Walksnail Whoop vTX even lighter! Is it enough? // AVATAR MINI LITE VTX REVIEW

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00:00:00 - The biggest down-side of digital video systems
00:01:40 - Walksnail's vTX for 1S micro quads!
00:02:16 - Barebones camera saves additional weight
00:03:05 - USB plug is different between large and small vTX
00:03:37 - Why does mine have a heat spreader?
00:03:51 - Weight comparison
00:05:13 - Linear whip antenna vs. Circular Polarized
• The weird relationship... - How did I know that 3 dB = 1.4x range?
00:07:31 - Walksnail stock antennas are bad! Replace them if you can!
00:08:23 - Camera FOV comparison
00:10:37 - Specs and features
• 1080p FPV video. Only ... - My original review of the (not "lite") 1S vTX
• Best video link for mi... - How does the weight of this vTX affect how the micro quad flies?

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@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Is this light enough to really compete against HDZero in the 65mm Whoop class? Yes or no!

@tomlawrence5437 Год назад

Nick burns said Walksnail told him it’s ok to remove the IHS on new lite one but not for the original 1s SOC. It isn’t coming removed from factory it seems, so if you remove that it would be another gram removed?

@RebelGoatFPV Год назад

I'd say No. Not only because of the weight, but the fixed low latency of HDZero is ideal for a 65mm whoop that will likely be flown in tight spaces indoors IMO.

@recifestargazer2192 Год назад

I removed mine ihs. That alone shaved 1.5g. That ihs heavy

@cedricgrandseigne Год назад

None of them is good enough for 1s whoop to be fair: the weight penalty on both implies low flight time and battery life. But the most annoying thing, is that the HDzero board reboots as soon as voltage drop under 2.90v: that can seem low, but when you hit something, the pids accelerate the motor, and voltage drops for a few ms , and you get a black screen. This happens on normal batteries like gnbs, it doesn't with high end ones like tattu, Nectar,...

@terrysahaidak Год назад

check their website, they have it removed on all the renders, also they tinkered something in the firmware so it's safe. it works fine in my case just the vtx overheats faster when you're not flying. but the rate is kinda the same as with some small analog vtx.

@chip23 Год назад

Im so thankfull for your Videos I learn so much with those Informations. (Im New in FPV btw). You take your Time to help me on Discord even if I had the dumbest questions ever. I appriciate that so much ! You deserve to be the Biggest FPV Tech RU-vidr worldwide ! Thank you so much !!!!

@MasterApeFPV Год назад

Mine finally arrived yesterday! Cant wait to test it

@BladeFPV Год назад

Love your vids

@zachmachina Год назад

I have both the 1s v2 and a 1s lite. Both direct from Caddx. The VTX’s on both are identical. Only difference is the heatsink is removed on the lite. So compared to what you have, the bigger vtx is completely gone. The smaller vtx you have is now paired with the larger camera. And the smaller camera has the same vtx but with no heatsink. Also, it’s worth noting that the smaller camera works with the caddx mounting bracket. I used the mounting bracket that came with a baby ratel 2 and the hardware and was able to attach it to this walksnail camera. Added about 0.3g but put mounting holes on the side. I need to find my spare Hdzero canopy to see if it fits that. Unfortunately, it didn’t really fit the Mobula 6 canopy as the camera is too big to sit far enough forward for the mounting holes to align. If you don’t use the mounting bracket and you have the vtx without a heatsink and don’t factor in antennas (the one that comes with the lite kit, despite being linear, is extremely heavy), Walksnail is only about 0.6g heavier than HDZero by my scale readings (although there’s some room for error there). I don’t have an Hdzero 1s kit that’s not in a build, so I based it off of Chris Rosser’s weights he reported. He reported the exact same weight for walksnail as my scale got when we weighed the same parts. So I weighed mine again but with a lighter dipole and only got 0.6g heavier than his reported weight for HDZero. Weight wise, walksnail has gotten very competitive! A

@peterthepumpkineater6363 Год назад

Top video JB.

@llamanator214 Год назад

Lovely as always. Will you be reviewing the VRX as well?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Yes.

@ChrisHarmon1 Год назад

My scale reads 6.64g on the newest HDZero whoop lite VTX, Camera and MIPI cable NO wires. With the included wires HDZero weighs 7.64g and this is after I remove the RF/heat shields. Add 2.04g for the stock shields and we are at 9.68g for HDZero. Of course most will remove the stock shields on both units if you are really worried about weight so at that point both units end up within 1 gram of each other.

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Interesting analysis. They're closer than it seems, if you remove the heat shields.

@carbonfire1247 Год назад

I was wondering about the weight with wires since this one has wires soldered on. 2ish grams is a much more reasonable difference. You can save a little more weight on either system by using enamel/magnet wire too.

@anthonyfpvminiquad1728 Год назад

On hdzero I actually get amazing range on my linear antenna setup which I always found odd. Gonna try a lightweight cp tho!

@orchid7217 Год назад

I hope you review the walksnail VRX soon. And you mixed something up at 9:12 you are talking about the non lite vtx but the writing says lite. Exactly the same for the real lite one 😉. Overall nice video though.

@ivyxiang9686 Год назад

The version we actually shipped has the heat sink removed and is even1.5g lighter, the totally weight of camera+vtx+antenna only 8.5g.

@chibikaiju922 Год назад

Great review Joshua. Interesting comment about the Walksnail antenna quality, do you know if these are the same antennas that Caddx has been shipping with all their DJI vista kits since the polar came out? The new vista (and link) antennas look identical to the walksnail ones but i'd be surprised that DJI would give a thumbs up to including crappy antennas with their air unit lites.

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Personally I haven't noticed any issue with the Caddx antennas shipped with their air units. It does seem logical that they would be the same, but I don't know.

@chibikaiju922 Год назад

@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks for the response! I never noticed the new vista antennas to be bad but I do swap them out for truerc singularities on builds that may be pushing range.

@imothy Год назад

if you run the dipole on the whoop VTX instead of the LHCP, would it help to put all linear antennas on the goggle VRX side too? Or does digital only really work well over LHCP?

@CDRaff Год назад

Don't circular polarized signals change direction when they bounce? Meaning that unless you are extremely lucky with multipath bounces the polarization of the antenna will lose nearly all it's advantages.

@boominfree7408 Год назад

Joshua have you checked out the new RTH on BF 4.4

@adee737 Год назад

The Caddx site now shows a lite unit with no heatsink on it and shows the weight being 6.9 grams (VTX and camera). That's very close to HDZero, looks like I'm going walksnail when I can afford it.

@ryangay5938 Год назад

The face foam your using on your goggles in this video caught my attention. Where is it from ??? I love how thick it is . HA HA #need new foam Thank you. to anyone who knows point me in the right direction my eyelashes rub on the lenses it kinda sucks

@scu-dub Год назад

I was skeptical at first because of the vtx from walksnail and vista's but I am pulling the trigger on the hd zero goggs!!!!!! I'm so stoke!!!!!!!!!!!! I can finally put up my ev800dms lol my first true kick @$$ goggs .....

@richardcarpenter2348 Год назад

Hi Josh, Great content!!! I subscribed last night. I am just getting into the hobby. I kind of jumped in pretty hard core. I got an Inspire 1 V2.0 for $500. What do you think of the solid mounting carbon fiber props from XOAR for Inspire 1? They come in a straight prop and a folding prop. I want to buy one of the two but was thinking your opinion might be nice. Thank you for doing what you're doing.

@flamepygmy Год назад

What is the weight of the new VTX w/o the FC cable attached? (in the weight comparison for the old one the USB cable wasn't attached, for the new one it was attached)

@MCsCreations Год назад

Awesome review, Joshua! Thanks! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@ChrisHarmon1 Год назад

I just got mine today directly from Caddx via FEDEX. The box is smaller and actually says 1s lite kit. My kit straight out of box has no lid and weighs 7.82g with VTX, MIPI, CAM and stock length of wire. After removing the thermal paste(guess they pulled lid off?), stickers and connector end I wont be using it weighs 7.78g which is about 0.2g heavier then my HDZero whoop lite with VTX, MIPI, CAM and wire. Forgot to mention the new kits from Caddx are $89 vs HDZero at $99. Price wars!

@EbrFPV Год назад

Hey Joshua. Searched your channel and fpvknowitall for good antenna’s to replace the shitty walksnail antenna, couldn’t find. What aftermarket antenna’s would you recommend? Would be great if they have the same diameter, so they would fit my antenna holder. Thanks

@BombowaKunaFPV Год назад

Im courious abaut that recomendation. That statement got me worried and its mine first hd system so I would like to experience all the best. Also I was wondering can I change the antenas on the vtx an the vrx to rhcp? They should work fine, there is nothing more to worry abaut, right?

@moneyappsonline Год назад

Hello, I am going to buy an Fpv drone soon and wanted to ask how it is if I live next to the train where there is an overhead power line. Is there any signal interference? Would use ELRS 2.4GHz. thanks in advance

@tomsop Год назад

I was hoping to be pointed to a better LHCP antenna for this size of VTX - any suggestions? Overall great review and appreciated the points you made in the video.

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Axii micro.

@tomsop Год назад

@@JoshuaBardwell thank you - does not look like that will work - the vtx uses an ipex connection - the micro axii comes in all other flavors than that one. In fact - hard to find any other ipex solution.

@skree_fpv436 Год назад

@@tomsop You would want to get an antenna with the ufl connector. Ipex and ufl are basically the same thing. The TrueRC Singularity is a really good light weight antenna as well as the Lumenier Micro Axii 2. They are both made by TrueRC.

@chibikaiju922 Год назад

I personally think the TrueRC singularity lite antennas are the best possible choice. Super performance and lighter than the supplied antenna too! The U.FL ones will work fine on an Ipex connector.

@MouwDown Год назад

I really think the ws vtx would be great in a 3" toothpick.

@dabfpv Год назад

Caddx in the last batch of their Vistas adds WS antennas and no one said they were bad. The same antennas in the Walksnail kit are suddenly of poor quality? Can someone explain it to me?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

I mean, I haven't said they were bad because I haven't bought a Vista in a little while so I haven't experienced them. I say the WS antennas are bad because I tested them and got very bad results, then Alex Greve of Video Aerial Systems put them on his RF analyzer and said they were very bad.

@nevilhthornton 9 месяцев назад

Hi Boss ... Is there a tutorial showing how to wire a 1s walksnail vtx to a 2s whoop ??

@JoshuaBardwell 9 месяцев назад

Need a 5v regulator.

@seanconnolly2179 Год назад

This really confuses me because that heat shield is heavy being over 1 gram , others that got this version reported all up weight of like 8 ish grams ?

@BMWS14turbo Год назад

Avatar vrx and Mini 1s Kit arrived Today my Mini 1s Kit bring's Together the Camara with the mounting holes the vtx with the direct soldered cables and small Firmware Plug and the big antenna seems Like they quit with the First vtx

@Sfpv1994 Год назад

Great Video, What Foam-Pad are you using on your Fatsharks?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

It's the DJI foam sold by Newbeedrone. It doesn't fit perfectly but it squeezes in ok.

@justinlantz7523 Год назад

They need to make a damn fit kit for these. It fucking blows to have $600 goggles with patchwork foam pads to fit your (and mine) face. These were made for flat face blockheads.

@LukeRT Год назад

Can you change goggles antenna to right hand and put a right hand on drone as well?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Yes you can.

@RECK_Adventures Год назад

Removing the on-board dvr would probably help with weight too.

@alvestecnologia4429 Год назад

It seams to me, when you shows the footage on the bench, you have the labels on the image switched-back, you have see that the label on the image is not the "same" as on the vtx case on the image.

@Tutexx Год назад

Hoping you review the hdzero goggles soon

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

I have to receive them first. :-(

@Tutexx Год назад

@@JoshuaBardwell well, fingers crossed you get them soon. Can’t wait to see what you think 👍🏻

@MadDragon75 Год назад

Has anyone in the comments used both left hand and right hand polarization on a 2 VTX build? Every time I look at the back of a race day quads business card I'm thinking.. what would happen if you set the Left turn ant. receiver all the way on the Left end of the spectrum and the right-handed receiver mapped all the way on the right-handed end of the spectrum of frequencies. Would you still end up with tvi interference?

@MadDragon75 Год назад

I just thought it would be cool if I was flying and I wanted to see what was behind me I could just set my turtle mode switch function to only switch between the front and rear camera of my quadcopter in flight. That way I don't have to turn around... and then when I land on the ground with the motors are not moving then the TM Sw is back to regular turtle mode. 🐢+ VTX📷 one switch.

@fpvforever Год назад

my board does not have the heat spreader

@FATSNAIL-FPV Год назад

Avatar HD Mini 1S Lite KIT box in view, but you say and show text that it's the older 'NON-LITE" version...??? now I'm confused. Maybe some flight footage (outside) next? I fly the normal full size Avatar VTX's on a Fatshark goggle and the image is fine since the new firmware, but kinda interested in the Mini/1S cam footage. It's winter.... erm rain season in Holland so, pretty much confined to indoor flying. The 1S vtx's would fit my race 5", but maaaaaybe that'll get the HDZ treatment (it's analog, and I'm SO done with analog now..) or this 1S Avatar VTX trough 5V and be done.

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

The box and voice over is correct. Flight footage is in the video referenced at the very end.

@FATSNAIL-FPV Год назад

@@JoshuaBardwell damnit is missed the last part. Good vid as always!

@RECK_Adventures Год назад

Can this be run with no FC for a very small fixed wing? If so, is there any way to change channels?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

It should work without an FC if you turn temperature protection off. Changing channels is done through the goggles.

@CriticoolHit 5 месяцев назад

You have to add the cable to the other one for a fair comparison. you're saving more than "just a gram"

@cedricgrandseigne Год назад

Nick Burns weigh it at 7,87g, and his board has no heatsink, how comes the board is different from one review to another? And what is the final product in the end?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

I think the no-heatsink one is the one they intend to ship. I have no idea why mine had a heat sink.

@MrTimmyGT Год назад

I put mine in the same exact quad 😆

@johnkurpiewski3996 Год назад

Whoop whoop !

@MysteryD Год назад

9:32 Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you have the labels for the cams mixed up.

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Ah heck.

@AaronBrand Год назад

Yes. The commentary conflicts with the onscreen labels. Which is correct ?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

The box that you see in the photo is correct.

@legiadtm Год назад

Still waiting for your takes on the WS Avatar VRX

@thirdpartycookie Год назад

Me too

@EdturdEnfart Год назад

How come you have the heat shield on it? Isn’t the new lite kit not supposed to have it on?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Like I say in the video, this was shipped to me direct from Walksnail and this is how they shipped it.

@EdturdEnfart Год назад

@@JoshuaBardwell that’s really odd do they expect us to take it off ourselves?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Others are saying it came without the what spreader, which saves another gram.

@youtubxkip Год назад

I have this thing (1S Lite) preinstalled on my Mobula 7 Walksnail Edition. The only difference from this review - it have thicker camera with mounting holes (1S not light). From the very beginning the bare wires from camera to the vTX hanging out near the edge of a board was puzzling me... And eventually I started loosing video on almost every single crash. Had to reconnect the battery to get video back. Today, an hour ago after last small crash video no longer comes back. I do see OSD, and battery, so vTX works, but no camera signal. I believe I finally smashed this bare wires from camera on an edge of vTX board... Guys, please, put a little tape on it from both sides if you have thing like this! It might save you a lot of troubles, because this version of coaxial camera cable is not available on market :( I'm trying to separate the wires and fix them, so far no luck :(

@fpvsmurf Год назад

Properly made polar antenna like what??

@DennyFlatlandBMX Год назад

at 9:20 u messed up the labeling, or?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

Yes it seems so. The package in the photo is correct.

@cohibamatt8117 Год назад

Are they discontinuing the 1s Mini?

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

I would assume so but I'm not sure.

@TheJacobbridges25 Год назад

I'm honestly tired of the boards getting so light and frail I've broken so many chips off of new vtxs month or 2 old and chip is dead and I don't feel right returning it I'd rather it weigh more I hardly even notice more weight

@sburnham3 Год назад

Anyone have any really small polarized antenna recommendations?

@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад

I guess I should also add, the smol is not super durable as far as antennas go, but it's essentially a true RC singularity, which also weighs about 0.9 of a gram, and is excellent and tough. I have longer one on a 5 in, but I also have them on my 1s micros.

@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад

I just realized that my first reply didn't go through because I included the link to the product. Check out the tiny whoop smol, a 0.25 G circular polarized tiny whoop antenna, made in conjunction with true RC. Hands down the smallest and best quality antenna you can get for a tiny whoop. Though not as durable as the singularity.

@sburnham3 Год назад

@@willpowerfpv3246 thanks for the what and where. I see it on Tinywhoop and true RC. Looks like the links get purged.

@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад

@@sburnham3 no worries man, yeah, I completely forgot that links to outside websites are only permitted if the channel allows. I have one of the smol antennas on the way, I haven't tried it but I've heard great things, and I run TrueRC on all of my gear.

@peterthepumpkineater6363 Год назад

What 3 inch quad is that at the start?

@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад

Fpvcycle TP3 Toothpick

@xplore7359 Год назад

They are indeed shipping them without the heat spreader, at least they were....

@TimsDrones Год назад

Oh geeze - my old 1s Walksnail in my Meteor75 was light enough. So - yeah - a lighter one would also be light enough. Granted, a lighter whoop would also have better vertical control - but I don't really care. It's already good enough to keep me amused during these dark cold winter months - flying around the house - keeping my FPV skills going. And besides, getting technical - the 1g saved with the new 1s vTx, it amounts to 1/52g (my M75 with batt flies at 52g) a 2% diff in weights. And saving 2% in weight, that's not gonna result in much of a noticable change to my flight characteristics.

@MoeFPV Год назад

How the HECK am I gonna mount this camera! Putting it on a Crux35

@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад

Might look strange, but potentially using the newbeedrone bee brain v2 canopy. I'm using the same setup with a caddx ant lite, on a happy model larva x.

@MoeFPV Год назад

@@willpowerfpv3246 hmm okay, thanks for the tip. I just ordered the 1s board from RDQ.. Hoping it's the OLD board lol

@xplore7359 Год назад

I'm gonna print an adaptor that wraps across the back and offers mounting holes on the side. Kind of like how the cameras were mounted in the analogue mobula 6

@stratos7755 Год назад

This is wrong. I always saw it without the heatsink. It is supposed to weigh 7.8g altogether (5.1g VTX + 1.8g camera + 0.8g antenna).

@user-ql4oz4nn2q 8 месяцев назад

Man i know hdzero ist the next Competion but Image Quality With hdzero ist nowhere near walksnail

@rancorbob Год назад

Fatsnail ftw

@christhorney Год назад

lol losing less than a gram but losing the camera mounting holes, not worth it to me lmao

@BladeFPV Год назад

First

@christhorney Год назад

95mm is almost 4 inches, 75mm is 3 inches

@JoshuaBardwell Год назад

95mm is the wheelbase not the prop diameter. But I've double-checked and in fact, 95mm uses 2.5" props not 3", at least when it's a cinewhoop.

@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад

Small whoops are measured by the motor post to diagonal motor post. A 75mm whoop uses 40mm props, and a 95mm uses 2.5"props.

@christhorney Год назад

@@JoshuaBardwell ah yes ok lol that went over my head and confused me but i get ya now thanks for clearing that up for me mate

@ChainsawFPV Год назад

"You kno how much you spend on the hobby" Ummmm.... No I dont. Cause if I did, I would prob kick my own ass. Lmao I try to not think about the total invested....