Which BR Gets the MOST DOWN-TIERS? 

Imagine a world without downtiers or uptiers. With queue waiting times around 3-4 minutes and not 1 seconds. A world every single one of War Thunder player wants. But Gajin won't do it, even if you send them a pipebomb. Sad. Very sad... Also RIP janitor Joe. He opened the package that was meant for Gajin HQ, not him.

10.7 was once great

To be fair, due to how BR works and that 1.0 vehicles are at the celling, I think that using them on data is just wrong, as their only option would be uptier. similar is with 11.7, as they are at the celling, so they can only be downtiered. So, due to this, i think that better and clearer result would be cutting down 1.0 and 11.7 from data sheets.

Can you try doing one in air as well once you are done with the second part? Curious to see if it is different.

There a lot you can do against superior tanks, but the most basics are: 1. Shot the barrel 2. Shot the tracks and disengage 3. Shot under the turret, at the turret ring 4. Smoke and disengage The only thing not to do is: stand in front of it and shot repeatedly at his turret or frontal armor Edit: Shooting the barrel is a no brainer, the bigger the enemy, the bigger its gun, therefore a larger target to aim at. But if you cannot hit the barrel, smoke the guy! Yes, use smoke shells, they are super effective. Hit the enemy with them, wait for 5 seconds and then rush to flank it. If needed put two smoke shells in it for good measure. Of course, if every single thing fails, just mark the enemy and run away. The map is huge, just let the team know is a super-heavy in the area and flee. Later you can return with a plane. With proper aiming there is no tank that you cannot destroy with a small 100kg bomb.

I think 1.0 should've had some special consideration cause you can't get lower than that so it's gonna be full up tiers

now this is the community work I want to see ! Amazing work and dedication to the game, I feel like we need more peoples like you guys in this community

Amazing work crunching all that data! Would love to see how the higher BRs stack up

This is great. As a dude who doesn't play 6.0 or above I'm giving a like because i found out why I play 3.7 the most lol

Damn that is a glorious spreadsheet. Also if I may add something, the worst nation-BR combo that I've ever experienced is German 5.3-5.7. To this day, the number still increases, (I've been keeping track ever since about the first 15) and I'm currently at *70* consecutive up tiers.... Wtf lmfao I haven't had a downtier at that German br range in long over half a year.

Its good that you recognize the "Stand-outs", in statistics, those would be called Outliers, a value capable of deviating the actual average. I'll try doing the same and collecting data to add.

that was honestly one of the best, most sophisticated and interesting videos ive ever seen about war thunder. You are worth so much more sir 👏

Great work my man.. keep on keepin on

This is pretty interesting indeed! I have my own document with over 1500 documented matches, after one day wondering the same thing. 10.7 gets SO many down-tiers, around 70%, with the majority of these being full down-tiers. I haven't recorded enough matches after the recent BR changes to see if this still holds true with any statistical certainty. I bet you'd get a whole lot more slight down-tiers now with some vehicles moved up to 11.0.

Thank you for putting in the work!

That's a very informative video, thank you !

seriously loving the content, just joined the server, been wantching for a minute and didnt even realize it but you stood out so much that i subbed and decided to join your server

Thanks for the amazing work

Great work man!

People make fun of German players saying they don't know how to use heavy tanks. I say we always get Upteired, and even put against vehicles that we never were designed to see or would have seen.

We need more gambling videos Wubb

Jeez you put in ALOT of work too Solve this mystery for many people. Thanks dude.

Quality video. Thank you for the opportunity to assist you!

Want to see the charts? [ we.tl/t-GFrpmkcB47 ]

I wish there was some kind of setting that makes it so you can only get people in your br, for just waiting longer in the que

What a huge, gigantic, absolutely fucking enormous amount of work was done… Dude, you’re so underrated. Keep it up. You’re just awesome

Glad i could help with the vid😊

Very great video man, I’m glad to have helped making it

A wubbfully brilliant video as always, you can really tell how much effort you infuse into your videos.

Cool video! I once had similar idea, but never actually got into doing something like that :p Also, i would suggest testing stuff on different accounts in terms of Level/Statistics (good K/D and such)/time played, i think that would give a lot of valuable information.

Nice work

Cool vid👍

Man you deserves more subs great work!

I think you got the hundred likes, looking forward to part 2

Cant wait for the follow up video where he shows cases the death pit of turms, xm1 and banzer battalions

Bro your channel/videos are SOOO underrated! I just saw this vid and you just got a new subscriber, keep up the great work 😄

I have noticed, the IS2'44 gets downtiered 7/10 games. just add a tank that's like 1 br lower.

Have you aimed for the pupula... it works wonders 99% of the time the 1% is when you're an American tank that loves to spam the space button

I've seen someone with a theory on reddit stating that the fewer vehicles you have in your lineup, the more you get downtiers. Having a vehicle several BRs lower than the rest also influences the amount of uptiers (e.g. I use the M16 up to 7.3-8.0 where I get actual SPAAs). Another thing to consider is the "Premium Black Hole", where you can get uptiered or downtiered to certain BRs where most of premium vehicles are, since it's a mass of players with the same BR (during the sales seasons you will get up or downtiered to certain BRs more often).

You got 300+ likes ( i aslo liked ), now do part 2 please. I’m sick of facing the jumpo on my Tiger H1 in distant

You're telling me I don't have to do any of the data gathering myself if I just like... uhuh, no brainer

Woah, what an effort mate 🍻

So GOATED. Best content drop yet.

Could be good to use standard deviation and then use that to look for outliers too. Love the vids! keep it up!

This video is very interesting… however, no matter how much anyone can try to find a good BR, things can change overnight plus player’s skills is a major factor aside from many other variations that makes it nearly impossible to have an accurate answer that is worth following. The only BR that always have a true advantage is Top BR where you can only face down tiers or same tier.

Gaijin should add that if you are in a uptier you get extra rewards regardless of how many kills you got to make it fair.

Yoooo new vid and a good one to keep it up

There was a time when Germany's Rank IV got a downtier almost every battle, I remember mowing down entire teams with my Tiger II

Begins sounds like definition of insanity

the snail will plan a assination attempt on you for giving your subscribers such valuable information

Hmm there's bound to be some discrepancies here with people not bringing their highest rated tank first (players bringing a light tank to cap first or wanting to bring their highest tank later in the match when most people are using lower ranked stuff) You can use the spawn point cost to find out the max br range of the match (you'll find in top tier there's actually some 11.3-12.3 matches even though there's no 12.3 yet but it means you'll see no people where 11.0 is their highest on the lineup). If you have a medium tank/mbt as your highest vehicle on the lineup the point cost for the first spawn will be 150, 130, 110 and 100 for +0.0, +0.3, +0.7 and +1.0 respectively. I logged my matches across various BR's and nations (I play EVERY tree) for a week using this method a few years ago when I used to play 10+hrs a day and found that on average I was getting a full downtier just less than once every 21 matches and a full uptier in almost 3/5 matches. At the time I was in the top 0.1% of players so since then I've always believed that there is skill based matchmaking in the form of more uptiers the better you are.

these are some surprising statistics, mostly since its almost impossible to bring 3.3 tanks with minor nations: if I play 10 games with a swedish 3.3(pvkv iii) more than half will be full uptiers with germany on the allied side. I think a nation's matchups is a greater factor, more even than the br you play in

Instead of how you took screenshots of everyone’s BR you can just load into a normal match and see how much spawn points cost, 150 being a full Down tier and 100 being a full up tier (for medium tanks). And then log in a spreadsheet

I hate when I'm playing 6.3 and i see on my team a person with a 1.0 ruining the balance of the match against me. I hate it even more when I see that at the end of the match somehow he's still alive with 5 kills meanwhile I'm on 2 kills and 3 deaths.

My brother in Spreadsheet, why do I not have to pay for this? 😳 Thank you ever so much for your work, and to the people who helped in this! 😄

My head hurts just seeing the excell spreadsheet :)

I dont understand how this video doesnt get 100k views instantly

I see data, I enjoy

Me watching this at 3:21 am while taking a big break from war thunder 👁️👄👁️: interesting I need this

he did the math 99.99% of us were to lazy to do

Im only 17 seconds into the video and I thought the only good way to play warthunder is to embrace uptiers, learn from them. I've murdered so many IS-2's with the Tiger its insane. Ima continue watching the video tho 😎

Uptier and downier shouldn’t even be a thing with the amount of people who play this game

Not criticizing of course, but i think you could ve made it way easier for you if you used spawn points cost instead of manually checking br of each vehicle you faced. It works like this: When you get into battle, look at the spawn point cost of your vehicle, it will differentiate depending on br of other players in this battle. Take for example a medium tank, say VK 3002 for a round br of 5.0 If there is a player with 6.0 vehicle in his lineup in this battle, it means the br range of this battle is 6.0-5.0 and so youve got a full uptier, and the cost to spawn in it will be exactly 100 points If there is a player with 5.7 vehicle, br range 5.7-4.7, youve got in a slight uptier, and the spawn cost would be 110. If there is a player with 5.3 vehicle, br range 5.3-4.3, slight downtier, spawn cost 130. And at last, if br range is 5.0-4.0, its a full downtier, and spawn cost would be 150. Same cost aplies for light tank, it is however different for heavy tank, spaa, and tank destroyers/atgm carries. For heavy tank spawn point cost goes like this: 100 for full uptier, 120 for slight uptier, 140 for slight downtier and 160 for full downtier for spaa its a bit harder to tell, because gaijin for some reason decided to give some specific spaa higher cost to spawn(like the flakpanzer 351 for example, i believe they gave it +10 to cost at full down, becides maybe full uptier), so its not always the best idea to use spaa to tell the br, but generally it goes like this: 70 full uptier, 80 slight uptier, 90 slight downtier, 100 full downtier And tank destroyers/atgm carriers: 90 full uptier, 100 slight uptier, 120 slight downtier, 130 full downtier. I apologize if my explanation is complicated, but i highly recomend trying to use this method to tell the br range youve got, its nice and easy and gives you a slight advantage, being able to chose the right vehicle for the right br. I didnt tell about calculating the spawn point cost of second vehicle you spawn in, or how it would or would not affect the spawncost of your third vehicle, but it think if i did tell, it would overcomplicate things, so i will leave it for another day. Feel free tho to ask any question about this method.

Me getting 35 full uptiers in a row.. not all were full uptiers but there was definitely no ontiers or doentiers.. so 35 slight, normal and full tiers matches in a row

Great work, but did you take the BR of the first vehicle spawned, or the highest in the lineup? Because for instance when I play 9.3, I sometimes spawn the Gerard (8.3) first in case of helicopter rush.

The fact that you said Italy is a minor and did not mention britian when u were mentioning majors is just pure disrespect 😂😂

Play the top tier so you will never be uptiered. PLAIN AND SIMPLE

This is 10 months late, and maybe someone mentioned it, but you don't need to look at other player's vehicles to know what BR you are at. Whatever your SP cost of your highest BR vehicle will tell you what BR you are at. Lets take the 7.0 American T-95 TD: 90 SP = 8.0 100 SP = 7.7 120 SP = 7.3 130 SP = 7.0 It's the same values for all TDs and all vehicles follow this pattern: More expensive SP means lower BR

5.3 bro. Every time I play 5.3 there’s always that 6.7 tiger 2 shredding everyone

I looked at the chart and 4.0, 4.7 ,and 3.7 are the best at going with people down tier or slightly down tier

The premium black holes 8.0+ are brutal and would love to see stats to prove it

Playing with the Tiger H1 and Tiger E is almost painful sometimes. I almost all the time get full up tiers, and only once I was on tier. But the tank is still very good :D

this the type of data/evidence you present to a person then just say "Skill issue" as their intellectual reaction

America rank 3 it's so painful because the fact that M18 is 5.7 you'll get up tiered most of the time

I once Played 1.0 and saw a freaking me 262 Turns out my friend was messing with me

0:05 Shoot with an APHE at the left side (from your POV) of the turret front, the one that is not covered by the gun mask - it only has 100 mm armor.

Last month I've been recording my uptiers to down tiers. Playing br's of 5.7, 6.7 and 7.7/8.0 I conclude with all data I've had about 30 max uptiers to 1 full down tier. What, the, fuck.

"The color codeing is red, orange, yellow, lightgreen and darkgreen" Sad colorblind noise

i wouldnt interprete too much into this data. the real life values will bounce around depending on daytime, nation played, events, new vehicles coming into the game, even sales influence the matchmaker a lot. i recommend to not fokus too much on up/downtier, but search for well balanced vehicle decks, and unlock most of the vehicles there before you play this BR. A good deck has at least a decent medium tank as golden goose for everything, and if that tank doesnt have a big gun for uptiers, you should add one to the deck. then its nice to have an aa, a scout tank, and a heavy tank. if you can fly, its highly recommended to add some planes as well, i prefere attackers, some like bombers, i usually also have a fighter with cannons or a lot of 50s (can keep air superiority and support ground). But i admit, 5.3 is a nice BR to play for most nations, almost every nation has a nice 5.3 deck, so many play it.

Good work, so are you an accountant or are you going to be an Engineer? Good work to bad we didn't get to see the 6.0 and higher BR's like 7.0 and 8.0 but nice to see the math and maybe it can be used against gaijin win and loss for a player's teams. 😉

"Which BR gets the most downtiers" -- The data changes and becomes irrelevant day to day -- I have done some experimentation. The matchmaker pairs you with people disregarding anything besides who's playing what at the time you happen to hit "to battle" -- for instance, at 4.3, uptiers are far more common late at night generally because for some reason everyone starts playing 5.3. I main 3.7-4.7 bracket, as those games can be very accurately predicted -- at the time of writing, 3.7 is almost always a full uptier, and 4.7 is often a downtier -- used to be more often, but something has changed, probably a BR change for a popular vehicle which has caused more 4.7-5.7 games to be viable leading to more 4.7 uptiers to 5.7. I have determined from this that the easiest to play lineup around that BR is 4.3 Germany -- almost all slight downtiers in the 3.7-4.7 range. This is reinforced by the quantity of 4.3 vehicles available -- Brummbar (optional), Sturer Emil, Hetzer, Jagdpanzer IV, and Ostwind (backup to handle aircraft, personal choice, aircraft are available, e.g. Ta 154 or He 219). This means you have tight spread on your lineup's top BR (good for you) and all of these vehicles are objectively good.

omg i was right! im suffring in 5.3-5.7 usa for month's!

meanwhile Il-28 at 8.0 getting uptiers to 8.7 pretty consistently, when u have no countermeasures to deter all the rockets coming at you what could be a fun vehicle is absolutely ruined, when u get uptiers every game

Awesome 😎

Play 12.0 and you'll never have an uptier again xD

That rocket bush looks devastating

Its so funny watching a is 2 doing the backwards trick when im in my t34 heavy tank

Even tho i have everything unlocked for germany, i only have fun playing the panzer 2 at 1.7 and panzer 3 n at 3.0

i remember playing my 5.7 set up with germany, i loaded the tiger e and out of nowhere i had a few jagdtigers spawn next to me that are at 7.0 or 7.3

You should do it in air arcade 💀

I dont mind slight uptier, like, my BR is 2.7, tank costs 120SP and enemy can get 3.3 tanks, like T34s or M10s. I do mind a full 1.0 uptier. Would be cool to see the results of full uptier percentages on each BR

How is it surprising that 1.0 (the only one that can't get any downtiers) is pulled off of average toward uptiers? imo it's why there's so little difference between some 1.0 and 1.7 or 2.0 vehicles

IS-2 tip: Cupola shots.

Very nice research! But, thinking of it, maybe 25 battles for each BR is not enough for good representation.

Idk if I’m just unlucky but I kept track and have managed to get up-tiered 78% of the time out of about 100 battles. This was between 5.3 to 7.3 which yes is known to be a slog but still damn

How to tiger vs rverse is1/2 Step 1: if is1, angle, if is2 seek cover tillhe needs to reload. Step 2: once you can shoot him, aim fotmr turret cheek front or cupola Step 3: he dies Pro tipp: just use the panther. Better gun, more reliable armour. Also don‘t sit there unmoving while you reload and he‘s shooting at you.😊

As a PS4 player, I’d say this happens *OFTEN*

try doing the study again at top tier during a sale

Cannot pen is-2 with tiger is truly essence of skill issue.

Going into replay mode to take a screenshot to see BR is too much work lol, you can tell the BR at the start of a battle depending how many SP you need to spawn. For a light/medium tank: 100 SP = full uptier, 120 = partial uptier, 130 = partial downtier, 150 SP = full downtier, I play Japan so I don't remember the rates for heavies and I never bothered to memorize the rates for SPAA and SPG's