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I cannot even begin to fathom having to cheat at any form of mini wargaming. It honestly makes me feel bad for the player that was cheating. If you have to cheat in this hobby to find some sort of validation in yourself, I cannot imagine the rest of their life is going to plan.
Some people die inside if they loose, had a friend like this once, he is not anymore partly because of it, he started to sabotage the games as soon he recognized he is loosing, even if it meant to destroy the fun for the rest still playing. Sore egotistical looser he is
@@nikiogle7087 Thanks for your sentiment, but to be honest, I was the one who got rid of him, so I am not that heartbroken. But you are right, people like that are awefull and I think he did not even recognise it himself
@@LordBelakor I have noticed that people like that rarely, if ever, notice that they are the issue. Must be weird going through life imagining that they are perfect and everyone around them sucks😅
I had thought about this before. I've seen "D3" dice where its just 1-2-3-1-2-3" for facing and I had no idea it was what it was at a glance just for that reason of perspective.
He said: "Nobody really plays it anymore"? We have more oldhammer/t9A players in Poland than AoS. A huge 6th edition tournament before summer holidays this year gathered more players than wh40k master class tournaments do. So, yeah, depends where you are.
So yeah it was me the one who noticed it first and commented in the video to make the organizers aware. Nothing to it really, I just got lucky and watched the video soon after it was uploaded to youtube. This was going to be caught by me or by any other person eventually, because the cheater was not very good at cheating. Not only the dice were suspicious, also the way he was always picking them up and putting his hands inside his pockets. The list used the boltthrower magic bow, and he used the dice to roll to hit and so on. I payed attention and...yeah, the guy was stupid enough to leave the trick dice on the table, ON FRONT OF THE CAMERA. I talked with a couple of my friends and showed them the time stamps, so they then also commented in the video, and one of those friends uploaded to reddit the whole situation. It is really sad to see such a cool event tainted by this pathetic attempt at cheating. I'm glad the guy got disqualified, and I'm glad for my part on that. But I feel so bad for all the people that spent a whole day eating and joking with the guy just to see SIX MONTHS AFTER THE TOURNAMENT that this person was taking them all for fools. AND BY THE WAY, THERE WAS NO PRIZE FOR THE FIRST PLACE. Prizes were raffled off between all participants.
Dice cheating could be solved with tournament hosts providing people with dice. You collect a $20 deposit and an ID then are issued your dice. You get it all back when you return your dice. In competitive poker players dont bring their own cards, Casinos dont let people use their own dice. Simple fix.
one the cost on the event people (remember they have to buy all those dice), two people have favorite dice and will cause problems if they cant use them, three many of these places sell dice there or near there so that would be a loss of sales or less vendors at these things. the simplest thing would be who ever is refing it just take 2 seconds to look at the dice. there usally is some sort of quality check at any tournament, just do a quick check before the match.
Typically this type of cheat die has only 4, 5, and 6 sides. That makes it impossible to tell without habdling the dice becauae only three sides are visible at once (on an opaque die). This idiot chose ones that had duplicates of the same number visible from any angle, and large, transparent casino style dice that make it even easier to see. How were they not caught earlier??
It looked like he was using cheap craps cheaters. The ones you're talking about are higher quality, but I've seen the exact set he's using in joke shops.
The worst thing about this is if you had cheat dice, why would you not just put two sixes on it, and replace the 1?!i feel like if they're on opposite side you're never gonna get caught
Because he was extremely lazy and just bought dice that are made for cheating at craps. That's why some are all 5s whole others are a mix of 2s and 6s. They always roll 7 or 11.
Watch closely on the stream at 27min. He very intentionally selects and isolates the 2 dice in question and then mixes and then isolates them again over the course of 5-10 minutes.
Its a shame there is no way humanly possible to make two players use the same dice pool. That guy is clearly knows he's cheating, he keeps the dice slightly away from the other dice but also nearest him ready to use. Its no mistake.
@@lewisbenzie845I could just give you rigged dice, that part doesn't help. But we share dice all the time, not sure why OP thinks nobody has ever used the same dice haha
A community ban list needs to be established or something. This kind of cheating should never happen and while this was a tourney for an old game it's no excuse for this shit to happen. And for those who would play devil's advocate it should be on the player to check their dice and not everyone else.
You want to really get mad, look at all the losers/invaders on govmit assistance of one form or another; they can even spend food stamps on lotto tickets, smokes and beer. I knew an man (one of the usual suspects) that worked with us, he lied and made practically our weekly wage again in assistance, then his "wife" lied and they doubled up on the stuff. So here he is making 3x what we all make per week; the poor weary downtroddened disadvantaged angel. And he had the gumption to tell us, and laugh about it. That's our money these clowns are taking.
@@whitemiasma5288 was this like 30 years ago? You can't even buy hot food with ebt/foodstamps now without having homeless status, and most restaurants don't even take them. Not that this kind of thing doesn't happen necessarily, but I know more people who are actually poor that cant get support than people who are indirectly trading benefits for cigarettes and beer.
I was commented this situation by one of the players which is a friend of mine. The guy pulled the tricked dices from his pocket right before the game started, and mixed them with the regular ones, always mixing them in the middle to hide. He didnt use the dice on every roll though. Nobody noticed while playing because it was just a friendly remember tournament playing an old game. Such a scumbag. His name has been given to all local stores so he is not allowed to play
more people in the U.S. are mad about this guy than that senator's (who has been caught raping children multiple times) wife that got drunk and rammed and killed a man, and has had zero punishments of any kind.@@dinosaurboy99
I really admire your efforts to remain reasonable and to offer possible explanations rather than immediately jumping to possibly erroneous conclusions. You always (that I have seen) try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Even when, like this case, it seems fairly obvious that he cheated. Of course, to be sure, someone (not me) should go through the person's on-camera rolls to see if he grabbed them at "appropriate" times.
@jbumgarn Oh, I'm suuuuure he did. I'm confident that he was at least practiced enough to never use them when it was a few dice that his opponent would be staring at. But an important roll with a small handful? Oh yes, definitely.
Well the fact that it's unsupported probably means nobody cares if you play with 3d printed or proxies. (Hopefully nobody is still stanning for GWs profits on a game they haven't made in decades)
I remember playing a game of high elves vs vampire counts in 6th edition. My elves got tabled, and my opponent finished with more models than he started with. A couple of fixed dice might have actually helped me kill a model...
I own these loaded dice as a Gag and I also have normal clear Red dice. I once accidentally let a player roll their stats for my DnD game I was running with them, and after getting a second 18 I realized my mistake lol
Im just caught on the fact that he cheated in this way. How stupid would you have to be? And how did noone see it?? This makes people who use weighted dice look smart
Tbh how would you catch weighted dice? I've rolled hot and cold before. If they are weighted badly, I guess you could tell. But if it was only weighted slightly. How would you ever know?
Also in the video you can see the cheater almost constantly fingering the rigged dice.... And he quite clearly has them set behind the main pool so he can't lose track of them, and when he selects dice he seems to pick specific ones and then grab the trio of dice he has set aside behind the main pile.
I ordered some 6 sided dice off of Amazon awhile back and didn’t notice that 2 of the dice basically had all the 3s be 4s. So 2 dice had 2 4s on them instead of a 3 & 4. I think I never noticed because the 3 and 4 are on the opposite sides. Luckily I wasn’t playing Warhammer at the time and was just playing Magic the Gathering and using the dice as +1/+1 counter markers. But yea after that I bought some gamegenic dice and checked every single one.
Cheat dice come in sets of 2. 1 all 5s, and 1 half 2s half 6s. The die showing all 6s had the 2s hidden. This is because they are dice for the game of craps. 5 plus 2=7 and 5 plus 6=11. So you can roll either a 7 or 11 in craps every time or makes a regular roll using the normal die. Either way he had 1 5+ which is often a success and scoring a critical half the time which outweighs the failure half the time.
I had a set of similar dice. They were craps cheaters. One dice has 6s and 2s, the other only has 5s. If rolled as a pair, the only possible outcomes are 7 or 11.
For those that are unsure how to tell if a 6 sided die is correct, the opposites should always equal 7.. so the 1 is opposite the 6, the 2 is opposite the 5, the 3 is opposite the 4. If you see any other pattern, call that person out for having cheat dice.
I knew a player about 20 years ago (not playing GW games) that had these same semi-translucent red dice and he got plenty of 5's and 6's. He didn't want to let anyone touch the dice nor did he want to ever borrow anyone else's dice. I never got to examine his dice, but the guys in our group all realized it was improbable to get that many 5's and 6's in every game but yet not roll such high numbers when we played games with non D6 rolls he was just average. We eventually stopped playing with him and he moved on. When I see these dice, they are the same dice and his mannerisms told us what we suspected.
I've bought similar gimmick dice. One die is all 5s, while the other is split between 6s and 2s. They're meant to be used in craps, where you win if the first roll is either 7 or 11. I got them for a prank.
I used to manage a GW store (for 10 years, back in the glory days of the late 90s and early 2000s) and if this happened in my store we would have banned the SOB from ever coming back...even to buy stuff.
I remember I attended Adepticon (over 10 years ago now) and one year there was a rumor that spread quickly through the room that one of the players at the top of row (winners row that one their first 2 or 3 matches already) was disqualified for using cheating dice. I didn't see it happen, but it was the talk of the tournament that day and, given observations of a guy quickly (and as quietly as possible) packing up his stuff and leaving, it appeared to be true. Rumor was he had several dice that were all 4s, 5s, and 6s; dice with matching opposite side values will always appear fair at a glance because from any 1 angle viewing 3 different values will be showing from your perspective. Pretty unbelievable that someone would do such a thing, but it happens.
I once had a d10 with only 1 through 4 and 0 on each side. I didn't realize it was like that when i was using it to play a 2d10 roll under game. I was so embarrassed when somebody picked it up and noticed.
Honest mistake my pucker! That's a dice "defect" you can spot out of the corner of your eye while taking a dump in a room adjacent to where the dice where.
I'm in Thunder Bay, seeing this would make everyone I play with cringe. I've always seen Warhammer, both Fantasy and 40k as a gentlemen's game. To see such a player makes me appalled. Still, great video, always enjoy your content, best of luck in your future games!
Theres no way that game hasnt had support for 25 years. I got into miniature gaming during 6th edition 40k as a kid. Back then, this was the Warhammer Fantasy being played at GW stores. I am currently 24 years old (yes, I got into 40k at around the age of 8 or 9), so its definitely had support. Otherwise I wouldnt recognize it.
I remember a work colleague of mine came to work and handed me a Di, i inspected at first and didn't notice anything, and he gave me a hint, turned out it had two fives, the second one a person had drilled a little bit into the four then painted it black, he was at a tournament, so was disqualified and his dice confiscated lol.
Ah yes cheating with high elves. It's sort of like cutting a slice of pie and just taking everything but the slice, then looking back and taking the slice too. I remember 6th ed high elves. Playing them is unfair vs most armies.
Fun fact. All dice both sides will always add up to 7. 6 ine side 1 the other. 4 one side 3 the other. Dice was only be seen by 3 sides at once so if you can make 7 out using them 3 sides your opponent is using loaded dice
Bought a set of dice from amazon that werent cast properly and had a defect on 1 side of all the dice that made them roll anything BUT 6's. I didnt know what was going on. This was blatant. With the speed pickups, the way he would separate them each roll set etc
the dude also speed-picks up his dice. kind of a pet peeve for me, just let them sit there until the other guy sees it. the other thing i have seen at tournaments is mixing dice that have emblems for the 6s and 1s together and acting like the 1 is a six. honestly you should have to show your dice to the organizer and your opponent before the game.
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What a D-bag move. Especially in such a meaningless event. How pitiful does that guy's self image/worth have to be to blatantly cheat here? Just freaking pathetic. I hope he is blackballed in his area.
google trick dice. They are for magic. Let you roll 7 or 11 every time in combinations. They were made for magic, its even the same size and color. I recognize them from doing magic when I was young bought a pair like that at disneylands magic shop.
@@TacticalTortoise think that’s testament to how fair it is as a rule set. There’s a handful of army books that are stronger than others, but never by a lot.
I used to be a press ganger. when i did my warmahordes demos i had a set of dice that was printed to always roll 7 or 11 that i would give to whoever i was demoing to so they would roll well.
When I was young my friend and I played a scout mission from 3rd edition. I borrowed his dice. My scouts would avoid getting spotted on a 6. Thought I was really lucky until we noticed the die I was using was all 6s 😂. We laughed to death and then played again and I promptly died.
Wow, you could get away with them being on opposite sides since you can never see both sides at once- x2 4s, x2 5s, x2 6s all opposite to each other. This is so blatant/obvious that it's kinda funny.
I swear these game companies are so half baked when it comes to punishing cheaters. Should just be 5 year ban minimum if not perma off the rip. Were adults. Act like it or get the fxck out. The game is already intense enough without 'IS HE CHEATING 'anxiety randomly thrown in. Gotta watch people like a hawk. I come from MTG and it was rampant. Even people being so embarrassed about a wrong land drop they swap it out with me noticing then flat out deny it.
The proper way to do this would be custom dice with ones replaced with sixes. Since they are on opposite sides you’d never see the loaded dice unless you picked it up an examined it. Probably need to mix it into about 60% regular dice so some ones do show up. But seriously why do this? Would you feel at all good about your wins?
i have seen dice sets that were all the same number and not as a defect. meaning one dice had all 1's one had all 2's and so on. its for fun and im sure they are not to be used like this. i also dont know if thats still a thing cause this was early 2000's.
i once played a game of axis and allies as Russia and I almost nearly wrecked germany by round 2. Then I looked at my D6 and was like FUUUUUU. Id been using it for DnD for a long time and never realized it was only 1-3
Cheating in our game doesn't make much sense, it's almost a good experiment in the human nature of a small percentage of people. IF they can cheat a little bit in Anything they'll do it & do it without batting an eye. It's just always something on the table to do. I think it's important to note since It can cast a lot of shade on a game and lack of faith. It's just a fact of life of humans and they're out there, if the game you love is popular enough to get large enough numbers of people out there you will encounter deliberate cheaters & they're sadly probably people that can't help themselves. Whatever the reason along the way. Another supporting fact of this "Can't help themselves" is the fact some of the same cheaters end up showing up again after hiatuses.
What a shame! Ruining something that should be about fun with that kind of win at all costs mentalities is the bane of the hobby! I dont speak spanish but il have to give their channel a look as I do so love classic fantasy content! Also, Id bet if I were to order those dice id almost always roll the low number with my ongoing dice luck!
I do not believe in giving these cheaters a second chance. Their names should be posted to a special cheater website and they should be banned from ever playing in any tournaments again. This would also allow people to know who they are and choose to avoid them.
