Was the DC-3 a better Glider than a ... Glider?

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Did you know they took the engines off a DC-3 and it became a better glider than the proposed built ones at the time? The Douglas XCG-17 was one heck of a prototype that caused a life long Urban Legend.
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The XCG-17 Glider by Charles L. Day
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Complete list of XCG (1941-1955)
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XCG-17 Wiki
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Davis, Larry (1995). C-47 "Skytrain in Action"
Day, Charles L. (2001). "The XCG-17 Glider" (PDF)
Mrazek, James E. "Fighting Gliders of World War 2"
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@etangdescygnes 4 года назад

As an aeronautical engineer I am really surprised that the C47 could be converted into a good glider, even if the Wright brothers launched aviation by designing a wonderful glider that they modified to make the first aeroplane! However, the figures prove the point: relative to contemporary gliders the XCG-17 was an excellent glider! I'll be damned if I haven't learnt a fascinating lesson! Thank you, Mr. McBryan!

@MikeyMcBryan 4 года назад

Thank you!!

@joshwithe7468 4 года назад

The C-123 started life as a WWII glider, then went on to have a career with engines, it could have had turboprop or jet success if the manufacturer hadn't been crooked

@team2001 4 года назад

Is it possible to up scale the dc-3 to make it a competitive aircraft since it was so popular when it was produced in large scales? It would be fun to scale it up to a 5 times larger aircraft with upgraded power and all the modern cockpit equipment to see the performance. An obstacle would be tilting fuselage when it is on the ground though.

@williamswenson5315 4 года назад

@Les Brown You and three hundred of your closest friends.

@BillPalmer 4 года назад

I would have expected CG issues when the weight of the engines is removed from foreword of the CG

@duncandmcgrath6290 4 года назад

Next up , the DC-3 also used as an ..... - Excavator - Sandwich shop - Greenhouse - Culvert

@badguy1481 4 года назад

How about water craft? One of the few aircraft that can ditch at sea...and stay afloat!

@budsbustbi6339 4 года назад

so you have not been to the congo?? it has and still used in most those jobs there!

@75yomu 4 года назад

Or can be used as a *fuck chamber*

@VanWinger 4 года назад

Campsite, Liquor Cabinet, and Stash courtesy of Romancing the Stone

@ahmetahmet7323 3 года назад

there is a dc3 used as sandwich bar and a restaurant

@tyson31415 4 года назад

"Like all good things, It was last seen in Mexico in the '80's" That made my whole day!

@joelblechman5069 4 года назад

Love these deep dives into the history of the DC-3. Thanks Mikey!

@jamesfieweger8648 4 года назад

The XCG-16 was based on the work of Vincent J. Burnelli. His ideas and designs were well ahead of their time and I consider myself lucky to be one of the caretakers of the only Burnelli designed aircraft to exist today. Thanks for the awesome video Mikey. Keep up the great work that you do.

@1919champ 4 года назад

Seeing the parted out A-380, while sad, only reinforces the fact that long after all the 380s are turned into beer cans, the DC-3 will still be flying somewhere. Ya gotta love it!

@brianking81 4 года назад

So cool. I never knew this before but it makes total sense. They were trying to do the best they could with what was available to them. 👍

@ronpurcell9984 4 года назад

Nice Mikey, had no idea about making gliders out of perfectly good airplanes. Tearing the engines out of a DC-3 proves war is hell.

@Squirel 4 года назад

I remember with fondness, my flying on DC-3's here in New Zealand when I was younger. I now fly those same routes in my own DC-3 on my flight simulator. But they have such a varied and vital history, which is why I enjoy this channel so much. The magic thing of course, is that they are still making history. :)

@reivertomwilson4959 4 года назад

My Dad was towed by one in the 82nd AB, 325th Glider Inf. in WW2. One of his long time friends in our little town was shot down in one as a glider towing crew over Europe and was a POW for the rest of the war.

@RoadRunnerLaser 4 года назад

There’s an old adage that the only replacement for a DC-3 is another DC-3.

@RemyRAD 4 года назад

I really enjoyed this video. About the in-depth history of the DC-3. And it's gliding derivation. And you are a lovely host! It sounds like you've done your homework. And such a charming presentation and excitement of the history of the DC-3. So let me offer you up this bonus piece of trivia. Regarding the DC-3, history. My mother's eldest of her 2 brothers, Billy. He was an incredible automotive mechanic.. As the family owned a Texaco gas station in downtown Hollywood California. Where you can't have, bad mechanics. Unfortunately my uncle Bill was 4F. For the World War II effort in the military. So he told their father. He was going to leave the Texaco station and move east. Like, Washington DC. To see what he could do for the effort. He got this cool job as a mechanic. He was chief mechanic. Working on a DC-3. For this guy by the name of, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Before it was called Air Force One. Because we didn't have an Air Force except in the Army. And my uncle was the first chief mechanic. For the first airplane. For the President of the United States. In history. That's how important and significant and still to this day. The history of the DC-3. My only question. What airplane manufacturer made the, fighter plane for the, Covid-19 war? I'm sorry. I am not quite as edgemucated as you are. RemyRAD

@gbro8822 4 года назад

Outstanding. Mr. McBryan thank you, your videos are awesome. My Dad was in WW2 in the Navy in the south Pacific. I found out at his funeral he received 4 bronze stars and I don't have any idea how . My Dad would never talk about the war, the only thing he would say is he loved New Zealand. I know veterans day is Nov 11th. but here in Indiana we honor Veterans everyday. Thank you, Greg

@saabysaabinsky2785 4 года назад

You really produce some nice videos....very watchable! Thank you for another history lesson on this great airplane. Had no idea it performed as a glider! Amazing. Good job!

@cbshomebizplane 4 года назад

Great history Mikey love this video, God bless you all and can't wait to see the next one.

@garymcaleer6112 2 года назад

Great post, Mickey. Growing up in the late 50's & 60's, DC-3's were very common. Aesthetically, it's a beautiful plane.

@stuartdrinnan8218 4 года назад

In the middle 1960`s, I flew from Exeter airport Devon, to Filton airport Bristol, to see the Concordes being built. All remaining Concordes , are now museum exhibits. The DC-3 i flew in, to get there is still flying !!!

@Alucard-gt1zf 4 года назад

That's not because the concords were unreliable though, it's simply because they are extremely expensive to fly

@markdavis2475 4 года назад

Mikey, another great episode, thanks! Your production quality is outstanding! The episode really "flows" nicely, making it informative and very watchable!

@grumpyoldfart1945 4 года назад

Wow! I never knew the DC-3 was a glider! Thanks for another great video.

@richardwillett 4 года назад

How about a history on the B-18 Bolo and B-23 Dragon bombers ! The bombers that came from the DC-2 and DC-3!

@stephencummins7589 11 месяцев назад

The research you do Mickey is insane man.

@bastarddoggy 4 года назад

Your enthusiasm is awesome. I look forward to every video.

@ninobenjamin9020 2 года назад

All that makes the DC3 one of the most perfect aircrafts ever, nice one

@KennethStringer1985 4 года назад

Fascinating, love your videos and narrative style, aviation and history, two of my favorite topics combined into one, Thank You 😊👍😊

@andyowens5494 4 года назад

Now theres a man know knows and loves his planes. Fascinating, thanks. (Not surprise it didnt take off as a glider though - just leave the engines on and “fly the damn plane” :).)

@roberthayes5037 4 года назад

Outstanding Mikey 👍 really enjoy these historic videos 👍

@xistsixt 4 года назад

Love your channel and the passion for this plane. If I would live in the northern American continent I probably rang on the doorbell of you years ago... Your passion is addictive. 😎

@pilot3016 4 года назад

As s Sailplane pilot.. I am getting a chuckle out of this.

@arvincook5049 4 года назад

Ya me to. Really 14 to 1 L/D My hang glider was almost as good as that and the 1-26 Schweitzer I flaw was way over that how about min sink? No info this guy needs to do some research

@richvalenzi6232 4 года назад

Most interesting thing I have seen on RU-vid in quite a while. Well done!

@PPGGORILLA 4 года назад

Wow, that's a cool history lesson! It's amazing that the Iconic C-130 actually started out as a glider. I have always loved DC-3 and C-47s

@tommydscott 4 года назад

Your research to make your videos is quite impressive, thank you very much!

@johnmoss8230 4 года назад

Hey awesome video Mike and just wanted to thank you for those livestreams you did during the lockdown I know alotta us plane savers fans enjoyed it. Hope to come see you guys soon I would love a tour through the Buffalo hanger. Great to see your well stay safe and thank you again I can't thank you enough your livestreams have helped me stay motivated towards my dream of becoming a pilot thanks be safe out there Mikey

@N911GT2 4 года назад

I'm so sad I've just found your channel just recently! I love your vids, and your voice makes a nice voiceover thanks!

@altamiradorable 4 года назад

In all honesty, Mickey, you should "recycle" yourself into a film maker ! You have a great presentation, a great narrative voice and a very good sense of storytelling !! Keep them coming !! I support you all the way !

@nploates 4 года назад

Mikey, you make excellent well researched and enjoyable videos for which I thank you. Long live the DC3!

@calvarycustoms6681 4 года назад

I sure do love the C-47/DC-3’s! Lee County Florida used to have about a dozen of them, used for mosquito spraying. They’d fly 2- or 3 at a time in formation, floating slow-n-low just above the trees. Whenever you’d hear the rumble of those engines approaching, it was hard not to stop what you were doing and watch those birds glide by. 😍

@demandred1957 4 года назад

I find it amazing that these old birds are still flying.. But then again, my electric service pole is the original from 1941 when they electrified the midwest...

@biponacci 4 года назад

Hands up best aviation channel. Greetings from NZ; home to your brothers and sisters at Air Chathams.

@ForFunFlyer 4 года назад

Excellent video again, Mikey! 👌🏻 I love these documentary style episodes! Well done! 👍🏻

@crazybrit-nasafan 4 года назад

Have heard this before. Aeroplane Monthly did an article on it many years ago. Great video Mikey. I did learn more about it. My Grandad flew on gliders during WW2 including the Pegasus bridge mission.

@markthompson4885 4 года назад

One of my uncles was in the 11th airborne glider quified . But after several training missions. Said that was not for him! So he volunteered to be paratrooper. And jump instead of land with the gliders. I join the 82nd airborne with his encouragement.

@etangdescygnes 4 года назад

Wow, Operation Deadstick! I've read all about it, and it's an amazing action! What exactly did your grandfather do? I hope you asked him to tell you everything he could remember, and recorded it or wrote it down! There are only a handful of first hand accounts. The glider landings and attacks are legendary, and the way the men held out at the bridges over the Orne and the Caen Canal is staggering, especially because they could not bring heavy weapons with them!

@crazybrit-nasafan 4 года назад

@@etangdescygnes Grandad Wilson hardly ever spoke of the war. The only time he mentioned the raid was that they were pinned down by what he thought may have been a Tiger tank, that was taken out be a rocket. He did not say if it was an anti tank PIAT or from a Typhoon. The only other time I remember him speak of his service was when he told me what it felt like to sneak up behind a German sentry, he put the garrotte wire around his neck whilst another soldier grabbed his gun. He told me what it was like feeling the life slip from that man who he never knew but had killed. Needless to say I did not try to join the Army. That was his intention, to put me off joining up. Just remembered two other times he told me of his service. One was being busted for fishing whilst on duty, using a hand Grenade and a row boat. The other he got the hatless interview with the CO was for knocking an officer out on the parade ground.

@olspanner 4 года назад

You're certainly not biased Mikey, just stating a fact about one of the finest aircraft ever made! Very interesting video, as usual. Many thanks.

@JohnHoranzy 4 года назад

Excellent Presentation, thank you!

@acward2007 4 года назад

Many thanks for that Mikey. I never knew they were ever used as gliders although I do remember seeing clips of gliders used in WW2 for the Normandy D Day landings in Europe. Love that you mentioned one of your DC3s from bought from the RAF, you guys really do seem to have a connection with us Brits and it feels good - I always value our Canadian cousins! Warm regards to all.

@rogerlafrance6355 4 года назад

Another DC-3 variant had turbocharged b-17 engines to fly the hump. They were removed soon after due to added maintenance. Another glider conversion was the J3 Cub, engine removed, nose cone added and flown from the front seat solo.

@mischef18 4 года назад

Excellent bit of information you have tracked down there bro it sure is a remarkable plane. All the best and stay safe up your way

@barrywhitley2535 4 года назад

Very informative video. Thanks Mikey.

@dibaldgyfm9933 4 года назад

Somehow you get engineering down to earth - THANK you for doing just that! ☻

@andyrichardsvideovlogs8835 4 года назад

Way cool. Fascinating flight along the history path. One wonders how many more of these little nuggets of gold you have in the cupboard to share with us. 👌

@barrygonder8608 4 года назад

Great video to put together in a few days. Thanks Mickey

@falconinflight6235 4 года назад

Excellent Presentation

@auzzieworker5183 4 года назад

There's no end to the surprises. Awesome video Mikey..:)

@pj61114 4 года назад

Thank you for more information on the DC3. Very Good!

@umvhu 4 года назад

Thank you Mikey - Fasinating episode

@errantbrand1641 4 года назад

Interesting video. Good format for you.

@Richard-po6fl 4 года назад

Mikey. Good to see you. Used to watch the show.

@badguy1481 4 года назад

I flew the C-47 in the USAF. As I remember the glide ratio for the fully configured C-47 was between 20:1 and 26:1. I even had a small test of that glide ratio when both engines experienced Carburetor icing and shut down.

@kurtb2522 4 года назад

Thank you, Mikey! I learn from you. All the best from Colorado Kurt

@gregmaggielipscomb9246 4 года назад

T/Y for this fun info- Stay Well...

@collinfraser1218 4 года назад

Outstanding research Mikey ! Thank you !👍🇨🇦

@mrgnr-smith387 4 года назад

Wind...enhancing the audio; it’s about gliders anyway, adds to the flavour Your videos are top notch Mikey, great editing and the visuals really help tell the story

@Will-Parr 4 года назад

Excellent reporting Mikey.

@MaskinJunior 4 года назад

This confirms my hunch, the DC3 air-frame is a good contender to be returned to production as a future electric short range aircraft. Like island hopping or carrying skydivers.

@williamswenson5315 4 года назад

For a transport category a/c with two engines, I rather jump from a twin Otter, a CASA 222 or a Shorts. For a static line jump, the DC-3/C-47 just has too much history to ignore. Another, would be the AN-2 (a big piston single).

@MaskinJunior 4 года назад

@@williamswenson5315 yes, but who owns the patterns? The DC3 frame may be running out to the public domain just because it is quite some time since the last was manufactured.

@flyingkub 4 года назад

Another cool history lesson on DC3/C47, never would have thought of it becoming a glider. More often it appears that glider designs turned into power aircraft like the ME321 with 6 engines added and turned into the ME323.

@gabrielbennett5162 4 года назад

My grandfather, Victor Horton and others at NASA towed the M2-F1 lifting body with a C-47 in the early 60s.

@warrenosborne1539 4 года назад

Cool stuff Mikey, thanx, I had no idea that the DC-3 was used as a glider. A couple years ago a DC-3 flew over our house, some retired Piedmont Airlines pilots restored it, and it was on it's way to the Museum, in Washington (DC). I heard the radials and knew that is was a war bird vintage, but I couldn't find my damn camera in time. Thanks for the great work. oz

@davidrivero7943 4 года назад

Sound overhead makes me always stop what im doing, look up as they come over house in Hialeah on their approach to Opa Locka Airport . Know diddly of them until i subbed & started watching you. They are such a besutiful bird. TY.

@koceilamehalaine6328 4 года назад

excellent content. excellent presentation, please make more videos,,,

@vincentremazeilles504 4 года назад

Very professional editing !

@michaelmitchell5380 4 года назад

The book "The Plane That Changed The World" covers this variant if I remember correctly. Great job on all your clips Mikey!

@TestECull 4 года назад

She's a pretty bird and a good flyer, why I want one in my RC fleet!

@aceroadholder2185 4 года назад

The C-123 has the distinction of being the only airplane that flew as a glider, reciprocating engined, recip and jet engines, turboprop powered, and full jet powered.

@tgmccoy1556 4 года назад

Tim McCoy here. Wife's account. I've had time in 4's6's and 7's. Love the DC-3. They will have one at Starfleet Academy working. Hauling Dilithium crystals.

@foamer443 4 года назад

Come on Tim, you know very well it will be fitted out as the test bed for the original warp drive which it's self will built like a brick .......

@RTD1947 4 года назад

Very cool!!! Enjoyed it!!

@psnpacific 4 года назад

Great video!

@jamesglenn2006 4 года назад

That was some real cool info Mikey 🍻👍

@ADSC2006 4 года назад

Excellent, learn something new everyday.

@bobr8808 4 года назад

I worked with a guy that flew B-25’s out of India and was heralded as the Burma Bomber on the cover of Life Magazine during WW II. He was a real aviator and told of catching the wave over the Rockies and pulling the power back to idle and soaring a C-47A for over 20 minutes. Add that to you Gooney Glider tale

@P-CROZIER 2 года назад

Loved this one ❤️👏👏

@shadowraith1 4 года назад

Interesting aviation history. I suspect unknown to most. Thanks👍🛩👍

@donmeyer1621 4 года назад

Still some snow on the hangar roof!! Thanks Mikey!!

@johnhines852 4 года назад

Jato bottle story. Twin Beeches had jato bottles in the nacelles, if you lost an engine close to the ground you could fire the bottle and get enough altitude to make a safe landing. Jato bottles had an expiration date and had to be replaced, so a maintenance outfit in Minneapolis would put the bottles on a steel plate on the back of a Massey Harris tractor, hold the brakes and fire the bottles. One day the brakes let go and the tractor went for a rocket ride across the airport. I don't know what the top speed of that tractor was supposed to be, but I'm sure it set a record!

@drdoolittle5724 4 года назад

A story told to me lately by a friend who has just passed away who flew Hurricanes in the Battle of Britain - 'after that battle I was sent to Shobden Airfield to train pilots who would be towing gliders. We used Westland Lysanders and one day, I was asked to tow a glider full of top brass civilians. Unfortunately, after glider release something went wrong and the glider made a poor landing, ripping its floor open. Nobody died but there were many serious feet/leg injuries!' RIP Flight Lieutenant Lewis Barham.

@nfcboys1984 4 года назад

What an incredible and interesting video! Newly subscribed!

@danb9612 4 года назад

Thanks for the info. Really interesting!

@erikziak1249 4 года назад

OK. Now we need a DC-3 converted to run on electricity. I guess that might happen...

@guard13007 4 года назад

I can see it and I can't wait for it to happen.

@williamswenson5315 4 года назад

If energy density storage continues to improve and the equivalent thrust vs wt. electric motors are available, why not?

@scottcampbell2836 4 года назад

Solar power. Then gas generator powered electric lmao

@nickhanlon9331 4 года назад

1-2 hours of flight is O.K. Good for acrobatics, trainers and short hops.

@TristanInBC 4 года назад

You have one of the best aviation RU-vid channels going! Thanks for the great content! Makes me reminisce of my short time in Yellowknife. Keep up the awesome work. Are you selling merchandise? Love to support the channel if I can. P.s. my first RU-vid comment ever!

@MikeyMcBryan 4 года назад

Thanks for sending your first comment our way!!! :)

@donalddodge1 4 года назад

A good one Mike. Interesting.

@chrisdilley266 4 года назад

Great video

@fetishartist137 4 года назад

Another reason why development probably stopped was gliders were a very risky form of military transport. I'll go so far to say the bravest pilots in WW2 flew gliders. It's like entering a soap box derby car in a demolition derby. Converting a DC3 would have been a significant upgrade from what was in the field. It was clear that more efficient ways to deliver cargo and troops were necessary to develop after WW2.

@brucelund5788 4 года назад

Good Job Mikey! very informative as usual, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK :{)

@nethanelmasters5170 4 года назад

Frist time i flew in a DC-3 i was 14 it was an Ozark air lines. I have two 1/48 scale models one as a C/47 and the other as an ozark air lines. Loved building them did both at the same time. Now to build the other 106 military aircraft models i have left already have 38 built.

@rtcapo1382 4 года назад

Great job! And cudos for acknowledging the Bowlus XCG-16! I am a huge Burnelli fan. The last remaining Burnelli where you can still see it in person (after this Covid 19 cloud lifts) is at NEAM. The CBY-3 was built by Canadian Car and Foundry. Thanks again. #BurnelliNerd

@raymorley8241 4 года назад

great video....thanks

@CaliforniaFly 4 года назад

The ATC controllers in Detroit used to keep us at altitude till the last minute for approach and really piss us off in 1986/87. We'd drop the gear and ask for vectors to make a slower descent to keep from supercooling the engines. Yes, it was a big powered glider.

@johnmcelwain5884 4 года назад

Wow, versatile plane. Thought the DC 3 Space Shuttle was ambitious from your other video. Open water glider is truly impressive.

@robertogomes3042 4 года назад

In my DC3 experience a couple of times had to fly with one engine for one hour and they were smooth and quite 95KIAS flights.

@hj45lp 4 года назад

Very cool and interesting as always! Thank you! - I had a hotel room with view of Tachikawa air base twice in the past few years when visiting nearby National Institute of Polar Research (NIPR)... 👍😎

@JohnWilliams-iw6oq 4 года назад

In Flight Sim it's a hard aircraft to land because it doesn't want to come down! I'm not surprised that the real thing is such a wonderful design.

@atlesamuelsen 4 года назад

Awsome Mikey! Pure awsome! What will the next supprice be? Dc3 with 4 radials?

@jasont.hansen3103 4 года назад

"Don't waste your time looking back son, you're not going that way anyways" ~ Wink-Wink Nod-Nod like a black and white fake-book memory, MY memory ... lol. Wait, What? Too much Mikey, love the dual-boom air-tank, GCX-16 was it. Ain't no G-21 but what is, what is ... Friggin NO OSHKOSH this year and yet last year had the unannounced time off, car, cash but no pass-port or plan and gosh-damn-darn-it ~ DTD ~ was there. A MAJOR attraction from what I heard. Keep the stellar videos coming good sir. Also, the long since ago painted oil painting, "Stuka the Dog" will be liberated soon. Stupid economy collapsing flu-bug