Lemmy wore Nazi memorabilia regularly simply because he liked it from a fashion sense. Lemmy was also a well read man who despised Nazis. Collecting Nazi memorabilia does not necessarily make one a Nazi.
Where did you hear Lemmy say he does not despise Nazi's? He hated every leader in WWII...and rightfully so in my book. The black girlfriend line is was his defense when he was accused of being a Nazi due to what he wore.
Ron Ashton (The Stooges) was the same way. He collected nazi memorabilia with his father as it was a common bond they had. He claims that it had nothing to do with politics and it was just a fascination they both had.
Joey wrote that bc he ended up in an asylum and he met a black girl there, who he got really close to. One day she just wasn't there and he flipped, eventually writing the song.
Something about this feels really wrong. I mean Johnny wasn't even around to defend himself against these accusations, so why even discuss something like this? I mean, other than Marky's words, there's absolutely no evidence that he ever ate sardines in the van. 🤷🏻
It is wrong, but these are the times we live in, where if Johnny were to make one racial comment directed at one person, then suddenly that means his hatred is directed at an entire group of people!. I'm guessing he didn't have issues with Jews as both Joey and Tommy were Jewish and Tommy's parents were both holocaust survivors and even after leaving the band, Tommy continued his friendship with his fellow Ramones and continued producing their albums!. This is merely one video and one man's commentary and since Johnny is not here to defend himself, it's one-sided!..
It's not only wrong, it's lame. super lame. and cringe. In fact, what I'm about to say might be wrong too, but: I'm glad Johnny isn't around in this day and age to see how irritating, cringy and lame the post-Ramones world is. Full of try-hard social climbers and hysteria seekers who think shouting "racist" at others immediately alleviates them from any wrongdoing. They're typically just people overcompensating to hide their own problematic pasts.
Keep enjoying the Ramones' music like always, if you always did before. If you are a fan, you are a fan. That's our role in this. Fans. We love the music. Personal beliefs of band members and political leanings of band members are just history now, ironically.
Well, Eddie Vedder was one of Johnny's closest friends, and I don't think Eddie would have been if Johnny was as racist or cruel as he is made out to be, as I don't think he is the kind of person who would tolerate that sort of thing.
Johnny was also friends with Joe Strummer, on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Johnny Ramone was a very strange person, admirer of both Hitler and Charles Manson but also a Disney and a Baseball fan; racist to the bone, a woman beater, a former juvenile delinquent who claimed for televised public executions for thieves; and an Elvis fan who alleged that blues wasn't all that important in the development of rock 'n' roll (?). He was also a proud bully who bragged about having beat Malcolm McLaren just because he didn't like him talking to his girlfriend, among other things.
It is dumb how Marky is still trying to look how he did in 1980. It’s like if Paul McCartney was still walking around with that Beatle haircut and Beatle Boots in 2024.
I think Marky was trying to be calm and avoid the question for many reasons. Johnny was a far-right republican and Reagan fan. It's hard to say whether he was some abject racist, but regardless people need to stop shitting on Marky. He was simply holding his tongue there. What we know for sure was that Joey was your run-of-the-mill hippie liberal while Johnny was mister big-time conservative.
@MemphoWrasslin1 Yep. The interviewer was trying to get a headline, trying to sensationalize what was actually said. I read Marky's book. There was nothing sensationalist in the book. It was a well written, enjoyable to read, book. That Johnny ate the tuna in the van was just a funny anecdote. That Johnny didn't get along with Joey was well known information before the book came out.
Original comment in this thread is spot on. And to counteract another comment I'd rather live in a world full of Jeff Hymans than John Cummings. But I love both as a Ramones fan.
I'm 6 years late, but I just got this in my feed today. You don't know the meanings of the words you're using and I can almost guarantee that you're the type of person who paints with a broad brush. You said he was a "Far right republican Reagan fan." Anyone truly on the right does not identify as a Republican, and wouldn't consider themselves a big Reagan fan. I have a feeling that, to you, being a Republican puts you on the far right, and that "far" right is the only type of "right" you think exists. I'm pretty far right, many of my friends are too, and I can legitimately say that none of us are racists or fascists. And definitely don't consider ourselves Republicans.
It's been said before by people that really knew him. Part of it was real and part of it was an act. Like the fact the Johnny carried a KKK member card in his wallet. Which is a fact. I saw Johnny kick the shit out a young girl at a show because she reached up and touched his guitar while he was playing. I was standing right behind her. He kicked hard in the head 3 times and then motioned to security and had her and her boyfriend thrown out of the show. It was a really shocking thing to witness and I've seen a lot of fucked up things happen at concerts. Happened at the Brooklyn Zoo in the early to mid 80's. It was totally uncalled for. I felt so bad for that girl.
Well, Marky's not the only one who says Johnny was a racist. Not only that, he was a bigot, and an woman beater too. Even if in his autobiography, he seems to be proud of being a bully, first a juvenile delinquent and later an angry boy who beat people for very stupid reasons.
@@ignaciocordovadonoso8662 I wasn't in the band and didn't have access to him 24/7/365... So, i can only take these rumors/stories/allegations with a grain of salt...
@@ignaciocordovadonoso8662 liberals such as kurt Cobain support woman bashing men abortion drug use and abandoning your children but that's ok I guess because the media programs young people to be nazi liberals
The music was the greatness. People are flawed. People are people. The music stands still today. The music is what fans are concerned more with, or at least that is the important part to me.
After reading many of the comments, it would appear that many people believe a liberal can't be racist, only conservatives. Regardless, The Ramones were awesome and so was the music. That's why I loved them, not because politics or social nonsense. Wahi' Valleys
I recently watched a video where Johnny was signing autographs...one after the other after the other, he seemed like a pretty reasonable guy, he didn't have to do that, lots of people who knew him personally liked him. This interviewer is just digging & digging trying to get a shocking answer, the big scoop to build a narrative & defame somebody he probably never knew...bad press...leave Johnny alone.
@@Gurra88 Ha...good one! "Karen"....how clever. Yes I am well aware entertainers change their names....like one of my favorites Alex Lifeson, for example. Thanks for the heads up. : /
@@stedmangg No it's fine. It was more of a comment on do people actually tell the real truth in situations like this. Who's to say? I must admit one of my faves is...Alex Lifeson. But I can;t blame him TOO much, his real name is a mouthful! And it's wasn;t part of the band schtick either. But...all good Ramones rock.
I'm not defending anybody but being just a few years younger than the Ramones, I can tell you growing up in the 60s and 70s as a white kid you were very much surrounded by prejudiced thinking and language towards most minorities. Particularly in a lower middle class setting probably. But it was pretty much all just talk, and certainly as the times wore on began to fade (as they are still fading). I'm sure in the black community there was a lot of salty racial stereotyping. I think it's all sad and wrong, but in these days of painting with the broadest brush possible it may be helpful to add some context and reality.
Let's not forget that they all grew up while leaded gasoline was still a gigantic and widespread thing, and they were in NYC of all places, which had some of the worst air pollution in the country. All that leaded gas exhaust was an anti-brain food, so it had to mess with them in some way. Might be part of why Joey's OCD was so bad, but that's just poor speculation on my part.
These days I don't believe people like Mark and Johnny would be able to work together because of today's political climate there would be a lot of infighting verbally and physically words like nazi and snowflake going back and forth and one or the other or both would leave the band
Marky waited till johnny was goid and dead before he started saying this shit. Zero integrity, and I live Marky Ramone. You did yourself no favors with this stuff, Mark.
They spoke crap about each other back in the days too Joey And Johnny hated each other from 1981 until joeys death in 2001 and marky and johnny hated each other The only members in the ramones that didnt have anything against Joey was Tommy and CJ the rest of the members picked on Joey
I'm no sherlock holmes, but just looking at markys body language and the way he talks like it really feels like he doesnt even believe in his own words like just bounces off what joey said Interviewer "Was Johnny a racist" " *stall* talks about sardines", Interviewer again asks the same question " err you know like joey said he was a facist... so you know it all goes together..." Yeah mate you nailed it
You're nearly there. He doesn't want to slander a man he loved; aka he doesn't want to tell the truth because today it isn't "kosher". He's defending a mate, though struggling to do it. Johnny was was a full time racist and proud of it
Johnny had a large collection of Reggae lps, one of his favorite was Marley and he even had a black bass player "Alan" in PIL ... I've seen black punk rockers in the 70s wearing nazi swastikas
Two different Johnnys buddy ... Punk was such a fun feeling wayyyy back when ... A LOT of offensive stuff was said and wore on shirts .... That was kind of part of it
He treated poor Joey like garbage but in the end Joey got the last laugh Joey was more popular than Johnny ever were and Johnny retired in 1998 while Joey had shows around in new york until 2000 and worked on a solo album plus he was worth around 5-6 million dollars at the time of his death
Marky basically says no but doesn't answer to sell his book. So not technically throwing Johnny under the bus but I completely blame the interviewer for trying so hard to paint Johnny like that.
Johnny used the hard r before and Marky spoke on that as well. He never ended up saying he was he just asserted how irritated it made him since he grew up in a family who preached that color didn't matter.
No you´re not a racist then...but saying ´the war was cool and it´s a punk thing´ is one of the most ignorant things I have read in a while. Huge disrespect for the people who actually experienced WW2, one of the most gruesome periods in our history. I know you don´t mean to be disrespectful, but please be more carefull with your words, not a ´cool´ thing to say.
Why’s he trying to pry and answer out of Marky as to wether or not Johnny was a racist? It’s pretty clear that he doesn’t want to disrespect his dead band mates. I wonder, if Joey and the others never died, would they have made up and played again?
It was like he was trying to sensationalize a tiny snippet from the book. The majority of the book was about the band, life, events that happened through the years, and a small portion was about day to day dealing with each other on tour, things any band goes through. Ask any band, they'll tell you about being cooped up with each other for hours and hours, day after day, just eventually are at each other's throats, until they learn to deal with each other and get through it. It's part of growing up. It's part of anyone's life to learn to deal with different personalities. And yes, tuna fish will stink up a tight space like inside a van, lol. They toured in vans back then.
This video is laughable. I would be hesitant to take anything he's saying with even a grain of salt since it's pretty widely known that Marky and Johnny despised each other.
He wanted that answer..just say Mark please,say it..come on say it..find me an entertainer that hasn't said something stupid on the road..i will be here waiting.
Did he say that Johnny collected nazi memorabilia? I don't think he did. The booked nentioned that he collected autographs and while in Germany he thought the coolest autograph to get there was the Furher's.
Here's A breakdown... Johnny was a Staunch Conservative with a dark sense of Humor. Joey was a Hardcore Liberal...... And Conservative's LOVE to get Liberals in a Panic. It makes their Day. And i think, especially after the problem with Linda transpired, that Johnny REALLY became a Fascist in Joey's eyes. Joey wrote THE KKK TOOK MY BABY AWAY.... even poor Monte Melnick has said on record..."read the lyrics, listen to the song...". ( Johnny was also reputed to carry a KKK membership card in his wallet, but i think it was just something to freak people out with, though if so... It's a pretty lame way to do so.) What Marky doesn't seem to answer is the direct question... Did Johnny collect Nazi stuff? Johnny doesn't seem the type, as he was more interested in Horror movie posters and baseball cards. I honestly think Racism was MAYBE there, but not something he dwelled on too Seriously. The person who DID collect Nazi stuff WAS Dee Dee. He grew up in Germany and has said on record that that was just something kids did back in the days when you could scour areas of battle and find and trade things. But i don't think that this made Dee Dee a racist. Dee Dee's Major concern was getting through a full day of being Dee Dee. At the end of the day? I think the Fascist card was just something played out between Joey and Johnny for WHATEVER reason only known to them. I think Johnny viewed a Black RAMONES Fan no different than a Latino Fan ...or a Jewish Fan ...or an Asian Fan ...or a White Fan. A RAMONES Fan is a RAMONES Fan. .....unless you were a Commie. ( ...he Hated Commies !!! 😆)
This is probably the closest to the truth. Marky will hem and haw around it, trying to sell his shitty book. Johnny isn't with us anymore, so he can't respond. I cannot fathom Johnny being a racist, but I bet he liked to say and do things to raise eyebrows for fun.
@@gretashapiro4118 comunist is not a race, your comment makes no sense. Johnny would never get along with tom morello, the biggest commie in business along with Roger waters
Right, but as it turns out was not written about Johnny. I can see how you could see the lyrics that way, but otherwise it’s apparently a mistake by monte. Johnny is famously a huge dickhead. I don’t think he was out to get Joeys goat as much as it annoyed him that Joey was into what he was. they relied on each other for their living and I assume the animosity has way more to do with Johnny marrying Linda than anything else. But being prejudiced isn’t really surprising or something that needs defending. He lived unapologetically, and we don’t need to apologize or make excuses for it. He just was what he was.
Lots of people collect military memorabilia... Joey was a big lib and Johnny was a conservative.. Marky blocked my Instagram after years of chat that even included personal texts because I slipped up and accidentally called him a rock star ! It was jokes ! Marky is a bit thin skinned. Dee Dee was my favorite Ramone. Period. Douglas Colvin was my punk rock spirit animal. I grew up in the Midwest and I saw the Ramones 27 times before Dee Dee left the band.
He does in his book talk about that. He talks about it quite a bit, actually. I enjoyed the book. It was well rounded and not the least bit sensationalized, like this snippet of interview in the video here.
Stiff Richard I totally don’t believe he’s racist but I call out people like Michael Jackson for being a molester it’s not a really good argument Yknow if someone’s dead and they got dirt they still got dirt
I think even the idea of doing that would be ridiculous and I'm a liberal to the core. We don't all agree on every single thing. Even people within political parties don't agree.
August 30, 2016 In a world filled with perfect people, everyone would get along. But we dont live in such a world (at the current moment), and people are not perfect and all have prejudices. Its human nature to discriminate in general (ie types of people or things, that one likes or doesnt like). So what if Johnny was a "racist", murder and theft are worse behaviors than racial slurs or "racist" thinking-- yet in todays world many are far more shocked by differing views and opinions, than by theft or murder. I dont agree with everything that Johnny believed, but I actually admire the fact that he was "politically incorrect" (so few are in today's world). And it actually makes me like Johnny even more. DG
Both Dee Dee and Johnny had their political views on certain matters and you see the uncomfortably of Mark's views but it shouldn't be taken away at any case in terms of their music and legacy. Joey was the left Johnny was the right But those were of different times. Let's not go "sensitive" on this....
I usually hate it when someone says that about not being sensitive about things, but you do have a point in this case. It was what it was. They still made great music and from most of the songs, the left won out lyrically most of the time, even if some songs went the other way too. It gave us the great music we have now, even if Johnny was a Republican. He definitely WAS a Republican. He made no bones about that, said it himself. So, the other stuff often does come with the territory politically.
Don't believe everything Mark says. He talked shit about everyone. I heard first hand the shit he said about the other guys. After they retired, I met him and asked him to sign my jacket. CJ had already signed it. And Mark told me I shouldn't have CJ on my jacket because he wasn't a Ramone. At another time, me and a friend of mine were talking to him about what all the other Ramones were up to. He said Joey is just getting fat and can't sing any more. He just doesn't have good things to say about anyone. He just wants to build himself up. Even talked shit about Jerry Only and the MIsfits after he played with them. I'm a big Ramones fan but that shit just sucks. By the way, CJ and Richie are cool as shit.
I would have to cite the first amendment on this subject. He was entitled to think or believe what he wanted to. I still at 42 cannot fathom how some Americans are fine with free speech and uphold it staunchly. As long as it's their free speech.
@MemphoWrasslin1 how are we supposed to make up for racism? Letting blacks openly discriminate against whites? Is there a meter he have to fill? The answer is to stop. Stop all of it. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I knew JC very well...I attended his wedding...he was a good American...and a fair but hard band leader....yes JC was the leader and without him the band wouldn't have been successful...his views on worldly matters were his and his alone...live and let live...douche...
I think the most interesting thing about The Ramones is that although they inspired so many of The British punk bands in 1976 they themselves wanted what they perceived to be the exposure and success of The Bay City Rollers in 1976 Fact... They used to complain to their management about not getting this...
Jay Bird both sides are guilty of thinking their feelings matter more than facts. I will say that I have seen it be much more prevalent with the progressive liberals these days.
The biggest question here is why Marky still insists on wearing a wig, wheras CJ has embraced baldness lol. That being said, at least his is more convincing than the one Gary Numan wears
The real racist are the interviewer's, that's all they want to talk about, they are the one's who want to keep racism alive and make it the number one topic about anything, it's very annoying.
He’s trying to be nice here.. but if you came up in that time- you had family older than you that were racists. You had friends who were racists. YOU might even have been racist.
Nah, fuck you. Big fan of them all, despite their beliefs, because to me, it's about the music. Yet, they were all getting along, a band, I doubt that was his intention at all. Marky told it how it was. This was common knowledge among fans even before the book, and before this interview. Johnny was a racist sack of shit with good music. Leave it there.
I seriously doubt you've fucked anything in your life other than yourself, assuming you even still possess the equipment given what everyone knows about Antifa and those sympathetic to them.
Joey was right on what he said !! "People drift towards liberalism at a young age, and I always hope they change when they see how the world really is."
he clearly doesn't want to hand over his bandmate in this interview, but why this resistance from the fans and this benefit of the doubt with someone who has always been attached to conservative values?
collecting nazi memorabilia doesnt make you a racist, they are part of history and i can understan someone wanting to own some of it but him espousing racist slurs would make him a racist, but hey nobody is perfect right?
Another person who thinks for himself is censored. That happens frequently in our world today. When it happens it’s actually a compliment because it confirms my suspicions about many folks who think they’re in the know. By you not liking my input lets me know I’m doing something right. Unfortunately there aren’t enough of us to make a difference.
honestly johnny was stubborn i'll give the haters that otherwise he's my favorite ramone after Dee Dee..if anything he played up his conservative beliefs to say F you i'm not conforming by being the liberal you want me to be. ramones were idolized by so many people and with that always comes stupid PC haters.
MemphoWrasslin1 it wasn't that they wanted to give a finger to the establishment that they were sick of that they voted for that dumb ass despite knowing how deplorable he was in the hope that he would at least help them economically. now they know they were conned
@MemphoWrasslin1 oh please. i voted for obama both times and voted for trump both times. i think it's an incredibly small amount of people mad about a black president. he just wasnt a good president no matter how much the media tries to pretend otherwise
@MemphoWrasslin1 for sure there is definitely racism and will always be some, but like you said i think it's exaggerated a lot. people care about the economy and policies. im persian. and i know the iranian community mostly voted obama. we didnt like his iran deal at all or handling of iran. so many of us switched. and then we certainly didnt like the sympathizing over the soleimani killing by dems
