Was Tony Going To Kill Hesh? | The Sopranos Explained 

“I’ve known you since you weee a kid Tone. Frankly, you’ve got a problem with authority”

@@andrewmartin7697 Exactly.

If only Bobby had told Tony not to become a varsity athlete

Unless it’s Silvio.

Man that would get serious real fast hahaha

He didn't kill him because of how it would've looked.

I think he was looking for a reason that went beyond money.

I don't think so when bobby said to just not pay him back tony said how would it look if the boss of the family didn't pay his debts tony thought about not paying him back not about killing him

His Dad told him lots. Like never gamble.

Not just that, but when Junior became boss and taxed Hesh $200k of which Tony was handed $50k, Tony proceeded to immediately give Hesh back his portion and told him he didn’t want to profit off of him. It showed in the early seasons how much he respected Hesh and just how low Tony had sunk by season 6.

He hardly needed Tony though

I agree. 2-300 grand isn't life changing to either of these guys. In spite of his crazy spending, he could have paid it back later. He make it about the money at a time when Hesh was clearly suffering. It makes the point that these guys are in a social club, they are NOT emotionally intimate friends.

I always feel the need to make this point. How much did Tony save Hesh when Junior taxed him? Plus he GAVE him the $50k Junior whacked up amongst the captains. Didn’t ask for a thing in return.

I actually interpreted it the exact opposite. It seemed to me like he was realizing how petty he was being to a loyal associate and decent man on a personal level. Here's your money, one less thing to think about and I'm sorry for being a dick. Holler if ys need anything g

I disagree, Tony i think was trying to do the right thing and his line of sorry for your loss was really Tony saying sorry i borrowed money and was a bad friend about paying you back on time. Plus Tony knew Heshs love of black woman especially the woman he just loved and just lost. Tony was in the wrong and felt bad about it i think?

Hesh is a user and lowlife. The only reason he deals with people he considers beneath him like Tony and his old man is because he uses them as well

as he finally admitted to Melfi in therapy, "I hate this fuckin shit" with tears in his eyes. anything that threatens to unmask him and reveal the awful truth that his mother was right about him being a "bad son", causes him to shut down. he can't be one of those jerkoffs walking out of Melfi's office, and he can't take the "easy way out" like Gloria or his son. so all that his left to him is to play the role that in his mind, is the only thing he has left now. "It's mine!" if it's a cross to bear, Tony bears it instead of admitting to weakness.

Wait ... sociopaths don't feel empathy towards others except animals and babies? Shiiiiiiiiit I must be a sociopath.

@@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S. correction. sociopaths feel little to no empathy. Babies and Animals are not the exception.

@@wraynephew6838thats a psychopath. Sociopaths have similar traits but not quite all the way there.

he knows on some level, he sets up circumstances "in case" he has to do something. and waits until opportunity presents itself, and someone fucks up enough to justify him doing what he wanted to do anyway.

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Hey ask your friend over there the fly on the wall.

I was just about to post that

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What do you think is the main reason for Tony's rapid deterioration in the last season? Obviously there are a lot of things, but I can never pinpoint the most significant one.

I think the same way. Season 1 Tony would not even think about offing Hesh. In the beginning, Tony sees him as part of his crew even though he's Jewish because he's a good friend of his father, a valuable business ally, and a friend who isn't afraid to speak his mind to Tony. At season 6 though? His connection with his father brings up Tony's trauma, his business acumen brings up Tony's jealousy, and his outspokenness will hurt Tony's ego.

Hesh would've fucked his reputation

​@@HOTD108_ It's simple. All that gabagool

​@@HOTD108_ The biggest reason was probably Melfi. It takes her until the end of the series to realize that this whole time she was mostly just helping him become more of a guilt-less conman.

Walt Whitman over here

That last season was so bad though. Just boring and dragged on with not much going on outside of his feud with Phil

I don't think that was ever the writers intention. I was even surprised that in an interview with David Chase that he essentially said that there was never a moral decline as it pertains to the Tony character. And I would agree with Chase however towards the second half of the 6th season it sure seemed like there may have been a bit of a moral decline with Tony... especially this episode... then again the payote episode is right after this episode where Tony has a bit of an awakening, but for the most part Tony's character arc doesn't feel like much of an arc in terms of moral growth or decline, except for a brief time after he almost dies.

@@LibertyRapsher I see it more as a revelation than a decline. Chris' lament "where's my arc!" seems to actually translate to Tony, not to Chris. Tony was always the man who would smother his own nephew. There is no decline because there's no true arc, we simply have the opportunity to watch the mask slip off.

Honestly I always assumed the color palette changed to muted tones because the producers wanted to emulate movie aesthetics to highlight how "premium" Sopranos was as entertaiment, and because it was very en vogue in the 00s to use "gritty" color palettes in media.

I agree

Good points. I don't think Tony resented paying Hesh. If you think about it, Tony's father Johnny put him in the position to be successful in the first place along with having Mob ties and connections based off of his relationship with Johnny. Tony honored their relationship which was why he still allowed Hesh to be affiliated with his Jersey family. Tony was more disappointed if anything that Hesh pressed the issue of being repayed considering everything that Tony has done for Hesh. For example, When Junior taxed Hesh, Tony gave his share back to him saying to him that he wasn't going to tax him. When Massive G pressed Hesh for unpaid royalties, Tony and his crew were right there to serve as his muscle. Lastly, when Hesh's son in law got attacked by Phil's crew, who did Hesh call? Tony more than likely resented the fact that their relationship was reduced to money when Hesh started to inquire about repayment.

@@robertfranks665 Tony changed A LOT from S1 to the final season. If it was S1 Tony that may have been it, but this was S6 Tony, and he definitely 100% resented it. He may have rationalized his resentment by saying their relationship came down to money, but ultimately Tony did not like owing him

He was into Tony for that much. Remember when Junior taxed Hesh for 800K? Hesh convinced Junior to lower the tax, but he still had to pay Tony. When he paid Tony his share, he gave it back to Hesh saying that he wasn't going to tax him.

@@robertfranks665 Hesh was NEVER in any danger. Hesh has Mossad assassin to call in for help.

I think it was the chick in Mexico cine was referring to

​@@cygnustsp You mean the woman in California, but she wasn't Chrissy's fiance, and Tony never talked to Melfi about wanting to run away with her. Adrianna was the only one Tony vocalised wanting to "start over" with, but wanting Christophers women was definitely a running theme. There was also that scene where he pervs on Chrissy's wife breastfeeding in S6, and the whole thing about the real estate agent lady.

@@VitZ9 He didn't perv on Chrissy's wife, he actually stopped following the conversation when Kelly started breastfeeding and decided to go to Vegas immediately after. I think it reminded him of his mother and there was some realization that he became just like her, going to Vegas was him escaping the realization imo

Friendship and money don't mix

He is. Tony is contemplating about killing Paulie on the boat on impulse. What more if he owes you money on his losing streak?

That's exactly why I think he would've flipped and helped the FBI in the event he was actually arrested and indicted. By season 6 Tony had fully embraced his debauchery and self preservation

@@ian7064 yup he can justify it by saying the mob didn’t protect him and to protect his family

I heard that there was a psychologist whom believed Tony would have eventually killed everyone in the new Jersey mob.

@@mappingshaman5280 I'd love to read/watch that

​@@Lossandthepanda Me too, but to be fair, even me, a layman, could predict that. Tony was far gone

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Milfy had some jugs, amirite ?

Bobby, the Calzone with legs?

There was three on the boat when pussy was killed but tony was not going to kill hesh he liked hesh and he was a valuable person to tony to valuable to kill

@@fritzforsthoefel8031 i think Sills71 was making a reference to the Beviloqua hit to Pussy. 3s a crowd.

​@@SiccDeville I think the point was just that three people being involved in a hit has happened before. However I doubt Tony would have brought Carlo specifically if he intended to kill Hesh

Yup trauma from the near death experience also

@@austinschindle4706 Your near death experience, whatever happened there… *WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!* The shooting. *WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!?!?!”*

Wow never really thought about the psychological effects, I wonder if the guy they thought was Finnerty was like an effigy of that guy who liked animals and babies

I agree, and it goes perfectly with this season's Tony-theme. Season 1: The Son, 2: The Brother, 3: The Father, 4: The Husband, 5: The Leader, and in 6 he is The Beast.

Why do people always make excuses for him he's a piece of shit

@duggiesworld You know the difference between a Jew and a canoe? A canoe tips! PS: I'm allowed to say that cause I'm a Jew!😆😆😆😉

I don’t get it, guess I must be stupid forever

​@@Yeast85 Must be.

"Without Jews, queers and gypsies, there is no... comedy." (Originally "show biz."

@@HC-cb4yp Never heard that quote before, do you know who it was attributed to? Like your thumbnail, btw...

Furio was hot for his wife and came close to killing him in Vegas

@jt808ful well obviously the helicopter thing was nuts but he never acted on his feelings for Carmela and he was smart enough to leave before he got in too deep. But way before all that Tony was such a prick to him for no reason other than an ignorant way to assert his position. The parts where furio is talking about his dad having cancer and even so sad once he's crying and T is just heartless over it. They mirror it perfectly when Furio is teary-eyed picking up Tony and he says to get over it only to get dropped off at therapy(L) to sob like a baby over a horse he encountered maybe 5 times before it died.

​@@caseylayton4898 I never liked Furio, he looked synthetic like that Star Trek next gen robot, his skin was hummus colored, I could not stand the sight of him, another one I couldn't stand was Silvio, he looked like a dwarf Christopher Lee Dracula

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Johnny Sack was a fair bit younger than the rest of those guys but yeah I agree

For a real life example, just look at Nicky Scarfo, the Philly mob boss who was so ruthless he did kill a made guy who he owned money to. This so infuriated the five families that they were going to whack him back in 86' when he was indicted. Everyone hated Scarfo so much as Scarfo was an almost carbon copy of Tommy DeSimone, an absolute psychopath who followed no rules. The mobsters who testified against him were not even considered rats by the mob, that is how much Scarfo was hated.

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Automatic M I agree with you re: power & control. Imagine roles were reversed, and Hesh was the one with the snide remarks.

That is an interesting angle but I really won't use anything from S.1 as a reference with anything that happens past the first 3 episodes of S.2 . Especially really the pilot. Remember ,the pilot episode was shot in 1997 & the remaining 12 episodes in 99' . IMO Jim 's Tony was not Tony IMO ,& really wasn't actually Tony until a few episodes into S.2 .I seem to see that Jim was still fleshing Tony out and becoming him through the first season and really super noticeable in pilot .It was just a embryonic ,Beta ,or caricature version of a Tony , that Jim wouldn't really have down into season 2. And he really just got locked into the real Tony by season 3 . Then , By the 4 ,5, 6,7 seasons he really had a completely believable mobster to me . The pilot is hard to watch as Jim actually has a deer in headlights look and sound especially . Just my take on it.

Just curious, what do you consider to be 'consistent' behavior on Tony's part?

@@paulchakola7372consistently angry whenever something doesn’t go his way

@@Andrew-of7rx that's very true

Walter White could well take issue with that evaluation.

​@@brucer4170Walter White wouldn't exist without Tony Soprano.

Gambling can go bad at any time... look at Arnold Rothstein. Luck runs out.

Dying is convenient for slot of people.

Hesh’s paranoia is 1000000000% justified

Yeah, while Hesh couldn't go to anyone if Tony didn't pay, eventually word would get around that Tony borrow several hundred K from Hesh and never repaid it and that is a bad look for a boss. It would maybe raise doubts about placing their loyalty in Tony in the event of an internal or external power struggle.