Warhammer 3 Kislev Unit Roster Tier List 

In the end times, when the entire world is crumbling and daemons, dragons, elves and humans fall into whatever oblivion awaits them, mousing over Tzar Guard will show you "Confident"(66/80). Absolute chads.

I feel like Snow Leopards could be viable if they had Stalk. Thematically it makes sense and they could be used for sniping artillery and ranged units.

It's crazy to me that Legend can play beyond his Livestream time. I don't think I like anything enough to do it as a full-time job AND for fun. The man is dedicated

I'm so happy that the "Bear with Sled"-memestack is actually viable.

Despite their cost, Streltsi never disappointed me, and I really like to have 4 to 6 of them as my actual frontline with a couple of patriarchs in front of them, their ability to delete any lord coming in range is excellent, and as opposed to other firearm units, they aren't total garbage when they get engaged in melee. However I play in Normal battle difficulty so things might be different from my perspective. Cheers for the rest of the tierlist!

It's very weird to see Legend praise a higher-tier dedicated melee infantry... Especially one that's in a faction whose theme is centered on hybrid units. This is a strange timeline.

So glad War Bears didn't end up being a disappointment, fun to use and good are a good combo.

3 Little Groms in an army of Ice Guards or War Bears are my go to "doomstack" - they are super accurate (to the point the'yre actually good at sniping Lords or monster units with a few volleys), their projectiles punch through Infantry/small entities ranks dealing tons of damage, they get a lot of ammo and general stats boost with Lords trees and tech, and they're a bit slow but an actual chariot you can smash into infantry (without anti-large bonus at least) that will live long enough to add the value if there's a Patriarch or two around to heal them. Even low tier stacks, like Kossars spams, can be fairly competent late game having these around. The only downside is the arc of fire being quite flat. They may look like a mortar but it's closer to the cannon - that makes terrain awareness important on bumpy maps.

E-Bear should have an aura that slows and reduce enemy melee attack to be somewhat viable.

For me the only tier list I really want to see is the "Settlement Tower tier list" the ones you build for supplies. It is really hard to tell if you should save for a better one or get extra cheaper ones and each faction is different. The units tier list are cool but not that useful as I can easly judge them by looking at the stats most of the time.

There is also a research that gives the grypon legion 15% extra weapon strength, and a landmark in Praag reduces their upkeep for all armies AFAIK.

I feel like the warbear sleds are pretty much the war wagons but good this time

I dont know if it would cause the Gryphon Legion to move out of B tier but i do think it is worth mentioning the unique building for them in Praag that makes them a tier 3 unit and also reduces upkeep by 10/20%. I know the tier list mostly focuses on the unit in a vaccum with the lord but unless things are going ass up you tend to get Praag pretty early.

The only thing I'll say is that horse archers are insanely effective at taking minor settlements. I've taken minor settlements with on 4-5 of them, just constantly running between points and capping them before the enemy could respond. It's admittedly a niche, and as soon as a real army appears you have to flee, but its hilarious and does 100% work.

Watching you from Kiev now, this video really helped me a lot during hard times, thanks a lot

I agree with cav being disappointing... But you are on the mark with chasing down armies. I found that weak low level cav is amazing for forcing armies to break faster when engaged and flanked. The cav will chase down a unit that has a chance of getting back in the fight while the unit they initially engaged can move on to the next fight.

not buying the game until theres more updates just watching to support

The ice guard in my opinion is one of the best in the game within the main lords army their upkeep is literally 49/59 gold

I hope you will also do a hero tier list soon because that video was incredibly helpful!

Couldn't agree more. Kislev's roster is very well balanced, super versatile and also very fun. Specially the Ice Guard and the War Bears, which are AMAZING. Little Grom also suprised me, I thought a single entity artillery piece would suck, but damn they are well worth 4 empire cannons all on their own!

As I realized that the siege towers of each faction each have towers on every tier that vastly vary in ther effectivness I would be interested in a tier list for towers and barricades for the playable factions.

tip for the little grom: if you hit a wall from a side angel the cannon ball will bounce off the wall and hit the tower next to it so you basicly use 1 cannon ball to break the wall and a tower in 1 shot

I distinctly remember having an elemental bear lose a melee fight with a single squad of blue horrors. They also die very often in autoresolve. Also, their ice breath is hugely weird as you mentioned. So glad war bears are rated so high. When I used the heal on a squad at half health (still all 8 bears btw) it immediately healed to nearly full. Insane

A thing that bugs me with Little Grom. Is, the picture, looks like a Mortar But its a cannon

I went into the final battle with nothing but Ice Guard and War Bears, so them being in S tier makes sense to me. A shame about the Winged Lancers and Gryphon Legion being somewhat disappointing: they are so typical Slavic/Kislev.

Elemental Bears are great for creating a giant tarpit/blob of enemies that you the destroy using Heart of Winter and ranged fire. They have a lot of durability, and a Patriarch on a War Bear mount for healing helps them stay in the fight even longer. You don't need a lot of them. Send a single Elemental Bear running out ahead of your army and have it charge directly into the enemy's center. The AI will blob it. Cast Heart of Winter, and start firing with your ranged units. Then hit them with Hawks of Miska for the de-buff to leadership. The enemy center will collapse under the damage caused by spells and ranged fire, and the rest of the battle is just clean up. Elemental Bears are not a versatile unit. They have only one trick, tarpitting, but it's a battle winning trick.

From a couple multiplayer battles I've seen, the Little Grom is INSANELY accurate, and the cannonball plows through even ranks of ogres. It's amazing watching a line of ogres get deleted and the cannonball sometimes STILL flying through the other side.

Legend talking about not having to deal with scary large entities early as Kislev gives me nightmares of Skarbrand hard marching to my capital with skull crushers, flesh hounds, and exalted bloodletters

You absolutely need the great weapon kossars to deal with Khorne and Nurgle midgame. You have no other anti-armor at that point. Basically Tzar Guard and Ice Guard are all you're going to need in the long run though. Worth noting: Little Grom are general assassination machines.

With the addition of the outpost alliance mechanic, it could be cool in those videos to hear advice on what allies units it's useful to recruit into your armies, especially for your most likely allies (Empire for Kislev). For example: can Kislev benefice from some outriders or hellstorm rocket battery?

I personally tote around 3 or 4 streltsi to deal with huge threats like Soul Grinders or the big Daemons; they're fairly effective at shutting down Soul Grinders of Tzeentch in the Boris Quest, which is only really where I use them

Impeccable timing, started my first campaign with Kislev yesterday

I'd love to see you tackle a tier list of, like, allied units. You can only have 4 per army and it can help you cover certain weaknesses in your roster, which makes for an interesting personal objective. Trying to find an allied faction that compliments your army the most. You could wait til the Mortal Empire campaign of course, but I'd be interested in your take of best combos while the roster is still limited, just to get your thoughts on allied units out of the way.

This is just what I needed over dinner! I can't wait to devour these lists. When I played the prologue I struggled to make use of the dervishes, even on that difficulty, so I definitely learned something during the tutorial. A real shame that the horse units are split between two chains, too. It means the first one is only good for the skirmishers and the hussars. Maybe with enough dlc units they'll move the chains around like in warhammer 2. Always been a fan of fast-moving fortresses and when I picked the war sled in the prologue I was so content with the stats of them. Good bear cavalry stats means no insta-death, and SO MUCH AMMO. hapi :)

I would put sreltsi at b or even a tier. I tried to do armies with 6 armored kossars with shields and 5 streltsi and checkerboard them. It does wonders. I know that missile damage of streltsi is approximately the same as regular kossars but for some reason I feel that streltsi do work better even against norska armies. It might be accuracy or just the fact that they always target first row of infantry (thus kinda slowing down the charge). Oh, and they are definetly better against stonehornsł

I appreciate these tier-lists a LOT But in this case i can't agree with the placement of the Streltsi I like to put 3-4 of them in my armies Good Unit for Lordsniping and for killing Soulgrinders also useful when going up against Khorne armies with the Chaos Warriors and when fighting Ogres Definitely nothing for a doomstack of any kind, but in a balanced unit very good, especially if Iceguards aren't really available yet And they are really useful to just opliterate the Vamire Counts in the early game

Helpful and insightful as always, love how pragmatic your commentary is.

Mostly agree! 1) a mix of Kossars is very good. Hybrid units are awesome. 2) Dervishes are good for taking settlement points. After time, I transition to missile cav 3) Sleds win battles 4) I use Hussars as hammer to anvils 5) I don't use TzarGuard but Ice Guard are extremely effective (slowed enemy is key). I think that Praag makes really good Winged Hussar buffs and tech tree makes Sleds even better. I also don't consider using El. Bear. I wish that Streltsi were more viable! They are good in theory, but don't have a need for them.

Snow Leopard is more of a multiplayer unit, good for hunting casters and aiding well in single entity combat for a relatively small price.

Thanks for the ranking hope to see the other faction rooster their lists!

Cats can be very effective in Co-op settlement attacks. They have decent capture weight, are very fast and the fact that they're tiny single entities means you can weave past defenders and get the capturing whichever point you want them to. It's micro intensive, but I don't think any other unit can do what they can when it comes to backline disruption. As actual combat units they're worthless though.

I was looking forward to this video! Thank you for another great analysis.

By Tzeentch! Ive been waiting for this.... Much love, Legend!

I remember the first Elemental Bear I hired. That was painful to get and by that time I had Boris. I hired two. I put them into my ice guard army. Microed my artillery and my archers. But the elemental bears somewhere where they could cause trouble. They melted immediately. I could save them but I think overall it would have been better if I had instead kept the patriarch building, put those on a bear and let them do what the elemental bears could not. If they reduced the upkeep of the bears to 0 they still would bee too expensive. They cost an army slot. I think I can get more value out of kossars. Those fight in the streets of minor settlements nearly to the death and will make the life of any northern aggressor quite difficult. Man, kossars are quickly levied. I remember when one of my minor settlements was attacked. The enemy brought steam tanks. Would you believe it? Gopniks in tanks. My kossars held. Because they were fighting for their homes and were not a bunch of drunk gopniks in a war of aggression and the kossars knew why they were there when the gopniks didn't even know the name of their father. Bring kossars. Not bears. Kislev.

I've been playing Kislev in a co-op game with friends and I would have to agree with the low tier units where they're at. Also I started with Kostaltyn and his bear. You are spot on about him getting stuck in melee and not really being as effective as you might think when looking at it on paper. It's always so helpful to see how you rank these. Thank you!

Lines up pretty well with my VH/VH experience. I just wish Kislev(Katarin)'s position wasn't so horrid to play. I love their roster and building schemes.

Find myself surprisingly disagreeing with the snow leapord. When I started the kat campaign I looked at its stats and just wrote it off figuring I would either sacrifice it at some point or it would get replaced. Damned if that little thing didn't do work, and grudgingly got my respect after I threw it into several situations I expected it to die or lose in. A few major reasons for that the more I have played with them. First their small footprint makes it insanely easy to get them into the smallest gaps, and their attack animations are quite quick, so they can tear things up faster than you would expect. Second, they are a rare source of anti large, and for their cost punch way over their value vs large. Third they make amazing companions to a unit of Gryphon legion, allowing them to handily win engagements the gryphons would struggle vs, while providing a distraction from the low health of the leapord. Like I said I went into the campaign looked at its stats and wrote the thing off, but time and again I was impressed by the thing, it probably earns low b tier high c tier imo, I found them useful especially in secondary armies to save cash.

I'm not an expert, but I personally would put Armored Kossars 1 tier higher. They're great as line holders and having an infantry unit that can also shoot is great. I have gotten a lot of mileage from them by slowing units down enemies with an ice wizard while my front line and back line shred enemy units to pieces with ranged fire.

I would argue with the use of armoured kossars who are a good options if you optimise your growth and economy before military buildings. You have to wait for tzar guard for a bit and having like 4-6 armoured kossars as a frontline for a kossar stack is very costeffective for b armies in mid game. Another argument is for streltsy who are a must if you are planning to invade the empire instead of trade+auxilaries. I personally like to take over ostland (little kislev kek) for an extra money province and empire is bad at managing their chaos portals which just leaves you surrounded. And empire units aren't really something you want outside of allying reikland for steamtanks and canons which aren't really that needed when you are under pressure. So if you want to taccle the south early on, streltsy are very welcome to deal with all the greatswords. They are also good against dwarfs and I think the vampire counts melt quicker to streltsy than their double weight in cossars but thats a feeling.

Streltzi are the things you hire early on when dealing with the likes of Azazel and other flying lords, as they'll shred them with their bullets. Replacing them with Ice guard is normally the aim for the endgame armies

I love happy vibes in Lened voice when he finishes this tier list. Shows that he is entertained by Kislev and has fun with it.

Regarding frontline units, it's worth noting that armored kossars can be recruited in 1 turn, but tzar guard take 2. I've been playing normal battle difficulty for now, so maybe they won't hold up as well in VH, but for now I gravitate more toward the armored kossars due to their ease of recruitment. Definitely agree about shields over great weapons, though.

A bit disappointed the Elemental Bear didn't end up being a better unit, but after watching multiple gameplays, i gotta agree with you. Elemental Bear is so slow and often gets staggered, as it is even with regeneration they are mostly a giant damage sponge.

potential idea, a video going over good choices for ally recruitment for the different factions.

Just started my second campaign as Skrag and I'm really intrigued to see what units you rate highly. I'm having a great time smashing the Empire at the moment. Leadbelchers absolutely pummel the enemy army as they approach, I had 4 units of Gnoblar trappers rout 2 units of Reiksgard (hilarious) and just your regular Bulls can punch through the enemy lines and then wreak havoc with ranged units and flank/rear charge to win any fights your main line is stuck in. This isn't even touching on Gorgers which are OP from all accounts. Just a good time all round so far, actually more straightforward than my previous Tzeentch campaign but much more micro involved in keeping the lads moving to avoid getting shot up.

I haven't watched the video yet but I can almost guarantee streltsi are low tier because of the line of sight issues

Streltsi will get time to shine once more armored factions come to play. Warriors of chaos and probably against chaos dwarfs. But 2-3 units of them can really helps you against khorne and its great that they are buffed from same tree as kossars. But for now spamming them is not ideal. Nice tierlist though. Elemental bears are such a disaster..

Really wish Kislev had wolf units too, wargs or dire wolves would of been cool :( Also i'd put the armoured kossars in c not b, i feel like they don't do that great of a job for what they're meant to be. I'd get Kossars and Armoured Kossars with shields almost exclusively for a starting early army, maybe some mounted bows to skirmish better and no more than a couple spear Kossars to act as a spearmen if ever needed but otherwise always as archers.

I would move heavy sled down one because their building has to be in a large settlement slot while the light sled can be built in a small settlement slot and I would move the elemental bear up one with asterisk fun factor only, I just find they are super entertaining alongside war bears and groms as Boris doing bear themed play.

One thing worth mentioning about light war sleds vs heavy war sleds: Light war sleds have an entity mass of 1600, heavy sleds 2200. So even with their lower speed, heavy sleds do a decent bit more damage on charge impact (since charge impact damage is determined by unit mass, not the charge bonus stat) So heavy sleds are amazing crowd control units against low-mobility factions that tend to field a lot of cheap, garbage tarpit infantry and still have the same AP missiles for dealing with armour and single entities. I still prefer light sleds for overall utility but there are a handful of situations where I might consider heavy sleds instead.

Based on my playthrough - which admittedly was on a lower difficulty: I had decent luck with the Streltsi. I'd probably put them at B if they were a little cheaper or the ice guard cost more. Their cost is mainly what was holding the back; the ice guard are SO much better value. B is probably right for the armoured kossar but I still felt the shielded variant did so damn well for how early you can get them. Some of my support armies kept using them right 'til the end. Elemental Bears...yeah. I wish they were better but I really struggled with them. Snow Leopards I'd place higher. I actually liked keeping one or two around. They were decent at responding to problems when I fucked up and their smaller hitboxes meant they survived longer than I expected to. I think they're the one that benefitted most from playing on a lower combat difficulty than Legend though. I slept on the light war sleds for way too long. Definitely an S tier. I expected the others to be their, but the sleds really blew past my expectations. Dervishes need their own F tier.

This was my first campaign for TW3, and I built elemental bear doom stack with just about as much boost as I could manage in Todd’s army. It was extremely underwhelming and I was walking out of fights barely scraping by. So I feel like that’s a good place for them!

Love this, So helpful. Cathey and Tzeentch next pleaseee

I somewhat understand what you mean about the elemental bears being kinda derpy, or whatever, but i will say ive seen them rack up 500+ kills and insane amounts of damage in several battles and they've played a really pivotal role in quite a few stacks that I have put together. Hard to control but once you get the hang of it they can be extremely useful despite the upkeep cost. It also helps to only recruit them in armies led by Lords of a higher level with the "Quartermaster" perk maxed out and the "Feared And Renown" perk adding up to a nice reduction of almost a quarter of your armies upkeep. I know it's "just like... my opinion, man", but i would place them in A or B at the VERY least. But yea snow leopards are trash, which is unfortunate considering how dope the model they made for them is. Summoned once super handy though.

snow leopards are AWESOME. they are super fast, so the enemy needs send everything they got to stop them. Making them easy pray for tempest bombardment. Its super hard for missiles to get them. And they dinner monsters, and are super cheap. I dunk on hell pit with a snow leopard doomstack. almost no experience or boost, and still dinner the hell pit abominations. Not even running served the skaven since they among the faster units.

You can summon snow lynx from all your mages.

Personally I find armored kossars (with shields) to be better than tzar guards. Their extra staying power isn’t needed as I use war sleds to break up the enemy on advance and my gun line tears them to pieces before that extra tankiness comes into play. The pistols do solid damage and just help reinforce the strategy I’m already using. Plus with red line buffs/tech etc… they are plenty tanky

Im in love with the Ice guards! Put some Tzar guard in front of them and they will snipe anything

I remember my first time playing warhammer tw, I played the empire and thought I could compose my army the same way you would in any other total war game. Swords, spears, archers, cav. I’m good to go. That was a quick and hard lesson I learned

The free snow leapord is pretty great early on, but not what you would recruit Sick it on the enemy lord when they get into melee and watch them get chunked for 1/5th of their health and yeeted out of the melee

Might be derpy for you but my Bear Elemental Misha was carrying and tanking for my Konstaltyn campaing hard at the start. Still having my rank 9 pet around.

I was really struggling with Kislev and especially the new mechanics in TW3; in addition to the Kislev lores of magic feeling so weak so thanks for this!

Quite happy, i wasn't that wrong in my campaign, the most notable error i did is i thought, and I still think that Strelsi are a A or B Tier unit, espacially against Ogre that are armored..., or fast monsters that dodges arrows. they can be recruit by one turn with a Tier III Praag (alongside the Armored Kossars) and has quite good staying powers. In my low tier armies i always try to put in 3/4 Strelsi, i'v found them quite good !

May I suggest in the friendliest of ways, knowing also the editing factor that you dislike... but perhaps adding a unit card (with stats etc) to the margin while youre talking of the unit in question would be a nice touch? Loving your work anyhow \o/

I'd bump the Armoured Kossar Shield + Axe to A tier (amazingly cost effective breachers in settlement battles), and possibly the Kossar to S tier, otherwise agree with the tier list 👍

A group of 3-4 streltsy buffed with a overcharged gust of true flight is something that made me give them a position in my armies.

Minus streltsi, I agree. I was lucky with my campaign with having a good economy despite the total invasion from the prince, SKARBRAND, and ku'gath. Even managed to stop skrag murdering the empire. Streltsi we're instrumental for murdering everything khorne factions threw at me. I did use a bear, and they seem to be ok in auto resolve, but other than that, they still definitely d tier.

I'm so sad to see the armor piercing ranged infrantry of Kislev so low in the list.

Great vid legend. Cathay would be intresting with their ying yang mechanics

If I had an Elemental Bear, I would use it the way CA did in the first Gameplay reveal. Only use it if I was fighting against something like an Exalted Bloodthirster, just to keep it pinned in place, so that what will actually kill the Bloodthirster has time to dish out that damage.

Personally would rate Streltsi at B tier, they are rifle infantry so they are fast shooters. This helps get quick shots that are accurate against characters and single entities whereas arrows are awkward sometimes. Would also rate Armoured Kossars with Shields at A tier, they are amazing at holding the line early on and tier 2 barracks is in no way a big hindrance for recruiting. Having even 2 in your army, though I tend to prefer 4-6, gives your frontline such a strong anchor. Plus unlike Tzar Guard they recruit in 1 turn, and their ranged attack isn't half bad at sniping lords with up close. They are a bit awkward at microing though, sometimes you want them in shoot mode, sometimes in melee mode so you got to click around a bit.

Yo Armored Kosars with shields should probably be in A tier. I just get like 6 of them for the frontline. They are meaty and their guns have good penetration. Its like the Tzar guards but they can shoot a bit. Very good for lord sniping too.

Playing the Kislev MP campaign, I had pretty good success with using Kostaltyn in an elemental bear doomstack (2 groms, 2 patriarchs, 1 tempest maiden, kostaltyn, 14 bears). With Kostaltyn's Frenzy they do pretty well. Haven't tried them in a single player Kislev campaign yet, though.

In my opinion, I would switch between the winged rrrrrrrrlancers and the snow leopard. The stats of the cavalry perhaps increase a bit but, I don’t feel the difference also they don’t have a anti-large or small or AP. However, the leopard has the anti-large and AP, takes only 1 turn to recruit ,and also it is on the first of the chain building of bear line. So, no one would build the horses building even though it can be built in minor settlements. But for the bear building, you might not get the bear if that region has only tier 3 settlement but, at least you got that leopard. Also, the first 2 buildings we almost build is money and growth and when it reaches tier 3 if we gonna build the horses, it will take 6 turns while another only takes 3 turns. From my experience, snow leopards aren’t that bad for they aren’t that big and they can deal with simple ogres or large units during the early stage of the game.

after many patches/years later I would expect a revisit on all tier lists for Warhammer 3

Ice guard are basically sisters of avelon, pairing with 4 little grom and few bear cav, you won't ever lose a single fight. Ice guard down right can shred down single entity units from monsters to lords, and mince anyone that gets close. While little grom add salt to injury, and bear cav to eat up any stragglers.

Great tier list Legend. It's shocking how bad the Horse Devishers and Frost Bear are!

Big thing to note about Little Grom, it actually has insane accuracy. I had two shooting some Soul Grinders. 8/10 shots hit perfectly. In comparison, Great Cannon's for Cathay have 4 models, so you'd think "Sure, less accurate but more shots.." The opposite happened, shooting a mammoth, 2/10 hit. Complete waste of time and ammo. Whatever you point Little Grom at, almost every shot lands. It's essentially a Russian Single Entity Warplock Jezzail

So on the topic of rating speed very high, I'd imagine the Slaanesh unit roster tier list would be quite interesting.

I’ve been arranging four streltsi (or however you spell it) in front of four kossars, who are in front of four kassars with spears to protect from cavalry running int my backside. Probably not optimal but I am stupid and it works.

Streltsi are low? I found them to be pretty good. Though, Ice Guard on Katarin is basically the way to go as they are fucking cheap.

I use leopards with Katerine, the stalk makes getting them in behind and flanks good, they shred gorebeast chariots before the AI can react. kinda my anti flanker unit, BUT you gotta use like 3 or more of them in a little pack, on their own they are kinda underwhelming

I think you are wrong about the Kosovite Dervishes. Yes, they are complete and utter trash in combat BUT they have a lot of utility. I started using them when defending settlements as they are a part of most garissons and started adding 1 or 2 units in my kossar crap stacks. I use them to bait faster units into attacking me and getting them to the kossars to be shot because I noticed that in WH3 the AI tries to keep the faster units within the army formation and not charge them as much. After that bait, I use them to get the other parts of the enemy army to chase them. They regularly occupy a big monster or a lord taking them out of the fight until the army losses trigger. As I said I think one or two of them is very useful and cost effective.

9:59 I already knew you were going to rank them as D tier, but when you couldn't even remember their name I went from pretty sure to absolutely sure lol. My generalist army build so far has been 3 Armored Kossars (shield) and 2 Streltsy as the frontline, 4 Ice Guard Swords and 2 Ice Guard Glaives as backline, 2 Little Groms behind that, 2 Heavy Sleds, and one big old Elemental Bear. Finally the commander and a caster (or a caster and patriarch depending). Its definitely not perfect and I have to agree with a lot of your rankings but I think I'm going to stick with this build for a bit longer. I enjoy having a frontline and backline with ranged, so although Tsar's guard would make the frontline hold longer, most battles the enemy is sufficiently weakened by ranged that they don't hold for long on the frontline. The streltsy's addition of armor piercing and more range than the Armored Kossars makes them complement each other well. The streltsy don't do as well in protracted melee, but the AP is a nice contibution in a army that doesn't have a lot of AP to go around. The 4/2 ice guard mix can definitely be altered depending on the amount of anti-large vs anti-infantry I need, but so far its a good mix. I personally like the heavier war sleds because although they're not as fast, I do use them frequently to charge already engaged enemies in the rear, and the extra armor does help their survivability. Most times they get caught by faster enemies they usually end up shooting there way out just fine with minimal damage. Finally although I agree that generally the Ice Bear's utility isn't massive, I find it a good choice for wading into where the melee is thickest and tanking damage, inspiring terror, and just generally being a big icy thorn in the enemy's side. Although likely the least useful it does have a certain cool factor (pun intended)

I was hoping kislev would have more variety in horse units, considering they're supposed to be descended from "steppe" peoples.

I got to disagree about snow leopards playing on hard/hard my katerin + tempest maiden + 3 patriarchs + 15 snow leopards doomstack has wrecked everything I sent it against.

Elemental bear is a must in late game for blobbing the enemy. You can make it unkillable with lore of ice and attract half the enemy army to it for ez nukes and pin cushioning. If you play kislev right youll only have 3 non cav units in melee, ever, unless you run out of ammo. You can melt 2 stacks before they touch you and then deal with the third up close.

Shocked at your rating of streltsi, they're by far one of the strongesst units. Their upkeep is a bummer but their DPS seems huge, they do well in melee if charged. On legendary the AI seem to throw random early game large units and lords at your face, and they just straight up delete them before they get close. I have 4-5 in every army

Look at Legend there, paraphrasing Bresnev with his "Quantity has a quality all of its own". Between this and the dragon Mao Zedong, it seems that he's comrade

I think streltsi need a cost reduction and an increase in their range damage. Like, shure, they are versatile, and I enjoy using them, it is nice to have a unit that can deal some damage in close combat, and shoot, but they aren't going to hold all that good, won't deal good damage in melee, and in range they are usefull only when enemy has armour. But it feels like that armour has been buffed, so when you do face armour and don't have streltsi then you wish you'd have. But then again, damage is minimal, it takes forever for 5 streltsi units to kill even a single stonehorn, and ogres tend to bring like 4 of them lategame, so even in this role they suck.