Was Amber Really That Bad? 

I understood her side until she said she'd known about Mark being a superhero for like 3 weeks

Funny enough season 2 Amber has the opposite problem where now she’s too understanding and her and Mark are just wasting screen time holding on to a dead relationship 🤔

the changes on season 2 is so drastic she doesnt feel like the same character, but hey thats a good thing.

Amber revealing that she knew he was invincible and still not understanding Mark’s side is what made the fan base not like her. I admit she was more understanding and patient in season 2, but the damage was done already. She just serves to prove the point that first impressions really do matter, even in fictional story telling.

Amber was problematic in season 1, and season 2 was more understanding

My favorite bit from her in season 1 was, after witnessing Mark get beaten almost to death by his own father after being lied to for his entire life, she goes to him and takes him back literally saying "we were both lied to :(". Just straight gaslighting him and equating "my boyfriend lied about being a superhero" and "my dad is a mass murdering alien psychopath who killed his coworkers in a bid to ready the planet for an alien takeover, killed thousands of innocent citizens and used me as a body shield to rip apart an entire subway train, traumatizing me horribly". Like, this was 100 percent a conscious decision on Amazon's part. It's evil for no real reason

As everyone in the comments is pointing out, Amber has completely turned around from this in season 2. The only thing that still makes me hate her is that she had absolutely no character arc to make the change into a more sympathetic person. The writers just knew that people hated her because of how awful of a human being she was and just rewrote her instead of building her up to be a better person.

I resent the fact that you claim that Mark solely stood up for Amber when she was getting harassed because he was hoping to awaken his powers. Granted that would have definitely helped motivate him, but that doesn’t discount the truth that Mark has a strong sense of justice and its well established that he is motivated to help and protect others even at the expense of his own well being. No one else did anything to help Amber in her time of need, Mark did even when he still didn’t have his powers. He faced someone bigger, stronger and more aggressive. Amber only “saved” Mark when he gave her a perfect opening since the bully was too focused on beating him. You criticize Mark for not checking up on Amber after she was harassed by the bully when HE WAS THE ONE WHO GOT HIS ASS BEAT. You say he goes from pathetic to confident, I strongly disagree. Mark was never pathetic. He stood up to bully’s even when that very much ended up hurting him. That’s very admirable and not something to be looked down on by you. Do you look down on people that die in the line of duty because they didn’t come out victorious? Obviously it would be cooler and sexier for him to beat up the bully rather than be the one that gets beaten up. That doesn’t change the fact that standing up for someone else against someone more aggressive and stronger is brave and admirable rather than being something pathetic or to be looked down on like you say. You criticize Mark for confronting the bully from behind , my question to you was what do you want him to do? Did you expect him to walk in front of him before confronting him? That’s dumb. He still stood up to him face to face when the bully turned around and then sucker punched Mark. Mark did show himself to be an inexperienced fighter but that in itself isn’t something to look down on him for when confronting someone who doesn’t think twice when sucker punching him. You also gloss over the fact that Amber compares Mark keeping his secret identity from her the same as his father lying to him his whole life about his intended conquest of earth. Not at all the same and frankly insulting that she would even make such a comparison.

The issue people have with how amber is handled is that the show treats Amber like she is completely in the right and Mark is completely in the wrong.

Honestly, this anaylsis of season 1 Amber was being generous by leaving out a couple lines that really sold why she was so insufferable. Yet, somehow they managed to convince us to care just a little bit in late season 2. But, it says a lot that in season 1, Amber was easily the most hated character, even more hated than Rex. Rex was literally written to be an asshole in season 1. Yet, he was funny.

They really changed Amber for S2. She's much easier to sympathise with this time around.

Season 2 amber was a great turnaround and the end of ep 7 made me empathize a lot with her

I think what angers me the most about Amber is the way she just suddenly becomes understanding just because Mark told her about his secret identity. Where was the greater good before? Was it not as important when you knew he wasn't telling you the full truth? Should people have been left to die against villains just because your boyfriend didnt want to put your life at risk like what happened when Anissa came? I genuinely think they only made a change like that because they desperately wanted people to be sad when Mark and Amber broke up, rather than celebrate.

Unfortunately, Amber suffers from a condition called bad writing.

the main problem i had with the amber character in the show is that they actually knocked it out of the park in the comic. in the camics it was a really smart, mature and mutual break up where they admitted they cared for each other but also both registered that it wasnt working. and then went on to be in each others lives and close friends. it was amazing to read such a good example of how break ups dont have to be horrible and can in fact be good for both people if everyone can be grown ups.

as someone who has seen your face irl years ago, this is wild

I thought this was going to be a "trash Amber nonstop" video. This was put together really well, and it made perfect sense. Very rational and logical. I agree with just about everything you said. The only thing that I'd add is that she lied to Mark. She was lying by omission. She pretended that she didn't know his secret instead of just being honest. Not the worst kind of lie, but neither was his. But still, i like the fact that you pointed out how young they were.

Bro answered the question of the video in the thumbnail 💀💀

a 5 month relationship isnt enough for a superhero to reveal his identity

Dude I like amber I really do but she knows he's a hero and still gives him crap about it "you didn't do this you didn't do that" DUDE HES A HERO STOP GIVING HIM CRAP ABOUT IT and dude if she thinks he's dishonest that's cool but once again he's a hero he knows she'll be targeted if she wants him to be honest she needs to be honest LIKE TELLING HIM SHE KNOWS HES A HERO she thinks hes lucky to have her but shes lucky to have him comic book amber was flawed but atleast she wasn't a jurk about it

If they had just adapted her properly instead of turning her into a "Fourth wave feminist" People wouldnt of had a problem with her

Amber was a much better character in the comic books and both her relation and breakup with Mark were done much better, they tried to fix her in Season 2 but that won't erase how awful and insufferable she was in season 1 .. race bending her to fill some DEI checklist didn't help either but it is the least of the character's problems.

I just didn't want a hero with a normal person I've always hated that trope

If I’ve dated someone for a few months, no I don’t expect to know Everything about them. ESPECIALLY for a fucking superhero!! Imagine if someone’s girlfriend of 4 months got mad at them for not sharing national secrets from their job as a Special Forces soldier or some shit?

The only real bad part about Amber was the bad writing with Mark telling her about him being invincible. It was uncharacteristic of her to act like that and it was just bad writing because if she knew he was invincible then realistically she would understand. If they just made her mad that, to at least her, Mark just left her in danger then also bring up all the times he just doesnt show up then it would have been fine.

I honestly still don't like season 2 amber, she still has a little bit of season 1 amber in her, and it sometimes cracks, and it just gives me ptsd.

It’s my personal headcannon that amber was just lying when she said she knew he was invincible, then realized how horrible she was being when she actually saw the kind of things mark was dealing with on a daily basis. Sure she saw the robots, and the injury from the “bus”, but my headcannon has her being stupid as opposed to being an actually horrible person.

I agree 100% and my biggest issue with Amber in season 2 is how her attitude and personality feel like damage control for how bad her worst moments were in Season 1.

Honestly wish season 2 had her and Mark reflect on that scene. To me I think that scene ruins her whole character because she had no right to yell at Mark for "running away to get help" if she knew who he was. If they wrote the scene differently and didn't have every character make Mark feel bad for lying her I think she wouldn't get any hate and in fact people might feel bad about their break up

Amber was horrible season 1 they completely changed her character season 2 she good now doesn't feel like the same person though

Amber just wants a normal life

I'm so happy how season 2 turned out. Season 1 ruined her so bad was crazy. I've been in and still am in a relationship that started in high school as well. If I learned my girlfriend was a super hero who risked herr life when she was needed how could I explode at them

I hated amber when she knew mark was invincible the whole time snd still acts like a bicth, later episodes in season 2 she got a character development i think

Had Amber never said anything about knowing Mark was a superhero, no one would've been jumping down her throat on the matter. Given as smart as she tries to make herself to be, should know that a secret identity is one of the most important things for a superhero to have for many reasons. Yeah, the relationship was doomed to fail, especially them being in high school. But Amber took it too far given the extra context.

I mean I agree mark was being a terrible partner but that was under the assumption she didn’t know he was a superhero. He was constantly flaking on plans, neglecting, her, etc; all terrible qualities in a romantic partner. Seriously screw the homeless shelter; I’d say stopping the earth from being destroyed is far more important then volunteering in a cafeteria.

Season 2 Amber is a completely different character compared to season 1 Amber

I couldn't get over the line she said when she came to mark after what happened with his father "I guess we were both lied to." That line just reeks of an awful thing to say in that moment. Imagine you broke your leg and then I compare my scrapped knee to what you've been through today. Its wild.

Yeah tbh out of all the improvements the show has made from the comics, I will say Ambers character in her entirety was butchered. I get in the comics she wasn’t that interesting either and I’m pretty sure everybody including myself was just waiting for them to break up so mark and Eve could get together. But she was still decently written, she was the only normal part of Marks life, besides William, and she was definitely his support system early on in the comics. Show Amber was a toxic bitch throughout the entire first season especially towards the end, and tbh considering the fact that there wasn’t much more to do w her character they really shouldn’t have put them back together, but they did. And then Amber was just kinda there throughout the second season, because they didn’t have to do so much of the explaining and shit Mark had to do in the comics, because well she already knew. There was just nowhere left to go w her character and she was really just wasting time in the show lmao. Still better than season 1 just now she was just kinda there instead of actively making things bad. It also just didn’t make sense w her character, like she was just a rude ass bitch season 1 and then 2 comes along and all the sudden she’s all understanding and just kinda there

I have nothing wrong with Amber being raced swapped the opposite from the comics but I have a problem with the bad writing that went towards her character in the show like the producers of the invincible TV show went out of their to make her unlikeable in the sense she goes out with a boyfriend knowing he is invincible and is so self centered and doesn't acknowledge Mark has a world of his own and why? They could have had done so much more with her character and gave her valid reasons to break up with Mark and give Mark valid reasons why Eve was better a choice for him and this why he wants to end things with Amber in a respectful way so this would be even better as the break up would be a conscious decision where both parties mutually agree why this would be the right call to make. I like Invincible as a show and see it as a decent adaptation of the comic but man them screwing up with with the character of Amber puts a small dent in the enjoyment I have for the show but then again if the writters improve the story maybe this could be worked around.

Amber wasn’t even bad it’s just that mark and her live in different worlds

Tbf I think her main problem is that she was extremely boring in comparison to all other plot lines

I saw Amber as just there, you know? Not hot or cold, but lukewarm. But my overall ennui toward her is its own issue, since boring is the worst possible place to be in shipping. Of course, part of it is knowing the comics, knowing Mark and Eve are already endgame.

Screw Amber. MARKEVE MARKEVE MARKEVE MARKEVE MARKEVE MARKEVE MARKEVE

I honestly don’t mind their toxic relationship, it’s relatable, but it’s frustrating that the writers pretended like it was a good relationship

i really like this video; you do a good job of nailing what I didn't like about her in season 1, and mainly that the writers just act like she was perfect. for me, the nail in the coffin for Amber was when she equated Mark's attitude with his secret identity to what Nolan did in the finale. And to me, that was psychopathic.

I liked amber, until I got to know her better. Once I found out that she knew Mark was invincible, it set up a paradox where she was simultaneously the most empathetic person and the least empathetic person. But hey, they really subverted my expectations.

14:59 The answer is actually quite simple. Don't enter a relationship with someone not in the know. Honestly, Mark's biggest failing in this relationship wasn't his time management, but his refusal to let the relationship die. He clearly wasn't yet ready to handle both being a hero and being a boyfriend at the same time.

Amber acts like Mark is hiding his hero identity just to fuck with her, but theres a reason its a secret identity. Villains in the series wont hesitate to use or kill you if they know you are related in some way to the hero they hate.

Never start dating a girl on birth control. When they come off, it's like season 2

She was fine and completely understandable until she says she knew about him being a superhero. Then she gaslights mark to think him saving lives is bad because she should be his priority and not “lie” You did a great summary.

Only one person has brought up the fact that she was willing to blackmail with their personal information. Mark doesn't know that. But we do. It makes it weird to think about, is he supposed to risk his safety and his family's for someone he barely known for less than a year?

to be completely honest, amber's biggest problem is: even if you have not read the comics, it's not hard to figure that mark and eve are endgame. this makes people feel like amber and mark's relationship is pointless because of course they are destined to break up someday.

"Mark should be getting his life together" Oh yeah, mark should totally make sure to schedule the Earth threatening events he constantly has to stop so they work around everything else. It's not like time is of the essence for any of it anyways. Yeah in case you can't tell, that argument is idiotic. Cecil isn't telling Mark anything in advance, it's all get up and go in that exact moment and half of it takes weeks to get done. Really hard to schedule an unshifting work schedule around invasions from another dimension that are entirely unpredictable. And he's so lazy, always faffing about in a hospital because he gets beaten to near death taking down a criminal organization that's driving people out of their homes instead of serving soup to the people that were driven out of their homes. What an asshole he is.

The way people say Mark was a bad boyfriend just puzzles me. He did his best and everyone gave shit for him, no one tries to be in his shoes

They really wanted a black woman as a lead character but were afraid to do anything with her. In season 1 she was an asshole and in season 2 she's way too understanding, it's like they can't write a woman just like they write any male character

I think Amber behaved accurately to what a 17 year old girl would do in such a stressful situation. She was wrong, and is a severely flawed and narcissistic character. But thats okay, and to be expected. My problem with the show is that it portrays Amber as faultless and Mark as a fuckup. If Eve and William were more empathetic, or even sided with Mark, I think Amber would be less of a hated character and more of a flawed character, her abrupt and seemingly random change in season 2 would be seen as character growth rather than backpedaling writers

I swear, it felt like a completely different writer was tasked with Amber’s character. Because the rest of the female characters in Invincible were changed and expanded on in very interesting ways that improved them greatly. Hell, when Atom Eve does something impulsive or makes a bad decision in season 2 she’s shown consequences and is portrayed as in the wrong for being so careless. So, why was Amber written in such a strange way?

The main grievance against Amber was her knowing about Mark being Invincible for weeks prior to him telling her so. I agree, but having Amber come back after the Omniman incident with, "Looks like I wasn't the only person being lied to..." Just added another layer to the Amber hate cake. Comparing Mark keeping his identity a secret from her (with her safety in mind, lest we forget), with what happened between him and his father (not to mention what it meant for his mother, and lots and lots of innocent people) was just...stupendously terrible. I can understand one writing mistake, but that line on top of it all? And not even a hint of an actual apology? It starts to sound less like a mistake and more like a double-down. The writers should have just leaned into it for season 2, and written her as the weird, narcissist sociopath that she was giving clear signs of being.

Being 17 is literally not an excuse to her actions, Mark was in a life or death situation more often than she could have had dates with Mark. The fact they're both new to the relationship and Mark just becoming a super hero is the problem. He wasn't popular in school and he didn't excel in anything much but was and did. She's supposed to be the smarter of the 2 yet she was the most childish by wanting Mark to reveal too much about himself. The fact she knew his secret prove 2 things, the fact she doesn't care about his problems when her own is more important to her. And that she doesn't realize the world she lives in to assume him being a super hero isn't enough of an excuse to accept "why" for anything. The point of secret identities is to protect people like her, she may not hate him but she as hell doesn't respect him or his fight. He had all the reasons to turn against humanity, to be the only of the 2 to be more human.

I really emphasized with Amber up until she said she always knew. I don’t understand why they would even do that. It was such a weird thing to do, and I don’t know if it was in the comics or they added it for the show and what they were thinking but you really beautifully broke down why it was so frustrating. Nobody showed mark how he could’ve done better and that’s so disappointing.

You now the irony? The argument is that 'Black women can relate to Amber!" ...... I was more like Mark. ......And I'm a Black woman. I wasn't in after school social clubs, I wasn't in extra curriculum groups....I was the one weird Black chick that went home, did her homework and watched anime and saved up to buy manga and didn't know *WHAT* I wanted to be because I didn't feel like I actually fit in with the peer groups I was *SUPPOSED* to be with (let's just say, the young upcoming 'girl bosses' that we often see now) and as such I was on like the lower rungs of the caste system in highschool and even as an adult, there is still a sort of view of how you should present yourself if you want to be an 'intelligent empowered independent Black woman'....which is why I didn't like Amber, because she's nothing like how the comic portrayed her which was actually a funny joke. In the comic, Amber was scared Mark was doing illicit shit which is why she was concerned and the revelation to what was happening was actually relief to her even if they didn't remain a couple. So my question is why didn't they keep that sort of persona even if they race flipped her? It was like the moment they made her Black, she wasn't allowed to have that goofy, funny moment. Instead they made her the most condescending bullying person I've see and like I said, I AM BLACK and it bothers me that they honestly thought that doing that made Amber feel more 'real', on top of giving her all the stereotypes of what they believe Black girls read and want to study. Maybe it was apart of the joke but when the 'required reading list' came up for Mark I just....it's so damn tiring. Again, maybe that's apart of the joke but I've had too many encounters with that overly aggressive, gaslighting hardass mentality that again, I sided with Mark because *I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE AIMLESS AND NOT FEEL LIKE YOU MEASURE UP*. Sometimes I still feel that way even though I have a job and get stuff done but I still don't meet the correct 'image' that people see that Black women, even fictional ones, have to walk. It doesn't help that they reveal Amber *KNEW* so her behavior and aggression towards Mark comes off as her just getting angry that she either can't benefit from his position as a hero the way she sees fit or that she refuses to understand his position of what he went through emotionally and physically given he came into his powers so late. Even more, they're still teenagers/college yet Amber behaves like some middle age woman hen pecking her husband for not living up to standards she keeps constantly changing to fit in with her peers vs actually forming a healthy relationship with Mark so in the end, no. I don't feel bad at all that it turned out bad because in this version, Amber comes off as a complete bitch to be around and on Mark's part it almost feels like there was some desperation to *BE* with someone without realizing what that actually means. It was his first relationship and he's still a kid so there is always room to grow but the problem is Amber was changed so needlessly into an archetype that yes, helped Mark be more sympathetic but he's already a sympathetic and relatable character just from his hero's journey alone. Amber's character change had the unintentional effect of adding to the sympathy because she reminded me too much of a lot of bad experiences I had from other girls but the problem is I don't know if the writers thought that was a joke or if they honestly believed what they did was write a 'realistic Black female character for Black viewers to relate to' because I couldn't relate to the scowling bitch at all. I mean, if it WAS a joke then they did land some of the stereotypes but I don't understand why she couldn't be Black *AND* a genuinely nice person as she was in the comics, especially with how the breakup was handled. It just rubs me the wrong way because it comes off that she couldn't be BLACK and a little bit perky. Instead they just with the nagging, needlessly condescending gaslighting guilt tripping route because they believe that makes her 'strong'. No, it just makes her a cunt. That shit ain't cute. Edit: And again to show that I like Mark a lot more, the whole situation between him and Todd was wonderful to me simply because, in an era where 'subverting expectations' means jack shit now I think that scene did it right. Mark has his powers but instead of 'teaching Todd a lesson' by potentially breaking every bone in his body, he pulls a move that shows just how Todd has nothing better to do. He actually let Todd has what he wants in 'beating him up' but when Todd finds out that he can't hurt Mark no matter how much he punches him, HE GIVES UP. That was actually a very clever thing for Mark to do because he found a way to defeat the bully without putting a hand on him or even humiliating him in a massive way. He just showed Todd how pointless he was acting and as a result Todd saw how pointless it was and left. Of course it being highschool the word is going to get out but Mark defeated Todd in a way where he didn't have to be aggressive or violent but instead used his brain and thinking skills. But that's sort of where I veer off when it comes to how Amber gives Mark her number. He had to MANIPULATE Todd in order to do so which actually says a lot about her. Todd is NOT supposed to be a sympathetic character at all but all of a sudden, Amber now has the ability to MANIPULATE him into giving her number to Mark which shows she could have easily gotten Todd off her back LONG AGO just by playing with him but only NOW does she actually use that tactic to get a boyfriend, NOT when she was actually being harassed prior to even paying attention to Mark. It would be funnier if Amber herself wasn't so abrasive and presented as a shallow ladder climber. Eve is the most popular girl in school but from the looks of things, there is a clear indication as to why; because Eve is more approachable and sociable. This is why I don't like people like Amber because she views her entire life as a petty competition and only cares to have things as a status symbol. She's incredibly shallow and not in a way that is funny to the plot. There are selfish characters that work because they're entertaining. Hell, TODD works as this because he's a one note bully but him getting manipulated into doing such a random thing for Amber *IS* funny for HIM but it doesn't look the same Amber because this shows you how much power she actually has to get bullies off her back because she knows how to use her words against them. Her problem is she doesn't stop with this demeanor on MARK who is in a position where it is understandably weird for him to tell the truth to her but she keeps digging and digging further and further only to reveal she knew. She KNEW his secret the whole time but didn't stop when it was clear that Mark was uncomfortable and felt cornered. Using the card is cheap but if the roles were reversed, more people have called Amber emotionally abusive and cheered for Mark (or female Mark giving this scenario) to leave. So I get that yes, Mark didn't know how to handle his relationship because this is his FIRST relationship and it's going to be weird and awkward, especially for someone of Mark's.....ahem, *SITUATION*. But the way Amber is written in this casts her as a completely toxic person. I've known girls like this before and her behavior, her actions? Everything she does and how she treats people is to validate herself and to feel socially and morally superior. Even if Eve had another boyfriend, her reaction to seeing the two getting along just by talking was one out of jealousy and spite. She wanted to SPITE Eve to take her down by snipping Mark from her before she had a chance to if Eve and here other BF broke up because Amber could already tell that Eve and Mark had chemistry but she wasn't going to allow 'Miss Popular' to win another one over her. Amber is an antagonistic control freak who took advantage of Mark's situation. She KNEW but continued to put him in socially awkward positions to 'test' him despite knowing how dangerous it would be if Mark blew his cover. So yeah, fuck Amber.

Mark….a 17 year old….should be able to balance his responsibilities of high school, a girlfriend, a part time job, and being a fucking Brand New SUPERHERO!? What? XD

Amber is peak DEI, I white character, turned black, to check a box, them written undoubtedly by someone who hates the source material, probably a committee of them, and made unbearable and hated by all, just like that recent Sony game with the black character, so forgettable I can't recall the name, but the studio closed over it's failure.

Honestly, her reaction in the comics is how I would react if I figured out my boyfriend was a superhero.

The moment when you get an ad at a perfect time William says "Imagine you want to take over all of europe-"

9:10 I would like to state that most if not all people would run away in this situation. It is very demanding of a non super hero to go out and save people while Putting their own life at risk. So why does amber get to state that he did the wrong thing although nearly anyone would do it given the situation.

My biggest problem with Amber is just that she is a completely irrelevant character that has way too much screen time

People saying season 2 amber was much better, but honestly i didnt like her much in season 2 either. Their relationship was so forced it wasted so much time in the show. No chemisttry whatsoever, and there was no point to it by the end of the season

Me watching this as a 17 year old: yes yes... 18:32

Yes, yes she was.

i'm ngl this might come off wrong but i was mad mark didn't pick eve from the jump

Great breakdown better hat

Great video. I've seen so many black people especially black women say that we don't like Amber in season 1 because she's a black woman which made me cringe so bad as a black man,myself.

I think it's genuinely very hard to tell how much of this issue was bad characterization of Amber and how much was the writers failing to write teenagers well. Because everything pretty much all of them did makes sense when you consider that teenagers are not exactly the best at things like impulse control or critical thinking - but on the other hand the writers make it very easy to forget that, in Season 1, some of these characters are literal children, and they don't really do much to build on that idea or have it come to the forefront of peoples minds. The show explored a lot of themes and it's no surprise that not all of them could pan out in the first season, so hopefully it will be done more justice as the show's run continues.

The trick they used to make Amber more likeable in season 2 is completely change her personality so much so she doesn't even feel like the character in season 1.

I completely agree with everything but with season 2 done i think she changed completely and its kinda weird because now she just doesn’t give af about anything he does

I was annoyed with Amber when their breakup episode first came out just because her position seemed so weirdly selfish and unreasonable but now that I think about it in retrospect...like yeah obviously her kneejerk reaction is going to be the selfish one. She's a seventeen year old kid. Think about when you were seventeen. You were probably more self centered and less intelligent than you are now because you just started to vaguely resemble an adult like a year ago. Obviously she's gonna take the "Pick me over being a superhero" position because that would preserve her sense of normalcy and safety. It's not the "correct" decision for the character to make, but it is the human one.

damn i didn’t even think about this that deeply, i left it at common high school drama as filler content

I like to believe that getting hit by todd activated his powers, since vitimites get stronger the more damage they take

If I'm being honest, I subscribed simply because of that hat my brotha 🐐

One thing that I think does set people off is the fact that she was race swapped, AND had her attitude & personality shifted to be way more bitchy. While race swaps *_do_* put fans on edge (rightfully so given the poor track record) despite the pop culture "gamer men just don't like minorities!" strawman very few people actually give a shit in-isolation and only respond negatively because it's a growing trend (see anything Marvel) for swaps to be done for idealogical rather than story reasons. Case and point for this is Isaac from the first Castlevania series. He is a major race and character swap, but he's extremely well written and still echos many ideas & themes of his original form, while at the same time heavily countering other aspects. Additionally the writers passed up several political points they could have made and instead chose to write his past fitting the lore and reality he was in. Yes he was a slave, but not in the contemporary western sense; his history was clearly just part of his character and not being used as a soapbox for the writers. (For contrast reference whatever that french girl's name is from Castlevania Nocturne) In short, basically no-one dislikes race swaps *_because_* its a race swap, they don't like them because, generally speaking, they're done for idealogical/political reasons that either directly fuck over the story or don't technically directly contradict it, but are still clearly being used by the writers to make an out-of-universe point, and when the audience feels the hand of the writer it does still compromise the experience. ( *_especially_* when that hand is punching them in the face ) So, when Amber was race swapped, explicitly called 4th wave feminist IIRC, is looking for a gender studies degree, has 'political activist' as a major character trait, *_AND_* the writers decided to make her a strong independent whamen who don't need no Invincible and can save lives all on her own thank you *_very_* much, it paints a fairly clear picture. Again, as Isaac proved the fans don't care if you change a character and it's good, but yes, if you change aspects of the story or characters and make them much worse people are going to ask "why the fuck did you change this?". A lot of people want to just write off race swaps entirely because they see those complaints a racist and don't want to be a racist, but just because you're colorblind you don't go to a minstrel show. *_Other people_* may still factor race into their worldview and, particularly for Amber, that does seem to be part of what happened. If some random new-baddie-from-an-old-group-in-germany (blame youtube) made a movie adaptation of Crysis and cast Lawrence Barnes as a white guy I'd be equally hesitant. Just the same if the actor managed to play the character extremely well, they were well written, the story seems to stand on it's own, etc. it'd all be fine. However, if I then noticed certain odd consistencies with how he was being rewritten, now I'm learning that the writers intentionally changed his character for their own idealogical reasons, and yeah, I'm gonna be a bit miffed. I like his character and the story he's in and if I learn you let your own biases and shitty political takes get in the way of a good adaptation of him and that story it'd be entirely fair to complain. You had something great to work with and could have just ctrl-c ctrl-v-ed it, but you *_chose_* to rewrite it and make it worse. Fuck 'faithful' give me good, is the adaptation good? If you can't edit the adaptation to be better, don't edit it, be faithful. (Assuming the original was good that is) There are a few edge cases where a faithful adaptation miiiight not work due to differences in medium, but even then it'll likely have *_some_* merit still. But, generally speaking, you ain't going to Starship-Troppers-it and make a good movie while actively misunderstanding and trying to write over the original. (The director did not even remotely understand the book and tried to make it a parody of fashizm, buuuut the book was like *_ultra_* libertarian with a straight up fantasy level of government transparency and accountability because it was written quickly as more of a "

all throughout season 2 whenever they tried to show amber is good, it felt so obvious and forced, and i kept hearing the line from season 1 in my head "fly away flyboy"

I believe Amber was written to be so polorizing in order for their relationship to act as a foil to Mark's parent's relationship. Parents longtime loving relationship/Mark's inexperienced and short term relationship Debi knowing Nolan is an Alien superhero/Amber unaware of Mark's status at first Amber/Mark's relationship (along with eve/Rex) exemplifies how tight to bond and the great relationship Nolan and Debie have. This allows Nolan's decisions and the moments up to him leaving seem so much more heartbreaking. In addition, this also allows for a first reason for Mark to have to break away from Amber later.

I agree with a fair bit of your points, but, your definition of an ultimatum is a little off. What you described is a boundary which is healthy, an ultimatum is when you allow a behavior for a while then snap change and use the threat of leaving to force your partner to do something or change something.

Having raised a teenage daughter, having immature and conflicting emotions and actions is par for the course. Irrationality is a normal part of life for all teenagers.

Great video

"Let me reiterate, 17 year olds are stupid." Truer words have never been spoken. I know. I was 17 once! It was a lifetime ago, but I remember it.

I hate Season 1 Amber for the reasons you stated. I feel bad for season 2 Amber.

7:42 Ultimatums and boundaries aren't the same thing.

It's interesting to look at S1 from Amber's perspective. -She is a "strong independent woman who don't need no man" and so is very reserved with her time and energy in a relationship. -She meets Mark after a confrontation with a bully, enamoring her with his innate heroism. -She grows fond of him as a sweet and gentle guy who seems to care deeply for her. -She becomes increasingly aggravated at his lateness (which a lot of people can view as a red flag, if not just outright rudeness) and broken promises. -Upon apparently figuring out he is Invincible, grows to resent the fact that he doesn't seem to want to trust her with this information. -After being "abandoned" in peril, her resentment comes to a head and decides to just end everything as she doesn't want to be in a relationship filled with lies, regardless of whether she is owed the truth or not. -Upon the "reveal" of Mark's true identity, she doubles down and rejects him, probably in order to save face. -It's then revealed Mark's dad is a psycho and almost kills him, leading her to drop her own reservations and instead be there for someone she deep down does still care for. By S2 we see an Amber that is full of regrets for her actions, and yet still can't wrestle with the "Superhero's girlfriend" life. In the comics Amber does "figure it out" but isn't sure, and so when she does learn the truth, it's a grand redemption of the relationship. Up to the point that they mutually agree that this life isn't what either of them want for each other.

I didn't realize that Amber did that fell for him after talking to Amber and beating up the bully

I think if they changed the time-frame from when she figured out mark was a Super-hero it would have been understandable, instead of a few weeks it should have maybe been a day or two.

Literally if the show didn’t want to show how smart amber was by figuring out he was a super hero she would have been fine. But her knowing for weeks recontextulizes things to be really really nasty.

>knew mark was a superhero for 3 weeks >complains about where mark was when she literally saw a superhero helping

The scene in Mark’s room completely contradicts your first point about why she became interested in him

this video lowkey made me hate invincible as a show 😂 definitely a good ass video doe need pt 2

I liked Amber. She was a kind hearted person. At first she was too harsh with Mark, then she became more understanding of his duties but overall her problem was Mark was a superhero and their relationship was never going to last because of all the problems that would cause for them. I hope they remain friends. They at least seemed to end it being on good terms. They both matured as characters.

The comic version of amber was way hotter and more likeable.

Before watching: they over did it in S1 then tried to course correct for S2 but in doing so they over corrected... Now, I just want her gone (mostly due to the fact they canonically break up around this time).

Nah nah nah there’s no way we’re just gonna gloss over the fact that she compared Mark lying to her about being a superhero to Nolan revealing his true reason for coming to Earth, calling his own wife a pet and worthless to his sons face, proceeding to beat his son near death, and killing thousands of people doing so, INCLUDING using mark as a fucking body shield to make a train derail and kill a whole bunch of people just to prove a point.