Yeah, Defender's definitely scales with all the named heroes, and you also keep getting more ultra ranged bows. It's probably better at high points compared to low. Great job on the win! -Richard
@@intothewestpodcast Agreed. At lower points there is also strong competition - Helm’s Guard LL. It is similar in many ways - you ain’t getting many heroes anyway at 500 and below, you still get F5, - one is mostly trading elf-bows for a combat monster and access to cavalry.
As someone who played cirith ungol. I personally dont like mordor urukhai and urukai scouts. Def5 max is kinda trash. Like you guys said animosity takes abit to much effort imo to be worth it. Regular orcs are also kinda bad.
Don't forget my huscarl heavy variant list for dunland I brought to Clash ;). Still newer with it but did manage 11th. I designed it specifically as an 800-1000 point version. It does have glaring weaknesses of shooting and has problems with elves, but against terror, high defense, even spam armies, it does exceptionally well. It requires some pretty precise planning to get it to work properly, and obviously costs a ton with huscarls being expensive, but it works better than people read it on paper. The rohan conundrum is annoying. Hatred is nice, but between throwing Spear spam, and RRG spam for mounted, it tends to fall short. Fighting them. You get bonuses, but the normal issues isengard has with Rohan is still present.
Hey Scott! I remember talking to you at Clash, you indeed do very well. Good points but I also like to think in MESBG a lot of times the player skill comes above the list, so your placing might have been due to the former reason :) It's definitely not a bad list but I just think the weaknesses are big enough take it down from a top tier army! But that is just purely our opinion, happy to be proven wrong haha. -Richard
At the time of recording, we didn’t get the ballista reroll changed to reroll 1s only yet. While unfavourable, you still had a chance to reroll every shot into a 6. How they are now is much worse against blinding light.
@@intothewestpodcast I don't agree with you lol I play dunland competively and I'm on a 85% winrate with them. People just don't know how to play them :) They sit on the higher end of A tier.
