@@nutterbutter9069 now that I think about it, do vamps have charm protection of any kind? I mean it'd be thematic like in death their minds have become warped and whatevs somethin like that.
@@devin5201 As far as I'm aware they do not - they've got legendary resistance which is pretty standard (and a pretty beefy +9 bonus to charisma saving throws), but no charm resistances or immunities
Roll well enough, and it will be you who has charmed the vampire, especially if their attempt fails (or if the DM's like - "Okay, let's see what happens.")
When you're a GOOLock and you take the Actor feat, listen to someone speak for a minute and use one Way Telephathy mimicing their voice inside their own head to give them ideas as if they thought of it.
I recently played with a goolock who used it basically like Suggestion, by mimicking other people's "inside voice"... And it worked like 6 times in a row, but only because his Deception rolls were stellar. It was paired with the rest of the party doing conventional social checks, so he acted like a force multiplier, nudging NPCs to "just hear them out, what's the worse that could happen?" etc.
I’ve always hated that warlocks don’t automatically get the expanded spell list like every other class with an expanded spell list. I’ve changed this in my games pretty much since day 1
Totally agree. They are already HEAVILY balanced by the fact they have pact slots so the extreme limitations on spells known has never made sense to me especially now that Tasha's includes Subclass Spells known for Sorcerer as well.
Plus they Decided against adding of Spell Versatility from the Unearthed Arcana that allowed you to swap out a single spell for another during a long rest, which made my time as a Warlock so much better because I could actually pick niche spells.
Same here, I really think they should make them as bonus spells and not choosable spells, Warlocks if I remember correctly get only 12 spells and 4 cantrips
I know so many people that use this incredibly popular 🏠 rule. I agree it's not game breaking, and just adds a lot more versatility to the Warlock just to have more spells when you have so few slots.
For great old one: Tasha’s hideous laughter or hold person could both be really good ways to lead into the create thrall ability just in two turns for combat.
@@keeganmbg6999 That I can agree with. But Dungeon dudes really underestimate goo locks. My dm decided at one point to make an evil campaigh(well kind of evil, it turned out more practical not goody goody) . I created flying tiefling goo lock and we were playing in Menzoberranzan. ANd at one point needed to get into one of lesser homes, but it had hired gnoll mercs which prevented us from just getting there(we didnt want to make a fuss while coudl give chance to accuse us and get us problems) . well at one of times we were in a tavern there. And I saw leader of those mercs. Gnoll Barbarian , drinking with his crew. I Decided to fuck around with his brains, and just couple of times put in his head thought'' I Want to take a bath''. or ''I REAAALY want to take a bath'' At first he was confused, then started getting creeped out and angry. and after some time snapped , tried to attack owners of tavern for supposedly drugging him , and got promptly put down with whole his crew by the Menzo guards. So through creative brainfuckery, I managed to get eliminated group of enemies which were in a way of party I was in.
@@MsKeylas This is amazing. It might not be Suggestion but if you pass the deception checks the target should think it's their own thoughts. Even if you fail, repeatedly doing it to dumb enemies produces fun outcomes like this.
Even with “Create Thrall” being reclassified as “Create Friend” (which by the way I love) you could still sneak into the home of a sleeping public official, create a friend out of them, and psychically run a town/city/country from the shadows with political favors. And you could use lower rank officials to pull strings so you can brush shoulders with higher rank officials and climb that ladder of chaos.
My first thought was when the party starts to turn against you because of your pact requirements, you can wait till they are asleep and make them your friends again. A bit more confrontational I admit, but I like when the players don't always have to be on the same page and can have conflicts with each other and what they want... Until you make them want what you want with this ability xD
@@asherandai1000 I like your think (sort of, that being your first thought is terrifying). Problem is you can only have “Create Friend” active on one party at a time meaning the chances of them piecing together that your bewitching party members are pretty high, especially if you keep switching up best friend.
@@Swelephant_ True. But at least you have an ally when they turn against you ;) And it was my first thought because sleep is the first thing that springs to mind when I think of the incapacitated condition. Dunno if that makes you more comfortable with me or less comfortable xD
You guys have turned my opinion of the archfey pact right around. I thought it was the weakest of the phb warlock subclasses, but i am revising that view now. And this is why i like watching the Dudes! Learning is good!
I liked the analysis as well, but even if it were the absolute worst mechanically, I couldn't help myself. Feylocks have so much flavor and roleplay potential, I simply *have* to play them.
@@troyterry5759 one thing I always struggle with is figuring out why my patron made the pack with me but with archfey it was super easy my patron wants names and I collect them
I have a question for you since you are a Warlock main. Would you agree that the Genie Warlock is incredibly strong? I am playing a Warlock for the first time and on paper it looks like the Genie Warlock is far better than the other Warlocks
Same. Hex blade warlock is the only class I’ve played so far and even though I feel my character isn’t as near as strong as the others in my party I still love it. Warlocks all the way!
@@PrestonWillis that is a great choice for a first character :) All warlocks are short rest dependant and may be better or worse depending on your DM. But warlocks certainly are not weaker than other classes :) I advice learning by doing, but if you want tips for making your hexblade stronger, let me know
Such a great idea. There are lots of excellent homebrews out there that keep the feel of, for example, Oath of the Crown, but turn them into really powerful yet balanced options.
I'm playing a Fathomless Warlock in Rime of the Frostmaiden campaign, and I'm having an absolute blast (pun not originally intended). Warlocks have the most amazing flavor in all of 5e.
@@FireTalon24 I've been playing one for a year, currently level 10, and I'll tell you that the powers of the Fey Court rivals with that of the greatest fiends!
@@alvinleonardo1263 I always homebrewed it that Warlocks get thier spells like every other damn class, and Sorcerers get custom extended spell lists for their subclasses. sure, they have more options, but they still have to choose to spend their resources on those options.
I feel like The Great Old One is a name trap that a lot of newer players fall for, people see that and immediately are "enthralled" by the idea of cthulu mythos.
Hurl Through Hell isn't part of the attack, unlike Smite. You Crit with the Hit, roll damage for that attack and then Hurl them through Hell which does its own damage. There's no to hit roll with Hurl, so it can't Critical.
My first 5E character was a dwarf great old one warlock. My favorite movement was in Hoard of the Dragon Queen, i used control fire and my weekend mind to convince a group of kobalds, sucessful deception roles, that Tiamat was speaking to them and that the Human cult members had blashephmied and needed to be destroyed. The chaos that followed made it easy to rescue the prisoners
I always loved the Fiend Warlock for it's Flavor, i like the idea of a "Banker from Hell" Patron that it's essentially a fiend that gives it's mortals a tiny fraction of it's power for the Warlock to nurture and grow, essentially when they die the Patron gets back the power they lended the Warlock "plus interests" (i.e: He lend your character the power of a Level 1 Warlock, upon dying you return the power of a level 10+Warlock after all the effort it took you to nurture that power and make it your own), i just find that whole dynamic a cool way to explain that Fiend growing stronger than other demons around it with every Warlock they "bless", besides it's an "Insurance Plan" (if something steals/seals away their power they are gonna get a huge boon when their last Warlock dies and gain some power back anyway)
Oh, that’s wonderful. That reminds me of a devil I made years ago who created infernal offspring and essentially did the same with them. Gave each a tiny part of his soul, which they grew and developed over the course of their life, and then reclaimed the increased power when they died. This works as a terrific way of making even an initial loss (a good warlock who undermines your evil plans) end up as a net win in the end.
My Fiend Warlock actually ended up screwing her patron near the end of the campaign and imprisoned him inside a magic necklace she found in session 4. Still retained her powers with no commitments. That's S Tier, my friend.
It's probably the best blaster Warlock of the whole selection with its spells. I'd say battlefield control would go to the Fathomless with its tentacles (though the Archfey can give a run for the money unless your dealing with creatures immune to charm or fright). Also Elemental Adept and Meta-magic Adept (Transmute/Empowered) can shore up the weaknesses of the Fire damage being commonly resisted/immune.
@@JoviaI1 As long as they don't nerf it it could be another candidate for a bladelock as well if you change your weapon damage to necrotic and use the Spirit-Shroud Spell to bump the damage.
I really like the warlock class in D&D. In fact, my first ever character was a Warlock. Maybe a little complicated for a first character, but I had fun.
Another great episode, guys. Dungeon Dudes is such an amazing resource for DMs and players-especially new ones. I am regularly sending my players links to these videos to help them better understand how D&D 5e works and how to get the most out of the experience of playing the game. Kelly and Monty, thank you for providing such cogent and articulate assessment once again!
GOO works for a LOT of unusual build ideas and thematic concepts. Never had any issues with players using Awakened Mind except that many players miss the "one way" element and assume they can hold conversations telepathically with normal humanoids. It's an easy thing to correct. In truth, the limitations of AM lead to even more creative uses than replacing the Suggestion spell.
Fiendish. Truly Evil Incarnate.. " When I'm thru with them , they beg for the mercy of swift execution..."- Warlock Interrogator with the Advertising Invocation..
The Dark Delirium power for the pact of the archfey reminds me alot of scene in Princess and the Frog where Dr. Facilier tries tempting Tiana into giving him back the tailisman. He casts an illusion where she's turned back into a human, she gets to see the restaurant she was working towards owning, reminds her of all people who doubted her, etc.
In no particular order: S: Paladin, Cleric, Wizard, Bard A: Artificer, Druid B: Fighter, Rogue, Barbarian, Warlock B/C: Sorcerer (CS, AM, DS and SM are A, DB, WM and SS are C.) C: Ranger D: Monk
I was thinking the Awakened Mind would also be great for communicating to creatures that can't speak your language and might help make more friends instead of enemies.
True, but also there’s an argument that speaking using Telepathy can be seen as potentially scary especially if the creature thinks you’re infiltrating their mind.
It is a fantastic method of doing so. All it takes is a persuasion check to help ease their fears. Used it when dealing with a race our wizard could understand, but not speak to.
21:20 Yes, Hadar is a Great Old One. It's a living star in the Forgotten Realms setting -- which I guess would actually mean it's part of Realm Space. Anyway, it is in the FR Wiki. My cleric had a brush with Hadar which resulted in her Acolyte Warlock feat.
The Warlock, as well as the Bard and Cleric, is one of a very few classes in this edition that is strong and adaptable enough to let you play just about any character concept, perhaps with a little refluffing. It's just great.
We once had a Fiend Warlock. He was imortal, because we didn't know in the time that Temporary Hit Points don't stack, so he always had a ton of them. But even being this much powerful, he almost died, like.. one hundred and twenty times.. because his patron was Zariel, and he didn't know the difference between Demons and Devils, so.. he called Zariel a demon several times without knowing how screwed up he was.
I think Archfey is a bit more situational than you gave them credit for... but I absolutely LOVE the flavor of them. An Archfey Warlock was the first character I played for 5e and I have a profound special place in my heart for it because of that. A lot of people see the characters or think of them as being fey like themselves and I don't necessarily agree with that interpretation. That character I played was a Human woodsman, who in what he convinced himself was an act of love unintentionally killed a young fey being who was the daughter of an Archfey. The Archfey absolutely lost their mind and murdered most of the woodsman's family, burned half of his village, and then killed the woodsman by ripping out his heart, and then brought him back to life and gave him the assignment that he must take an enchanted acorn (which the Archfey used to bring the woodsman back to life, it is acting as his heart) somewhere (anywhere) and plant it (plant himself in a hole) so that their daughter can be reborn. Basically he was alive to die and give his life so that the Archfey's daughter could be reborn. He was an intensely violent character and not at all the capricious smiley fey creature the book tries to sell the concept of. The Fiend though is ostensibly the best of the three core subclasses. But Archfey has a special place in my heart.
I still have to decide between Divine Soul Sorcerer and Celestial Warlock so I'm happy that they finally talk about it to hear their thoughts about these classes. Can't wait for part 2 :)
@@noahmehringer29 I hope Celestial is an "A" too. ▶Lvl 6 Radiant Soul is the "meh" feature of the Lighlock, especially since you only get access to Guiding Bolt from the expanded list, & Sacred Flame cantrip that benefits from the extra CHA mod damage. ▶Lvl 10 Celestial Resistance granting temporary hit points to you & 5 creatures EVERY REST is incredible! ▶Lvl 14 Searing Vengeance brings you back life @ half health & deals radiant damage to any foes within 30ft of you. That's helpful! ▶Healing Light Dice Pool: It's a better Spare the Dying. Bonus Action casting, 60 ft range, & heals health instead of stabilizing @ 0.
I like the thematics for the GOO, but the 1st and 6th level abilities never seemed enough for me so I homebrewed a revised version of those traits. I made the 1st level ability so that you can use a bonus action to let the creatures respond, and the range increases by an additional 30 feet when you hit certain levels. Other ability, I essentially gave it an Unarmored Defense using Dex + Cha. The idea being that your patrons power and sensitivity to the minds around you bolstering your ability to dodge out of harms way.
As a player I have a love/hate relationship with the flavour of warlocks. They're my favourite class that I never want to play. I love everything about them, but I'm too worried about the character I design getting shafted by their patron and either forced to do something they don't want to do, or losing their pact.
@@asherandai1000 patron may not even know about warlocks existance,or it could be benevolent patron,or he may not care. So you don't need to be afraid of being forced to do something against your will. Especially if you choose a patron who already has similar worldview as you
@@MsKeylas That's a bit difficult cause I like to make characters that don't entirely know what is going on. I have a conquest Paladin I'm playing at the moment that didn't know who his god was (didn't realise it was a god speaking to him). He knows now, but that was a reveal that came later. My previous character had assassins after them, but didn't know who was sending them. Just to give an idea of what I mean by that. It's fun for me to try and figure things out, and to see where someone else might take my idea. I had different ideas for the god and source of assassins then the DMs came up with.
@@asherandai1000 I understand, but that doesn't by any means that you will be forced to do something. Especially if you discuss with dm and set a list of no-no you would be uncomfortable as a player
Awakened Mind is simply another way of talking to a creature. The fact that they don't know for certain who is talking just gives you options for how to leverage your existing social skills. If you tell Kent to go stand outside his professor's home but don't go inside, you might be able to persuade him to do so. But Jerry is his close personal friend. Kent is going to go inside that house, and he is going to end up with popcorn lung.
Warlock is a class that has a lot of moving pieces and complexity. Because of all the choices and the warlocks limited ability to change these choices, the warlock has a higher chance for players to experience buyers remorse. The warlock requires more table conversation than most classes, especially with new players.
Warlocks are really great because they can be so drastically different depending on your patron, boon and evocations. You can be a great weapon master, a pet class, a blaster caster or even a powerful psychic/telepath. About the using telepathy to control people, you're more likely to drive your target entirely insane and have them start swinging at everyone around them than to convince them to attack their allies and defend their enemies.
Everyone always overlooks two things about Fey Presence. 1) Nobody knows you are doing it. It doesn't say it reveals you are doing this and it is not a spell. 2) This makes it actually useful in a pinch in social situations where you are near someone. Suddenly they are charmed by you for the next 6 seconds. Maybe just long enough to convince them to do something useful.
I think DM's get this wrong. I tried to use it this exact way and was told "Are you sure you want to do that? They will know you attempted some sort of mind control magic on them if you fail." I was a new player so I believed the DM but I think the precedent of Friends & Charm Person shows that Charm effects will specify if someone knows a charm was attempted.
@@rclammo Correct. 6 seconds is enough time to tell them "my friends you don't want to be here. Drop your weapons and flee from this place." The charm or frightening is enough to convince them in that moment that it isn't worth it for them to be there. They have no reason to doubt their decision because they don't know they were under any effect. It is not like Friends. The duration of charm in this case doesn't matter because it never compelled them by itself to do what you say. it just influenced that all important initial decision (in this case to drop their weapons and flee). But even if the charm lasted for a minute it wouldn't matter because technically all it does is give you advantage on checks to influence them (which you already got).
@@EAtheatreguy It pretty much is. Speaking as someone currently playing a lvl 6 Fiend Bladelock (Vuman for Moderately Armored to get Medium Armor prof), so far all I'm missing at this point is being allowed to crit on a 19/20 and getting REAL healing when a cursed target dies ever vs. temp HP when I kill the cursed target. But I get Fireball and Command as a trade-off, so it's working out pretty nicely for me atm.
I've had a ton of fun playing a Fiend Warlock as a stereotypical witch. Proficiency in cook's utensils, a raven familiar, a tendency to creep out her party members and opening every fight with Fireball. I highly recommend Fiendish Vigor as your first invocation. At level 2, an extra 5-8 temporary HP opens up for a lot of fun RP where your character doesn't even notice they have been stabbed or cutting themselves to fuel blood magic. Combined with Dark One's Blessing and a good offense and people will be amazed at how recklessly you can throw yourself into combat and still come out bloody but standing. Just hilarious good fun.
Ever since they started this series I've been waiting to hear their opinion on the Fiend. My warlock of Zuggtmoy is so happy, especially with Candlekeep releasing today.
I've only played a Warlock once. Great old one. Awakened Mind came in really handy when we encountered a group of NPCs with no language in common. Granted it was one way. But when you can say, "Is this what you meant?" when they try to communicate... No? Try again. Yes? Continue. Turned an encounter that most likely would have ended in combat and gained an ally instead. I never got as far as Create Thrall. But the implications. Incapacitate the ruler of a kingdom. Pick his brain while you're investigating a completely different location. Diplomatic mission, got some addition information... That person you're meeting is an imposter. Then there's just the local bar maid. Watch our stuff while we're exploring. Tell us if someone comes in while we're having our secret meeting. I do have a wizard with Telepathy and Rary's Telepathic bond. This is cool even without the charmed condition.
My very first character was a fiend warlock, and is still my favorite character ever. I played him as a curious learner type, who failed out of a wizard school for lacking the intellect to become a wizard. On his last day at school he accidentally freed a powerful devil trapped in the school, and was rewarded by the devil with the magic he had always wanted.
Once you guys finish the subclass rankings and the Tasha ones, it might make for interesting videos to go back, review your rankings, and make a set of class-by-class videos on how you guys would tweak/homebrew the weaker subclasses to be A or B tier.
GOO can use suggestion on any creature that has a language, which is pretty powerful. Suggestion, if the creature fails, removes a creature from combat permanently ("you must surrender to me now; it's the only way you'll survive") - you'd have to lose concentration for this to break - unlike other control spells that things can save out of, that doesn't exist for suggestion. The main limit to suggestion is language - goo fixes that. And a rod of the pact keeper makes it harder for them to save. You can use it RAW to cast suggestion - if you wanna homerule it away, go ahead.
I used the telepathy to trick someone into thinking someone was talking crap about them and starting a bar fight with a deception check. It was a pretty awesome moment in our first session
I would humbly request that while you are doing the Warlock in this series you should also consider covering the Pact Boon variants as they are also quite important to a Warlock build and can also be used to elevate most Patron bonuses with the right synergy. Keep up the good work guys, love you both.
Greetings from germany Stumbled over your channel last week, very nice, and now you make a analysis of my alltime fav. class😁👍. My absolut favourite is the Genie warlock from tashas..., near unlimitid power, tiny living space😂 My actual character is now the nsc and literally me 😂 (half-orc scribe / writer, who must catalogisize the magical items from his patron and who are on the material world, and he must write usery guides, maintaining prospects etc.) His patron is a Djinn whom he met in calimshan, he needed a job and hasn't read the fine print on his contract😁... now he must travel through most of the planes and the world of thoril😂.
With the Great Old One, I've always seen as the 'Awakened Mind' ability as having the freedom/flexibility of determining what you sound like, as since it is all in their head, you can decide how it sounds. What that translates to is when combined with Mask of Many Faces, it allows for an easier way to pass yourself off as someone else prior to taking up the Actor feat. If you take that as well, then you could possibly become anyone.
An important aspect is that they are a spell casting class that uses their charisma modifier. So you can send them in to parlay or negotiate effectively, and if it's a trap, fireball. They are just as useful in social encounters as they are in combat encounters which makes them extremely versatile.
One of my first character and most loved NPC is an Feind warlock is skin changed into a something very close to an Artificer mixing all alchemist and artillerist or the original sub classes. He was an guild merchant Alchemist that had the personality mix of the Nutty Professor and Elmer Fud even having a rod of the pact keeper in the shape of a gun to shoot eldritch blast, breathing fire with his burning hands and throwing a molotov cocktail for fire ball. he also took the healer feat to do minor healing potion he called Dr Pepper. His name is Pep-Zee Greenbottle
I have played a Great Old One Warlock as a spymaster. He never seems to speak, there's always a crow nearby and he had this... book. It's gibberish, utter gibberish, but he can read it. He can talk to you but makes no sound. People suddenly grow scared or charmed by him though he makes no noise. He seems to know... everything. There aren't secrets against him and those that attack him seem to just... die. Edit: Also with create thrall, you touch someone as they sleep, and that person can hear you voice whenever and persuade them to do just about anything imaginable. It can be anybody, anybody at all and so long as you're not stupid with it then you can easily be the power behind the throne. Remember, being on the same plane puts them in telepathy range which means they have to make saves against your persuasion at disadvantage at any time, all the time, and as a Charisma Caster your persuasion role is going to be through the roof.
When I was a kid I had the Yu-Gi-Oh card “Dark Eradicator Warlock” which was Dark Magician when he was far older. I cherished that thing until I lost it. When I started playing World of Warcraft I naturally *had* to play Warlock. I *love* pet classes. And now that I play D&D, I love Warlock for its unparalleled customizability and that sweet, sweet Eldritch Blast. Absolutely my favorite fantasy class.
Combine the GOO telepathy with Invisibility/Minor Illusion and you could mess with people like Sidious did in Episode 9. Or scare them with an eerie whispering voice like Voldemort in Deathly Hallows part 2.
A goolock who has access to a target several days running can likely drive him half-mad with that telepathy. Assuming the goolock himself can keep focused!
Yeah, the number of moving parts (Patron, pact, invocations, spells) makes the warlock really hard to pin down. Also, were you guys anticipating a lot of blow back from this episode? You seemed hesitant going in.
I think y’all should do a separate warlock tier list for the pacts. I feel like the pact choice is just as much part of the warlock’s “subclass” as the choice of patron is, because it is a major factor in determining what class features they get as they progress in level.
Thanks to the introduction of the Aberrant Mind Sorcerer, I'll never look back at the Great Old One Warlock. All the same flavour with exponentially greater spell slots.
Hey fellas, I have been watching for a couple years now and really like the chemistry you have. I really enjoy all your content and watch when I get home from work. Watching has prompted my girlfriend and I to start a group of our own with some other friends. Was hoping you guy would have some literature you would recommend for first timers and like a how to DM for dummies kinda thing. If you have some place to point us it would be appreciated. Thanks, and keep up the excellent work.
@@aldoushuxley5953 Idk. When I did pact of the chain, that also ended up being the focus of my entire build. I suppose I have never built a warlock that wasnt based around a specific pact choice.
@@___i3ambi126 thats fine, we might just have two different ways of building a character :) What did you play exactly? I tried a goo chainlock once, but did not have that much fun with it (and died quite quickly)
@@aldoushuxley5953 palilock with 2 levels in paladin and 4 to 8 levels in fiend warlock. The main combat strat was to be a front line tank with heavy armor+ shield, attack with divine smite, protect the quasit with the interception fighting style, and have the quasit attack with a bonus action using the invocation "investment of the chain". Then in stealth scenarios the giant in heavy armor would stay far back as he looked through his invisible fly quasit and cast touch spells like invisibility on the dex characters. On top of all that theyre a cha caster for social situations. (And having a constant invisible hand in things is quite the benefit in these situations as well). My favorite character yet.
Yeah, the Aberrant Mind still gets that telepathy at will except with a massive range (though the GOOlock can speak to creatures that don't share their language), the same resistance to psychic damage (you don't reflect psychic damage but to compensate you get advantage against being charmed and frightened), and you can really mess around with minds with your Psychic Magic in far more ways than a GOOlock can. Two level dip into either GOO or Fathomless Warlock (or one level dip and the Eldritch Adept feat) for the blasty goodness, and you're basically a better GOOlock than the GOOlock. You don't get Create Thrall but with your arsenal of sneaky enchantment spells, including Modify Memory, you can probably do a lot worse than just make one dude into a friend.
It's not suggestion but it can freak out someone that doesn't know you can do it and if that person just speaks all thier thoughts out loud then you can eventually convince that specific person that your voice is god
I'm playing as an Archfey-lock and struggled a bit since it falls flat in combat. I often don't know what to do or my spells - aside Eldritch Blast - are mostly useless. I am still very new to DnD but you gave me a lot of insight into the class and how I might rearrange some things.
When I did the survey, I was one of the 50+% that gave Archfey a B. I think the statement that this subclass works well with a player that understands charm and fear conditions well is very accurate. I had thought that when you got to higher levels of play, many of the adversaries you come across will be immune to those conditions. Thus the abilities of this subclass that rely heavily on these conditions (minus the invisibility-teleport that is just plain great) would become less useful over time, and having the capstone also be a charm, very conditional. It would be a niche setting where the "bosses" aren't immune to these conditions and the ability to manipulate in these way would be outstanding, which is kind of the definition of B tier. I now wonder if I overestimated the amount of high level creatures that are immune/resistant to these conditions, and if so would agree that even though charm isn't mind control, it still is very useful. (Having had a character fall prey to a Gaes spell, being charmed by a creature you know wants to kill you and your friends and not being able to do anything harmful to them is very frustrating :P)
i have been playing archfey warlock from 3rd to 6th level and I don't really agree with the a tier. I think it deserves a B because: the charm/frighten sounds fun, but since I am in a party with a couple of melee focussed allies I haven't been able to use it even once. Unless you are making a bladelock, within 10ft is not the space where you want to be. Since I got the 6th level feature, however, I have used that ability once already to get away from an opponent when I got surprised. But after this, I was out of reach of that 1st level ability again. The 14th level ability is solid, but it's gonna be 2 years of campaigning before you get to see that ability. The charm would be better if it had more range/duration, or perhaps on a (sub)class that is better equipped to get in close.
Rn I'm playing a drow fiend warlock, he made his pact by freeing a devil prisoner while escaping from the underdark because he was considered "too weak" the devil offered him power if he'd set her free. This devil happened to be Fierna and she was captured by demand of Lolth to turn the tides of the devil/demon war. I think its neat so far.
I think I would like to use the non-consentual one way telepethy ability of the GOO Warlock to just scream into the skull of anyone who tries to attack me ... try to get a good shot off at me with a consistant banshee wail in your head!
I’m playing a celestial pact warlock in a curse of strahd campaign and I’m so excited for the next installment of this to see what you guys think of the celestial pact warlock!!
I love Warlock, but some subclasses need to be updated. I think GOO should get few changes. For example: Awakend Mind should be 2-way communication (new subclasses get it already and even better than 30ft, like Soulknife Rogue) There should be Immunity, not Resistance to Psychic (and someone who was trying to deal Psychic, would take full or half of what was negated)
Its kind of a shame that they didn't give GOO a more favorable rank, but I guess I get it. Thats always been my favorite SubC for my favorite class, making it my favorite thing over all to play in 5e.
