I seem to recall Scotty stressing the first time Kirk pushed his Enterprise to Warp 8 to catch a Gorn ship. Different time, similar circumstances and very similar reaction from the ChEng (Navy for Chief Engineer.)
Scotty "You didnt put the actual specs on the engine down did ya laddy? Trip: You bet I did, why? Scotty: Oh you bloody halfwit, you never put the actual specs down.
Nah, I think this was more stressful. Trek has always borrowed heavily from submarine dramas -- most scenes, you can't see the outside of the ship. The tension comes from limited information, ominous noises, characters not listening to the engineers who truly understand the danger
I agree to a more fiction fictional extent, with every monitor on the ship one word "WHY!". Like I said, fiction. This is Star Trek; a universe that could very well become our reality one day.
@@rosa_bot7594 yes I liked this about Enterprise. This show had the action tied on the bridge and I liked it. You knew enemies were flyin around the enterprise, attacking it and we only had the crew and their reaction. It made the view from the outside more significant because it wasnt overused.
Indeed, but I’ll take this, too. It feels like true, classic Trek. You don’t need a super budget to make a world-changing show, after all (just saying, is all).
Fun fact: cannocially the reason why the early Federation won against the Romulan Star Empire was because while the Romulan Fleet was massive, the vast majority of their fleet was not equipped with cutting edge warp drives. The reason for this was the Romulan Fleet at that time was more built for holding their massive empire in check, so most of their ships were stationed in individual sectors and not expected to move beyond those sectors. In fact, the Romulans at the time only had a relatively small handful of warships capable of Warp 5. This turned out to be a saving grace for the Federation, because while their fleet was smaller than the overall Romulan fleet, the number of Warp 5 capable vessels they could field was actually relatively equal to the Romulans. To cut a very long story short, the Federation drew the advanced Warp 5 capable Romulan ships into a battle against their own fleet of Warp 5 craft (led by none other than the good old Enterprise here) and in the end the Federation won the day and decimated the Romulan Warp 5 fleet. This wound up giving the Federation a massive edge in choosing where to fight their battles and the Romulans feared what would now promise to be a prolonged war would entail. The worst case scenario would be the Federation would eventually find a way to warp to Romulas and bomb into oblivion. And Federation however didn't want to continue the war because they were already teetering on the edge and they had no way of knowing how much of the Romulan home fleet they would have to contend with if they counter invaded. Thus why the two sides eventually agreed to a tenuous peace and the Romulan-Federation DMZ was established
@@lukegauci1159 Technically yes. But the Federation Charter was already being drafted when the war broke out and the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellerans all lent aid to Earth during the conflict. Plus Federation was officially founded just one year after the end of the war, in part because of the increased sense of unity forged by all fighting together during the war. So I personally would argue it was for all intents and purposes still the Federation vs the Romulans, or at least the proto-Federation
Hahaaaa the Romulans were like the french during the start of WW2. Still using horses and runners to convey messages because they didn't trust radios. Expecting the entire army to stay put and the Germans to dive right into them.
@@spider0804 I’d personally liken it more to the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, where a coalition of Germanic “barbarians” ambushed three Roman legions and destroyed them, which severely checked Roman expansion in the region
Merryweathers facial expressions always crack me up. The way he says five then looks up is like a kid being told "mum and dad wont be home for another hour, so behave."
"I'm just kidding sir, thats practically impossible. We have several safe guards in place to prevent that. The matter/ Anti-matter stream can only become so saturated. And their isn't a single fuse on this entire ship. one Christmas light goes out and boom, all of main power goes out. Honestly captain its nothing short of a mircale the thing flys at all."
yep and episodes like about warp 2 barrier gave add touch about how humanity advancing and created limitations and Hurtles to over come made it more believable. most prequel today do not get that kind of care.
To think all star fleet vessels just casually cruise warp 5 whenever they want. Non of them think of how at one point it was strenous to early warp engines
Different scales, though! Here, warp 5 is about 125c while later series, from TNG to VOY, warp 5 was nearly double that at about 213c. The Enterprise cruised at about 5.6, I think, which was around 300c and well beyond what the NX could handle
@@AdeptPaladin archer would be astonished at the warp progress in Picard's timeline. Because I think Enterprise E was rated at warp 20 or 22. It would of been able to go faster but there was something in the warp engines slowing it down because of a design flaw or something
@@DonCDXX I remember driving a VW bus (this is in Europe) about 20 years ago. At 45km/h (28mph), it started to rattle and shake not unlike the warp engine at Warp 5 in this clip. I felt really fast at that speed.
People who say Enterprise wasn’t an amazing series completely missed the magic and atmosphere of this breakthrough landmark achievement within the Star Trek Universe. Such a shame that all those people are also in a position to spread their ignorance and destroy an amazing franchise. TNG: 7 Seasons. DS9: 7 Seasons. VOY: 7 Seasons. ENT: Cancelled before the end of the 4th Season, forcing an alternative final episode.
It's a series but I could feel the excitement in this part when you reach a level that something is suppose to reach but never reached until that moment. It was such a huge mistake to cancel this show. The problem with cancelling a show like this is that they rob the actors the ability to keep it going, then if they come back years later they are really old and lost the prime of the time they were in.
Archer telling Trip that it's a warp 5 engine and the reply on paper. Well time to put those figures on the paper to the test, and didnt they later on exceed warp 5 by a few points too? Reminded me of the TNG episode where the ship had been at warp 9 for longer than was recommended, then they received a distress call and Picard increased to warp 9.3, then 9.6. Captain's always pushing their ships to the max, while giving the engineers time to come up with new measures to be able to sustain these higher speeds for much longer. Its all good on paper but if you font push it and then improve on it to make things better you arent really exploring, ha ha. Poor Trip though, he loves his engines, and of course this probably shows that they never utilised the higher speeds unless it was necessary and never went to maximum until this episoide, as thoug they were slowly breaking in the engines as their mission progressed
Enterprise quite regularly reached warp 5 after this. In all likelihood, Trip continually tweaked and modified the warp drive, improving its performance gradually. Enterprise also received a refit at Earth at the end of Season 2, allowing them to sustain Warp 5 indefinitely, even for months on end. By Season 4, Enterprise and Colombia were both capable of reaching Warp 5.2 for a brief period. That might seem minor, but the warp scale isn't linear. Warp 5.2 might've been half again as fast as Warp 5.
@@Cailus3542 Actually, they didn't managed to reach Warp 5 safely, until Season 3 of Similitude (though not sure if they kept the Stream Compression modification). While it's true that Trip tweaked the engines, they were no where close to Warp 5. So, whenever they say casually 'Warp 5' prior to Similtude, it's actually some safe number up to Warp 4.8 (this is also in Similtude, as the ship starts to shake after Warp 4.8). Although yeah, after Xindi, they received new plasma injectors, allowing them up to safely travel to Warp 5 (once again, not sure if Season 3 modification is applied here, it's probably a desperate modification, as they wanted to cover the Expanse quickly), and up to Warp 5.2.
@@Cailus3542 Pshhhh... That's nothing . I am lactose intolerant . You should see how fast i move when running to the bathroom after having a cheese pizza
1:22. I just love arch your smile. It's as if he's looking up and saying“ Thanks Dad! “ since it was his father's engine and the speed was needed to complete the mission
Science fiction is always amazing .its a glimpse into our future and gives us hope that things can and will change.all children must be encouraged to read and watch anything and everything about space and astronomy and sci-fi.
A well designed engine will be able to exceed its' "maximum designed power" when you need it. A certain USN destroyer was undergoing builder's trials before she was handed over to the Navy for their tests. She was one of the first of a new class of ship, the first major DDs powered by gas turbines. The builders wanted to find out just what this design was capable of. They knew she could exceed the Navy requirements but didn't know by how much so on one trial run they disengaged the engine governors and "put the hammer down." The ship exceeded their wildest expectations, running fast enough to tear the sonar dome off. Those same engines are still used by the Navy today but are rated at much better than the 25,000hp called for in the books instead of the original 20,000hp. How much better is still classified because the hull design is still used in Aegis cruisers and the powerplants (engines) are used in those cruisers and Arleigh Burke class destroyers.
@@robertf3479 oh yes I'm a bit of a naval nerd so I know about builder's trials and emergency power. My point was that the Enty's engines were designed for warp 5 and should have been able to sustain it longer than a few seconds for the exact reasons you've mentioned.
The NX-01 was only a step up from a prototype, they were stressing her under real-world conditions along with a fair amount of wear & tear. Updates, modifications and repairs all were taken into account when finishing up the NX-02, Columbia. Just think about the argument between Geordi and Dr. Brahms on the 1701-E where he pointed out all the light-years on her engines.
This scene reminds me of an old song by the name "Hot Rod Lincoln" - specifically the lyric of "My foot was glued like lead to the floor, that's all there is and there ain't no more"
I love this scene. Their first time going warp 5, and then in future seasons they advanced quite a bit to the point that they pretty much can maintain warp 5 for weeks.
@@itsmephil2255 thanks. Personally, I'm going with the "improv" explanation. Scott Bakula and Fionnula Flanagan are both experienced actors. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they came up with it on their own.
I feel like this is the only time in Trek history where the warp engine underperforms what it's designed to do. Every other show, the engines are able to go beyond what their design specs are. A real life equivalent would be getting a car that can handle 300 horsepower and go 150 mph, but you're only getting 290 hp and its limited to 135.
Cars are commercial mass-produced machines. It's only fair that first of its kind spaceship have some mistakes in design of the engine. And about most ships in StarTrek - military vessels should have some reserve capabilities and durability
The NX is like a prototype race car. It is the test. It should be able to do what it was designed for, but you'll probably have to work some kinks out first. The other ships are like Toyota Camrys; modern engines that aren't bleeding edge, they've been put through their paces already. They'll do what the brochure says, and a teensy bit more, but a good mechanic can get a good chunk more out of it.
This is one of my favorite moments from this show. But if their engine is rated at Warp 5 they should have tried it at least once on a slow day. It makes more sense to see if the old girl can actually go that fast on a slow day.
No matter how reduced to sticks and stones humanity becomes, we use the sticks and stones available to us to create good ole fashioned gas and fuel and steam and nuclear technologies; that is a gift from indigenous peoples of Her Earth, and thankfully, that will not end.
Cool. Of course - at that speed - there is no point in having a view screen at all. Because everything you see out of it ahead of you - will already be behind you when you see it. ☮
I mean, if you're following the power usage charts, Trip should have wanted them to go faster. Holding just before the threshold is like edging the engine. Unless you're following something just pop it into the next gear
@@momokochama1844 yup. And according to Star Trek "history", humans only achieved Warp 2 in 2143. So it's a miracle they even got to Warp 5 by 2152 (the in-story date of this episode).
I’m not an expert in Star Trek lore but if many civilisations had warp for millennia before Earth did, why did every other planet just stall with warp technology? And not try to go faster? I understand Zefram Cochrane might’ve made something unique but why didn’t someone else out there do something similar on their own, first, while we were still learning to melt metals?
pitfalls of not having vaulcan oversight, some probably blew up to many times to make it worth the risk or were to far developed in a bad engine design that they had to go back to zero to redesign it. or they never had a push to go faster
Well we don't really know the development of the Tellarites or Andorians, but Vulcans were super cautious, wasn't there a line about the vulcans being scared of humans as we went from the first flight to warp travel in a short time. I think its humans that are unusually expansive and like just do stuff, actually going through life just pushing the big red button. Lol
They were mainly independent worlds. It was only through the Federation that its member worlds contributed through mutual research and production. That allowed a vast progression in technologies.
It's probably the same sort of thing that held back ocean travel on our world for so long: lack of incentive. The only real reason oceanic voyages started on Earth was the Ottoman Empire cutting off Europe from the spice trade. The journey around Africa was long enough and dangerous enough for one mad bastard to ask "wouldn't it be faster to go around the world instead?" Per the show bible, Warp 5 gives you access to 10,000 planets in a year's travel. I can see trade and conquest getting you to that threshold. But the expense and complexity and danger of going faster likely outweighs the benefit for a lot of worlds.
Vulcan ships could do Warp 6 or 7 at this point if I recall, similar to Andorian. The difference is humanity got to Warp 5 in a century... they took multiple centuries.
I thought at each integral warp factor the power required to maintain speed would drop. Meaning it takes more energy to go warp 4.9 than it does to go warp 5.
I am still little confused why they gave them an engine, said it can go to Warp 5 without ever testing it. Imagine Navy installing prototype rockets at their destroyers so they can test them in a case they get to shoot them on something.
Itwas a prototype and it launched prematurely too. It didn't even have all the systems installed. It was meant to go at the very least through more testing and a proper shakedown cruise, but then Archer insisted and convinced the admiralty that the ship was ready and could be used on a critical mission to Qo'nos in the first episode of the series. Then, since that went sort of well, the admiralty decided to keep it in service and iron out the kinks as they came up.
I hate how they killed Trip In the end. There’s no reason why this could not be rebooted and continued. Obviously they would probably use different actors. Or they could bring the same cast back, but since the original chief engineer is dead, dynamic will never be again.
Depends on which era we're talking about. If you're talking TOS (and presumably ENT), then the speed in multiples of c is equal to the cube of the Warp Factor. So here Warp 5 would be equal to 125c. But in TNG they recalibrated the scale. Warp 5 = 213.7469933c
It still is Trek. If anyone can point at Season 1/2 TNG or Season 1/2 Enterprise and say "this is quality science fiction"...well, that speaks for itself, really. Discovery and Picard have yet to reach the high points of Trek but they're far above the low points, despite what the rabid fans are screaming.
@@Direwolf1771 if you can't handle the opinions of others that disagree with you, then I suggest you grow up and learn to deal. Because child neither you nor anyone else has the right to tell anyone to shut up. Also it appears from the like numbers for my original post that both of you are in the minority with your opinions.
@@Cailus3542 discovery and Picard are destined to fail, just because every trek series have bad first seasons It does not mean that because these series also have it, they will be good in the future, because these new series fail in other types of things.
@@PR--un4ub Bigots and Trumplorables flock around Trek videos like crazed bats. I've never been able to figure out why. Star Trek is about a future where their kind have been left in the past. Maybe they're just too dumb to understand the themes and just like rocket ships and laser guns.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Most creative types are liberal/progressive/left-wing. There's a reason why right-wingers congregate around these works of fiction...their own entertainment "industry" is pathetic by comparison.
