Warhammer 40,000 vs Star Wars/Star Trek Who Would Win? The Horror Of The Imperium 

"Do the deaths of you soldiers mean so little to you? are you that mad!?" "Do the deaths of yours mean so much to you alien? are you that weak?" - Davian Thule to tau commander

”3 million dead. A clean victory!”

Star trek: 8 million dead. Call it a massacre. 40k: 8 billion dead. Call it a Thursday.

lightsabers - an elegant weapon from a civilised time. chainswords - a sword wound is not messy enough.

The mentality question: Star Wars: evasive maneuvers/block their hyperspace jump. Star Trek: raise shields. Warhammer: RAMMING SPEED! Deploy boarding torpedoes!

The federation: "we lost 50 ships!" The empire: "we lost 500k stormtroopers!" The imperium: "those are rookie numbers."

And that's for the "good guys". Wait till the Empire/Federation meet the Chaos Space Marines or the Tyranids.

Stormtrooper: ‘They got Alex!!!’ Imperial Guardsmen: ‘Well Alex is dead.’

On the Space Marine thing....not only are your mates dying hideous, horrific deaths - but your foe just isn’t. And they’re not even trying to hide, or take cover. If you’re hunkered down in a building, a squad will just Robocop through the walls. They’re weapons of terror. They’re designed to lack all subtlety. They’re designed to play merry Hell with enemy morale. There’s a brilliant bit in the Nightbringer novel. Single Space Marine (albeit a commander) is in a hover carriage. They happen to simply travel past a protest that’s getting a bit nasty. One look at the Marine, and the plebs just knock it off. He doesn’t stop. Doesn’t slow down. Just goes past them in a non-military vehicle. That is the impact they have on actually loyal, just angry, citizens.

The Empire has been known to shoot cowards. But no way in the same way the commissars do for the guard. If an empire solider runs from battle, he may get unlucky and run into a nasty officer who will shoot him, but he could just as easily run to the back line where he is court marshaled and shot the next day, and there is not always a guarantee of death, he could be lashed or beaten instead. When a Guardsmen runs he is instantly shot in the face with a bolt pistol by a angry man with a sword. Hell some Commissars will shoot a Guardsman who looks like he is about to run, just to remind everyone else not to.

People seem to forget that space marines are not slow or bulky too. They move at incredible speed, with insane precision and intelligence. There is a discussion in the horus heresy about "post-human dread" which is the terror of a being moving and fighting with a speed that is disproportionate to his size.

The Siege of Vraks about sums it up about the mind set of the Imperium.

8:35 except when it's men of Krieg, then the commissars have to stop the guardsmen from being too suicidal :3

If I remember correctly a space marine charging a normal person induces “post-human dread”, as the fact that an 8 foot tall “human”, in what would be considered tank armor to most people, charging at you personally, it is enough to make even the most grizzled veteran second guess his position on the battlefield.

Fighting the Imperium is like being a demon in DOOM when the Doom Slayer enters the room, ripping and tearing everything I'm front of him.

Imagine some Chaos cultists summoning Angron on Coruscant

Everyone focuses on the Imperium when it comes to "Series vs 40k" fights. Nobody seems to consider, say, what if it was instead the Necrons, or Chaos Daemons, or the Tyranids. ESPECIALLY the 'Nids! Star Wars would be utterly doomed if the Tyranids arrived, as A) there are so many verdant worlds that are virtually undefended and easy to convert into biomass (Dagobah, anyone?), and B) the entire galaxy is so cosmopolitan with varied alien species that genestealers could walk around openly with barely anyone batting an eye.

The Imperium would probably be seen as the bad guys in most other universes

The Federation would be one of the strands of Humanity encountered during the Great Crusade that would be brought to compliance (one way or another) in such a quick manner that it would barely be a footnote in the logs of the Expeditionary Fleet.

I laughed so much at this so true. Finn turned traitor in star wars seeing a few people rounded up and shot and got a bit of blood on his helmet. the imperium is horrific in every way. great rant

"40k is silly because the scale is ridiculous!" That's basically what everyone on earth thought about WW1 then it happened and the planet shat itself at the length of the war, the endless mountains of casualties, the famines, the diseases, the endless trainloads of ammunition and clothing needed to keep their guys alive and fighting. The scale was ridiculous. 40k makes perfect sense to me because it's so far in the future. And if you're referring to the magic and daemons and stuff, well Star Trek and Star Wars both have ridiculous space ghosts in their settings so w.e

I don't know how true this is (it's supposed to be) but I read a story once about a Chinese general who loudly announced to his enemy that his soldiers have no fear of death, as he announced this a regiment of his own soldiers marched towards the enemy & slice their own throats on his command, then a second did the same & a third. Apparently they were actually P.O.W's who'd been given the choice to either kill themselves on the battlefield or be tortured. The opposing army panicked & fled the battle without any fighting ever actually taking place.

I believe the Imperium has described the term regarding the mental stress of "normal" troops having to fight against a Space Marine/Chaos Space Marine quite well. I give the following example of "transhuman dread": [Book Excerpt] Aximand describes "transhuman dread". - "Transhuman dread. Aximand had heard iterators talk of the condition. He’d heard descriptions of it from regular Army officers too. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn’t annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear."But to see one move. Apparently that was the real thing. Nothing human-shaped should be so fast, so lithe, so powerful, especially not anything in excess of two metres tall and carrying more armour than four normal men could lift. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing, but the moving fact of one was quite another. The psychologists called it transhuman dread. It froze a man, stuck him to the ground, caused his mind to lock up, made him lose control of bladder and bowel. Something huge and warlike gave pause: something huge and warlike and moving with the speed of a striking snake, that was when you knew that gods moved amongst men, and that there existed a scale of strength and speed beyond anything mortal, and that you were about to die and, if you were really lucky, there might be just enough time to piss yourself first."

Star trek " send in the Borg we have no other options" Adeptus mechanicus " ROFL hold my beer"

I love the idea of this bright-eyed federation soldier, fighting for what he thinks is right, friends in arms, only to come for a Flesh-Tearers Riever squad to come out of no-where, tear his friend and comrades into strips of flesh, blood everywhere, and as he lays there, crying in his own faeces and tears, they just leave him

Love the presentation, completely agree with the content. Psychology rules in warfare.

It has the potential to be a blockbuster at the movies but everyone is too chicken to do it.

Half a million troops dead in a battle- Star Wars: "we cannot afford these losses, Lord Vader". Halo: "Chief, we need you!". Star Trek: "Set phasers to kill!" Imperium of Man: "Oh well that was an old batch anyway."

Another example of the psychological aspect of the Imperium: The Death Korps of Krieg. Imagine if the Empire or the Federation had to deal with those guys...

Empire loses 100 thousand troops: "This is a great disaster" The guard lose 3 million troops: "Seventh wave fix bayonets! We'll give them the Emperor's steel!"

I love these discussions! The big difference between the Imperium vs most other factions from other franchises is a matter of scale. It's not unreasonable to imagine an empire that spans the galaxy and utilizes over a million worlds, their local resources and population. Raw numbers of the Imperium will outstrip by an insane margin any numbers put forward by any faction from Star Trek, Star Wars, Halo, etc. In the BattleFleet Gothic rulebook it talks about how a FERAL world was able to slowly build a Lunar class attack cruiser as a tithe to the Navy. That is a 3km long warship... and a virtually tech-less world was just sourced for the materials and the Imperial forces in orbit built the thing. If the lowest tech level worlds of the Imperium can crank that out, and there's over a million of planets in total.... Almost everything is a footnote by comparison. The Federation: ~ 150 worlds Halo Covenant: ~ "Hundreds of worlds" per Halo Alpha Halo Humans: ~ over 800 colonized worlds, moons, asteroids and outposts The Galactic Empire in all fairness at it's height was listed as having 1.5 million worlds under its banner. With that in mind, they did use their military to maintain order with the majority of those worlds being non-core worlds and tacitly under the banner of the Empire. Once again though, as Kirioth has pointed out before, the scale of 40k is still insane. Largest standard warship in the GE: Imperial Star Destroyer. 1.6km length. Fighter compliment of around 72 TIE line fighters including 12x Bombers, 12x Interceptors, and the remainder being Fighters Largest and most common standard warship in the IoM: Lunar class cruiser. ~3km in length. No fighters, but packs 6x torpedo tubes that launch missiles the size of buildings. Macro batteries and Lances in the broadsides. Multiple overlapping point defense weapons. Add to that all the points in this video. The Imperium is 100% geared towards a war led by zealotry and founded on the utter devaluing of human life beyond the function they can serve in the war effort. The Imperium doesn't fall to paltry rebellions, it just burns whole worlds without a huge resource sink like the Death Star as a giant target.

A guardsmen although represented in the 40k as weak is only due to them fighting impossibly lethal enemies like tau, chaos space marines, tyranids, necrons and orks but still win against the odds so to fight a less than lethal force like the Empire or federation they should excel

Enemies in 40K also make Imperium what it is. You should talk about that too. How would Star Trek & Star Wars would survive against them. Brutal Orks how would they fight against them, enemy that looks for fight and need it. Corrupting Chaos, warp rift opens and people in planet goes insane and start killing each others. Not mentionings demons. Tyranids Hive Fleet what consume entire planets. And Rising Necrons, with weapons that can rip you apart atom by atom. Those are enemies that Imperium fight against.

Imperial Guard have held the line against millions of demons and tyranids time and time again. Storm troopers surrender to ewoks. Troops in 40k are an order of magnitude more resolved than troops in Star Wars and Start Trek.

Not gonna lie, read it as "honour of the imperium". Seems fitting

One of my favorite little vignettes from 40k was from the Last Chancers series. It involved an Fleet Admiral talking to an Imperial Guard General. The Admiral was reporting how wasteful loosing millions of guardsmen was to take a mountain that was hollowed out into a fortress, and he offered to use his fleet to level the mountain from orbit, but the General wouldn't do it because as long has the fortress stood, his regiment couldn't be deployed off world, even though it was currently held by rebels, because of the regiments privileged position as a ceremonial guard to the planet. Then the Admiral shrugged and said, "Well, that is your stupidity, and not my responsibility." , and just let the futile killing go on. 40k in a nutshell.

I absolutely adore vs matchups, but unfortunately they just usually go "well my side has ____ton starship weapons, checkmate!" "Well my side has _____ertons! And some poor wording+extrapolation means my star destroyers are BEYOND OMNIPOTENT111!1"(I'm not joking google "beyond omnipotent star destroyers some time). But yeah you are on point here, 40k is very different from most universes thematically and that would grate on them as a campaign wore on. I'm not sure if you have looked into other franchises after being in 40k, but what usually strikes me is how....clean, for a lack of the better word, the warfare is. Theres mud sometimes, yeah, and some injuries or maybe a bioweapon, but most of the time its "pew pew" and they fall over. There are high ideals, a story with a happy ending, and rather clear heroes and villains. Sometimes they try to make it grey but really that just makes things dumb or makes nuanced villains they call "ambiguous morally". At the end of the day most, if not all the heroes go home and they do eventually win. Its not like that in 40k, you aren't a hero, your one of quintilions even if you are a big name like The Stormlord or The Despoiler or Creed and so to win a battle you don't seek out a villain and have a climactic showdown that leaves the world cheering and the enemy surrendered/convinced with no one of import dying. You don't walk in and out of the war, with a life and friends and downtime and moments of respite. You don't get that clean battle. Instead you bleed in the organ splattered mud, because your friends are dead. You commit high tempo operations, not sleeping more than 3 hours and always on the move because either you don't have orbital superiority and will be pounded flat by ships if you don't keep moving or when you do rest the enemy knows somehow, they always do, and your comrades are butchered in their sleep. So you sit awake in the rain at a fresh 1 o clock in the morning, trying to figure out if that is a bush waving in the wind or a callidus/lictor/sorcerer/necron/stealthsuit/etc fucking with you. And then the call to moveout comes at 4 am with a fresh batch of corpsestarch that maybe you knew the name of, and you keep you head low in you transport as artillery flattens whatever the ships haven't. Then you get your climactic battle. Maybe in a city, running low on rations, holding out for months in the hopes that command will send someone to save you. They never do, and you fight with you broken bones and empty ammo casings on a belly of wallpaper and boiled wood in the home of some poor civy who starved 6 weeks ago because you and your comrades might be willing to die for the emperor, but not starve for the civies and thus their shares of the food were "appropriated". Or maybe you fight in the dark, dank places beneath the soil, hearing one squad go dark after another, not knowing, not wanting to know what hunts you. Or maybe you get that full IMAX 3D movie experience and fight in a pitched battle in no mans land, with your comrades dieing in their millions wherever you look and the commissar is dead because he tried to be a hero and rally the troops and got a snipers bullet for his troubles. So you fight in the mud, and the dirt, and the corpses of your comrades and maybe, just maybe, you live. So with your broken body and shattered mind you slink back to the ship you were deployed from and sit in one of many empty bunks and get to think about all you saw, and did, and those that didn't get back as the ship lurches off to take you to your next fight that you might, might, just survive. And that is what it means to be in 40k. You don't get your happy ending, just and unending slog until you die. You don't hunt criminals and monsters, you ARE the criminal and a monster, though it may take a while for you to understand this. No matter how high you are, the galaxy does its best to drag you down and from the mightiest necron to the lowest cultist you all fight and die in the same mud so that you dream can persist just a little longer. Maybe you were even lucky enough to be born into the big boy trio and have a shot at actually winning it, but you'll either die long before its achieved or you'll be a necron and perhaps wish you did. Either way, you are in for the constant stream of loss, warcrimes, and mud slogs no matter your rank or race, with no home to go back to, either because you are in the guard for life, because its a cloud of expanding debris, or because it too is filled with war. The 40k galaxy itself is the horror show, to all factions (except orks of course), and it would BREAK anyone who faced it. Because at the end of the day even storm troopers plan to go home. They have lives. They have families. They have hopes and dreams. They can think of something better and maybe even retire. No one in 40k can do that. Lets just look at the guardsman. They are told they are worth nothing, believe dieing for the emperor is their lot in life, and are shot for things as minor as uniform violations. They don't fight in the clean walkways of star destroyers or the metropolis of courascant, they fight in broken cities on piles of the corpses of children who lived their against enemies who want their bodies, minds, and souls. The grim, unending nature of 40k, its intrensic cruelty, would break most factions. The stormtroopers and rebels would pale at the sheer disreguard shown for the lives of combatants and at how easily they are spent. The UNSC and covanent would be horrified by the sheer, intrinsic malice ingrained into every aspect of the universe, even humans who say so gleefully: "Hate! Hate! Hate! An emotion as pure as it is deep! Hate! Hate! Hate! Let it flow, let it run free!" (inspiring prayer that). And the Federation could be present to weep over the injustice, the oppression, and the corpses of the million billion children fed into cadian whiteshield regiments to keep the arch enemy at bay. Because 40k is an eternal nightmare they would find, and there is no waking up.

Star Wars Fans: we have a Death Star 40k Fan: we have a glass ball HH readers know what I’m talking about

The mentality of the Imperium is something else. In the First Ork war of Armageddon, the civilians of the hives were given numbers then those who numbers were called got to have a seat on one of the very few transports leaving system. Those who were not lucky enough to get a seat had their numbers turned into their Imperial Guard Conscript number and were inducted into the Hive defence forces. Be they man woman or child. Everyone pulled their weight. There was also a tactic where they put explosives in hive hab blocks then defended them. Once the green skins butchered them all a single person at the top locked in a fortified room would be sitting with a shrine to the Emperor and the detonator to blow the whole damned block apart killing all the green skins inside. And this became doctrine.

In any other universe, the Emperor of Mankind would be seen as a full-blown, world-ending super villain. But in the 41st Millenium, he is exactly what was needed most.

An ATAT would be a pet dog to an emperor class titan.

The horror of the Imperium can be summed by the great Gabriel Angelos: "I fear no evil, for I am fear incarnate!"

in 40k the good guys seem much more terrifying and evil than the evil empire in star wars

I now have the image in my head of a Klingon running up to an Ultramarine, and wacking him with his bat'leth several times until it breaks, and the Ultramarine nonchalantly turning said Klingon into liquid with his Power Fist.

There’s a quote from Han Solo in A New Hope, immediately after they get to Alderaan, or at least where Alderaan used to be. It goes something like “There’s no way they could have destroyed it, it would have taken the firepower from every star destroyer in the entire navy.” Contrast that with how often the inquisition conducts exterminatus.

Losing 50 ships and all its crew is only a problem if mankind is not as numerous as it is in 40K. If a species ranges in the hundreds of trillions, individual lives are not going to be that special or valuable. It's the reason why we care about pandas and tigers but not ants.

I would like to see a comparison of how the Federation or Empire would fare against Chaos or Orks. Now THAT, would be a good discussion 😂 or how psykers would compare between them (jedi/sith in case of SW). Give us a video on that Kirioth 😉

As op as Astartes are compared to Star Wars and star trek Astertes can and do get one shotted on their own universe , WH40k is a utterly huge mess of opness and shenanigans

"Cadia broke before the guard did."

Also at the fall of Cadia it’s said that like 10% of the Astra Militarum was lost , those are casualties that are ESAY on the Trillions maybe a quadrillion in casualties , and it was labeled as a glorious victory at the end of the 13th Black crusade So there is that yes ...

when the situation is so bad that the commissioner starts shooting at the enemies

It's basically like comparing a full scale NATO mobilisation to a paintball league

There's a line in the Imperial Guard codex that says more or less with regards to friendly fire from artillery: "while the loss of life is regrettable, the misspent ammunition is inexcusable" The Imperium's cheapest commodity in war are the lives of their soldiers. They will gladly sacrifice millions for essentially worthless ground, so long as it's ground taken from the enemy... and they'll lose the same number tenfold before relinquishing said ground. It's attrition pure and simple. With a million worlds or more each giving up a tithe of soldiers each year there is no end to the onslaught. Once the Imperium is goaded into war somewhere it's a never ending, perpetually escalating war until victory is bought through application of brute force, and that's without any mention to special regiments, marines or titans. Numbers. They have more.

Look at the seige of Vraks for a great example. 10 years was the initial estimate for the seige. The Galactic empire only lasted for about 20 years.

I mean 5 terminators with lightning claws or thunder hammers and shields teleporting like an inch infront of you shruging of canonballs and everything els you might have and then walk/charge you most be the stuff of nightmare for most other universes. In 40k we call it monday. And think of the horror of faceing night lords. They are even worse then ”normal” marines!

Not to mention that boarding a ship in 40k is absolutely bonkers. You thought those chainsaw wielding motherfuckers were scary on an open battlefield? Try fighting them in the narrow hallways of your standard sci-fi ship.

I dont have to watch this vid to know warhammer would win hands down. Comparing these three is like comparing Disneyland and Disney World to World War 2.

Just Imagine the Flesh tearer's Chapter on Coruscant... Empire got no chance

I remember reading somewhere that the whole thing about armies and unit's claiming worlds through right of conquest was created by the adminstratum to explain how they just forget/loose entire armies. Leaving them permanently stranded on random world, I have a hard time seeing any other Scifi universe just loosing a four million man army or hell even an army that's only a few hundred thousand strong because of a clerical error.... Alright colonel the adminstratum said there's not enough ships left to transport you all. Just stay here, more ships will come and take you to the next world. 1000 years later........

In a ground war nothing touches the Imperium.

I wanna see a movie of Night Lords fighting Empire or any SW faction really

In the Star Trek TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", an alternate timeline was created when the Enterprise-C was pulled into the future, rather than suffer its destruction saving a Klingon outpost. In this new timeline, the Federation had been at war 20 years and was nearing defeat and was planning to surrender to the Klingon Empire within 6 months. StarWars seemed like it might be capable of putting up a stiffer fight with thousands of planets in the Republic/Empire, but their fractured Senate and demands for democracy and representation would undermine any military effort. Also, the Rebellion lasted for just 22 years until Vader killed the Emperor and the second Death Star was destroyed. Meanwhile, the Imperium of Man is held together by a religious zeal forced on the common Imperial citizen and soldiers. Commissars, you gotta love them, or they'll shoot you on charges of cowardice. Even the Space Marines (who do not to worship the Emperor as a God) still venerate him as the Immortal-Emperor of Mankind. If you ever get a chance, read World War Z. In Chapter 2: Blame, General Travis D'Ambrosia explains that under totalitarian governments, popular support is mandated and wars can be maintained without any risk of political repercussions. In democracies, the opposite is true and war efforts rely on popular support from the people. "Public support must be husbanded as a finite national resource." The Federation, the Galactic Empire and Republic all relied on popular support. The Imperium of Man couldn't care less if the people want to support them. Their support is mandated by Imperial Law and enforced whether or not they're happy.

I would say this is why sooooo many of the armies in 40K are as crazy as they are. The war hungry Orks, mindless robots Necron, mindless Killing machines Tyranids, total Psychos Chaos, sadistic monsters Dark Eldar. TAU AND craft World Eldar are the 2 real stand outs they are just trying to andvance themselves/ survive.

You're forgetting it's a GRIMDARK universe on a scale that literally dwarfs every other sci fi universe, filled with so many factions that are simply bigger, faster, scarier, and MORE OP than even a Space Marine. 1,000,000 dead troops may sound like a lot in star wars but in 40k that's merely a drop in an ocean.

God, I love 40k.

As a certain meme poster goes, star trek is the ideal world we want as a kid, 40k is the world we know is most likely to actually come true based on our history.

Reading the accounts of the Siege of Vraks really shows how little the imperium cares about lives lost. Exactly what you describe. 5 million troops? Eh, that was what we estimated we'd loose at this point.

"If you will not serve in combat, you will serve in the firing line! " Every IG Commissar ever.

ERE WE GO ERE WE GO ERE WE GO WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

You were only slightly off target, the imperium would be upset about losing the ships they couldn’t be bothered about the personnel.

Stormtrooper commander: “Get the injured to the back, retreat!!” Any Commissar: “YOUR WOUNDS MEANS NOTHING, STAND!!!”

i agreem psychological warfare from the imperium of man doesnt really get talked about alot, especially since in the 40k universe there are MUCH WORSE Things than even the imperium that do stuff like that on another level, however, that doesnt meant that the imerium arent pros themselves, they just have a diffrent standard in 40k for that stuff that makes it seem less... "bad" when isolated

Imagine a Galaxy-Class being boarded by a squad OF Carcharodons

Even Thrawn would be shocked of how The Imperium fights with such ferocity and zealousness.

You're forgetting the Kryptmann method Kirioth! "If all else fails, redirect the enemy toward the nearest Ork 'empire and let *them* deal with the problem instead!" You want to talk about 'outright little regard for their own troops'? Orks are going around shooting *each* other during charges just to get into close combat first, laughing at their fellow boyz' shit luck, etc, etc. Star Trek's main weakpoint combat-wise (aside from the Klingons) is their melee combat. I mean, the most threatening faction is the Borg... but the Borg have absolute shit when it comes to melee. Their only asset is their 'Borg assimilation' trick... and (if my knowledge is correct) requires penetrating bare skin without getting their arms ripped off first. Aside from the Imperial Guard and the Tau, pretty much every other race in 40k is going to be ripping Borg drones limb from limb with their bare hands (or introducing them to the business end of a Choppa/Chainsword, bascially turning the Borg into metal mulch in a matter of minutes). I pity the Borg Cube that runs into a bunch of Orks... Or the Flesh Tearers... Or the Black Templars... Or the genestealers... Or the Necrons (when they can be bothered to -get their lazy asses off the porch rocking chair- leave their Tomb worlds).

On a hot and sun kissed planet, on the frontiers of civilized space, we came. Strange sightings have set ablaze the whole galaxy, paranoid nations finding burnt hulks of their patrols with occasional fields of large Gothic statues or architecture floating in the vastness of the void. We are the 322nd rear-guard deployed far away from the lush agri worlds many of us came from, the kiss of such heat being totally unknown to us simple farm boys. Rumors of a large green ship gave the federation cause to quietly raise troops to defend a host of planets closest and most valuable to the most recent set of sightings. Everyone had a different idea of whats been skulking around, first rumors of Klingons arise from their infamy, due to a sudden quiet as of late upon the nature of these sightings. Rumors consistently coming from traders or others passing through of planets set ablaze, or of stations being brutalized if it didn't end up a graveyard with not a soul aboard. The galaxy was mystified and terrified at the displays of carnage, The Borg where considered as a potential threat, yet when did Borg create Art? When did the collective ever act with such brutality and when have they ever had such resources for such a massive scale? Upon the wind picking up I started to smell a something burned and sickly-sweet from the east where the horizon met the sun, I thought myself mad but others started to notice similarly. There was a sound of rolling thunder, and the smell of charred flesh upon the wind. Far to the horizon we beheld an ocean that formed and began pooling towards us. Colors of sickly green, blood red, proud gold and bone white. Such colors indicated not water, but life. Such sounds where thought of as vehicles mere engines. We where being attacked! With orders going out quickly, men prepared mounted weapons and sandbags, quickly counting rounds and grenades, when our collective vision gazed upon our quarry someone spoke up. "Those... Those are Men!" "Wh-WHAT?" an officer quickly swiped the rangefinder from a gawking soldier and inspected the ever-growing tide. And so his eyes did behold visions of men marching, not driving, narry a vehicle could be seen within the ranks of men, least near the start of the march, and that noise as it drew closer it sounded less and less like thunderous engines or the roar of a great machines of War. Nay that was the men marching in step. Voices could be made out when the waves of men got close enough for all to behold their foe, orders where being give, soldiers threatened with being burned alive if they look like they where going to run. And on this day I beheld The God Emperors Finest.

When the God-Emperor is our Eternal Lord and Imperial Father Who has your soul in His sacred charge, is it so surprising that tens of millions would gladly lay down their lives? All those who fight under His banner only seek to safeguard and expand His Imperium. We all understand that a single human life is as naught compared to the Great Work of our Lord Father. The Emperor's Light is in our eyes. The Emperor's Truth is on our lips. The Emperor's Fury rages within our hearts. Our Sovereign and Eternal Lord Emperor Protects!

Well....even the Battle Droids of Star Wars have morale that can be compromised (for some reason.)

when the Empire intrudes into the 40k verse. i could see them barely surviving an engagement with the Imperium, so the next order of business for the GE is to make an ally or subjugate one. i see them doing this with that tau. I could imagine Palpatine would make a pact with the tau and then screw them over and take over their economical and technological standing in the 40k verse, which isnt much tbh but it's more or less a good start. :)

Btw Kirioth you make it sound like the Flesh Tearers are doing something wrong lol

despite better technology the star trek federation would probably go PTSD by simply winning again the Imperial guards. it was a big deal for them against the Jem hadddar and boy are they far softer than the imperium...

I can just see an Astartes literally ripping a Klingon in half

In the Imperium, litterally drowning a planet in the blood of your soldiers is a legitimate strategy.

A commissar will execute a guardsman if they lose their lasgun, since the lasgun cant be replaced but the guardsman can.

It's a shame that rules wise Commissars got demolished by the nerf bat

40K: "If brute force isn't working, you're not using enough of it."

Please talk about this stuff more! It’s morbidly Fascinating to listen to

Hey, what about that legion of space marines that were literally terror weapons? I hear they always came in midnight clade...

I mean the simple fact is this: Star Trek is first and foremost about an exploratory crew on an adventure, not war. Star Wars, despite the name, is first and foremost about the adventures of a core group and they save the day, not a war. Halo, though about a war generally, is more about one man’s incredible role in that war and basically soloing. All these require that there is ONE group or person so amazing that they can solve nearly all the problems in their galaxy. Warhammer IS war. On every level there is no one man, army, ship, crew, or even race that can save the day or even be the singular spearhead. Warhammer’s battle front is in constant flux, a constant arms race, to gain a small advantage they never really holds. Even looking at gods there’s no ONE that can really be called an end all beat all character. No ONE can win it all. Someone may be central to a single front but they’d never be enough to win a whole war. TLDR the guard codex sums it up best when they say ‘the imperium gains and loses hundreds of worlds a day’. No ONE front or campaign makes a huge difference while in all these other scifi realms ONE battlefield on ONE world can end a galactic war. The guard lost Cadia and they’re Still a pain in the ass.

Let's be honest, the only matchup we really wanna see is Johnny Rico becoming a space marine and killing bugs.

Just gonna leave this idea here. Virus bombing the Death Star

Id send the angels of death into the Startrek universe as they just could not deal with the horror of that type of war. I'd drown the star wars universe in guardsmen and ADmech. They empire seems at best a ineffective governance that 'somehow' is in charge. The imperium would grind it down and then start on the xenos.

It's not just the battles that are extreme. The whole galaxy is filled with body-horror concepts - even how you make a space marine is brutal and cruel, the Dark Eldar are utterly gruesome and don't think of looking up the daemonculabae if you're squeamish. 40k always wins because it's prepared to go further.

This reminds me of a debate I had with a mate who was taking the position that a Thousand Son Exulted sorcerer could just enter a Imperial Star Destroyer and mindmurderfuck all the crew to death in seconds. But just thing of being a storm trooper walking round the ship and just seeing your friend being elevated in the air screaming having limbs growing out of every part of his body, his spine becoming his new 18th limb and just turning into a sack of flesh that then just rips your other mate in half effortlessly.

To when it comes to ground combat, none of the star trek forces dedicate too many people to infantry and have very little armour. Every ounce is accounted for on their ships. A few thousand ground troops is devastating to them. One imperial regiment on the ground would wipe out all on comers. Imagine an Imperitor Titan. The Federation would ONLY be able to engage it from orbit. Can you imagine their reaction to one just being deployed? Gob-smacked faces, people going ghost-white and sweating buckets with fear.

So basically the Imperium of man is WW2 Russia

The Death Korps of Krieg never runs! But it tends to outzeal its commisars 😃 Also would want to see the face of a Star Trek Captain when he sees the body of one of his men explode right in front of him by Bolterfire

People always underestimate the technology of 40 k void shields really sums up the techno babble the 40 k universe has available

Great video. The sheer insanity of the way the imperial guard operate would be demoralizing to any foe in these verses. Excluding the Mandalorians/Jedi/Borg/Klingons

In other sci-fi, good human fights evil humans and alien civilisation. In 40k, evil human fights daemons, beasts, lunatic humans and sadistic aliens. In other fictions, your enemy kills for power, for money, for territory and for honour. In 40k, your enemy kills for fun and joy. Massacre is sport