We don't know that. Rhino Prime seems to be pretty salty, but why, we don't know (given that Ballas claimed that the frames are all based on actual people, my bet is that he was a cannibal or a glutton). Inaros is the only one lore wise that seems to show actual hate towards the Empire. EDIT: Other than Excal Umbra.
I don't think the other Orokin were necessarily evil, until the last days of the Old War when they were forced to do anything for victory. We need the Red Veil and New Loka to reform it into the high-tech utopia it used to be. Also hopefully find a way to place unifnested people into Warframes.
Takezo Kimura I believe he found a way to actually put on a custom made Warframe on himself without need for infestation. But that's only my crazy speculation
They most probably will at some point. Not until this time next year though. For now DE wants to focus on developing and releasing their new open world Venus environment and the lore that will come with it.
Just to confirm. The Prime warframes were the original frames made by the Orokin. The regular versions are the ones which the Tenno reverse engineered. But how does Umbra fit in here? And why was he modeled after Excalibur? Didn't Ballas create Excalibur Prime first? Why would he create another warframe with the same design? This scratches my head to this day. Any hints and ideas would be appreciated.
Warframes used to be actual people that got altered by the virus umbra the first and only original warframe meaning that all other frames were modeled after umbra another thing umbra also still retained some of his feelings or emotions was it cant remember it may sound like its contradicting since its complicated but basically umbra doesn't need a tenno to operate. Long story short every other frame was modeled after umbra, as well as a correction excalibur was the one who was modeled after umbra not the other way around Another quick edit if im not wrong correct me if i am but i bellieve that it was the tenno who reverse engineered excalibur
Alexander Cane That'd be a little much for a warframe. Excal Umbra already gets Insane prime mods, I think a focus system dedicated to him and other umbra frames would be a little crazy.
Hmmm what if after Margulis was executed, Ballas took her body and formed into the sentient we have seen in the ending of sacrifice. We already know that Lotus was indeed a Sentient (somewhat mentioned in Second Dream) made to destroy the Warframes but she've realized that killing them was wrong and it was Margulis' influence that drove her to stop it and to atone for what she have done in killing the warfrmaes, she become the lotus and guide the tenno and warframes. (im not sure but thats how I see the lore in this game).
make yourself the lore :P its fun. 2 Dax married. 1 of em gonna die so they try to Save him/she and the other dont want to be alone so wanna become a warframe too and they do it together and they become equinox :v
Day form is just more masculine female. Or that is what DE has said. But Equinox should have some kinda lore due it's so unique ability to change a form.
Just a little bit of my experience, I choose the moon answer, 'the circle is broken' and Ballas said 'This is what she sees in you' maybe it's what Margulis sees in us, like Ballas said 'They can learn the way to see inside this ugly broken thing, and take away its pain'
I haven't finished the vid yet, but I have a question. If we build warframes, who do we use to make them. I mean if they are infected soldiers, then how come we can just craft them like some tools when they are living things. We don't see any bodies just tied up and inject the virus or something. I mean it explains spectres in the sense that we know how they go around without the operator, but even then we dont see a victim. Also, there are multiple operators with the same kind of Warframes. Aren't they supposed to be individuals? Each unique and different. Each kind of Warframe is different, but if there are multiple of one type it is just confusing
helmint make the warframes but he dont use dax of course he use the things we farm :P (in the second dream our warframe brake WAR itself so they have a silver of life inside but not as much as the Original warframes i think :D )
When Warframes were made, The first perfected ones were the Primes. Primes were first, then all the ones the Tenno build are basically clones. They analyze the substances (crafting materials) and replicate then in the foundry. So basically from what I get from this, the tenno doesn't need to start the whole process of infecting someone to make a warframe, they just make knockoffs/clones
I'm not even sure we're creating the same Warframes the Orokin did when the empire existed. From my understanding about the prime objects we have, we're actually creating replicas of Warframes and other prime items. That may explain why Zaw weapons are stronger than some prime weapons: steel made by a blacksmith beats machine-printed steel, I guess. My main concern is how the Operator can create a ship inside of a ship - or even how large our inventory is physically speaking
I think it boils down to having more than one way of building something , they Orkin were making infected soldiers to fight the Tenno just need a surrogate body. So they may not be the same hence Umbra was a mistake so maybe Warframes aren't built that way anymore since those warframes did turn on the Orkin. So maybe the other Warframes are different? or the Tenno substitute things since they really don't need or want to go through the whole infecting process to get a self operating Warframe.
This explained a lot about Rhino Prime's codex, the raging, blood thirsty golem is Rhino, and the 2 people in the codex entry found where the Tenno was kept, so the Tenno could calm and control the beast
What if it was in Rhino Prime's Codex but wasn't talking about Rhino Prime himself? What if the codex was about the original, wild, infested-human Rhino? Rhino Umbra?
Geo Net maybe. but i like to think that Excal umbra is unique and one of a kind since he knows ballas personally and only he could dare defy an executor.
Even though I agree that what you said sounds better, DE already mentioned that Excalibur will not be the only Umbra, and they will slowly start releasing more and more Umbra Frames just like what they are doing with Prime Frames. You will just get them in a different way instead of relics
And so with one video you made your channel the first I rationally subscribed. Congratulations I had not thought on the idea that Stalker could just be like umbra an infected soldier turned to a frame and crazed for revenge. Gave me something to think and maybe a path to understanding that Stalker might be another victim instead of a Nemesis. Have a great day and thank you for the insight.
Man in the wall had new interactions too :O he said “how do you feel kid?” Operator answered “Isaah, I killed isaah” then he said “good, remember that.” Smile and disappear. I think somewhere down the line they’ll have to tell us what does all this really mean?
I think only Umbras have a human body inside a warframe and the primes are perfectly built bio machines that requires no human in them hence the no "will" part for the tenno to control. That also explains why Umbras act on their own when get out of it since its the person inside it is now controlling it.
Wrong. All warframes now are perfectly built bio machines using raw materials. But all warframes built by the orokin are infected warriors. When the infected warframes well wiped of their will and memories, and then fitted with transference bolts, they became primes.
Yes. They did until they were wiped of their will and fitted with transference bolts. All except Excalibur Umbra. That dude was tortured and his will wasn't wiped completely. He was made to forecer relive his memory of being forced to kill his own son, by Ballas himself. That's also why his transference bolt is unique.
So... let's see if I understood this correctly: The original Warframes, the ones the Tenno first bonded with, were like Umbra? They had their own mind? And the ones we build are just clones with basic instincts (Second Dream: Warframe pulls War out of its chest), but have no mind of their own? Since we built Umbra in the foundry (admittedly after getting all the data - memories included? - from his leftovers) would we get similar results if we would rebuilt the original Warframes and not just knock offs? What I need to know is...the original Warframes, back in the golden days of the Tenno under the Orokin Empire, were they like Umbra? That IS why they were necessary in the first place.
Nice video as always. But one thing i never quite figure out. When exacly Natah disguised herself as Margulis? If its before Margulis killed then what happened Margulis in that period? Did Natah imprisioned her? If its after Margulis killed then shouldnt people and Tennos notice? They should like: ''Whats up Margulis? Oh wait didnt u died??''
i completely forgot about the stalker, but looking back at it now... it seem like umbra and stalker have a similar origins... which is interesting... BUT... could we... theoretically, cleanse the stalker? i mean we helped umbra get over his past... and if we could do that with stalker, wouldnt that mean he can become an ally? after all, we are technically not even his enemy anymore, he seeks revenge on those who killed the orokin, and he thinks we killed them, but it was actually all part of ballas plan, which means if ballas hadnt acted, the orokin would still be alive... therefor, ballas is technically stalkers enemy yup, thats interesting
Alot of speculation on stalker since the umbra quest. So we see stalker now as another umbra? Is he the more prototype than the umbras? Or was he more like a "normal" variant as a prime to a normal relation? Does he know about the person of umbra? Or the project of it? If my memory serves correct stalker served as a lesser guard in the orokin empire and was slain by the tenno along with his fellow acolytes.
AutismoBox hunhow had asked stalker "what happened to orokin? The way of your life?" or something like that, so theres a plothole that stalker was likely an umbra
Pan Based on the umbra cinematic it is highly possible that stalker could be an "umbra" in function since we could link his sturdy resolve to kill the tenno similar to umbra's hate for ballas. However we do not know if stalker was part of warframe transformation project. If he knew then. Was he part of it as a late entry? A candidate for prime? A volunteer for the orokin's glory? Or was it a last ditch attempt to get back at the tenno? I.E attempting to become a warframe without an operator much like umbra? If he didn't then we can assume that hunhow (having connections with ballas) could have created stalker as a "lesser" variant of umbra?
All warframes made by orokin were once exactly like Excalibur Umbra. The only difference is that they were kind wiped and fitted with transference bolts. Turned into primes, puppets for tenno. Excalibur Umbra wasn't completely wiped because Ballas wanted to torture him. He made him keep the memory of Issah's murder forever, using a unique transference bolt.
After watching umbra fight while I'm on operator mode I would love to see, maybe in the next quest, all my warframe's fighting together and using all my weapons to, I dont know, kill a bunch of sentients after our ship get's destroyed and our tenno is wounded or something, that would be really cool.
Maybe Margolis memory is still in the lotus helmet. We still have it after the quest. I hope the Tau system is the secret project that DE is working on. And will be released at tenocon . It will be a mic drop moment.
As always nice video :D. By the way, did you had the new interaction with the man in the wall. Because I did and it was a lot different from just the "hey kiddo". My operator and him had a short but a whole conversation who was quite strange
A few things I'm confused on when it's coming to the lore. 1) is Helmet the actual viral strain or is it that room and chair that is meant to monitor the frames and it was the technocyte virus. 2) I've known heard from multiple stand points that some people knew about Ballas turning traitor on the Empire and working with Hunhow and the Sentients. From the story quest it seemed like Umbra was possibly the only one and this may have known, and this actually may have been done post Margulis death so not even Nathan/Lotus would have known about what he did (possibly because Hunhow would have kept the info to himself, he seems like that kinda fella). any thoughts on this?
why I can't find lore about the sentinels they are like docile sentients to Tennos but they attack grinners and corpus its all I got from the description
The Primed and Regular Warframes are clones of the Umbras. Alad V said in the War within quest that he has cracked open a couple Warframes and they were born of no mother. IE the are clones. The Primed ones are the clones the Orokin made. And the regular Warframes are the clones the Tenno created because they did not have access to the Primed ones. We know the Orokin had cloning Technology due to the existence of the Grinner. And we know the more the Grinner are cloned the more they degrade. The cloning would be similar to the Warframes that happen to the Grinner when cloned. The orginal Umbras are the Orginal so they are the more powerful, then Primed, Then the Tennos version.
isaah is probably the stalker.......... he probably did not die and would volunteer to be a frame.... and left his son.... teshin.. so teshin is probably the grand son of umbrah... maybe...
In the back of my mind I feel like DE kinda gave the Warframes the Spartan treatment from Halo when it comes to lore vs gameplay. In Halo lore the Spartans are described as a near unstoppable force, especially the II’s. And judging from prime trailers and cutscenes I feel like our warframes are capable of much more than we are, like ALOT more capable, like unlimited energy capable.
Yes, we know this when this when the Beast of Bones tried to kill Orkin whom to him was the equivalent of killing gods. Only to kill several and have them laugh at him. Saying they have cheated death many times. They can't die from old age because they take their souls and put into new bodies once theirs start to fail( for corpus 100yrs is considered young(I believe Darvo's father called him young and hes like 100 plus years of age)so we can infer they had long life and when it ended they just swapped bodies). We know about the body switching from the War Within quest. Furthermore the idea of reviving someone is not strange to Warframe as when Hunhow was defeated the plan was for him to be revived for a surprise attacked but one of his follower in charge of doing so betrayed him. I left out details to avoid spoiling anything what so ever.
ghost59able (SPOILER WARNING) it depends. Ordis came back as a cephalon. Margulis I'm not sure about, Idk if she is actually part of the lotus or if the lotus just acts like her and she's actually dead. Ballas looked pretty dead but since the lotus carried him off into space, maybe he will survive. And all the this millions of orokin we killed in the old war, well, I haven't seen any of them come back so I think they are dead for good
SPOILERS The only reason Ordis came back as a cephalon is that they used Kuva to remove his soul from his dying body and imprison in a cephalon as a cruel joke. As the Beast of Bones wished for death but as a super advanced AI his life would be endless the exact opposite of what he wanted. Margulis at this point of time is believed dead, we know she was executed by the "jade light" whatever that means and that Ballas believes she is dead. I believe as Lotus tried to destroy the Tenno some how the memories of Margulis ended up imprinting into her memory making her feel sympathy, some how.
So all warfres where humans and they should have a story is there a story for chroma if there can someone tell me about him also can we say that the lotus now is evil or the evil itself and is stalker just like umbra and also I think that stalker is good but the orokins or hunhow mind controled him last thing please tell me are hunhow and lotus sentient or orokins and are the sentients like the mimics that we killed and what is eidolon and who created him please tell me and for what
Kathy Kat That was the original story from my understanding but as it's layed out by Ballas in the Sacrifice he makes it sound like the infestation was an old technology they turned to in response to the sentients but it predated the sentient threat... I wonder what it's original target was.
Everyone says te quest didnt add anything new. But i dont rremember knowing exactly what warframes were or what actually started yhe war woth te sentients.
a very angry dude who his master was slayed by bunch of children because the orokin lord got bamboozle at the very end. Maybe like umbra because he alive only too kill you.
So warframes were created by the orokin, the first being umbra and the final being primes and the regular frames like plain ol rhino are cheap knock offs of the primes and are created in the foundry. I understand all that but I was told that the frames used to be alive and had stories to them, so what happened to them? Just what is the difference between say rhino and rhino prime (Unless primes were just machines like iron man's armour), are they the same or different person? When we get a prime is it a knock off of the prime? Who controlled the primes before the whole ship incident thing, cause if they were just "armour" I assume the tenno weren't born yet/created? If the regular frames, (Not forged in foundry) were alive, how were they "born"/come to be?
There is no date, but I can assume they'll fix the bugs, then make a build for the console then send it over for approval and then you'll get it. Some I'm guessing mid July to late August but I really don't know these things.
Something is not right if you see specifically sentients are also weapons created by orokin and later betrayed by orokin its true that they hate orokin so does tenno then why are they hunting us we have a common cause so why can't we coexist and what happened to orokin where are they I got a feeling its far more complex than it seems
now that we know how warframes where made. now we just need to know *WHO* they where. Umbra was a Dax so it's safe to say that the excaliburs where all Daxs or similar. now who was Nidus, who was Ember, who was Equinox? that is all I want to know now.
All Warframes were randoms. They explain that they were comprised of volunteers (i.e. Dax soldiers, and possibly others whom were fanatical of the Orokin) and others whom were forced into the process (Most likely low class citizens, homeless people, prisoners, political opponents, etc). So we can't really know who was who, since regardless, they were all tortured in the process of being turned into a Warframe.
what I mean is does a person's skill influence what kind of warframe they become. and why does Equinox have to forms, were they two different people fused into one? and as such.
I honestly doubt it simply because of the fact that the stalker isn't "broken" like Umbra, he is aware that he must bring upon reckoning on the tenno traitors that finished what the sentiments started. So there would be nothing for the tenno to fix.
