Playing the Chronicles version of this mission really made me appreciate how much Gul'dan's betrayal messed with the Horde's offensive, to the point where I'm convinced that if he hadn't betrayed the Horde to find the Eye, they would've won
They literally would have won. Gul'Dan's betrayal basically spread the horde thin as not only did Doomhammer lose 2 valuable clans, he was forced to expend another to hunt down and kill Gul'Dan and Cho'Gall for their betrayal, while also wiping out their clans too. Cost a lot of manpower at the wrong time.
@The_Bromodo Another clan and most of the dragons IIRC. That said, in the actual "canon" events of the game the Horde never conquered Stromgarde or Stratholme either
Doomhammer also made a deal with Alterac for safe passage, instead of facing some really strong defenses by going around or trying to siege mountain fortresses. War was going well for Horde, but then they also faced a betrayal of their own, which evened the odds.
Aaah, the Horde's siege of Quel'Thalas. It is where Garithos disliked the High Elves because his hometown nearby got burned down and blamed them for it. Hence he treated Kael'Thas and his people poorly during their membership of the Alliance remnants.
Highlights of this mission took 30 mins because of the magical stone events and long cutscenes. Also I had to include as much as "I am alive!"s as possible.
Horde could summon demons and raise skeletons even back in WC1. Death Knights are also obviously undead, souls of orc warlocks stuck in decaying human bodies of Stormwind knights and riding ghost steeds. Many Death Knights actually stayed loyal to Doomhammer, like Teron Gorefiend, maybe they thought that one death was enough and trying to cross Doomhammer again would be deadly to their second lease on life, warped as it was.
Ironic how Gul'dan's lust for power and selfishness played to the Burning Legion's advantage only for those exact same traits to bite them in the ass when they're close to victory.
This whole mission shows off the very worst of Gul'dan's tendencies for sadism and destruction. It is also interesting that, unlike Orgrim, Gul'dan can speak fluent Common (making his taunting of Lireesa all the more stinging). Not gonna lie, though I do like Orgrim and my main Troll Zul'jin (his one of my favorites in HotS), Gul'dan is my pick for top WC2 character (he is also one of my favorites in HotS).
Liressa Windrunner? Interesting. She was introduced in the novelization, but I had thought she was much younger, like a child. It made her fate all the more tragic. Interesting use of Utok here, and effective. I doubt we've seen the last of him. Gul'dan didn't have time to figure out the Runestones in the novel, as when the Horde butted up against Silvermoon and found it's Sunwell-infused defenses unassailable they turned and left to continue their war against the humans rather than lay siege. This offensive was also overseen and ended by Ogrim, and it spelled the end of the alliance between orcs and trolls. I also believe it was around thst time Gul'dan abandoned the war to pursue his own agenda... Hmm, I think i just realized how they'll use Utok. Oooh, okay, huh. I must be getting information crossed again, or they've swapped stuff around. I'll have to do more research. Hey, Ogrim's back! Yeah, even the dragons couldn't break into Silvermoon. The power of the Sunwell was too great. Guldan knew of the power, but sought a greater prize. I like how they've handled the story here, it feels very natural to spin it this way. Doomhammer had no idea why Gul'dan left the war, but it sealed their fate in the war for very cool reasons.
Gul'dan is a master of making friends despite his appearance... only to stab them in the back. Offering the soul of S, A and V' mother to Zul'jin as a gift, who then sent it to Bwomsandi who knows what he is going to do with it... only for the warlock to show a finger in most crucial moment possible for the trolls and leave them all to die.
The event where the same humans that once helped them turned into undeads and went to do the thing those orcs couldn't was probably more recent in their living memory than this war. Also Garithos. So not that strange when you look into it.
Was the the world tension this high that they had to side with the conflict? It sounds as if they could try to sod off tending to their needs then relocate their resources to another world wide conflicts
They told the story of it in their Discord server: Spoiler: How did Utok Survive in a ditch for almost a month -- So uh...Fans are fuming on multiple platforms about this supposed "plot-hole" in mission 11 - Quel'thalas, where Utok falls into a ditch and left behind for the entierty of Quel'thalas offensive which lasted several weeks, only to be found again by Tharbek later on the retreat. in truth, this isn't an oversight at all, Utok's "incident" is loosly based on a real life event where a 70 year old man called "Don Farrel" survived for a whole week after falling in a ditch, he had rain water, maggots and leaves to survive on, and since this is a fantasy game, we of course will embellish and exaggerate the length of days, Utok is a shaman, and he has water, grubs, leaves and rodents to survive on, he has also healing powers of the elements, so he basicly went full on "cast away" mode, although I admit that it would've been funnier if we gave him a Tiki totem and call him Wilson while he was there
Can some peons clean Cho'Gall pants...Look at him, he is Suffering when moving slow...But its Funny How Cho'Gall who will surve Void Helping Guldan who working on Sargeras who's whant to Destroy the Void..... I will miss Zuljin terribly.... He was a good troll, with Charisma behind the character... and did not like Elves... F
@@wakerwanderer1702 Lordaeron Capital was never assaulted by orcs, Therenas was killed by his son. As for BtDP I believe, that both campaigns are canon. In ToD it's looks like all missions are canon as well, except last act of Orc Campaign. 'couse Dalaran was also destroyed by Arthas, not orcs. Besides, in BtDP orcs supposed to open Dark Portal again, first one was destroyed.
In WC I and II the stories are not chronological as in WC III. Orc campaign = Orc Victory and Human campaign = human victory. However, WC II starts of from the perspective that the Orcs won in WC I and have conquered Stormwind. The expansion of WC II, Beyond the Dark portal, starts of from the perspective that the Humans have won WC II, defended Lordaeron and reconquered Azeroth. In WC II, Beyond the Dark Portal the story lines of both Orcs and Humans converge on the same synopsis where Nerzhul manages to open many portals towards the Twisting Nether, although the Human campaign is more canon in terms of the storyline when it comes to the point where WC III starts of.
This is definitely nor fully canon, but also not fully the orc Victory. Devs have said they are trying to combine the two and have the Alliance win in the end. But several cities have been conquered that never fell in canon.
It's mixed. Orcs besieged capital of Lordaeron (final mission of Orc Campaign), but they were driven back to Blackrock Spire and Dark Portal. Human victory happens. Then in the expansion, both endings are canon. Chronologically, Orc campaign mostly happens first, as Nerzhul opens it by uniting all clans in Draenor and then leads surgical raids to get required items to open more portals. Alliance responds by launching an expedition, which ends up stuck in Draenor/Outland for over 20 years with no contact until Burning Crusade. Meanwhile Nerzhul and his followers try to escape but end up caught by Kil'jaeden who transforms them into Lich King and liches respectively. The Scourge is born (and forget all that Jailer nonsense, please).
Capital City they still seem to have a win condition for. Also definitely not "Canon" given the time of Gorefiend's death and the fall of Stromgarde city and Stratholm
