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The truth about everything after Legion -> Incels took over. Sylvannas becomes a nuclear Karen and Nathanos is killed off. Cause Incels cannot stand it when the _"p°ssy"_ they worship already has a Man. Suddenly the force is female everywhere and Women become the master schemers, cause the Incel writers find that hot. Malfurion gets killed off to revive even another "P°SSY". And then we see Xal'atath in the trailer and the Incels soyface again, while they moan in degnerated joy *_" P°~ssy~ !!! "_* and 1000s of incels came in their pants.
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@@IEatYourSandwiches It will turn out that she was just a puppet of daddy void lords and it was the void lords that were the TRUE puppeteers the entire time! Jailer was merely their pawn :]
That's how you do it right. She wasn't behind EVERY SINGLE events like the jailer but she influenced whoever she could here and there just enough to reach her own goal
@zaer-ezart I'm sure there's more of a reason behind it than the knife just phasing into the world where ever she wants, corrupting anyone who touched her and has her bidding done before phasing out again.. it's incredibly weak story telling she's literally just a plot device that was 100% not needed in any of these plot points but I guess will be used to retcon in a connection with the void lords to make them relevant again
@@primary2630 She doesn't corrupt everyone who touches the blade. She convinces and influence them with sweet sweet lies. Hell even I was convinced to help her just by listening to her voice
@@zaer-ezart The only reason that the jailer was behind every single thing in wow's lore was because they needed to create an antagonist who was more evil than Sylvanus, so they could pull out that embarrassing redemption arc for her. Reminder that the head writer of Shadowlands was the one who revived Nathanos and wrote a lore story where he turns the character into his own self-insert boyfriend for her, and that he posted cringey twitter roleplay about how much he loved his queen. I bet they're going to try and reintroduce her within a few years after the heat about her has died off.
Just wait till the next expansion after TWW. Then there will be some edgy voidlord shouting at us again ; "Little did Xalatath know, she was a just a piece of my puzzle .. *Evil laughter*..." . Then repeat that in the next expansion after..
Non-WoW guy, but this is an interesting villain. I hope they write her to be like, "Grand plan? Oh no, dear mortal, I just merely nudged you in a direction and you caused the chaos yourself. I just sat back and waited for the inevitable." More fitting for an eldritch being, imo, than, "I"M SUPER GIGA MEGA MASTERMIND" that plagues WoW.
The entire Xal'atath story, as we've been given it so far, is a fantastic example of a well done retcon. I believe her as a "final boss" character because of all of the little touches they've given her lore and history. If someone like The Jailer had been added to the lore like Xal'atath, (slowly, logically, and subtly) he would have been a far more welcomed character. Well done video!
I also have to say, Iridikron in DF made me much more confident in Blizzard having their shit together again in terms of writing and not botching that setup. Iridikron is basically the total opposite of the Jailer in terms of set up for a villain and how to do it right. Instead of immediately shoving into our face how he is the new ultimate big bad deal, they did it smart this time around with how they set him up, letting it all start out fairly low stakes as this old conflict between dragons which we deal with while also exploring the dragon islands and having first be Raszegath as an introduction villain be front and center and only after beating her and him being one of 3 different elemental dragons to escape put him a bit into focus, by referencing his dangerous hunger. I think it worked well in creating intrigue, as Iridikron immediately reminds us, without fully riding on or devalueing, both Galakrond and his all-consuming hunger and Deathwing through the shared element of earth. And afterwards, we get to see him being both active on the ground while also being scheming and having a mystery around him, being much more show don't tell than Zovaal ever was, by us seeing that he's damn powerful with his earth element. Aberrus was great, because it did both set up the final villain for the expansion, Fyrakk, while also showing Iridikron to be clever, using his ally and Aberrus itself as distractions. And then finally in Dawn of the Infinite, he pulls of an actually great Xanathos-Gambit, by forcing us into a situation where we can either stop him or safe Nozdormu. And afterwards, he leaves the plot for the moment and leaves room for Fyrakk, to be the final big bad of DF as a more simple, chaotic villain, which he works as because Iridikron did all the scheming and mystery building part. Like, I'm honest. DFs writing is the best we've seen in WoW since the Suramar campaign and it made me confident again and kinda lean into believing that Shadowlands was actually Afrasiabis spiteful final fuck you which nobody in the current team really wanted to do, because Danuser did proof this time around that he can lead the story team with the first expansion that is fully just his baby.
I'm still mad at the Jailer. Not because he exists... but what he *could've* been. Had he been kept longer, teased bit by bit, and instead they went straight into the old gods/void lords route, and THEN he gets revealed as the ultimate final boss. I mean Shadowlands' story literally reaches the point where you witness the proof of existence of THE ACTUAL makers of these universes. You know, Titans were supposed to be "the makers" but apparently not, Titans are also another product of these all powerful beings that literally wield the laws of the universe as their playthings. It sounds like a super great build up and hypefest. It should've had the Titans treatment, where Titans were basically teased since og Vanilla back in 2004 or whatever, and we finally get to not only meet the Pantheon, but fight one of the Titans (albeit a Fledgeling, Argus is still a Titan). And what's more FINAL BOSS, than the literal Satan of Warcraft The one who imprisons unworthy souls and tortures them for eternity. The one who's making a power grab to remake all realities, not just our one. How do you go higher than that in terms of plot heights? You don't. We literally fought the afterlife, and we won. Dragonflight was like going back to training wheels after completing your first mountain bike track, lore wise.
@@stankobarabata2406 Nah, that's still a genuinely awful idea. The Jailer was a horrible idea executed poorly and anyone pretending otherwise is coping hard.
The thing I like most about Xala’tath is that she isn’t a cartoon villain that “perfectly orchestrated” events that were realistically super unlikely to happen in a sequence (at least not yet). Her motive seemingly has always just been to cause chaos, build power, and wait. Super believable, long established lore, and a cool character. I think she will be the best villain we’ve had in awhile.
Yeah, an element of schemers that never really gets explored is that they don't have perfect cognition. They tip over the right thing, observe how it crumbles, and tip over the next thing, always building a path towards their goal. Its not having a Master Plan but instead a goal and knowing how to exploit any lay of the land to get there.
There was more nuance and personality in just one of her player-manipulation voice lines than in literally all of The Jailer's stuff put together, yeah.
It really feels like Xal'atath is the greatest opportunist in Warcraft history. She just kind of pops up wherever and makes the most of what she's given... often with explosive results lol
@@ShalThuzar Black Zetsu was not an opportunist... His plan was meticulous and had centuries of thought and preparation going into it. (hell, he wasn't even the mastermind of that plan, Kaguya was lol).
Welcome back king. Gotta say as someone who has watched wow lore videos since cata came out when I was like 12, wowcrendor and nixion, man yours are the best. Honored for the early 20's wow players to be represented in the community by a man such as yourself.
I think they added her to SoD too. You gotta talk to a shadowy figure with an old elf model to get the new void armor recipes in SoD and she looks ALOT like Xalatath. Idk who else it could be.
Xal'atath is "this new character was retroactively behind a ton of stuff you know" done right. No one even complained about it, but we basically got a dagger that was behind, in short, the troll empire falling, the Sundering, Ragnaros and by extension everything the black dragonflight did in Blackrock Mountain, the dwarves joining the Alliance..
@@4F6D If you don't accept Xal'atath's retcons you can't accept any of the artifact weapons' retcons, so you may as well throw Legion as an expansion out.
@@TaliesinMyrddin I accept all the retcons. I am just not here simping for her while saying the jailors retcons are bad. It's equally bad in both ways.
@@4F6D I disagree that it's simping. The jailer's retcons directly interfered with past lore by adding stuff to known events that was never intended, and retroactively affecting events we played through. Xal'atath's retcons added new information to ancient history we had never seen, had never played through, and functioned more as worldbuilding than as an attempt to make a new villain seem like they had been part of the lore all along. Back in Legion she wasn't even intended to be a character in future expansions - like Denathrius, the simping gave her more life as a character after Legion, but her retcons in Legion itself were as benign as most retcons that flesh out the world are.
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This kind of specific story telling REALLY makes me wish they had made a single player RPG in the vein of the Elder Scrolls games, or maybe a rpg where you can choose your followers, both having choices you can make to change the world (of warcraft)
Yesssss Xal'atath baby!!!!! I really enjoyed her quest line in BFA. Her new model design looks gorgeous. Now please say we dont kill her off right away. It'll be nice to have a flowing narrative/evil character for the next 3 expansions.
We all know she's already gonna be a raid boss and that only mind controlled good guys or stunningly hot elf ladies get away alive. So she has a small chance.
Keep in mind, this was all part of the jailors plans! "But he is dead now, he cant make plans anymore!" YOU DONT THINK THE MOST STRATEGIC AND POWERFUL MASTERMIND IN THE UNIVERSE MADE PLANS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND IN CASE OF HIS DEATH?!?!?!?!!?!?! What a super awesome and totally not wedged in character the jailor is
This makes me think of a specific 24-year-old quote: Yoda: Always two there are, no more, no less. A master, and an apprentice. Mace Windu: But which was destroyed: the master, or the apprentice?
My theory with Xal'atath, she does have plans but atleast half of her plans were her making the best of a situation, she has long term goals but she is flexible with her short term goals, if its useful it's useful. Also Pretty sure the gift of N'Zoth is something she'll use to her adavantage against us.
The fact Xalatath is also rumoured to be the shadowy figure you need to get the void touched gear in season of discovery shows Blizzard are going all in on this character.
I like Xal'atath and always wanted her to be more of a chaotic neutral. But, I guess we will end up just killing her like everything and everyone else, kind of a shame
As one of those niche players who was shadow priest, reads lore and did the side quests...I still F'ing love your videos about it all. You do such a lovely job!
I'm so glad you're here, I've been trying my hardest to extract wows main story by myself through playing the game but it's impossible, espechially since that main story is locked behind raids and nobody is doing those anymore and they just give you all big patch quests the moment you reach max level so I get spoiled, I mean I still don't know how we got from shadowlands to dragonflight 😂
That toy N'Zoth gave you actually have a special function. Before Shadowland expansion, only this toy can translate old god's voice into a whisper line in the chat box when you wearing it. I was testing it through many dungeons and raids such as Dragon Soul, The Emerald Nightmare, Temple of Ahn'Qiraj etc. After SL they changed this function, now any player with or without this toy can see(and understand) old god's language, such a shame Blizzard.
Xal'atath is great largely because things don't always go to plan for her. She got stuck in the knife and she got pretty screwed over with the artifacts being used on Sargeras' sword. She just has a lot of pots on the stove, so if one door closes, there's always 5 windows, a cat door, and a screaming inky black portal that smells like suffering to choose from.
Currently in SoD there is a "secret" quest line that you destroy a box to get a void shard for crafting. When you do you are met by a mysterious void elf like figure who talks to you. Now granted the form Xaleteth has happens way way later but she mentions she hasnt had a form in awhile when she gets her new one so maybe this is an old form. Am I overreaching? Probably but I can see them using SoD to build character intrigue with her and introduce more people since we'll get a few more phases before the expansion drops.
I don't know much of retail wow but I do follow the lore videos and I remember this sassy dagger lady being mentioned in some N'Zoth lore and that's immediately who I thought the shadowy figure from the void crafting in SoD was. I think platinum is right as many others who actively play retail didn't know who I was trying to reference. Edited: Plus the dialogue from the dead cultist mentions that they were feeding the box and this video shows that she needs souls and encourages that sort of thing. :D
She was where my brain went to as well. There's even a little off-handed comment about how time seems to distort around her, so I think this may be her traveling into the past or an alternate history to try to fiddle with things. And hey, all that happens is she convinces us to use some void powers to "save the world, or whatever" and I mean, nobody's ever been convinced by her to use void powers for the greater good right? And it's never backfired spectacularly? Right?
I think the "weakpoint" of being very specific is actually the major appeal for me. As someone who doesn't play WoW anymore and only observes it from the sidelines, this is exactly the kind of storyhook an epic story needs. Mysterious artifact that is kind of known but only a small amount of people actually know what's the deal with it an the rest have to do their own research to understand the full picture? Count me in.
I actually agree. There are some narratives that need to be seen by everyone, but there are others that feel way better when they're sort of fragmented and mysterious. I played shadow in Legion and played the whole BFA campaign, enough to know who and what Xal'atath is, and I still learned a lot from this video. I think that's really cool.
Also we could see Iridikron entering the void portal and we saw a female elf figure standing there...and people already kinda predicted it would be Xal'atath. Ngl I only knew her story since Legion, I didnt even know she had some influence in the past but it is pretty cool that whenever she appeared somewhere, something major happened. Even if she wanted just to stir some chaos, it still had quite big concenqunces. I am excited to see our Knifu back, her talking to us (as shadow priest) was one of the real highlights when it comes to the legendary weapons we had. I think she has potential to be very interesting villain given she has been around for sooo long and she was in the hands of mortals as well as our own hands too.
@@HiddenEvilStudios ooo, still tho...it sure is more interesting piece of legendary weapon compared to other things...making it sentient really gave it more depth
WoW storytelling is pretty bad yeah, but I actually _really_ like Xal'atath (no, not in that way) and in my opinion she along Varian, Garrosh and Wrathion might be one of the few good things WoW has done for the Warcraft franchise. She reminds me of XIV storytelling, with little events happening away from the spotlight slowly growing into something you could see coming but just didn't know how it would happen or what it really meant. She makes me think of Ultima the High Seraph, a character that at first just seemed to be put in for some side story, but then you realize the centuries-spanning repercussions of her involvement, how it still affects the world today, and how it's not over yet. She is one of the main reasons I'm actually looking forward to a WoW expansion and might even play retail again after five years.
I've encountered a suspicious "void" elf with a dagger and some secrets quite similar to one's Xal'atath at the end of the Void Touched epic gear event. Really exciting to see that Blizz is adding not only new gameplay but even new lore into SoD.
I might be wrong when we get the full worldsoul saga, but its looking like not only is Xalatath everything the jailer wishes he was, but its something WE as the players did that brought her about. She didn't need a retcon into the story, she was someone who played us and gave us an actual impact on the lore.
17:00 That is a very weak complaint. The xal'atath story that manages to get into the game is "MORE" information than we ever had in game for Nefarian or Gruul or Prince Malchezar or Kel'Thuzad or Cho'Gall or mogu emperors before those people were Raid bosses for the start of various expansions.
I think person don't actually pay attention to how much of the lore of Warcraft is presented in VERY missable ways... and I don't even know why they want it shoved deeply in everyone face... When they're writing a whole world, it kinda make sense that those who are less astute would miss things... I didn't miss anything mentioned in this video tho because I was static'ing with a shadow priest for legion and bfa so it I got to watch a lot of it.
I'm so excited to see Xal'atath for War Within. Also looking forward for Part 2 of Xal'atath Lore when the expansion releases because her being the main villain for the World Soul Saga will be very cool specially with alot of build up from the Shadow Priest Dagger and even BFA's side story.
I love how everyone is ok with Xal'atath being introduced as a source of many of WoWs lore events but everyone lost their minds when Blizz introduced the Jailor and the First Ones , even thought they have the same level of retcon which btw none of them are truly retcons since none of them change what happen but instead add more information to it.
I just dont trust wow to do these types of stories. They haven't stuck a *major* villain since Arthas or Onyxia. Maybe Lei Shen if you count him as major. I guess im just happy the horde isnt forced to be accessories to the antagonist for another expansion.
I feel like they are re-evaluating their writing style. With DF we already see a major villain not being fought and transitioning into the next one with Iridikron.
as a longterm priest player and rper i can safely say Natalie Seline and this stupid blade's history goes TOO far back. The void lords are the most powerful untapped source cough cough why i fought so hard for velf lore being so deeply concrete vs the common "the alliance just wants elves" -shoulda had helfs the whole time-
Kinda hope Midnight gives the Void Elves some more love again. And finally their own city on Azeroth. Considering Xal'ataths great visuals, its time for the Void elves to finally get their improved set of customization options with ritual marks and more interesting eye variations (while I still feel liek Xal'ataths eyes are what should have been the night warrior option, I now really want them for Void Elves, as well as N'zoth old god style eyes). I also hope for some good new void themes armor sets.
Came back to wow after 11ish years and I have to say the talking artifact weapons are a blast (I especially love whenever Aluneth decides to eat a nearby mana source).
I like to think her mindset is like the Joker from The Dark Knight. "Do I look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do if I caught one. I just do things"
I'm confused why you frame it like the war with the aqir is what lead to the existence of night elves. Night elves formed from dark trolls who lived in seclusion around the spot Ysharrj was ripped from. There's no correlation between the war with the aqir and the societal position of dark trolls. Seems like a bit of a misleading way to represent the birth of Nelves?
I like the idea that she just seeks to create chaos using whatever knowledge she has from the Old Gods but it spirals into something far more than what she was expecting but doesn't really care because chaos is chaos.
I absolutely agree that so much of WoW's story delivery anticipates a degree of long term engagement that is becoming more and more hubristic to assume. That said, thank you very much for the concise and entertaining catch-up! I consider myself a "lore guy," and hadn't put all of her schemes together in some time if ever, and you did so quite well, thank you!
It's just like Deathwing when cata cames out. Only those who read the books did know who Deathwing was and why he was so dangerous. All other WoW players where like: " What Dragon?"
Awesome video! Though I agree her story is hard to find in-game, I really like how it “moves in the shadows” and plays into how her movements were overlooked and now look at where she is.
I have a feeling there will be a Xal'atath will have her own animated short prior to the release of The War Within. Could give us background on her story for those who haven't played a shadow priest in Legion and/or did the questline in BFA.
i know every expansion needs a "big bad" but hear me out, she was ancient when the world was young. she doesnt do things for no reason but it also doesnt mean those reasons and intentions are bad. lets hear her out. let her do a thing and see where this goes, Azeroth is CLEAN from old god STDs and about to hatch from her egg so whats the worst that can happen?
So xala'teth will be the new mastermind who is always 10 steps ahead of the players, who has her legion of simps, can always have plot armor, and will be exploited for several expansions, probably receiving large amounts of "how did she get that power?" Sounds like they sufficiently replaced sylvanas.
Okay, next expansion will be about the void and the villain, Xalatath But what about Iridikron? Will he just be forgotten like that after Dragonflight?
This highlights the issue of WoW's storytelling because as someone who played through this and loved it, I did not even consider how many people may have missed this.
I actually love the fact that, for once, we have a villain that has been built up by including a small section of the playerbase that would care and as such, have personal attachment to her. This method of storytelling works well into the narrative that will come in War Within because it provides solid breadcrumbs to prove that she does, indeed, work in the background and pulls strings to get what she wants. This is how masterminds need to be written and this is how mystery is built from such writings. In order for characters, especially villains, to be believable, they need to act in ways that make sense to their character and it wouldn't make remotely any sense to write a scheming, solitary figure like Xal'atath to have open connections to everyone else. Let these characters exist to be discovered by the handful rather than the few, because having them jump onto a soapbox without any build up or intimacy is how we get the Jailor. Afterall, what made characters like Sylvanas cool to most people was, namely, her ability to be discovered in Silverpine Forest, working intimately with Horde players' who would of been encountered mostly by fresh level 20 Blood Elves or Forsaken back in the day. .
The moment i realized claudia christian voiced something for this video i freaked tf out, shes so incredible its unreal omfg how did you pull that off?!
I always thought something was different about my Artifact weapon in Legion. That’s why I continued to play Shadow Priest. I too enjoyed the journey with her.
Im not wow player (guild wars 2 in fact) but im watching here and there some story bits and man, lady 16:20 looks awesome and adorable, i would fall for corruption for sure :D
