Immortal Empires AI Threat Tier List 

I'd rate dwarfs higher more mid tier due to it depending on the faction you chose and when and if you fight them. I've seen some insane ai doomstacks early game too like round 12

I think thorgrim added your subscription to manscape to the list of grudges. Hahaha

Nice guide for "Unnatural selection" mod. Many thanks! Great job!

Tzeentch. his time freeze shenaniganses pisses me of. feathered m-fcuker!!!

You should do a tier list for mounts for both LLs, normal lords and hero, rank from must get mounts to makes the lord weaker

Playing Eltharion and picking off N'kari early and throwing him in the forever box makes him quite a nice little exp farm for lords and heroes early since he can get quite scary for you units when he has a few levels. Getting rid of him though makes the rest of the lords and heroes a much bigger push over.

Damn you got lucky

I once saw N'kari lose the attack on chrace, he didn't get taken out, but chrace was still alive by turn 12 when I killed him of

Plus, if you're playing HEs then you're a hard counter to Slaanesh demon factions for sure

Lol I did the same!

truly his day in the sun

I guess he is a all or nothing kinda demon 😂

Can happen every once in a while, but in most of my campaigns N'kari was dead by turn 20 to 30.

Sexy demons? In Ulthuan? Surely you jest

In my Kislev campaign suddenly brettonia canceled their allegiance... Turns out N'Kari had everything west and north of me vassalized.

MAN I wish I could say that I am not-so-interested in Legend's livestreams... cuz I miss them A LOT. :(

@@narzgel1007 Ikr? I miss having the stream on the background while doing some paperwork. 🥲

@@redpanda3339 exactly!

same here

Yeah, I like this a whole lot better. I like the campaigns, but. The constant ' thank you for your superchat' interruptions make it so incredibly unfocused that I can't watch them.

What they should do is build a system like Unnatural Selection into the game for players to customize their threats. Add some preset configs for people who don't know specifically what they want.

If I remember correctly, didn't they change this, so playing as Karl Franz wasn't the most painful thing in your life? Also they should've kept it because that's what Vampire Counts do.

Good times

I hate dwarves because of this.

The ordertide was a nightmare if you let it happen.

@@Person01234 after learning about the end times, it was very cathartic

The dwarfs do that in my recent campains. Last time, i played as skarbrand and just walked over to cathey and conquerd it. Now the dwars send like 10 armys to me but only if i get near them.

I hated the Dawitide. Whenever i consolidated as Empire and went south to help my bearded brothers, everything south of the Border Princes was already blue and they were sitting at strength level 1 comfortably around turn 60. It made for a very boring late game when you played order factions.

The reason they'll have about 10-20% hp is the self revive mechanic all Vampire troops have. As for the blowing up part, that only happens at 20% hp and below. So if your campaign is still early and your bloated ones come back, they'll always be in their self destruction threshold for a turn or two.

Awesome Friday cheese. Pungent and creamy hahaha.

Just kill everything besides Vlad and Isabella, so they crumble?

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I’ve done that before, but by the time I kill their army, my army is too weak to make them crumble and then those two just kill whatever I have left by themselves.

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 done that before once. Turns out with their army entirely destroyed the duo still stand tall and kill everyone anyway. Now I make sure to have some fire damage when fighting them be it Bretonnian archers, knights of the blazing sun, or a fire caster and buffing my units with the sword of Rhuin

Back in the closet no jutsu required

This is why you retreat all your imperial and bretonnian armies until the WE armies meet your new cavalry doomstacks. Alternatively, you install a playable minor factions mod and play as Scourge of Aquitaine just to f* with all elf factions. Exaggerated ofc but you get the idea.

@@acealinka489 you can play as a rogue army?

I make sure to always auto resolce against them. A Phyrric victory is so much better in AR compared to manual where it will be a close defeat.

@@redcrown5154 Everything is possible with mods. In WH II, that one mod even had victory conditions and a tech tree for them.

@@acealinka489 nice, but which mod is it?

Agree, pretty interesting, especially for their unique troops.

Tomb Kings are an easy A tier Pros: Basically guaranteed and zero maintenance Good monsters for most armies Cons: Pretty bad as actual military allies You will probably have to give them a settlement or two to get good units, they're passive af usually

All F tier

Yes! That would be real interesting.

In tearms of units: (edit added mostly DE, changes for VCounts and Beastmen) - Empire - Hellstorm Rockets, Outriders and heavy cav - Kislev - War Bear Riders, Streltsi - Bretonnia - cavarly, a lot of cavarly and flying cavarly - Cathay - worse Empire units, because Ying and Yang mechanic won't stack with your main faction troops. Maybe Teracota Sentinel? - Dwarfs - Longbeards, Ironbreakers and Troll Torpedoes, Slayers if you have high unit replenish - High Elves - Sisters of Avelorn for low-ap armies, their units are mostly too expensive to be useful - Wood Elves - Waywatchers, Sisters of the Thorn, Treemen Dark Elves - Shades, Sisters of Slaughter, Black Guard of Naggarond, Hydra and Doomfire Warlocks - Ogres - Stonehorns, Leadbelchers, Scrap Launchers and Ironblasters - Greenskins - Black Orcs, Trolls, Rogue Idols, Doom Diver Catapults - Lizardmen - monsters, most of them - Tomb Kings - mostly constructs, maybe Tomb Guard - Vampire Counts - Mortis Engine, maybe Zombie for the Empire (but keep in mind that their undead aren't that great without Vampire/Nehekara magic) - Vampire Coast - Depth Guard, Deck Gunners, artillery and Necrofex Colossus - Norsca - Mammoths and Skinwolves - Skaven - Weapon Teams and Plagueclaw Catapults - Warriors of Chaos - useless, because you won't have Warband mechanic in other races - Beastmen - high-tier units from herdstone, they are all free to unkeep - Daemons of Chaos - mostly Greater Daemons and Soul Grinders - Khorne - Bloodletters, Bloodthirsters if you are lucky - Nurgle - not sure if you give you anything at all, didn't check - Tzeentch - their units work quite well in their own faction, but I don't find them useful in the rest armies. Maybe Pink Horrors for WoC - Slaanesh - Seekers of all kinds

Yeah dude can literally teleport across the mountain and attack you in an ambush

Yeah, he can snowball like no faction i have ever seen. I got to him once around turn 120 and he had whole donut vassalized, Morathi and Malekith as well and they conquered half of Lustria by that time.

Rogue army tier list when

S class: College of Pyrotechnics.

I've had a few rogue armies completely derail my campaigns when they strike early enough. Yuck. Hate that. But when they hit me later in the campaign, it's just a nuisance. It never does enough damage to my income to cause problems, but I *do* have to build an army or two near them to put out the fire eventually, although in my current campaign I've left two rogue armies wandering around deep in my territory for about 20 turns, now. They seem to like sacking something once, raiding a few turns, and then sacking something else. So I just repair and rebuild, and... *shrug*. It is what it is. They'll die when my next army passes through.

@@NileRoan I had that happen to me when I was playing Thorek Ironbrow somewhen in the mid game. And fkin hell, loosing few levels in dwarfs cities hurts a lot. Not to mention that it completely derailed my income as I was pushing it when fighting Clan Mors (quick war to avoid them getting too strong). They spawned 2 armies, raided Khorne and went berserk in my province. Pain.

@@Vonadu "I'm sure I can rush them and win" College: SHATTER THEIR SKY

Good thing he tought about us, noobs. 🤣

Yeah WoC kinda KILLED any chance of the empire lasting longer than 20-30 turns. I've never not seen Festus and Vilitch just eat whoever they spawn next to

@@grandmagunsales2125 In my games festus has just been a turtle, 130+ turns in as belakor and he only took 2 other settlements.

@@wizardofcroz dang usually in my campaigns I see half of the empire has been taken by festus by turn 30.

@@spartacus6256 To my experience that really depends on how the Vampires, Empire and Festus interact. I have seen Festus picking a fight with the Vampires several times and for whatever reason the Empire and the VCs tend to focus on killing Festus instead of fighting each other if that happens.

I've had the same experience. Which is suprising since he is surrounded by hostile factions, especially the 3956929472 lizards sprouting 4 full armies every turn early game... Very obnoxious to play as and against.

..Morathi eats the Donut most of the time... no change from WH2 in that respect I guess then. 😂

I fairly recently started a campaign as Tor Yvress, and N'kari was wiping the floor with Tyrion and Alariel. Only after I went in to help out did they start actually handling themselves because they were also fighting Not Davy Jones.

surprised it was morathi and not hellebron

Agreed, with Lizards (especially Itza, Hexoatl and Ghosts of Pauhax) they have always been something of an all or nothing, where if they can take out a few key factions early on they will steamroll their corner of the map, but if they can't deal with those threats early they will get annihilated. I've also noticed that Clan Skryre almost never expands much, but if they survive the first 20-30 turns they will make Skavenblight almost unassailable.

@@The_Industry Aye, Lustria felt pretty balanced to me in Immortal Empires. I dont play on legendary though. Lizards also often get to war with the two humans, thus cement their demise. I've seen Skrolk and Rakarth get out winning of Lustriabowl just as much as Lizards. Skavenblight is a good spot to defend, with the nearby 2-3 capitals included. In Wh2, overwhelming force killed Ikit mid/lategame, but now pretty much no faction can scrounge up 3-4 armies just to take him out. Especially since those threats come from the Old World via land, but Skavenblight would be easier to attack from the sea. I have seen Brets and WE come close, but only seen Skavenblight fall once I believe in Wh3.

boris wiped archaeon and kholek in my sigvald campaign before I came in and started whacking, so there's that.

Whenever I play Imrik grimgore is like a monster in a horror movie. I know he's out there, I know he's getting stronger and I know he's coming for me. Its not an if, it's a when. The only question is if I'll be ready to deal with his 4 stacks with attached armies.

For real, I almost never see them with Chosen or daemons.

Yeah Grimgor can WAAGH through the ogres and mess up your trade routes pretty easily.

That's happening to me in my belakor campaign! The end times are indeed here

Yeah. Really the only risk is if they have a few of their big monsters, like Tomb Scorpions or maybe a Necrosphynx. Even then, Tomb Kings as a whole, as an AI, are kinda super weak to player shenanigans. The main problem with fighting Tomb Kings, though, is that they're usually pretty reliable allies later in a campaign for trade deals or getting their good units in your armies

He that much hair in other places?!

They are so obnoxious that i wish i could play as Skarbrand in Kairos position and beat them over and over simply for the pleasure.😈