Volume shifted boards, part #2 // Quiver Board vs. All Mountain Ride 

We totally need to talk about board personality in the future. Two very similar boards can be super different when riding and also combined with soft, medium och hard bindings and boots.

Simple Pleasures, such an underrated board

Absolutely love these nerdy dives. Keep 'em coming. My daily driver for years has been a flat top Burton Nug. 146. Ww is only 254, but it's 28.5 in the tip and tail. Also, I was having similar thoughts the other day about VS boards getting narrower and "normal" boards getting wider. Good to hear actual stats on that.

This is probably the most informative video on snowboard dimensions (and their effects) I have watched to date. Many thanks!

Thanks Lars. Another very informative video. Once again it reinforces the fact that there is no perfect board for all conditions and all riders and what might be best for one person will not be best for another. That's the problem with a lot of board reviews. Some reviews say something like: "I found this board to be brilliant , so you need to get it too" ... that would only be the case in the scenario where the other person was same physically and in riding style and intending to ride in same conditions! So I totally agree with your thoughts about knowing all the specs of a board and understanding the impact each characteristic (length, width, sidecut, stifeness, etc) will have and choosing appropriately for yourself. 🙂 Thanks again.

I must say, that your episode on functional board width was a real eye opener for me and I totally agree ! I ride two boards, a 157 by 26.5 cm and a 161 by 27.6 cm and I can tell you that while I can turn the latter one almost as well as the first, the effort is much greater in short tight turns . Also the side cut and the shape of these boards is so different that they ride so very differently. You won’t see me on the 161 in glades and in really rough conditions, too physical even for my 11,5 shoe size. I must also say that I always ride posi-posi angles of front +24 and back +9 . Always informative and on point ! Thank you Lars !

Very interesting, thank you Lans

you are truly explained so many details regarding the snowboard designs!!!! learned so much from your contents~~ thank you so much^

Love your work Lars! Such a great channel!

Another river of golden nuggets! Thank you, Lars. Appreciate you for sharing the knowledge. Very valuable insights.

You should add the link to the short video that you did recently on the "breakdown of the Makrill", where you took it for a "pow run", but ended up using it in mix conditions. Thanks for the content! Keep 'em coming.

This channel is a gift! Just keeps getting better and better, and super consistent! Thanks dude! Btw, where is your board shop based? Would be awesome to visit in person!

Dude Dude Dude Dude!! Love your take on things!! This time last year I bought a 152 dancehaul. Had 20 days days on it this winter and except a few powder days were the board was amazing and fast turning in the trees, I thought it was unstable and Washie everywhere else. Hated it! Jumped back on my old 158w Assassin to finish my season and couldn’t believe how faster I could ride and how at home it felt! Totally agree, when like me you have ridden wide boards for 30 years a volume shift board is just a skateboard with loose trucks that can’t go fast or ride choppy piste. my season is finished this year so I’ve just bought a 161W ride deep fake for next season. Might as well get something stiffer and more free ride for carving and charging! Dancehaul is hanging on the wall only to see the light of a powder day in the trees! Cheers

Very informative. Would love you to check out Cardiff Powgoda board

I’m so glad to hear your input on the Simple P and Makrill! Wondering if you’d still consider the Makrill a “surfy” ride being that it’s stiffer and more powerful than most boards with that shape and sidecut? I like the idea of a pow board that doesn’t necessarily get put away if the runs get a lil messy or packed but I do have another board for going supersonic!

I recently bought the Ride Warpig and it's the best all mountain board I can imagine

Super interesting! I love the very pragmatic and sensible approach you have! Never really heard anyone talk about how board width and foot size relate... other than saying that a wider board is a bit harder to get on edge. I've more or less queued up all your videos to understand what I'm going to want to be looking for for the upcoming season for getting back into snowboarding. I'm one of your typical customers like you mentioned in the stance series in that I don't ride switch, I don't ride park, I just want to enjoy the mountain and hopefully learn how to carve properly, and I've always enjoyed longboarding over riding in skate parks too... I think this is why Stranda speaks to me in terms of their philosophy on how what type of boards they want to make, and why I find it very difficult to find a board that sounds interesting from other brands since they are so focused on park riding etc. At first I was really interested in the Biru, but as a 177 cm, 85-ish kg guy with 25,5-ish cm feet I'm starting to lean more towards the Shorty and Descender. But my goal is to get my friends to come with me early in the season to a demo event week so I can try them out and see what fits me before I decide on what will be my first board ever.

K2 Excavator has been a revelation this season; one board quiver for my style of riding.

As someone with size 13 feet and a normal weight (75-85kg) I've always disliked how manufacturers assume you are some mammoth over 110 kg and always used to made wide boards ultra long, stiff and not wide enough. So I'm loving this new trend. As I am getting better at carving these past few weeks thanks to your videos, James' videos and a few japanese tutorials(by rama), I am starting to boot out on my 153 Orca. When I bought it, there wasn't that much choice on the market, whereas right now I feel like there are soo many boards to pick from. I might end up with a Korua because of the width and also because I'm brainwashed by their videos.

Can you do a introduction on Stranda boards and how they differ compare to other brands

The Cool Bean is great but the Yes 420 came out much earlier and is probably the first volume shifted snowboard. And like other K2 boards, the specs were wrong, at least for the 150 which waist width is not really 287 mm but more like 282 mm, making the Yes 420 wider. That being said I like the Cool Bean better but it would have been even better if they had made one in 156.

Thanks, Lars, for giving an objective and scientific point of view to put people's brains away from marketing and aesthetics. We humans, sometimes ride things just because they look cool, hindering our progression... Watching your videos and living in Stockholm Stranda has recently become attractive... I'm thinking about the Biru for soft boot all-mountain and carving. Which Biru size would you recommend for me being 177cm, 75kg, Mondo 27,3cm (riding 9.5US boots)? Many thanks

I ride a 157 Korua Otto but ever since improving my carving and starting to get really low I've been booting out consistently.. Tried shifting to posi posi but I really like the freestyle options for duckish stance.... Tried riser plates but a 260mm waist just doesnt cut it for my 10.5 boots.. What I;m trying to say is.. I want to see an hour long video review on the Biru cause that's the board Im set on buying next time they're in stock.. Love your videos and hope to see more and learn more from you in the future!

I’m 5’5 170 9.5 boot and I just ordered a 148 gremlin. Usually ride a gilson slayer at 149 ,or my old Lamar 151. 🤷🏻‍♂️ every board I ride,after 5 min I’m like ok,this is cool. Depending on conditions of course but I just carve and do some small side hits.

Interesting topic! What do you think of the Ride Peace Seeker? It looks kind of volume shifted, but also t just looks like a short carving board. The entering radius is much bigger then the exit radius

The Gremlin rocks!! Also the smallest is 148, with even less width. A board for any occasion imo!!

Thanks so much for this! I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there about snowboards that it’s so easy to get swept up in the hype. Having said that, I am a big fan of volume shifted boards, especially the dancehaul you’ve mentioned. I ride a 147 and find it super stable even at fast speeds. The only downside of the board is when it’s icy or choppy and steep it’s harder to hold an edge compared to longer boards. Have you ever ridden korua t finder? If so how does it compare to the biru? I feel like they both have a lot of similarities and yet I keep hearing that it’s different. Very tempted to buy it for my wife so that I have an excuse to try it, lol 😂. Btw, both wifey and I have become posi posi converts thanks to you!! Riding has become much more effortless and fluid. Can’t wait to nerd out on your next video!

Thanks for the great content, I am a new snowboarder and I am wondering if you could clear up some information for me How does a volume shifted/party board help in spring conditions? My understanding is that these boards were designed for riding in slushy snow. I am looking at a k2 party platter Thanks again 🏂

Another great vid Lars! Having a size 11UK (in trainers) feet I've been loving the volume shifted trend over the last 5 years or so. More recently I've been going back to riding longer boards, Cafe Racer (164) and Otto (161) from Korua. I do find that I'm maybe not heavy enough at 76kg for them but that could also be that I'm not experienced enough. Either way I'm enjoying playing with the different shapes and lengths. Love that you go so in-depth into everything. Do you have a patreon or similar where people can ask questions or get advice? I have a couple of boot choice/fit questions I'd be interested to hear your opinion on.

depend on which country you ride，In Japan you definitely need a short fat quiver board for the tight trees

Wow as someone who is just getting to intermediate territory and thinking of what sort of board to get for my big feet this is very helpful! I'm a size 12 and looking to mostly ride groomers and steep terrain so thinking of trying to get a stiffer board and hopefully grow in to being able to carve on it. Is there a minimum waist width I should be looking at for my foot size? Volume shift would be preferable since I rarely ride park or switch

Taper talk. What it does in the carve. Release and does it affect the radius?

Hi, it is a bit off topic but your style of riding is the only style I want to ride. Unfortunately I have spent quit a lot of money on ski instructors just to find out I know more about carving and carve bether than them. Anyway do you plan to do a carve snowboard school sometime in the future somewhere in Europe?

Nah people don't want to use their head anymore. They just want the orca to become part of the orca pod 😂. In all honesty great video. I have amassed a quiver of 8 boards currently and I ride each of them depending on conditions and all sorts of variables. When the gear compliments the conditions just right the riding is so much easier and way more fun!

Interesting hypothesis but what about gentemstick? Their board with are massive, 280+ despite Japanese being smaller with smaller feet. They’ve been designed wide for a long time.

Interesting you mention the Orca. I guess the waist width is just what works best for Travis. In some of the Product introduction videos he talks about how he sizes them. He seems to like the shortest one (153) in the steep terrain and goes up in length if the terrain gets flatter to carry speed or the pow gets really deep if he needs more float. I was quite surprised as i got that as a different take from the likes of Jeremy or Xavier which seem to take out the longer boards for the steeper stuff. I guess it makes some sense as you can get the shorter board around quicker and you should pick up less unwanted speed. My take is, that if you ride steeper stuff you ride more on the back of the board, so that part gets more important. Kinda like a shortboard in surfing, where you are more concerned with managing speed the generating. I seem to gravitate towards upwards curved tails. I found that it helps you getting the board around when on the backfoot despite still having a quite functional tail.

Hi Lars, very interesting as usual. Love these little courses. Is there an email where we can reach you? I have some personal questions about some of the Stranda boards.

how do you pick a board for jumping in powder? I was in Japan this winter and I used short fat board with short tail that did not give me confidence in jumps or dropping cliffs.

Its been over 10 yrs since buying a new board. I only ride 1 week a year in resort so really want 1 board to cover everything from hard packed pistes through chunder to the occasional foray in to powder ( and accept the compromises that go with it! ). The more i read and the more video's i watch the more I get confused 🤯 surprised the Ride warpig didn't get a ment.

I need a video review of the biru and shorty preferably 1hour or 2. So i can feel validated. Thanks 👍

I mentioned this in the premier chat but I think a lot of "volume shifted" boards aren't really. The example I tend to jump to is the Hovercraft, which Jones markets as a volume shift, but the size chart still puts me on a 156 or 160, which is pretty much normal. And you can definitely go over the handlebars easier in powder on a short wide. Even if it has the float, if you dip the nose to much it will just dig in, Think of the flying CLK-GTR.

Definitely quiver...its going to take guys like your good self, the James Cherry's the Aaron Sababba's the Ryan Knapton's, the Sean Martin's, a while before we see any real shift in the marketing of snowboards. Fashion plays way to much of a part in pretty much everything we consume. Thanks again for your work mate. 👍

Whats your opinion on Dupraz snowboard for intermediate use? haven't seen many ppl review them is it still worth buying?

What are your specs like weight and boot size? As someone with a quiver of boards ranging in waist width 244 up to 285, I am always curious about peoples specs because it helps but their reviews on snowboards and how they ride into context.

For my boot size it's so hard to find some board. I have us13 and I don't want to ride 172cm boards. Maybe you have some ideas for an allmountain weight shifted boards for freestyle?

As a light tall guy with big feet, this topic is very important to me.

Should i be regretting my Mountain Twin. The reviews said it could handle powder ok. But i sank when i rode it powder for the first time last week. To be fair, the stance wasn't set back though.

Surfboard design started moving in this short/wide direction with the resurgence of the San Diego kneeboard fishes and the Richard Kenvin birthed mini Simmons in the early 2000's. I think Kenvin's experiments were fully realized by 2003. Has the volume shifted snowboard concept been around that long? It may have been influenced by that movement I mention above. Having said that, in the early 2000's surfboard designers were simply rediscovering shapes that had been around much longer-even as far back as the paipo boards from the early Hawaiian's. There's not much new in the world.

Ok you explain volume shifted board just need to show différent modèle how they built Excel in witch condition Speek to much im sleeping

Cross-Country? Trailbike? Tourer? All-Mountains? No, Down Country! Yes Mullet! Plus size tires? No, mid fats! Glad, mountainbikers don't play this 'put it in a strange word game'... Maybe we need a volume shifted water bottle or volume shifted back pack.