War Thunder's ULQ Problem 

That's me, sadly but i can at least run it with 60-50 fps on a normal battle with UQL (without it is about 30-20 fps)

@@TacoWithChela ULQ is great for integrated graphics. I have a Laptop with a 3700U and that runs War Thunder at 1080p 60fps on lowest settings, when I am traveling, which has been great especially during Events.

I3 3120, RX 7450 and 2gb of ram.... that is my pc... i play in ultra low... and i can tell you at least for me ultra low is not an advantage at all.... but is most likely my pc being shit, tanks just pop out of nowhere the game stutters, i average 15-30 fps 40 if looking at the ground, with dips under 10 fps, the game freezes for 0.5-10 seconds from ram shortage.... is not good at all.... i can not convey how bad this is... i would very much like you doing a ¨warthunder potato mode¨ video..... to share my sorrow...

Only on ULQ I can normally play in ≈60fps on 1080p sadly

@@JR_22A dude, just get more ram? a single 4gb ddr3 stick shouldn't be more than 15€

Well its normal to dissagrea with someone we are humans and we have our own minds,own oppinion,own moral compas the only time its not ok to dissagra with someone is if that someone is practicly the entier world (and that even has exceptions)

Do you disagree with this video? And if so, why? I'm genuinely curious

@@Azachor no not this video in particular. I'm saying sometimes I don't agree with what he says but thats because we all have differing opinions.

@@oJuno-_- nice

Don't forget napalmratte

spook ate them to fuel is wt addiction

What "they"?

@@RyuakiraX either rtx 3080 stock or his youtube money

Having an AMD CPU and an NVIDA GPU seems like a mistake considering AMD and NVIDIA are direct competitors in the GPU market. I could have sworn they used to put in "malware" (if you can call it that) which caused games to run less effectively when you paired them up.

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 no they won't. Why would you as a brand make ur product slower

With a loading screen I can get only about 120 fps lmao

@The Yangem bruh, my RX 570 4gb (manually OC) at Movie setting can give me 90+ frames

@@lethienphat2340 and ppl that come with that bullshit "BUT I HAVE NO MONEY" can simply go away they wont be missed. Only a small brian to say they have 15 fps in a game like warthunder. I had one amd 7970 and it ran at 120 plus at high settings. Its like you said to play warthunder above ULQ you dont need much a 100 dollar card better then a gtx 970. Those come cheap nowadays and there are plenty of ppl selling old video cards. I keep on beliving that most do t even have a pc problem they just say that stuff to keep on having those advantages. They dont want their toys taken away

I get about 175 on average in Ground RB and around 200 in Air RB. This is with ultra graphics. Not trying to brag. Tbh I just bought this pre-built PC a year ago and I don't even remember what the specs are

@The Yangem IT IS WHAT IT IS. My freind i had to work to build mine. It was hard and i would love to play some games but at 15 fps? I rather see a movie.

Actually anyone who will play hours and hours on such shit graphics just to get a few kills more is such a nolife tryhard that it makes sense they would be at the hier tiers.

This happens with trees CONSTANTLY, especially in planes, where a model disappears but the hitbox stays

Yep I did that once and only ONCE

To add to this, for ULQ players like me, the flares that generate over the battlefield don't cast any light, essentially making the whole thing pitch black. I am completely useless unless I have thermals, and even then , I am at a disadvantage when looking around in third person

@@MB-cv5pz Just stfu, and buy a new pc. Instead you come here trying to defend the what as no defence.

@@zincasbaptista1014 kek, this just like: ïf you're homeless,... Just buy a house" thing

You must like a lot of videos, can't blame you.

Ah i see, you're a crash-landed dude of culture aswell

You hear the best soundtrack too!

Into the unknown?

Ik I wasn’t the only one who’s noticed this in his recent videos

meanwhile me over here on a laptop foaming at the mouth at the idea of 30 FPS while still running ULQ

However your snappy aim assist should make you warm and fuzzy....

@@Piesy001 what aim assist?

@@PERUN319 Mouse and keyboard are much more precise in movement than a controller, especially being able to aim to specific parts of a vehicle before you fire. Most games that use a controller have aim assist so it moves the aim onto a target, in WT this has to be precise when shooting at a lot of tanks so you can penetrate the vehicle. It is a really fine balance for the devs, to much aim assist and the aiming recticle will be seen to auto move to a target, not enough and you will find it difficult to aim exactly where you want. Its nothing new, just google it and it will give you heaps of info. It really just trys to make a controller as accurate as a mouse.

WT aim assist is trash and can be turned on for PC as well

I used to play on a 2011 MacBook pro. No GPU except for the Intel integrated shit show. Once I built my own PC (like seven years ago now wow), it was... Spectacular. Still use that mac tho. Good machine.

sameeeeeeee im playing on a MacBook Air and I still have to use ULC or I crash constantly

Playing on an hp notebook 660, with integrated graphics of only 576mbs with 4gb ram.

For example CS:GO is very much run at low settings by pros mainly for the fps advantage, but the fact is some things are also not rendered in (extra details like small rocks or background objects which are less distracting when they are not rendered in). Sometimes you do see more because of low setting but very little people complains as its pretty accepted to play with extremely low settings.

@@thatoneguy1082 thats mostly because the extra details is not interfering with gameplay. Not unlike THOSE GOD DAMN CHICKENS

Well, almost every competitive game is played by pros at ULQ

afaik e-sport players love to run their game on turbo ugly configs anyway, often for fps indeed but more readable visual feedback does count in more than one game. for example arena fps players love to do this just fine, because after all hiding behind a bush is about the lamest thing you can do in this breed of shooter. would honestly like to know if it systematically has a bad rep in games with more unassisted spotting like red orchestra, verdun, ect.

@@jcasma you are simply not understanding the problem here. In cs go a tree or a rock do not simple go away. You have the same tree or rock in ULQ or ULTRA HIGH settings, in war thunder things just dont even render in, and thats not the way it meant to be played and if players dont have the computer to play it simple, buy a new one or just leave.

I'm sure they could cheap out with it, like minecraft shadows where shape means nothing and everything (or atleast trees) has a circular shadow.

Minecraft has no block shadows, and entity shadows are always circles. Blocks cause darkness if they cover the sky, but that's technically a completely unrelated system to entity shadows. Also, lighting updates are _still_ one of the slowest parts of MC's graphics

@@michaelvigil5321 Still, some poeple play (i used to) on 30 fps on ulq. Doing that would just kick them out of the game.

It's very difficult -- if not impossible -- to register hits that way, though. Their Finest Hour springs to mind: that game had a 3d world and 2d sprite aircraft that were pretty much unhittable, because you couldn't see where they were headed in the 3D space. Now add the fact that in War Thunder it very much matters where on the tank you hit it (Jumbo machine gun port, for example), and you'd be toast. Would make for a funny april fools' exercise though. Castle Thunderstein.

@@zJoriz this is just for trees bushes grass an buildings. Stuff that you aren’t shooting at unless someone is behind it.

@@bentrod3405HEAT detection?

Same

Using ULQ is mostly an excuse, this video is nothing but an opinion piece as it shows zero evidence.

@@mikem9536 its literally showing evidence as you watch the game play tf?

I'd say that the more you are going high tier, the less ULQ is a problem because everyone is camping and using thermal

at 1080p wide screen res or 720p small laptop screen?

turn off SSAO

Yeah, i would see this also as an advantage to turn off shadows. I once had an older MacBook Pro with only 256MB VRam. I had also another Acer notebook with the same GPU but 512MB VRam. Overwatch ran "ok" on the 512MB acer, but unplayable on the 256MB MacBook. I could lower the settings so i was at least close the 256MB Vram and already fps of about 30-40. If shadows could be deactivated, i am sure it would have run at least with 40-60 fps, not really gread for a fast FPS, but at least playable But since the grass and bushes get smaller or even removed at all, its pretty fked up, but hey we talk about a GAYjin game, im not wondering

@@harrison00xXx at least gaijin let's these lower systems exist lol

@@justv7536 the main focus of GAYjin is, or at least was at the absolute low end specs, but also at the lowest of the lowest when it comes to players (kids, f2p junkies, skillless wannabe "gamers",...) As much i hate how fked up the games like Enlisted and WT are because of gaijins greed, the playerbase is even WORSE! But thats the regular downside of "free"2play games in overall.... garbage community, more often it should be forbidden to call them a community at all.

Shadows kill the cpu but not the gpu. If the cpu is the bottleneck turning off shadows will help. If the gpu is the bottleneck turning of shadows won't give you much fps.

There's also widespread use of other cheats, like he mentioned. They're a LOT more common than most think.

don't let anyone fool you. A ton of Players are cheating.

Shadows require a complete additional render of the ENTIRE scene for every single light that casts them. Thus the performance hit

Hey Not everyone can afford a good pc

BUT THEY COULD JUST MAKE THE BUSH FLAT AND NOT SEE THRU

Can confirm

I don't even see a problem with this. There is nothing stopping people with a more expensive pc to use ultra low

@@CarryMeh161 The problem is that almost forced us to if we want an advantage. We want max settings because that allows to be immersed in the experience.

Honestly it’s a problem that’s hard to solve since War Thunder is famous on running on potatoes and making it harder to run reduced players

Exactly. If I run it on recommended settings my max FPS is 10. But on ulq I top out around 40. If they changed I’d just stop playing

@@samfranklin9339 its very to see those kind of comments it really is sad. A ps4 pro its not that pricy and ppl play in it. Dude there are so many ways you can upgrade you platform. But then again its ez for them to fix this problem. They could simply check your graphics card and see what is it. If its non existing you are able to turn on ULQ. If its a RTX3090 it simply does not even show you the setting. Its from low to movie. But its the way the devs want the players to suffer. Thats why i do t play it anymore a potential game is not the same as a good game. Potential is not realitty and gayjobles know that.

@@zincasbaptista1014 obviously video games aren’t that important to me lol. Your idea is pretty good though

@The Yangem Dont mind it, majority of people in the comments are obviously braindead and not even capable of their mother language!

The particle density one is what I think makes me drop into the 10fps range when I look in a certain direction playing usually desert maps.

@@JoviaI1 and the setting which makes me having 5 fps while chasing a leaking fuel aircraft on air RB. And months later they still haven't fixed stutter. Wonder if ULQ would fix it or at least delay it.

same

Same

i used to get 10-15 fps WITH ulq lmao

@@b0BSh4nk3r oof

have you guys ever though about replacing your PC which is obviously at least 15 years old?

Another video about problems everyone already knows exist...

@@aletron4750 i dont see whats wrong with that. Gaijin never really listens to their community. But if youtubers are stating gaijin the problem with more videos like this one, they will eventually fix it. They cant affort more negative publicity or a loss of players standing behind the youtubers opinion. Though, Gaijin fixed some things after youtubers like spookston made videos like that.

@@aletron4750 i understand everyone knows but sadly not "everyone" as if its a issue "everyone" knows something would be done about it and like hanics said the more youtubers who cover issues the more people will know the issues and report it.

A video about problems that have (unfortunately) existed for years and 1/4 of the video is an ad

That means WT is getting worse

I use ulq and get 70-100 fps in ground rb so idk what u are saying. And i have exactly the same specs.

Turn on anti aliasing 30 fps is playable enough on tanks, especially considering those poor ps4/ps4pro bastards are also locked to 30 fps Tho if you already at 30 fps dont even bother with tanks, because then its just rip

15 fps, take it or leave it

Same

Same

Yeah.. same, i just bump up to low ahahaha.. ulq so shitty sometimes, as things not renders as should be

I have to use ULQ on top of 50% render resolution to even reach 60 FPS. 1Gb VRAM gang😎

@@AbdurrahmanZedSaeed I tried to run WT at high and medium and it runs but with some lag spikes that just made it not possible to play, I really hate ULQ, trying to spot tanks in a plane and tanks in general sucks.

enjoy the detox

depends on how they are implemented shadow of fixed object are just a texture added permanently to the environment

@@Martel_Clips but destructible objects and vehicles don't have pre baked shadows

low res shadows isnt that resource heavy. and honestly if you actually need ULQ to run the game you should get a new computer.

@@emptyforrest Well I want to but the problem is that I dont have much money to buy a new pc, and to make things worse there is that thing called GPU shortage EDIT: Grammar

What if they were directly implemented into the vehicle model, just a black translucent plane at the bottom only visible on ULQ?

Also I must add, while ULQ looked and looks pretty basic, the game performance on ULQ has gotten worse with the graphic updates the game has received during the years, despite ULQ not showing any update itself, whether it is a new or an old map

Just in case, I know the Hellcat is a TD and not a light tank, I was refering to any kind of vehicle which really slows down when crashing with a destructible object because of its low weight

I have to say, tank pop in is an issue no matter what quality you are using. Maxed out or not, you'll see tanks disappearing.

@@Arcyguana I've seen it a lot lately too

@@ThSeLo Probably because they broke the game in the last update, I ran on movie setting and I see the rendering tanks pretty frequently lately.

ULQ

@@carlitosskater89 ULC* I think you're missing something bud.

@@themilkman8554 ULL**

@@kv_6975 ULS***

For real 😂

Can I change quality if I play on console?

@@Ramzi1944 nyet

@@Ramzi1944 nope. and this is something ive complained about for a while. its not that its needed but its the fact PC has a clear advantage because they can turn down the settings in the game for an advantage. but if you use the option for ps4 only or console only games the timer to get into a game goes up like wild. its like 10 minutes to get into a game. but its fair. so i imo think there should be a psa announcement on part of console players to change to that option so 90% of the bs is gone including hacks

@@undergroundvelo I moved from console to pc and my stats went up just from using mouse aim, I tried ULQ for a few games to see how bad it was and I played significantly better, it is utter cancer, especially on maps like Sinai and abandoned factory. (I don’t use ULQ because it is pure scum)

All the esport players do it

This had the infuriating issue of AI laying prone in a field and sniping you from "under" the terrain where you can't see them.

I dont think it should automatically set your optimal quality settings because a benchmark like that can be really iffy. Even through Geforce Experience I benchmarked for warthunder and it said medium settings, meanwhile i've been playing it on movie settings for a while at a steady 50-70 fps depending on the map. I do think that it should check whether your computer surpasses the necessity of ULQ, turning off the option if performance is high enough

When I started playing warthunder one year ago I also had 10 fps But on ultra low quality

He's a trustworthy honest upright respectable successful attractive CC partner, of course he's not liked there.

You can easily cheat that system though I can use dragon Centre to set my cpu to only use 1ghz and then do the benchmark, then set it back up to 5 ghz and not even have to go into the bios and then I would have low enough frames for ulq

You can easily cheat it

Too easy to cheat

I could just bottleneck my gpu by turning down the mhz and only apply two cores to WT and qualify for ulq to then boost my performance again...

Bad idea. My PC can technically run higher settings than ulq. However. That would require me to disconnect my 2 external monitors and drop the resolution to something like 1080p. Then it would still make my gpu get like 89°C hot which would heat up my room to a degree(pun intended) that is unbearable.

Or objects are still rendered and do not simply disappear, but should then look correspondingly bad in ulq....

my PC can barely run ULQ but the game recommended medium graphics to me, meaning that when i first started the game in immediately crashed my PC and i had to restart

Possible, but it would just take a third party program to tell the launcher wrong (lower) specs on the pc, so it unlocks ULQ. Those who want to win at any price will find a way to bend the rules in their favor.

@@julian5857 I see where you are coming from, but I think this argument is a bit of a stretch... 1. Having multiple monitors will only affect performance when there is actively animations happening on the other monitors. If you are playing WT and another game at the same time, then idk what to say. RU-vid and the likes have hardly any impact on FPS as even with hardware acceleration enabled the GPU utilization would be nothing compared to a program that required 3D rendering. 2. Games already know what resolution your monitor is running at. That would be considered when determining what your PC's "hardware" is. You wouldn't be expected to run ultra quality at 8K resolution, but at 1080p it might be a different story depending on your graphics card. ~~ The GPU temps argument is fair enough, but modern GPUs are designed to pump out as many frames as it can unless specifically told to cap out at a lower number. If your GPU is pushing 60FPS at ULQ, and 15 at Ultra Quality, it still doing the same amount of work if it is running at 100% and would be generating the same amount of heat (again, unless you are limiting the frame rate). Either way, I agree that forcing graphics settings is a little bit heavy handed. I prefer my games to not look like shit over having an advantage, but if someone with a 3090 wants to go tryhard with ULQ then they are probably going to find a way around whatever method a game developer implements to prevent them regardless. No point making things difficult for people who actually have low end systems.

hmm lets see... wat!

Holy shit yes got that like yesterday, shot off a Tiger II P's gunner with my T25, the guy litterally didn't give a shit and oneshot me in return like he never lost the gunner lol

Yeah when i started playing WT i played on Ultra but quickly noticed how some shots that killed me would be impossible to pull off because they went through thick foliage I tried ULQ and was startled by how easy it makes the game, abused it for like a day before i started to feel bad for not playing the game in it's intendet beauty But yeah, ULQ busted AF

true. the recommended for my core 2 duo e8400 and gtx 750 was high. i started a battle just to chech it. after i clicked on the respawn button, i got a blue screen of death.

Let ulq play against eachother. Easy fixed.

hey, tell me morons, RTX3080 in online game is fair on not? When some ppl plays on old PC, with ppl on 3080 with high fps and comfort setting? U can switch on ULQ for FREE. 3080 costs for now around 1500-2500$.... And morons talkin about unfair advantage....

Also means you could just artificially limit the games framerate, which isn't difficult.

​@@russiants1668 The game knows what components your PC has, using this data it creates the "recommended graphics". Why not use it to limit your graphics setting interval, so if you have like 1st gen i5 and gt-730 or gtx-270 the game would know and allow you ULQ but if you have rx-550 or gtx-950 it would not allow you to downgrade graphics bellow low/normal

@@Batard42069 thats just incredibly dumb and probably the worst idea ive ever heard

@@arend463 Ye of course, just call someone out for his suggestions and dont even tell him why you think it is not a good idea

Shadows is also something you can switch off at a higher quality resolution as well.

Lol no. i dont know of single other game in my library of well over 200 games that has an ULTRA low setting. and almost all modern competitive shooters even low will not give an advantage in fact its usually a disadvantage. you dont see tournament players in R6, COD, Battlefield, Halo etc ever using low settings. even in a game like Arma will make u not be able to see shit after 500 meters and everything within your view distance will be difficult to distinguish. did u see how many objects just straight didnt render when he looked down the main drag on Alaska but the tank way at the end of it sure did.

My whit my PS5 laugh in 8K

My laptop in ulq setting going 30 fps

@@radoxic4521 its okay I know the feeling, just sebas tian is tipical "pc master race" guy and they somtime forgot things about the "master race" thing

at least your computer runs the game without crashing because it's so old like mine

The max i got was 22 fps

29 fps for me. But if someone pops smoke or call arty i could only get like 10-15fps lmao, but thankfully i don't get a high ping but my god the PL is high.

Imo the unfair thing about playing on low quality is not being able to see tanks from the air, especially with the tank bodies staying after death it's very irritating.

Potato PC Gang

if you dont try to abuse it then you propably dont look like ULQ player. Some people on ULQ are using the gimmicks of the ULQ to hit tanks behind penetrable cover or will shot you through forest and 20-30 diffrent bushes , which normally is not possible to see a tank (even on low you would not see anybody, thats the diffrence)

He didn't really go into detail on the computer at all, just listed off a spec sheet

with what?

Agreed. Gaijin should benchmark people's systems on game launch. If their computer can run an average of 60fps on lowest settings (not ulq) or whatever Gaijin thinks a playable FPS is, it disables ULQ for them.

@@MStrykerMGS yes or make it limited to ancient gpus and cpus like from 5th Gen intel and below only! This game is dogshit now i feel like im a very bad player

@@MStrykerMGS Exactly right, that is really easy to implement and should have been done when ULQ became a thing - meanwhile when it was introduced, helluva lot of people just immediately changed their settings to ULQ with no worries whatsoever. Disabling it after the benchmark is the easiest and the most reliable option.

ur religion doesnt allow you to switch on ULQ? Its free, if u want make screenshots - dont cry. In this game opmization is sheeeit, and all of u talkin bout unfair advantage, and if devs remove ULQ u start cryin on bad optimization first. And on ppl with 3080, cuz they have nice fps and can configure game like they want.

@@exodus1621 Nope, some people actually have honor and dont use unfair advantages like little kiddos :) Looks like we found a salty ULQ user :P I dont have the greatest PC and I have no issues with optimization - the only problems out there are lags after building explosions since the latest graphical engine upgrade, but for years I had no problems whatsoever. If you PC is shit stop crying about it, get a job and buy a new one :)

Graphics card is more important for gaming than CPU. My old computer had AMD Athlon II (a lot worse CPU than I5) and GTX 1050 Ti and WT was running on around 50fps on high settings.