Warlord's Ruin is a really fun dungeon, but Elitist Datto has one small gripe. 

The acolyte eyes looking like the eyes of an Ahamkara during the final boss is such a nice touch.

So fun to see some heavy creativity from the dungeon team. Playing in a space like this that felt so unique and themed was awesome. We’ve spent so much time in weird alien bright spaces being in a castle with scorn and taken was awesome. So much fun

Hot tip for final boss top floor, you can use deadfall tether and it will kill basically all the eyes for its entire duration, paired with Orpheus rigs and got some super long dps phase Edit: hot tip number 2, try to aim the tether at the top of the meatball, it'll make it easier for it to grab the eyes but also won't block the crit on the boss cause tethers do block bullets

I would’ve loved a “zone capture” style progress circle for capturing the taken totem things personally. I feel like you can’t really tell your progress until more than half way through

I 100% prefer this kind of traversal than ghosts. Having almost no way to speed up platforming sections is always a bad design choice imo. New dungeon is super fun and actually rewards you for knowing where your going.

Watching Datto continuously shoot the totems was unironically painful, I loved it

I think it's good to have a variety of difficulty and intensities for Dungeons. Ghosts was a great first time experience but it's a bit long in the tooth now having pushed against that barrier for a while now.

The final boss was a real, genuine threat. It hit HARD even with max resilience and Emergency Reinforcement active, and while at level.

I really enjoyed the emphasis on not just doing the dungeon once and forgetting it with the “in the shadow of the mountain” quest where you slowly unlock more of the story every time you complete a run and collect more of the lore bones. And that final portal (while only giving a random exotic was kinda lame) being a monologue from one of the characters we hear the least from was amazing

I think it's good you mention the healing aspect of this dungeon. Even in a team of 3, it feels like even with high Resilience and good ad clear, there's so much random chip damage that not running a Healing build feels incredibly punishing. It feels like we've come full circle with the difficulty in this game: enemies have been ramped up and builds have been nerfed enough to where only the best survivability builds can compete. This is not a good sign for things like Arc Warlock, Stasis, etc that have minimal or no survivability options.

My Duo and I's main gripe was our power ammo luck. Spending 10 minutes on the first floor of the final boss for a single brick even with finders was extremely painful.

This is the first dungeon in destiny history that doesn’t have a tedious/annoying part. Underwater parts in Ghosts, 2nd encounter in Grasp, 1st encounter of shattered throne, circuit rooms in spire etc. Also I love how damage phases are quick to get to and short. Nearly all other dungeon bosses take ages and lots of work to get to a damage phase.

I agree that this dungeon wasn’t as tense, but oh boy is this dungeon fun. I ran ghost of the deep to get the navigator and catalyst, and the armor. Haven’t touched it since. I know it’s early, but I can absolutely see myself running this dungeon just to do it, whether with my team, or even joining random lfg’s. I consider this dungeon a win.

I agree with your take on pressure. It wasn’t until my 9TH full clear that I had a wipe and it take a second for my team to realize “huh, that’s the first time.” I think the final boss is intense but competent players will very rarely find themselves wiping. The solo experience is quite difficult so I think this is a solid sweetspot for difficulty. Let the elite have their difficulty in solo dungeons and the normies enjoy a cool experience with some higher than average difficulty. Good vid as always.

I figured it might be worth mentioning that if you find yourself running out of heavy ammo a lot in there, a retrofit with the usual "fourth time's the charm + target lock" does wonders to the last boss. With how easy it is to maintain your aim on the crit spot, you sit on high target lock stacks very comfortably and the boss gets melted

I think this dungeon definitely had some “playtesty” elements, to see how some of those more advanced puzzles and environmental storytelling would go over with the playerbase. I think especially with more challenging seasonal activities, the difficulty ceiling for The Final Shape is probably going to emulate a lot of what we see here. I like seeing the experimental capacity of Bungie and I think this will ultimately lead to a more involved Game; Lore, Mechanics, and Gunplay.

For the final boss, my team used Ghjallerhorn to take care of the eyes and do damage at the same time, worked pretty effectively. I also used Lucky Pants with Malfeascence and it *COOKED* the boss really hard. At one point I had 9.4 million damage from using it primarily during the ascending damage phases, and as a backup when I ran out of rockets. It's what I plan to use going into solo flawless because there are so many taken and high health targets. I can also understand Elitist Datto's take, this dungeon was pretty stakes free, but I think that having an even split of difficult dungeons and easy dungeons is good for newer players, and even older players who sometimes want to relax. This dungeon definitely fits into the doing it to relax with the buds category.

Maybe premature, but having run this dungeon exactly twice so far (once on warlock, once on titan), I think this is my favorite dungeon yet. It's a nice change from the endless slogfest that is Ghosts of the Deep especially. The bosses all felt like a reasonable challenge in a full fireteam with folks who I have historically run a lot of GM Nightfalls with and the like. It's no challenge mode raid, but it also really shouldn't be IMO. Hits the perfect difficulty point for me to really enjoy the experience the whole way through, and I think a lot of it is specifically BECAUSE of the fact that failing a mechanic doesn't mean I wasted a half hour of my life.

I feel like between Ghost and Warlord, it really gave insights into what people want. If they took the intensity/timers of Ghost and the creativity/bosses from Warlord. I think next year we can have some banger Dungeons.

I also wonder if this felt "easier" because we haven't had to chase light level pinnacle cap increases for a dungeon released 3 days after the new season

I think you underestimate the danger level of the final encounter. You can get MELTED by the boss, eyes, etc

I wish the guns were more of A - S- level weapons and not C - B level guns. Everything else is pretty cool.

While first boss is a pushover, I would put it as my 2nd favorite in the dungeon as the boss sets the pace of the encounter and not the player. Feels like a differernt kind of fight than other dungeon bosses

Elitist Datto is back! Time for my latest opinion to be formed.

I understand the idea of "oh there's no danger" but honestly this allows a fun as hell dungeon with some cool mechanics to also be chill as fuck and I'm so in for it

Dungeon is so cool looking and gameplay wise, but why oh why is the loot so mid :( Edit: Completed the loot badge and got a godroll of most of the weapons and the exotic, and yeah its mid.

Like i understand the loot is a bit disappointing but imo there should just be more activities in the game you play because they’re fun and engaging. Not everything should have a grind attached.

Actually struggled way more on this final boss than in ghosts

Love the Transmog for hunters. i just thought the cloak was soft, but it actually has sick Ice Picks on the back

this dungeon definitely was made in a way to make it the go to lfg dungeon for once the system is released, especially with the quest wanting multiple dungeon clears

I feel like this is built to be Blueberry’s second dungeon after Grasp. Very simple, very forgiving, but it takes a bit of knowledge to understand and execute a full run either in a group or especially solo

I thoroughly enjoyed this dungeon & the setting. Felt like we were doing some iron lord stuff

This dungeon, to me, is the Scourge of the Past of dungeons. You can casually jump in and run it relatively quickly, mechanics are easy enough to understand and it's fun.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="303">5:03</a> you know what's really frustrating :) needing to "tag" the Hex drinker in a solo flawless run when the boss is a smdge away from finial stand and the Hex Drinker TP's to the top floor.... :) when your at the bottom :).... Or the ogre nocking you back into the killbox off the map :) ... Or your rocket colliding with the final boss's attack and killing you :) Or the boss oneshoting you because of your framerate :)... I'm mot mad that none of these are my fault noooooo not at all...... :)

My team did the medieval weapons triumph our first run. It was a lot of fun.

Dungeon is cool; cool armor for stasis/winter fashion; interesting weapons, but could use a buff for the sidearm and/or sword to boost usability. The tension for the final boss you’re probably losing probably has to do with the health needed to progress and/or the time needed to damage.

I'm going to disagree on the first point I saw a white ring and knew I needed to stand near it immediately and when there was no immune or damage numbers on the boss or totem I then noticed the noise of it charging up. Didn't feel awkward at all

About the tension thing. I just think there needs to be some sort of inbetween. I can see this dungeon becoming a snooze fest chill run eventually but I also just hate how intense the final boss of ghosts is. There's just SO MUCH going on ALL THE TIME, you never get a second of reprieve. I think Spire's last boss hits it pretty well actually. Sure, he's always chasing you down, and there's always supplicants and minotaurs on your tail as well, but dividing the arena in half gives you someplace to go to get a minute to think. I also like how which half is safer changes depending on where you are in the fight. While hydras are alive, the supplicants will never follow you into the reactor room, and the minotaurs will very rarely ever follow you towards the middle/back of their room.

The stone keep in winter gives me the vibes from Castle level of the original Painkiller and I love it

Quick tip for the final encounter in particular. Glaives are so nice for when you have to sit in the taken totems. They don't transfer the buff so you have to swap for that but the safety is so worth it.

i feel they cant add an enrage mechanic or something like that bc its meant to be able to be done solo yknow? if there was an enrage at 3rd phase no one would be able to do it, but yeah maybe some time limits would be good like in duality like u said

Good to see Elitist Datto is still kicking

Have not run the dungeon but I watched your first run on stream and your run with Jrv and Trv, and I had a great time! Can’t wait to run this later this week

The pendulumn for dungeon difficulty really seems to be swinging between easy and simple to grasp and then into " this could have been a raid with a little extra tacked on" and I think this is a pretty good way to handle content updates for these dungeons. Wouldn't be surprised if the next dungeon will be more akin to Ghost of the Deep. I do like the tension of the harder dungeons but I'm very glad that this one has everything laid out in a way that allowed my team to come up with fun new ways to DPS bosses and tackle ad clear. For the first time in forever, I've found myself with a sniper rifle and anarchy in my inventory and just pull of nearly 1 phases. its a nice change of pace to see different things being more viable than others. Also really enjoyed that little bit of replayability tossed in with the quest and the prison cells. A little gimmick, a little "somethig else" to the experience. Really appreciate that. Only thing I didn't like is how light the lore stuff is. Armor and guns drop no lore despite coming from a dungeon with a cool backstory that should have a little more story to it.

I agree that there wasn't too much tension but that's actually something I like. I liked having a more chill, but still equally fun, dungeon to run through. My team and I took a few tries to beat a the final boss but we weren't using the most meta builds or anything, we were just using what we enjoy. I feel like each encounter has just the right amount of difficulty and mechanics that anyone can jump in, maybe using Fireteam Finder, and complete a run no problems. In my opinion, it's a very accessible dungeon for newer and older players.

This Dungeon was more towards exploration and uncovering secrets than it is stopping an attempted resurrection of Oryx. Elite players will find it easy due to lack of punishment for mistakes but at the same time as you said you are an elite player and I imagine some players will find the fights harder than you have.

second encounter is my favorite, the special sidearms are cool, I also really like the demo chain reaction sword I got. giving a bump to caster frames would make it feel even better

Feels like a good mix to have some dungeons a bit “easier” so to say. Variation from the last few. It’s great overall.

My buddy and I got high as shit and did the dungeon. 3rd boss gave us some difficulties cause we were so one at that point but it was honestly a blast.

I feel like the Difficulty has been tuned to match the upcoming Fireteam Finder and to make it more forgiving as most people will probably jump into this first.

This dungeon feel like a good intro to dungeon diving. Like a step up from Prophecy. Edit. Got the sword and pistol. Pistol is fun. Forerunner+rocket pistol is kinda amusing with special ammo finisher on Arcloc.

I loved that the set up to damage phase was quick and you had control of when you started so if you needed to heal or try to wait for a supper to come back you could but still had to keep moving and fighting as there was no exact safe space to move back to for agro to cool off. Everyone in my team, who all have at least one solo completion of a dungeon each are all interested in trying to run this solo because while it is hard it is manageable with practice and set up. I actually tried Parasite and while I couldn't get it to work right I want to give it another try once I get a bit more familiar with the run.

As a team this dungeon is wayyyy more fun than challenging. Solo experience is very fun AND challenging. It’s not as frustrating when you die compared to Ghosts because you don’t have to walk 15 miles underwater to get to the next boss

I liked spire and it's loot a lot, minus the 2 world drops. But this dungeon was good too, the sidearm and bow is all that really interests me.

You should do another retrospective after the final shape comes out, I love those videos so much

For people struggling with ammo for final boss, found Finders, Scout and Graviton Lance was making plenty if you let one guy deal with the psion spawns with the Catalyst. Was usually at 9-10 by the time we got to the top for the DPS phase

I love this dungeon sooo much ❤

This dungeon respected my time. This is where the difficulty should be. Master mode is the one for “I don’t have a family, make it hard”.

I had a lot of success using malf/lucky pants. the taken enemy bonus on malf puts in so much work and using suspend for ads or arc staff for dps was super manageable.

I've learned that using the tether on the final boss will also lock in all of the eyes they can spawn, and you can just pump damage into it as long as the tether is active.

Man the enemies are called tarnished and the scribs that are glowing looks like does glowing lizards from dark souls and etc the dungeon is heavily inspired for Dark souls and Elden ring

I hated the last two dungeons but this one has been my favorite of all time, and I think it's the lack of tension you're talking about. This one feels like it respects your time.

The Blight Totems could have used an 'immune' message when you try to shoot them, and maybe a larger starting size for the blight ball so it was more clear when you were making progress while standing in the circle.

I did my first run with a couple of buds last night, was pretty fun. We went straight into Master after and are struggling a bit with damage mainly due to poorly timed deaths, so going back in later. It's a good experience

I do agree that more challenge is more fun. In this dungeons, I kind of like that their is no danger or hard mechanic, because now when a LFG teammate makes a mistake it doesn't really effect the run. I don't need to watch over my teammates every second run.

I love difficulty, I'm a huge souls fan, but I also adored this dungeon. This dungeon felt like it was designed to fulfill a different role than everything else in the game. It was a story, an adventure. It was a chance to step into trouble instead of having it show up at our door.

I loved how the last boss of this dungeon calls back to the Riven fight. Not only do the floating eyes have the same pattern that she does, but the pursuit section where you can really pour the damage on lines up with the falling section where you shoot Riven's blisters (You know, the bit that gets skipped because we're so powerful that Riven dies as soon as we get back to the top floor of her chamber)

We noticed that if you don’t have consistent active healing there’s some challenge to the final boss. The ground blights spawning in the back of platforms puts pressure on you to watch your back even when you think it’s safe. They also add additional difficulty to finding a place to heal up. Builds with banner of war, restoration or cure pretty dramatically impact survivability.

To Elitist datto: I agree and disagree for the boss fights at least; Ghosts of the deep was and is my least favorite dungeon in the game, doing 15 min of mechanics for what 40 seconds of damage with ads crawling all over you is not a good experience ESPECIALLY solo. Even for hard core players this doesnt feel great to do, rewarding when you get it sure, but man a pain in the ass. This dungeon allows for some wiggle room which im ok with the mechanics are not hard but that warlord ruin boss solo hits like a truck if you dont have restoration or banner its going to be tougher than i think you give it credit but overall i think its a great dungeon

Since I couldn’t really contribute anything to a blind raid, I love that there are dungeons for mid gamer plebs like me (= doing them blind with my buds is so cool and rewarding.

Assassins cowl on arc hunter makes this whole thing a breeze 3 phased the first boss, 5 phased the second boss, I lost count with the 3rd boss Almost went flawless until I got hit with the cheese touch and didn’t realize it

This dungeon is a whole other experience on master. 1st and 2nd encounter ramp up in difficulty to almost legendary NF levels and then 3rd encounter just sends it going master almost GM levels of chaos. highly recommend trying it once for the challenge

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This dungeon was phenomenal visually and felt more rewarding to do the mechanics right, rather than punishing you for doing anything slightly off.

Three final encounter is such a breath of fresh air. Also are the eyes arranged like that of an Ahamkara? If so, cool lore touch.

While I don't LOVE much about this dungeon, I will say its the most consistently good dungeon from start to finish. It completely lacks those "tedious for the sake of being tedious" moments, and encounters that we wish were one phase shorter. I'm so burnt out on Destiny and still had a lot of fun. That says a lot.

Can't say I was a fan of the sections of health at a time with the last boss. Sure it wasn't difficult just took soooo long. It was my first run so the damage wasn't optimal but i would prefer longer damage phases.

I honestly think this dungeon was the most fun dungeon I have ever played

1 mil subs congratulations man

as someone with no friends to play with it is quite the struggle lol looking foward for the guide

Ghosts is still superior to me! But this dungeon was still lots of fun and the environment was fresh feeling but so was deep's ocean. I just want more challenge, there is very little moments where screwing something up is costly as you mentioned

Great dungeon! Terrible absolutely awful loot

I love this dungeon a lot! It's a perfect dungeon for people who want to test out builds and to just chill and do a dungeon with someone. I love me a challenge, but I prefer dungeons to be like mini-raids with no timers or wipe mechanics. Possibly in the future they could add dungeon variants that give new mechanics and stuff to the bosses to make it harder, or limit your revives, etc. But I do think this is my all time favorite dungeon all around.

The jail section was the only place my team was stumped. But the entire dungeon was beautiful and enjoyable to me and the group i was with

So elitist Datto doesnt want bungie to change things just to cater to him? wow wish a certain world first player would be as selfless….

I did this solo without looking up videos , it took hours to figure out that tag mechanic. As far as a timer ? Don't miss it at all !!!

Just wanna say, risk runner goes hard in the final encounter. There’s basically 0 psions. If you’ve got banner + risk runner + woven… you have infinite banner + seemingly infinite DR. For my solo I think I’ll be using that and rocket + a sniper. Should be a pretty easy time

i will say ive been really enjoying this dungeon so far, the setting, bosses and platforming we're all pretty fun me and some clanmates did our master difficulty run recently and im personally considering some potential builds for my solo attempts since its the last thing i need for the seal technically outside of some currently buggy loot from the master difficulty triumph.

The blind run I did only took like 1 min in the dungeon because I was shooting random stuff and noticed the wheel turning. I then said we should all turn them to the right cause it sounded like a good idea, one teammate obviously misunderstood what I meant by right, and so we hit 4r l2 which happens to be a very common pattern and just like that it was solved. We took like 45min on the final boss cause we couldn't figure out how to get rid of the hex curse. We eventually gave up on completely blind and looked it up and it said to tag the immune scorn.

was super confused in the earlier parts of the video where datto said “destroy the totems” and when i see him shooting them i cant believe he got a mechanic wrong

Stoked to go for the solo run, dungeons stay my favorite content in the game

I think a good way to add some tension for messing up on the final boss would have him send you back to the beginning if you fail to dmg him enough to leave

I hopped back on after a month break to run this. Pretty happy with it overall, although it did feel a bit too easy. Still I'm looking forward to soloing it in another couple months when I finally decide to play again.

The rocket pistol is pretty good in PvE and people who have it should give it a try! It one shots Barrier Champion shields (if you have Anti-Barrier Sidearm) and it feels like it has pretty good ammo economy while being able to output pretty decent damage.

Back end of your vid commentary was absolutely bang on for solo on your feelings.

honestly with duoing the last few dungeons duo on release this one took a good bit longer than ghosts for us somehow love that the dungeon is close to boss rush though and even the parkour bits are short enough to not be a slog to run through

I got a pretty good roll on the legendary rocket sidearm, flared magwell, enlightened action, voltshot, and a reload masterwork. The only issue I run into is running out of special ammo but it 2-3 taps yellows with major spec on

The Sundering perl might be interesting when Sparrow control comes out.

i love old school medieval castles etc so this is by far my fav dungeon

The reason you don’t feel pressure is because all three fights cause you to die if you fail the mechanic you’re participating in. 1st: fail to break free and the cage kills you. 2nd: you can die to cold stacks if you’re not minding the stacks. 3rd: you can die if you don’t get rid of your debuff. In dungeons with mechanics like this, they usually feel a lot less tense overall because the difficulty is tuned down to allow people who aren’t as good to stand a chance against mechanics that kill them outright. Grasp is another one that feels like it has no pressure, and it also has a mechanic that kills you outright. Duality is an odd exception, but the combat intensity is part of what makes the Red World mechanic work. But other than getting out of the Red World, nothing else kills you outright for participating in the mechanic. GotD, Spire, Prohpecy, and I guess Duality, all have mechanics that do not kill your on their own. You don’t die if your Prophecy motes expire, you don’t die if your buff wears off in Spire, etc. Duality will kill you if you stay in the Red World for too long, but otherwise, carrying a flag or banking it has no inherent death risk. If you did die to those things in those dungeons, they would lower the add density to compensate.