilation. Like could time dilation be the purpose of the Grand Apparatus?
I (physicist) have several theories about how gems, perfect gems, metals, impurities in them, lights and tones will interact in the future of the Cosmere. Especially after RoW, TLM and Brandon saying he will need a physics assesor/consultant in no much time. Should I make a Reddit thread? 🤔
for the last WTCC question i realised that sword was a wax misdirection between the 2nd and 3rd clue - when is a sword not a sword? when it's a dawnshot
On "is TV connected to Rayse?": Odium connects with (f***) Moash and states they are connected enough without needing the presence of the ever storm any longer. I don't believe there was a storm when the Toadium creation scene occurs, so I assumed they were connected? Also I don't think there was a storm when he dealt the deal with him either? Additionally, TV picked up the shard, which if I recall from secret history requires you to be in tune with the shard, thus why kel had to use the elantrian connection orb? Given that TV was a special interest Cultivation agent, which was a prohibitive factor for Kel/Preservation, due to Ruin "claiming him" as his own, that either means that Odium worked on him over the last 6 years of story to connect (similarly to Sazed and his depression attuning him to Ruin), or that from a cognitive element, Cultivation and Odium aren't so different that their agents can't have overlapping qualities that make them suitable shardic candidates. You could argue that due to the passionate/intelligence dichotomy, his connectional state probably regularly flipped? Perhaps on the mega intelligent day invention could have connected with him too? This can be further supported in OB, where Rayse tells him he would NEVER visit him on a day of intelligence, rather only when passionate and lacking in intelligence.
I mean, I upvoted you because that's an awesome comment. But actually thinking about translating hex-money in my head to base 10 makes me shudder. So while I loved your comment, I'm very glad it isn't the case. And sure, you might ask why I needed to translate the money in the first place, since it's not real. And I say BECAUSE!
*SPOILERS FOR WHO'S THAT COSMERE CHARACTER* I actually guessed Sazed immediately after the first clue of the final WTCC. The phrasing of "Uses an invested sword", particularly the word "uses" made me think of Wax and as the clues went on I felt more and more sure. This is one of the few WTCC I got right as well so having everyone else be stumped felt great!
Damn, I got stuck on the "uses" immediately too. But I thought of Demoux and the fight where he was "directed" by Kelsier who infused his sword. Could have also losely counter for 2. I wasn't sure if he had ever met Hoid. But he is also famous. Only when the last clue came it threw my guess off. Lesson: If you got your first answer, keep on looking for better answers. :D
My crazy new theory about the contest of cahmpions is this: Taravangian is his own champion and when he goes to smithe Dalinar , it turns out that Dalinar was born in Karbrandth
Specific effect of Honor's Splintering which we know causes some of the magic to act differently: Honor can no longer impose limits on the extent of a Bondsmith's powers. It has been stated multiple times by the Stormfather, and I think some of the other spren have talked about it. Essentially it makes me think that now Dalinar, Navanni, and Ishar can now bondsmith on the level that Ishar could leading up to the destruction of Ashen.
25:40 It makes perfect sense to me. A perfect gem has a flawless and perfectly ordered (also symmetrical in all directions) crystal lattice. Honor/Stromlight has a lot to do with order / structure at least when it comes to its rhythms. So once the stormlight enters it it doesn't want to leave because the perfect gemstone is a reflection of / matches the rhythms (and perhaps Intent?) of stormlight. The stormlight is probably attracted to the gemstones due to the orderliness of their crystal lattices. It's just that it is a more sung fit in a perfect gem compared to an imperfect gem and so it doesn't have a reason to escape.
That doesn't make much sense because, besides investiture not having worked that way in the past, you can also put voidlight, towerlight, and warlight in gems- and those don't originate from shards with the same intent. Additionally, it's described less that way, and more as the investiture leaking out of the imperfections in the crystals, indicating that it doesn't choose to be there, but just sits there and leaks if there are holes. On an unrelated note, "intent" as in the intent of a shard is lowercase- uppercase Intent applies to the Intent used in a magic system (as in the Intent to create a hemalurgic spike).
I can get behind something like "the perfect structure matches the frequencies of Investiture and reflects it back." I doubt that's Brandon's rationale but it could be just justification.
I think of it in a similar but slightly different way. I think it's resonance. NOT related to intent, but that scale of lattice resonates with the rhythms to reflect them inside perfectly.
@@heatherrockwell9012 counterpoint: we don't really know how Voidlight interacts with perfect gems. We _do_ know, however, that the incredibly imperfect and completely uncut gemhearts of the singers can hold Voidlight without ever leaking any of it out. So it might very well be that Voidlight behaves the same way Stormlight does for the same reasons Ashlin theorized, just on the opposite end of the scale: the more imperfect and chaotic the crystal structure, the better it stays there. As for all else, we've never had those lights examined long enough and under enough types of gems to know anything about it. The one and only issue I see with the idea is that perfect gems are also capable of indefinitely holding an Unmade. If this theory were true and my add on to it also tracked, you'd think an Unmade would leak out of a perfect gem in mere moments... But then again, spren trapping in spheres isn't exactly the same mechanics as light infusing them, like, even something as small as a single flamespren can't ever leak out of even the most imperfect gems.
Haha if the Lord Ruler's child is in Mistborn Era 3, then Brandon would need to begin the book with "The Dead Speak!" and end it with them saying their last time is Kelsier. Perfect storytelling.
This episode is so much fun, and I really hope to see some sort of showdown between oath 5 kaladin and a full twin born before they realize they were manipulated and they team up
1:29:20 I think it's definitely "producing the same effect without having the same amount of energy." Speed Bubbles aren't (or at least shouldn't be) just pure Investiture dilating time by merely existing, they are specifically created for time shenanigans. For an easy comparison, try to compare how much gasoline you'd need to blow up to send a car flying 100 feet away with how much gasoline the car would consume to drive that same distance. One method is getting the job done by just stuffing as much fuel as possible, the other is actually using the mechanics of the given material to work out. In that sense, Wayne was driving a car at the end of TLM, while the Stormfather blew up more gasoline than has ever existed on Earth to give Kaladin a few seconds in RoW
1:13:00 I think Alyx's gripe is a matter of personal taste. There really isn't a problem with both traumatic and voluntary Splintering be considered Splintering. A bloodless revolt (like what happened in the 1980s Philippines) and a violent revolt (like what happened in Haiti) are both revolutions. They both ended up with a country with newfound freedom from oppressors. There doesn't need ro be a different term for these two types of revolutions. They just are.
1:39:57 This is the entire plot of Dragon's Egg by Robert Forward (which is set in our universe - an alien species that evolves on a neutron star) 2:06:48 I'm convinced he sometimes drops stuff like this just to mess with you guys
To answer the question about why a perfect crystalline structure holds stormlight, could it be due to Honor being a god of order and structure and therefore perfect patterns are well suited to holding onto its Investiture?
@@Crowned_PvP Yeah. I was going to point out that gems hold voidlight even better (at least that's what I recall), and voidlight is about as far from order and structure as you can get.
I think the Investiture timey-whimy shenanigans are just a case of time becoming increasingly malleable as a location becomes more and more invested. My logic here is basically that the large amounts of Investiture are dragging the Physical Realm closer to the Spiritual Realm where time is inherently more fluid and can thus be stretched or compressed according to Intent. I'd also put forth as a sort of correlarry that this has parallels to the nature of perpendicularities as they tend to be located where Investiture passively pools forming a bridge between Realms and that, if I am correct, this could be the basis for Autonomy's rule breaking insta-perpendicularities by gathering a bunch of Investiture in the Physical Realm and using it to punch a hole to the Cognitive Realm. TL;DR: I think that the time warping effects of Investiture are more of a side effect of large gatherings of Investiture that can be harnessed through Intent rather than an effect unto themselves like speed bubbles.
TeeJay here, glad yall could discuss my wob! I was also the guy who walked up to yall and brought up Shallan's potential 5th ideal. It was nice to meet you!
Doesn't Lift also "hover between the realms"? I forgot who said that (the stormfather may be?). I think Lifts would fit those clues as well. (except for the napping thing perhaps).
I’d actually push back against the “no super magic system” point. We’ve already seen that combining allomancy and feruchemy creates compounding which is functionally similar to a super magic system combining two known ones. Plus after RoW, we know that resonance between different shard’s investiture is possible. I can totally see weird crazy new stuff happening when combining all the invested arts
WOB-BUFFET I actually laughed OUT LOUD at that joke. Gg Eric Edit: In case you were wondering why I am commenting on this at 3 am my time: I will continue to watch 17th shard vids on repeat on my tv FOREVER and NONE OF YOU CAN STOP ME! (Sorry if I woke you up with this comment)
Really wanted an exodia reference when talking about combining the powers😅 Edit: AND THEN MARVIN GAVE IT TO ME AT THE VERY END. The last comment of the episode! Love it. And love the show!!
35:30 or so - I was thinking about the Tien vision, and it occurs to me that the Spiritual Realm allows for cross-temporal communication. That could be Tien-just-after-he-died talking to Kaladin in the present, in principle. See, Nohadon talking to Dalinar-in-the-present. 01:34:00 or so: going FTL, if special relativity is correct (and it is), would allow backward-in-time travel, or at least backward-in-time communication, thus breaking causality. Of course, the Cosmere seemingly already has broken causality--again, because the Spiritual Realm is timeless. Good ep, folks. And once again, Alex is 100% right in everything she says. (I despise Kelsier.)
Just a thought about the shard splintering question… My first thoughts were about autonomy’s avatars but then I wondered if he’s actually talking about a different shard. Is it a possibility that Honor wasn’t actually forcibly splintered but willingly splintered himself without anyone else knowing. That would explain why his splintering is so different than the destruction from the other shattered shards and why Dalinar can do what he does. It also makes me wonder if the shattered plains could be one of the effects he’s talking about. I do also like Argents thoughts about threnody though, and I can see that also being true.
Spoiler for WTCC . . . . . . . . . . Oh that last Who's That Cosmere Character - chef's kiss! Great clues, hard to guess and the panel's reaction once it was revealed was wonderful! I have been waiting for a clue referring to Wax as a sword. I had it after the third clue because of that one. Great job submitter!
On the time dilation topic-we have evidence for worldhoppers experiencing different levels of time dilation when moving between planets. I doubt Felt is ageless. Could be wrong, but he seems like just an ordinary guy trying to make his way in the Cosmere. Him turning up on Roshar 300 years after being on Scadrial suggests he experienced time dilation while traveling from Scadrial to Roshar. Meanwhile, Hoid made the return trip in record time. He travelled from Roshar to Scadrial in under 15 years relative to time on both planets. So he must have a way to avoid the same time dilation.
Talking about the theory that Honor and Cultivation allowed Odium into the system to take him out: I think that Odium knew that it was a trap, but played dumb since he potentially had the Autonomy card up his sleeve. He took out Honor, but failed to get Cultivation before her (or her and Honor's) plan worked. Though how they knew nightblood would end up in Roshar is baffling, or it just happened to be a perfect opportunity.
Hey! New listener, do you guys usually cover preview chapters as they come out or wait closer to book releases? I just know there were also some SA 5 preview chapters at dragonsteel and was wondering if you guys have episodes planned discussing them because id really love to hear those
Hey, welcome, happy to have you here! Your question actually has 3 answers 😅 - When a book is about to come out and its publisher is doing official chapter previews, we try to do a weekly previews show (e.g. most recently, "The Lost Previews" for "The Lost Metal") - When Brandon does an interesting reading at a con or something, we try to talk about it in the next (appropriate) episode we record; we don't usually do emergency recordings for stuff like that - All this being said, the SA5 readings are not something we've discussed explicitly. We were hoping that Brandon's team would release the VODs from the convention, because without them there isn't all that much to talk about. But it's a lot of chapters, so we'll see.
I'm sure we will do something eventually. Part of the problem with these readings in particular is that the TLM and Tress timeframe was so busy, and only until about now do we have some free slots, so there hasn't been a good time. I'm sure we will have some coverage on them eventually! -Eric
Feather´s comment about Honor and Cultivation luring Odium into Roshar makes a lot of sense. Honor, of course, doing the honorable thing would sacrifice himself to trap Odium And Cultivation just planted a seed and wants to see what will grow out of it
#47 To act honorable without other emotions is easy. But imagine having Honor despite a raging hatred of Odium inside you. Whoa that would be awesome to see Odius Honor. The trap theory looks more promising.
26:03 - my theory on that is that stormlight somehow "adjusts its wavelength" to the grid size of the type of gem it fills, and so as long as that structure is perfect it just bounces around inside of it, but on any imperfection that perfectly adjusted to the grid wavelength reflects in a different way and that eventually adds up in the process of bouncing all around and so some part of the light just misses the atoms or something. Head-canon though. With stormlight storming inside of the gems and Lopen claiming that light from different types of gems "tastes differently" and similar "taste" thing being mentioned jokingly by I think Syl or some other spren that's the theory I landed on for myself
27:37 I'm picturing it like a coffee filter now, and you can add or remove Stormlight easily from above, but it leaks out before more slowly.... Which makes me wonder if there's something to be said about whether that Investiture is acting more like it's in the physical realm vs spiritual realm? Idk, I don't think there's anything to that last thought lol
Hey guys, a question for you to debate some day. If before the recreance, radiants and spren were bonded, why all the weapons were only blades? Was there no radiant that prefer another kind of weapon? I know the issue with the thunderclasts, but... No shardspear, or shardpolearm or sharddagger? :(
36:38 The most interesting part of this WOB to me is that Brandon seemed very intentional about the phrase "sense of decorum and self worth," and almost that exact phrase appears in Tress (relating to Hoid's situation, I believe?)....
I legitimately did get the final WTCC, and it's the first one I've gotten in at least like four episodes, too! I didn't even expect it to be right, I thought it was more an amusing guess that technically fit the clues.
I think the smiting had to do with other shards in the area. Endowment is alone, but Odium is not. If he extends himself to much, he might leave himself open to Cultivation, who although hidden is still there
I guessed the last wtcc correctly! I had to pause the video and think about it for a good 10 minutes and boy did I get exited when I turned out to be right. Lol
The one about the crystal structure being important to hold stormlight has me wondering. Most diamonds probably come from gemhearts, meaning the carbon in them comes from the carbon cycle and not deep underground. And it forms within the lifetime of the animal it came from, so not a very long time geologically speaking. That means there's gonna be carbon-14 in them, about the same amount as you'd expect to find in the animal's other remains (maybe a little less since the gemheart material probably isn't cycled out as quickly or at all during life). Carbon-14 is radioactive, it decays into nitrogen-14. So, over thousands of years as the carbon-14 in gemheart diamonds decays, it gets these impurities of nitrogen locked into its crystal structure, the same way lead gets stuck in zircon. So when it comes to perfect gemstones and their ability to store stormlight, diamonds are *not* forever, they lose their perfection over a long enough timeline, no matter where you store them. Unless you're really careful to minimize the amount of carbon-14 in making them. P.S. "Twine and duct tape sort of immortality" is the best way I've heard that described and I'll be including that in my own vocabulary now!
