Wacom Cintiq Pro 17 Review 

same specially if mainly use for aniamtion dont need that color accuracy and other stuff, replace my cintiq and intous with huion just because i want a high reso pen display dont want to buy a cintiq pro to expensive

Does Huion have decent on screen customizable menus like Wacom?

Wacom is still worth it; if it's a business subsidy, otherwise nope. I do like the sunk cost cope indie artist whom paid the wacom tax though: That Huion/XP Pen still use batteries, lack tilt, lack laminated etched glass displays; have inferior digitisers, lack touch, don't have felt nibs, or whatever Je ne sais quoi placebo to ease their minds.... Used my Huion Kamvas pro 24 heavily since 2021,was a dirt cheap tablet for a laminated glass 2k display: Glass is still matte with zero wear polish; so even in build quality Wacom isn't gapping either.

@anasevi9456 they have battery free pen for like 5 years now , even the cheapest models, and everything above 80$ have pentilt on both xp pen and huion

​​@@anasevi9456Almost everything you said about that is wrong on those brands except for the touch on most models and even that isn't true.

So it's a photoshop problem.

Yeah. The smoothing turned off and the smoothing at 0% are not the same thing. The smoothing turned on and at 0% is still doing some interpolations, it's just not amplifying the interpolation strength. You can test by doing an acute curved line (like a U turn) very fast. With smoothing off it'll have some "steps". I've also noticed that the mouse has different length steps than the tablet's pen, probably due to difference in polling rate. Also smoothing completely off is faster in performance than smoothing on and at 0%, but it's almost negligible.

for 2500 bucks cintiq had better make a photoshop competitor that can take the art in my mind and f!%king draw it for me while i sleep

Clip Studio does not have this issue. all lines are beautiful :D it's photoshop.. not getting its $#!^ together in the last decade. gazillion of ppl asked them to fix it on adobe platform/forums. zero attention, lol. (...)

I mean even if you are working off commisions and are good at your job the price of this is not cost prohibitive. You can use it as a tax write-off. The question is will it make you more efficient or allow you to take additional jobs. I personally just don't see it being useful. You have worse aRGB gamut than the 16. While it supports HDR its not even HDR 400 certified which means you still need a second reference monitor. As for hobbyist, buy whatever you want. It's not about value it's about having fun. If you have fun with the cheaper alternatives that is great. If you want to have top of the line stuff and can affored it go for it. I get annoyed at unsuccessful so called "self-employed" artist being like this is too expensive or not for "self-employed" artists.

I still don't get why they price the 17 as high as it is, it's not in a good place considering true professionals will choose 20 inch plus screen sizes anyway, while the 17 is still too expensive for the rest of the mid-range professional market, I mean even compared to their own previous Pro 16 from 2021 this is ridiculously overpriced, an extra $900 don't really get you much other than double the refresh rate and brightness, with 1.7 inch extra screen size and built in touch gestures; even adjusting for inflation it is still only slightly less than $700 more expensive than the Pro 16, so I don't see why professionals will not just get the Pro 16 instead, a $2000 price point would have made way more sense compared to both the Pro 16 below and the Pro 22 above. I would say the 17 inch is the worse in terms of value out of the 3 sizes, because when you consider a Pro 24 touch will cost around $3300 today if we adjusted it's launch price for inflation, the 27 inch that cost $3500 and the 22 inch that cost $3000 suddenly doesn't look that bad at all of a deal consider all the new features like high refresh rate, high brightness, high color gamut, and better color accuracy you got on the two new models, the 17 inch just look completely out of place with it's $900 extra over the Pro 16, especially when it even have worse Adobe RGB coverage than the 16, it feels like that it is there to upsale you to a 22 or 27, instead of being a competitive product itself.

@@dpptd30 So I don't like this product but I know people that this would be a good solution for. A portable second display for the semi-pro who doesn't like being stuck at his or her desk or someone who doesn't have desk space. You are a 3D animator that has to work at different frame rates. There are a lot of use cases. I have friends who are 3D animators who love using these. The fact that they can work at 24 and 30 frames per second makes it worth it to them. Also by it being small, it's easy for them to have a keyboard because they have an absurd number of hotkeys and macros. I still think it's not a great value but there are a lot of different types of artists and what might seem nonsensical to one group seems reasonable to another.

Yeah...that price and overkill of a spec might as well be sold solely for industrial use

It felt like my heart literally skipped a beat when I heard that price. And I had already read your comment.

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I can kind of understand. As Brad alluded to in the video, the new Cintiq Pro models seem to be aimed at the likes of professional design and animation studios. To add to that, I think that includes studios already using high-end Wacom products. However, some 'behind the scenes' videos I've seen suggest to me that they buy them and use them for many years before replacing them when they replace their PCs, monitors, etc, so like roughly 5-8 years. For example, two videos I've seen from different animation studios both had their respective character designers using Photoshop on Cintiq 22HDs. Addendum: the studios would likely also frequently run manual colour calibrations on their displays used in the production of their visual content. Addendum 2: Xencelabs Pen Display 24 and similar models from other brands are still options for those who don't need extreme colour accuracy, high resolutions, etc. I've also seen articles online that point to running manual colour calibrations on existing displays.

@@kbhasi I hear you, but I still think Wacom is way overcharging here. Of course I know lots of teams will stick with what they know because it works well and is reliable. And I feel Wacom is counting on that here to be honest. To your second Addendum, the Xencelabs is the same quality panel….nothing Wacom has here is particularly extraordinary in terms of panel specs. (As far as I can tell) Pantone and Skintone certified, P3, 4K….this is a familiar panel. And it’s a quality one at that. I used a 27QHD during the first 3 years of my career, and frankly the panel was pretty lousy especially in terms of red. I also used the 22HD briefly around the same time, and it was also a fairly inaccurate display at the time…markedly worse than the 27QHD. And they kept that spec for years and years at a premium price. Of course this one is better than those two, but Wacom has dragged their feet for years when it comes to the quality of the image and now passed the cost onto the customer. This simply is not a $2,500 value (3K for 22”) without the stand even. Gotta spend money to make money, I know. But creative pros need to call these companies out for these sort of pricing practices. To move from the Pro 16 previously (which Brad recommends) to 17 has Wacom saying a price jump of 1,000 dollars is appropriate even though the panel is of no higher spec than the $1,800 competitor just doesn’t check out. Wacom is acting like they’re the only game in town. Which in 2023 simply isn’t true.

Same. IMO they should’ve just kept all the technical details the same across the board BUT offer the new cintiq in different sizes for those that don’t want a large display or a small display. The price definitely warrants that.

absolutely!!!!

Small bezels is a bit of a downgrade for sure... Not sure who they are trying to sell these to lol.

I actually like the idea of smaller bezels and am okay with the lack of an eraser. The smaller bezels make them look and feel more modern and less outdated. If I wanted a display tablet that was a bigger size like this one, Id look for those features. Doesnt mean Id pay $2500 for a bunch of other stuff I dont need and wont use tho lol, which is why Huion's new 19 inch display tablet would be better

I read about light leak from another review. Do you notice that on the edges? Thanks

@@charliemartian8720 I didn’t notice any light leaking, but I do have some issues with the touch not being as responsive as my iPad. Also, the palm rejection is not the best either I tend to get stray marks all over my artwork, but I have to go back and clean up. Sometimes it’s best for me just to turn off the touch altogether if I’m drawing in a specific area, I do think I should’ve probably waited to buy the Wacom 27in. I think I was expecting it to be more responsive. Drawing on it is great though, it’s the touch feature I was really going for and I was a bit disappointed.

For the price, it would indeed make more sense if it had better contrast ratio and higher peak brightness for HDR. Like this it's overpriced considering they added $1k to the price and didn't improve much compared to the previous gen (just a new pen and different design basically).

I'm using the xp pen artist 13.3 pro. I paid 250 to 300 USD. And I tell you that I don't regret it.

@@emmanuelkordah7335 What computer do you use to go along with it?

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Yes just don’t screw in the top cap.

Not gonna lie, as a professional artist that has the great pleasure of using the Cintiq Pro line at the office, I still use the Kamvas 24 Plus as my main daily driver from home and it absolutely ticks all the boxes I personally need. Buying a Cintiq Pro as a hobbyist is straight up overkill and not worth the money. I'm not trying to shame you for your purchase lol, if you feel its worth the money then thats great! But I would consider stepping it maybe down a notch until you REALLY need all those advanced features. Because I honestly don't, and I got the comparison between the products every day :D

I had the older 24 Cintiq with lower screen res. I heard that there is a lot of fan noise and that the multi-touch is not so great. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

@@charliemartian8720 the Multi Touch is somewhat hit or miss, sometimes it works great, and sometimes it gets really wonky. I honestly turned it off on all Wacom devices because I can't risk a wonky missinput letting me draw on the wrong layer for half an hour haha. I personally never encountered much fan noise, it's there, but it's not super distracting. I usually listen to music while working, helps me to kinda get into the zone, and it never bothered me.

I agree, as I've seen older Wacom pen tablets and displays for sale on my local online classifieds. I've even seen relatively recent 'behind the scenes' videos from some animation studios where some of the employees can be seen using Cintiq 22HDs (though the studios would likely replace them with newer models as part of an IT upgrade that includes replacing PCs, monitors, etc), and I do remember watching an Instagram video from one of my favourite freelance comic artists where he was seen using a Cintiq 21UX.

This price tag is only for wealthy and rich people. Not everybody. Instead of focusing on affordable technology, these greedy folks only care about money and think they can allow themselves to raise the price just for a few additional colors and 4k resolution. Wacom is a scam at this point.

not for me, it's just not worth the price premium new or used. I bought an older Huion kamvas pro 24 for $500 almost 3 years ago; and I love it because it has the same super durable build quality of my old Cintiq 22HD, with the very nice scrolling strips of my original Cintiq 12WX, and has the modern laminated and etched glass higher res screen of modern tablets. Even have felt nibs. Am biased though as my last wacom was a 2017 Cintiq 16 pro; and honestly that tablet was a dumpsterfire, super hot, screechy fan, buggy 4k support; bad touch recognition.

Felt the same, im from Argentina. Notice that not only the prices are doubled or tripled but also the general earning here is low so it felt like x4 the price.

Hi. I got Artist 16 Pro Gen 2 (upgrade from Wacom Cintiq 16 (2019). It's great drawing device. It can draw nice diagonal lines in Clip Studio but not in Photoshop cause you will see some slight wobble with default smoothing turned on. Depends on what kind of drawing that you're aiming for, it best for character designs, frame to frame animations and other casual drawings. I noticed the colors are warmer or more "reddish" (like skin color) than what I saw in monitor and I can't adjust that unfortunately. What differs from Cintiq 16 2019 is the screen lamination from Cintiq is thicker like 2mm compare to Artist 16 Pro about 1mm or less. The less lamination means the less pen Parallax effect you will be seeing. The old Cintiq is heavier and thicker than XpPen.

@@siew2738 Can you tell me if you purchased directly from the XPPen website, did the import from China go smoothly and within the expected time frame? I know that the Cintiq 16 is already an old product with 4 years of launch, and that it loses in all technical specifications to the Artist Pro 16 Gen2 that has just been launched. But I still have doubts between the two because it is Wacom, and from most reviews it seems to be a very reliable and long-lasting product. Do you feel like you've really upgraded or is there an element that you liked more in the Cintiq16?

I work most with 3D and ZBrush using a Wacom Bamboo, but I want a Pen Display precisely to be able to do LineArt when working with illustration in Photoshop, so the point you mentioned about the wobble would be a problem, but I wouldn't be able to go for a Cintiq Pro at this moment because the budget, and that's why I'm between these two options. Sorry for the long text hehe, and once again thank you very much for your answer @@siew2738

@@Flyyyyy- Hi. Cause I'm from Malaysia, buying from Lazada's XPPen Malaysia Store (ready stock) only takes 5 days to deliver. Bought it during the 11.11 sale, it cost about MYR1983(USD423). Pretty affordable than Wacom's 😊 I wasn't sure about how the XPPen will perform in long term, but I'm sure that it requires more powerful pc/laptop hardware to draw on 300dpi A4 canvas cause I noticed few seconds line lagging from the pen. Performance wise are mostly the same and I don't missed much from Cintiq 16 2019 just the slow diagonal lines. It's personal preference though. The grease/sweat marks on XPPen screen are harder to wipe it out with damp cloth. Looks like permanent I think😅

Hi @@siew2738 Thank you very much for your detailed answer. I'm really appreciate. I´m was looking for reviews from people who actually bought the Artist Pro 16 Gen2. It's even better that it comes from someone who had the Cintiq 16, which is the Pen Display that I'm trying to decide between which one to buy

In some countries is available the huion kamvas rds 220 22 inch 2.5k . Check if it is on the market in your country. Not in Italy where I live, I got kamvas 24 plus last year

I'd like to know as well.

And also if it's possible to change the brightness of the screen without going through a menu that takes 10 seconds to load...

Besides the ridiculous price, that is what turns me off from Wacom´s most recent iteration of the Cintiq line: The narrow bezels. I really believe the previous 32 and 24 Pros (and the older 27 QHD as well) were ideal.

Tablet pro has done extensive reviews on asus flow z13 and x16 (has vids here on yt). The asus pen has bad jitter. Using the surface slim pen 2 will improve the drawing experience but that also has jitter. The major issues are build quality, poor battery life and the possibility of crashing with asus if you look at buyer reviews from different sellers. You can find another useful review by tablet79 (korean but has a eng sub yt vid review on it).

I own the 27 and never hear the fan. Have you tried a firmware upgrade?

@@greggoryburt7919 the new Pro 27? It’s a very common issue just read any review

@@greggoryburt7919 I have an older 27 QHD, looking to upgrade to the 27 Pro and I'm also worried about the fans, or excessive heat. My 27QHD stays mostly pretty cool, and there are no fans at all.

no

"I keep paying overpriced stuff because Wacom has the monopoly on top of the line stuff, but it's ok because my income is gigantic"

I'm considering again getting Wacom. I had my first display tablet 7 years ago and it only gets hot. It still works perfectly. Alone for the longevity I think getting a Wacom is worth it. I don't want to get an iPad simply because I despise apple.

@@LinLinvy nailed it.

The 4K display power spec is more than that implementation of USB-C. It isnt Thunderbolt or USB4 is the problem.

@@creativeunoriginals5173 🤯💀

Ah, yea, I dont think many will need color accuracy to this level at all, but I agree, refresh rate helps a ton. I wonder if there are any competing in this aspect, is it just wacom? (not counting android based tablets, just desktop screen tablets)

@@gmcubed Well, Huion and XP Pen are seemingly the two biggest competitors when it comes to pen displays. But to my knowledge only the iPad Pro has a refresh rate of 120Hz. Huion's and XP Pen's best and largest pen displays all have 60Hz (I think), which Wacom also did not too long ago. Both Huion and XP Pen will probably have their own 120Hz versions out soon enough. As soon as that happens it will all be a matter of who can offer the best price and Wacom will not be able to compete with them. I think both Huion and XP Pen are Chinese so, Wacom will have to focus on other features to keep their lead. Features most of us aren't really interested in I think.

The 120hz is pointless for drawing. You still get a drawing delay because it is not cause by refresh rate.

@@maidoll_fei I think it's a combo of both os and hardware. Not all of it is in refresh rate, but certainly some of it.

​@@gmcubed I am using 27pro. I can tell you there is almost no difference compare to old 24HD on brush/drawing delay. It is great for watching video or gaming (a monitor for everything). The problem on 17pro is why it choose reflesh rate over color range. No one going to gaming on that small screen. or it should able to do 120hz + 95% adobe rgb for that price

And or Flow z13

I have one. It's a really nice tablet. 2.5k at 22' is perfect for me, colours are good enough (they look different on my Mac/ iPad though). It's bright enough, the included stand is good, the Huion Slim pen is nice, the felt nibs feel great, and it has an etched glass screen instead of a matte film. The pen doesn't feel quite as good as the Cintiq or Apple pens, which feel more responsive and more accurate but this is good enough. A ton of cable clutter though, Bec even if you connect via the fully featured USB C cable, you still have to use the hydra HDMI usb a cable for power as there's no separate cable for just power. Means a lot of wire mess.

would you please provide the brand and model? I appreciate it. : )@@Cyndakip

where can it be purchased? Ohhh I so hate the "hydra" cable and poor connector placement location on so many of these devices. Thanks for the response. Much appreciated@@Cyndakip

@@charliemartian8720 got mine from Amazon India, since that's where I live. I don't know if it's available in other regions. Good tablet, but cable management is a mess

Yeah, when he claimed that it was "a REALLY nice stand" all I could think was 'For 500 bucks I'd hope so, that thing better be able to stand up off the table and give you a damn back massage for that price'.

I know right pls lol, I rather have a pen tablet 😂