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You do some awesome work on your videos. So clear and professional. Great job....and some cool guns as well. Keep up the good work...and say hi to Big Johnson for me.
Big Johnson Guns & Gear Excellent will keep an eye out for it. wanted to go shooting today with the good weather, but no one wants to go. At least I can save ammo that way. Have a relaxing day buddy.
Subscribed!!!! I love video like this that doesnt waste time listening to overkilled review like Sage Dynamic.Nothing against them some i guess want in depth review but not me. I just want to know which has brighter dot and overall feel of the optic basically info you wont see on the spec sheets. Great review my brother and keep up the great work , this is the perfect example of KISS review.!!!
Awesome video! Very clear and concise. I recently purchased a Glock 19 MOS and did the research on both and went with the Burris. I wanted something simple to use and for me having less property on the glass helped me focus faster on the red dot. As you mentioned, it comes down to personal preference. Thanks for the great video.
I have two Burris Fastfire 3's and love them. Personally I feel the "field of view" thing is overrated but that's just me. I like the thinness aspect of the FF3. So I've had them both for over three years and shoot competitively, not like every weekend but enough to know the FF3's have never let me down. One I use for my revolver and the other my auto, highly recommended. Next time I see someone with a Vortex I'll ask them if I can shoot it to see for myself. Great video...Thanks
stuzinno2 can’t say because I never shot with the vortex models. I’ve heard great things about them. I wouldn’t hesitate purchasing the vortex. I know the BFF3 is very difficult to find, not sure about the vortex. Be sure the battery is accessible through the outside and your dot size is not too large or you’ll cover your targets. I love the 3moa....... aim small miss small.
I opted for the Burris 8 MOA for my glock. I chose it for both carry, fun and weekend matches. I like the slim profile of it over the Vortex and it just matches the gun better as well. My views are, if you want a slimmer design match for a glock that is slim for carry as well. Burris. If you want the more aggressive wider FOV optic for race or just range gun. Vortex all the way. As for as reticle. 8 MOA for carry or a gun used for quick draw ability. Due to bigger sight picture and faster acquisition. Even still that is only a .82" dot at 10 yards. The 3 MOA is a .32" dot at 10 which is beyond tiny. 3MOA for a paper puncher or if you plan to shoot to 50 yards and extend beyond. Draw back is movement is magnified with the smaller dot vs the bigger dot which helps mask small movement while trying to hold target. YMMV. My take, both are amazing sights for the money. Especially for this type of pistol red dot application.
Great comparison! Thank you. I have a Burris FF3 on a M&P9 and am sitting here, about to buy a sight for my Canik (pronounced Janick, BTW). I was leaning towards trying the Vortex, although I have no complaints about the Burris. Have you removed the front sight on the Canik? Does the Venom have a notch in the housing to use to co-witness a front sight? Black guns are hard to see on a video. If you used a dark background, the lens would open up and the guns won't be just black blobs. Or maybe there is a manual option on the camera to open up a f stop or two.
Good stuff, liking the vortex. Have a Burris but your right would like a little more field of view, do like the clarity of the glass though. Keep up the good work!
I have the Viper on a S&W M&P and the ff3 on a Glock 19. I agree with you, although i like them both if i had to pick i would choose the Viper. I prefer the controls on the Viper more than the Burris but they are very comparable. Unfortunately I've had to test customer service with both red dots. The emitter failed on the Burris and the dot disappeared on the Vortex. Both companies handled warranties well and turnaround times was less than 2 weeks
Sgt Supz thanks Sgt! Yeah, both are great but the Vortex edges the FF3 out by a hair. That glass on the Vortex is great. Both companies do a good job standing behind their product which is refreshing. Cheers!
I was wondering, if you got that bag of screws on Amazon, could you show a link to them? I'm having trouble finding that size, M3 X 7mm, 0.5 thread pitch, locally. I'm mounting the Burris to my Glock 17 MOS, but can't find those screws, to mount the #1 plate. Thank you.
NEITHER. I mounted a HOLOSUN 509T fully enclosed circle/dot on my RUGER 57.My gunsmith drilled the included HOLOSUN mounting plate and when he black Cerakoted the slide he also coated the plate. Great sight for this pistol as it is TOTALLY WEATHERPROOF. Plus the 6 o'clock position of the circle is good for 100 yard aiming IF you sight in at 20 yards with 40 gr. FN ammo. The 5.7 x 28 ammo is VERY flat shooting for a pistol cartridge and needs that circle reticle.
The most important thing for me is how it performs in bright sunlight. Indoors all dots look bright, but point them toward an outside bay facing east or west and see what happens,the cheap ones wash out quickly especially on white steel targets. Next time if possible test them at an outdoor range. All and all a good review.
Update both of my Romeo 1 are useless the shake awake sensors are not working they both turn off at the 2 minute mark even while shooting . That means my carry Sig and my X 5 are dotless... Sig is aware of the problem, but I fear will do nothing about it but try to sell me the upgraded model at a higher price. I'm done with SIG
@@joed3264 good point! You should make videos then to help out complete strangers with giving as much information as possible. All while dealing with garbage comments like yourself. Make 1 video, and we'll see how well you do. Why are you here?
Do they both have clear glass or tinted? Nothing said about the Venom having a double line for dot alignment and the Burris a single line. Not sure if one is better than the other.
there a reason you dont have a rear sight with the Venom? does those Mark's on back of venom just work well enough with front suppressor sight to not need rear sight?? I ask because due to the length of the venom on the Glock 20...it requires plunger work because it sits over it. can advoid that of dont even need to run a rear sight...
Does the vortex glass have a tint and the burris have a more clear colored glass? Not sure but looked like it in the video. I'm not partial to having tinted glass myself but other than that liked the vortex. Not sure if it is only the video or it really does have a blue tint on the vortex
I had the burris on my cz Shadow 2 and it started to turn off after a few rounds. Then it stopped working. Im sending it back for repair but bought the venom which I will try out as well.
You are so rite about the Venom I have one on my PSA Dagger Doctor Cut which works flawlessly on my depressor Hight sights. I have no complaints I recently upgraded from a Cyelee Calf 2 the lite weight is a plus and the quality is like Nite and Day .Great Vedie Bro......
Thank you for the video. I’d been considering both. One thing I noticed the venom has a bluish lens and the Burris appears more clear to me. As a side note the vortex has too much large writing. Looks like a nascar. What sights are on your Glock?
Nice, thorough comparison of the 2 RDS's I'm considering for my shotgun. I'm leaning towards the Vortex for the slightly wider window. I'm still on the fence regarding which dot size, 3 MOA or 6 MOA, would be better for target shooting with a shotgun at a range of 15-to-50-yards max.
I have the Burris Fast Fire 3 on a Glock 23 MOS Gen 5. Really like it so far. Almost tried a Sig 1, but I already have a Sig Romeo Zero on a Ruger 57. I wanted a really light optic for that one & it works well after a small modification to the mounting plate.
I don't think it will help you since the red dot will potentially be off from your iron sights, I would practice with both independently and not rely on one to find the other. Thank you and cheers!
Nice Review! I bought the vortex venom from Optics planet and when I received it the elevation adjustment would not work at all. Not to mention the clicks are not very noticeable so it's hard to tell when you're doing one click as opposed to two or three clicks. What is your experience with that comparing both of them? Now to give vortex a fair review I did purchase another venom for a rifle and it seem to work fine adjusting it to zero. I was trying to decide between the Burris and purchasing another Venom for a Ruger mk 3 hunter. They Burris seems to be older technology as compared to the Vortex. Still on the fence. Thanks for the review
Thank you very much and great question! They are both good optics. I've had great luck with the vortex. To be fair, the Burris did have to be returned twice... once because of me and once because of the optic itself. But, they do both function just fine. I do prefer vortex however. Cheers!
I'm thinking of ordering the Burris III , 2 things I noticed in your video, first the Burris had a glare shield not a protective cover (Vortex) that's why their was a lens you took out, it helps in bright sunlight, second the Burris has a lifetime no ?'s or receipt needed money back or replacement guarantee that is transferable to however many people own it, that you didn't mention?
Thanks for the side by side comparison, I've been looking at both of these for a red dot to put on my glocks. I like them both so I guess I still have a tuff decision, also do you think the vortex would hold up to the recoil of an M1A1 ?
I have a really cheap red dot on my 556AR at a 45 angle kicked off under the scope on the side and it’s holding up well can kick the rifle to its side and use the red dot or straighten out and look through the scope at it is holding up well
So... now that this video has been out for a while. Which one would you recommend? I’m in the same boat as you and my eyesight is fading slightly. I’ve never shot a red dot and hate to spent a ton of money on a Trijicon right off the bat. Great video as usual!
This was an awesome look at both of these dots, thanks! I was looking to mount a FF3 on my Beretta 92FS as a dorky project, as Burris is the only company who makes a mount for the 92. But you're telling me the FF3 and Venom use the same mount?! I have a new Venom on hand, so learning this makes me pretty hype. So, on both your Glock & Canik, they both attach using the same scews/holes/mounting pegs, all in the same dimensions?
Thanks for the comments and questions! The FFIII, Venom, and Viper all use the same mounting plates on most guns as the screw hole dimensions are the same. As for the screws, you may have to play around with those though I would start with the screws I cover in my original MOS build video. I can't remember the specs off the top of my head. You can find any of those types of screws on Amazon which makes it pretty easy. Hope that helps! Cheers
KSGunGuy 01 That's awesome, I'll check your vid out. I'm just glad that I won't have to buy another $200 red dot, vs just needing to get the right screws lol. Wouldn't have found this out without ya, thanks much
Do your sights on the mos with the fast fire 3 co witness? If so what sights are you using because I have the same setup and can't find suppressor height sights that are tall enough to line up over the rear of the fast fire since its taller than other red dots.
Great question! Yes they do. The Dawson precision.395 and .495 sights both co-witness very well. I'd recommend the .395 as the taller really look oddly tall. Thank you and cheers!
Roger that. I'll go ahead and mount my Vortex Viper onto my Glock 10mm (non-milled slide, dove-tail mount set up), run it through a few hundred rounds, then report back.
I know both of these RD sights have auto off feature, but when the weapon is moved / raised to the target do either of these have the motion activated on feature?
Old comment and I see you didn’t get a reply, so - no there is no motion on feature, the auto off feature kicks in after 14hrs so you just leave it on when carrying.
I have read several reviews which complain about difficulty with the battery cover. Seems it's difficult to get started and avoid cross threading. Any comment on either one in this regard?
I have the Burris and the battery cover is awful. I actually had to loctite it down because it would back itself out and launch the cover and battery out during firing mild 9mm subsonics. There’s not enough threads on the cap and it’s soft aluminum. Torquing it down hard enough to try to keep it in place without loctite has really damaged the surface of the cover. I wish they’d just make the battery housing out of steel
Thanks for your video! Considering the Burris, but now the Vortex also. Just gonna put them on my Ruger .22 pistol. Move out of KS last year, but did shoot down at Frontier twice, and it was very nice. Too bad I wasn't still there, would have been neat to meet another YTer. As this vid is more than a year old now, are both still working well for you? Thanks.
Next time do a review on the Nikon P-Tactical Spur Red Dot Sight 3 MOA which is completely waterproof and priced extremely reasonable but only comes with 5 yr warranty... :(
My Venom crapped out on my Glock 17 MOS. It just runs constantly thru the flash 2 off flash 3 off and repeat. I made a video about it yesterday because I had recommended it. I didn't want to throw a link to it up on your channel. I subbed you.
That sucks that it crapped out on you. Have you contacted Vortex? Their service is very good as is their warranty. Hopefully you can get it sorted out! Cheers
KSGunGuy I have talked to them when I needed screws to mount it on the MOS. They were super nice. I'm sure they will fix me up. I just hate to take it off and send it back. Thank you so much for your reply. Swing by sometimes. Uncle Dan out!
any difference in the maximum brightness settings? I currently have a burris and have been considering switching to a vortex because the burris can be hard to find in very sunny conditions.
RacerX AKA Joel thanks for the great question! The Vortex may be slightly brighter at its maximum setting but not by much. If you can co witness, I'd rely on that in those conditions if you can. May be easier. Cheers!
I got both the Vortex sights and the Venom came defective and the Viper was impossible to dial up. So I’m now going to buy the Burris and see how that goes
I have both, Burris replace my 10 year's old Fast Fire I to FF III no charge. great customer service 8 day turn around time, door to door. But I do like the Venom better with different level of brightness setting and battery life.
Own the Sig P320 rx with the Romeo 1.The Romeo 1 is the worst optic out there.Ive been waiting for over 2 months for Sig to fix it.Battery dies every 2 days.And the battery cap is so fragile, must use cheap plastic tool which doesn't tighten Romeo 1 enough to work.Will sell gun as soon as I receive Romeo 1 back.
I purchased the Fastfire. I looked at the Venom and all the various functions vs Fastfire 3. Being a Glock guy I like simplicity and I don’t like all the Vortex graphics all over the sight. I hate advertising on something I purchase and not a name dropper. I have other Vortex products like them and their service. They didn’t get my money because of their gaudy graphics.
Thanks for the question! I think it all comes down to what you are shooting. The larger the dot, the harder it is to shoot at long distances. I prefer the smaller dot just in case I do any longer range competitions. Cheers!
I'm planning on shooting USPSA carry optics. Most of the shots are fairly close. I've never used a red dot on a handgun. It was hard to decide between 3 and 6 MOA. Glad to hear you like the venom!
Yes, the bolt holes are the same. As for the fitment, the screw holes will line up but you may want to research the other dimensions of the two optics to make sure they are the same. Cheers
I like shooting the 320 and want a Red Dot, but I've read too many negative reviews of the Romeo1. Sig offers plates for Docter, Leuopold, and Trijicon, but availability of less expensive optics like the Venom is not addressed.
Good video. I have a Fastfire III. I am not a Vortex guy, but I'm about to buy either a Viper or Venom, so I've watched a few of your videos. Very helpful. Especially since I already have the Burris to compare to. Good side by side shots which is what people want. Window size comparison and commentary on all of the key aspects. Good video. Still on the fence over the Viper or Venom. Will have to go shoot my Burris some more and see if I lose the dot more laterally or vertically. That will be the deciding factor on the two Vortex offerings. Wider view vs. taller view. Who are the 12 douches that gave thumbs down? Why?
Thank you Andy! I think you'll like either one and they are really built well. I admit, I prefer the Venom but the Viper is a bit smaller which can be a real advantage. As for the thumbs down, it is what it is, lol. Cheers brother!
They both have auto off feature, but do they have auto on? The Vortex Venom does not. Why does no one talk about this? It's really important! If you pull your gun out in a home defense situation and seconds count and you have to fumble around to find a little button on the side to turn on your red dot (if you even remember that you have to turn it on first), that's simply not a good look. It could get you killed. That's why I'm returning my Vortex tomorrow.
I just picked up the Burris for $190, I wanted the Venom but it was $229 still and it was on backorder. So I might pick the Vortex later, but for $40 savings i don't mind the Burris at all. It's going on my Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Tactical. I'm also waiting for Dead Air Mask can to get approve so i'll have to shoot it with ear plugs for now.
