@@IamnotfromUSA Because creator of Zilean was against riot releasing " Armored bear " known as Volibear. Right now Volibear is without armor so that rivalry is smaller.
@@eonnephilim852 It's really not the wild, he's saying he could die, people aren't worshipping him anymore so he could fade without worship like Janna is. That's why he sees the bones in ice
Riot is really hecking stingy, hell, skinspotlights is basically a big advert for literally every single lol cosmetic (and a treat for champ interaction nuts like myself). Why would riot not pay dividends? Or at least offer something unique?
@@justascarecrow6988 If you haven't paid attention to the beginning, Riot's official LoL channel used a footage owned by Skin Spotlights altogether with their watermark too
About the bones in the dreams line: maybe he's imprisoned in ice, together with the frozen watchers. In one of Lissandra's stories, she dreams in order to contact the watchers, maybe something similar is at play here...? Also, voli's teaser has him clawing up from the howling abyss, where the watchers were imprisoned.
In the ARAM event and when he uses his ultimate he becomes kind of ghost like. Maybe he is, in the form that we have today just the after image or dream of a dead god. And he is just projecting his image onto the world.
but how did he come to be frozen together with the frozen watchers tho? I think his dreams refer to his current state, which is likely near its end. Being forgotten by people it wears his power and ability to manifest, this feels to him akin to be frozen and the bones might indicate a forseeable future to him. Just as Necrit thought, primal gods needed to be worshipped to manifest and become powerful.
No it doesn't mean just as in justice, in Spanish we got a distinction between just of justice and just as he was about to say sonething and in Spanish, he didn't meant that, it seems he was about to say something
@@dedalus6188 Ornn actually had a lot of admiration for his followers, but being the strong silent type he never verbalized it. When they died in is fight with Volibear it really hurt him emotionally. Also the "i need people to believe in me or I don't exist" theory doesn't make much sense at all. Seeing as how these gods existed and were arguably at their strongest and formed the Freljord long before humans inhabited it.
I don't know if I can call this a theory, but let's try In Neil Gaiman's "American Gods" he creates a universe in which gods are only as powerful as the number of believers they have: prayers, sacrifices and stuff like that give them the powers they weild, and even though as gods they could not technically die, if no one, literally no one believed in them anymore they could just choose to lose their will to live, and actually die (kind of like fairies in Peter Pan) . Also, in his book, there is not just a single depiction per god, but as many as people believe in (for example, there is not just one Jesus Christ, but many, with different ethnicities, core beliefs and so on) So, with that said, my "theory" is that A. When Volibear says "But do I live if I am not in the hearts of warriors?" he's mentioning something similar to Neil Gaiman's depiction of gods, in fact, Ornn himself says that "Gods don't need worshippers", and maybe they don't technically need them to live, they exist even without their belief, but that belief, that faith, those worshippers are what makes them truly alive, what gives them true power to shape the world, a power he once wielded and has now lost B. I'm not sure about the idea of a "sleeping volibear", but I think that, again, similar to Neil Gaiman's book, there is an original Volibear, Valhir of the first thunder and blablabla, but instead of having different version of the same god, there is the one god that appears in different forms when summoned because of the ways his followers perceive him, so if they believe in the "thousand pierced bear" with freljordian horror and stuff, that's the form Volibear will assume, that's the power he'll be able to grant people, but if someone actually knew his true form, maybe his true name even, he could appear in his full form, all fluffy and white Long comment, no one is going to read it but ok bye
Yep. i was going to mention the similarities with "American Gods". Voli thinks like an old god, he actually feels a lot like Odin, they both take different names human gave them and both want to start a war to regain their lost power.
I think the line "In my dreams, I see bones frozen in ice. I wonder... if they are my own". Might in fact by a reference that the true Volibear is either sleeping, or maybe even dead. The Volibear we see in-game is a manifestation summoned and shaped by whoever has called upon him either willingly or unwillingly. This would also tie in to the fact that there aren't really many worthy warriors (that look up to Volibear) in Freljord anymore, confirmed by "But do I live if I am not in the hearts of warriors?".
you watch necrit and you think that aatrox has a chance against a firstborn? are you serious? (saying this as a xerath main, and also, xerath would get stomped by volibear as well -_-)
@@gilsai4990 Aatrox is basically inmortal even the celestials cant destroy the sword were he is trapped so its basically aatrox fights everyone and probably dies some times and then he comes back until he wins, and if he killed a celestial who is no dout above a regular runaterra god (the firstborn arent even gods they are demigods they are the children of the first gods) i think aatrox could kill voli or at least the form he takes because all the first born are more like spirits
@@TheHunter932 aatrox is a beast (no pun intended) he can figure out how to kill anyone. He is the god killer. He killed fucking pantheon like wtf get out of the way voli u noob
9:43 an alternative take is that "Thunder roars" refers to Volibear himself, but "Wind howls" refers to the Howling Abyss, implying that the "ignoring the call to battle" is foolish because the Watchers are stirring from their slumber. But hey, that's just a theory...
Don’t forget, Necrit: his bio mentions another primal deity referred to as the “iron boar.” Currently, we have Ornn, Volibear, Anivia, the Seal Sister, the Iron Boar, and/or Everwinter.
@@sunnydeee_ well bears and most mammals have pecs and abs they're just not defined because 'working out' doesn't exist. Some of the most athletic animals like horses and kangaroos and even some dogs have defined muscles. Considering voli is as smart or smarter than humans, I'd like to think he does some gym work with trees and boulders
Actually due to their being ellipses, its also a possibility that he just left out the rest of the words he would have said because of sadness. So really it goes either way like Necrit said
In your last point you talk about how the Gods might work in a similar way spirits do by relying on followers to worship them but in one of the Ornn's quotes he says something along the lines of "Gods don't need followers. Followers need Gods."
They have different point of view on it. And Ornn must be the one who's right since he shaped the land and started forging before followers came to birth. But it may just be metaphorical when Volibear says he doesnt exist without people worshipping him.
I also remember Ornn denying he has followers (even when he had the Hearthblood) and he said he doesn't like having followers and just likes to be by himself.
@@adriancam5331 In his story, right before he fights Volibear he tells him he doesnt have followers. That the people below his mountain forge, build and create for themselves, not for any god. So he does. Yet in game he says "I had followers once, they tried..." So he knows it was his followers, he just couldnt admit it at the time or still can admit it in public. I think the whole follower thing with Ornn is more of him not liking the term. He doesnt want people to follow gods. He wants people to be as free as gods are. Inspiration is something is understands, but the term "follower" is stronger and implies a strong link. Too much to have any kind of identity to the ones following. Like sheeps to a sheperd, the sheeps don't have their own thought, they only follow the sheperd because he's the one who made the 1st movement. Ornn wants to inspire at best. That's my take on why Ornn denies his own followers.
So there is a really interesting quote from Pantheon saying:"The power of these "God's" is but an echo of our own" Which might be connected to the gods in Freljord as well
As necrit says the voice lines of in game characters isn't worth shit lorewise. Plus I don't think Volibear hates Ornn to a killing degree but like brotherly hatred born of disagreement.
Riku Harada I think you misunderstand, because Necrit never says the voice lines aren’t worth shit lorewise. This entire video is about what Volibear’s interactions mean for the lore.
@@RikuHarada6996 I didn't mean just to be a cut-off word but rather an adjective to justice. In the end, Ornn is his brother and there can be as much hard feelings between them as you want, his death/killing will still shake him. To me he is doubting whether this conflict to death between brothers was a right thing and whether killing Ornn was justice or injustice.
'Just' itself is a full word, 'surely this is justice ' would actually make less sense than what he says. It is more archaic, but it would would make sense for an old demigod to say. "Surely this is just." Is a full sentence, meaning, "surely, this was the right thing to do."
I was actually very disappointed with Voli interaction because they was short and lack luster. It would have been great if he had interaction with some Darken or ascended characters.
Given that Anivia seems the most gentle and compassionate of the bunch, if I had to guess for what the line about "the ice burning in" her heart is suggesting, I'd assume either a caged fury at the state of things, or that she holds back the worst of her storms to the point where it affects her health, possibly forcing her to do the phoenix rebirth/reincarnation thing after exploding into an epic winter storm.
I like that they didn't make him hate Ornn with all of his heart, but you can tell that he actually loves his brother even though he tries to not show it
meh aatrox wants to kill everything. Even if some dude wants to be friends with him he kills him and feeds of him. Aatrox doesnt have any friends except eternal darkness and hatred against everything
@@runtergerutscht4401 aatrox can kill anyone. He is the god killer. He found a way to kill someone who is immortal so i dont think that voli, ornn, anivia and so on would be a problem for him. Maybe he dies a couple times but his sword cant be destroyed so he just revives over and over until he finds a way to kill his enemies and that even if they are stronger than him and immortal
@@Kerblbua not anyone. so far i think he has only "killed" pantheon, but im not sure of he kileld him or just destroyed the link cuz right now atreus is pretty much replacing pantheon as an aspect of war. are you sure his sword cant be destroyed?
Theory: When Volibear got into his fight with Ornn (or sometime in his past), he in fact was killed and over time his form froze deep beneath the ice. His conscience still remained, however. He thinks with doubt (due to his dreams of his own bones) that he is still alive, as whenever people call up him, and believe in him once again, he can take shape via them summoning him. He now fights to grasp followers, allowing him to live once more and fight for his wishes to return his land to a wild state once more. I am unsure if he knows he is dead though, since he states "A god cannot die!", but maybe he is referring to peoples belief in him keeping him around. Just thought of all this on a whim, tell what you think
"In my dreams, I see bones frozen in ice. I wonder... if they are my own." I thought about this. I think he meant that he sees what he wants to see, freljordians fighting for survival, leaving bonees in the plains of ice. But instead he realises that these are HIS bones, because he has been forgotten by his people, who got into farming. Don't know what you think about this but i think it makes sense.
Aatrox definetly. Maybe aatrox would die but he would come back. And again. and again. until voli is dead. I mean aatrox killed pantheon and pantheon is stronger than voli mind u
Volibear should win that, he’s far too big, I believe Aatrox is around the size of a building but Voli is the size of a mountain. We don’t know the context behind Aatrox killing Pantheon other than him “hitting him so hard he killed the aspect” but Atreus was still able to get up afterwards so he killed an aspect but not one human? How do you hit an aspect’s vessel so hard you kill the aspect when Aurelion Sol I think killed a vessel and didn’t kill the aspect?
@@justhair17 exactly, it says something like this in the lore too, I believe. That pantheon was like "get in the passenger's seet Atreus, I'll take the wheel because you cant drive" And so he manifested too hard to simply gtfo when killed.
4:17 i think your missing the point here, if you remember the Iron boar AKA the forgotten god then you'll know why he interacted Bristle instead of Sejuani I theorize that when Valhir/Volibear realize that the boar that Sejuani rode was his long lost brother, his forgotten brother the *Iron boar* . Here Volibear could not believe that such a god would be serving a human as a stead and he questions it yet bristle does not reply, perhaps something happened to the boar god even none of the siblings knew about. I theorize that maybe one of the 3 sisters had a similar power that can turn gods into their prisons just like how the rest of the darkin got turned into weapons but instead of weapons they become normal animals. Unlike the darkin this power causes the god to be unconcious and instead their animal forms were the ones who were concious as if their mind was their own instead of the gods. So Bristle currently wasn't himself but his power can be sensed by his siblings just like how volibear discovering the *Iron boar's* fate
I agree this sounds cool but I don't think it's possible. If Sejuani's boar WAS a demigod then wouldn't she have noticed something, like idk maybe superpowers? I think that it's just that Voli knows the animals of Freljord and some even by name. And seeing as sejuani is a rather prominent Character it would make sense for him to at least have heard of this undoubtedly mighty boar, just like he knows of Rengar for some reason.
I'm so glad you cleared up the SkinSpotlight thing. I appreciate both of you. But it's good to see yall cooperate not just rob eachother. Rito on the other hand....
6:45 the way he says surely there was a reason seemed as if he doesn't remember doing it so maybe how he has a dark side is like an alter ego and he just turns into it randomly and does horrible things then turns into the great white bear again not remembering what he did
The line where he's talking about his dreams of frozen bones and how he wonders if they're his. It makes me think how Volibear may be thinking of what will happen to him in the future as people are slowly forgetting him. Or maybe Volibear is already dead and the Volibear that people see now is his spirit.
In regards to the final point made in the video, ornn has been almost forgotten in the freljord, and many of his voice lines refer to not having followers. Yet ornn is still content and powerful. What a proud ornn main I am
9:32 I always understood it as voltage bear, thunder bear. The Freljordian demigod of thunder, who has a Stattik in his passive and an Ohmwrecker in his ult
I think that Volibear reminds me a lot about an old man that is scred of all the changes that are happening around him and feels that het may be forgotten. but also afraid that his goals and drives aren't that good like he would like to think. I think that could be a reference to the frozen bones in ice( he is rusted in his ways) and text if he truly lives if he doesn't live in the hearts of warriors. Volibear is just scared that peple forget who he is that he forces himself on others.
I think the everwinter line may be referring to the fact that Anivia, the seal sister and Volibear are more alike with ties to storms and the cold and Orn is an outlier being associated with fire.
I thought the wane of Janna's following was more directly tied to the project turned mess in Piltover/Zaun, since it was a canal that would allow for faster, more direct access without braving perilous waters and winds.
We shouldn't forget the god that Ashe prays in her new interactions, Ildhaurg, "Warden of Sacrifice". I wonder if it refers to Everwinter, which could maybe possibly eventually be some sort of comparison to death? Which could make sense with the link of sacrifices.
Necrit, The Volibear line about everwinter has me wondering about a part of his bio... "A few, like Anivia, seemed inclined to work with the sisters, while the Volibear and the Iron Boar wanted to destroy them." This in response to the three sisters rising to power, so this would early on in their story and not be when Ornn was mad at them for using magic on the howling abyss. Ornn also mostly kept to himself and didnt get involved with humans not to mention that he is a ram. So from the bio, Anivia (and I'm guessing the Seal sister) wanted to work with the three sisters, but Volibear and the Iron boar (Sister of everwinter) could have sought to fight the humans while Ornn stayed in his home. That idea could also give some more substance to Volibears line to Bristle. If animals are seen to relate the demigods that share a similar form, then that could be a remark to judge Bristle for siding with humans over hating them like the Iron boar did.
This video remind me so much of Percy Jackson and the Kane's way to see the mithology, where all gods from all places coexist, and the power of them depends on the faith of the people....
Could the dreams Volibear mentions be about the watchers and their influence slowly growing over the land? If Volibear is close to the land then it could be possible that whatever happens to the land he to feels
