Was Vega Really More 'Future-Proof'? Vega 64 vs. GTX 1080, 2022 Revisit

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@juansarmiento6754 Год назад

I was upset with my Vega 64 purchase mainly due to how hot it got and how bad the reference cooler was. It made up for itself during the shortage was able to sell it for around $600 and grabbed myself a newer card. I guess the miners really liked these cards.

@Hardwareunboxed Год назад

The lesson here being, always buy the compute heavy gaming graphics card, it will eventually pay itself off :D

@wile123456 Год назад

Yea they were twice as fast if not mroe at mining than the GTX cards

@wile123456 Год назад

@@Hardwareunboxed so that means you recommend Nvidia now since the roles have swapped? xP

@absurdh3ro Год назад

I did the same and upgraded to a 3080ti when gpu prices where insane.

@Pamani_ Год назад

@@wile123456 Nah, more like Arc ^^ Look at all those teraflops xD

@cliffordjohnson943 Год назад

I was surprised how well my Vega 56 still performs even at 4k with some older titles

@SweatyFeetGirl Год назад

despite what people say, vega were power efficient and fast.. it just takes 2 mins to change the voltage :D

@jepulis6674 Год назад

But it still enrages me that you have to undervolt it every time after driver update. 1200mV to 1060mV and its 20% in Superposition. Just insanely shit stock

@SweatyFeetGirl Год назад

@@jepulis6674 you can do it in msi afterburner instead

@freewrite2733 Год назад

@@jepulis6674 5000 series GPU's were the same. My 5700xt is by default 1.2vs and 2064mhz. When in reality it's rated for 1905mhz. So I have had to commonly reapply profiles. Even more confusing, to actually hit 1905mhz in games I have to set the target to 1950 in the drivers.

@ThunderingRoar Год назад

@@jepulis6674 you can just save it as xml profile and load it on new driver update

@LukeHimself Год назад

I've seen soooo many examples of undervolt+overclock, specifically focusing on memory overclocking, giving massive boosts over stock performance. Interestingly, this has *always been* the requested testing method for the Vega 56/64: "Properly undervolt and overclock both." The advice given to people looking to buy a Vega 56/64: "it's a tweaker's card.. if you like dialing in the perfect settings, then you'll love the cards, if not, then you should get something else."

@GoodJobLittleBuddy Год назад

The 56 was particularly good at this, especially if it had the Samsung ram. I bought the pulse Vega 56 after owning a Vega 64 and then a GTX 1070. And with some tweaking I had it running better than both cards.

@user-kb7pd1cl2w Год назад

I still have my vega 56 and i really love tinkering with it every once and a while.

@glitchvid Год назад

That's my angle too, I have a Vega 64 LC that I stick with basically stock clocks with a bit of an undervolt, and OC the memory to 1100 MHz. It's held up surprisingly well for me.

@techforge-Nate Год назад

Add a water block and in game clocks over 1650mhz are doable. Before AMD locked out the LC BIOS on ref cards 1750 was even available. At those clocks there were some titles you could swing in the ballpark of the 1080ti.

@manoftherainshorts9075 Год назад

GTX 1080 can get significantly better with undervolting as well. It easily works under 1V, very efficient!

@merlingbr Год назад

Although, many people now will forget that the lack of an open VRR support (Freesync) by Nvidia at the time may have edged some consumers into going AMD. Not everyone was comfortable with the G-sync tax - even Nvidia realised that eventually.

@grezgorztube Год назад

Yeah, this was a big deal. I especially didn't like the idea of a monitor which didn't support an open VRR standard. There's no way I would willingly buy a monitor which locks me into having to use only one company's GPUs.

@SINbKA007 Год назад

For some people (like me) Variable overdrive is important feature, freesync sadly not have it. But oled kill overshoot problem, when oled monitors became cheaper i will go for team red.

@fynkozari9271 Год назад

They locked it until January 2019. They wanna be like Apple, limited ecosystem. Monopoly, instead of universal.

@pandemicneetbux2110 Год назад

@@grezgorztube I kinda wonder if AMD's just going to make the mistake tech companies keep making over and over like Sony did in the 90s with their proprietary storage standard. Apple did it, but then chronic Apple users are dumbasses and that company's rich (after I found out iTunes made it so I needed to use a DRM stripper just to make it play on my non-Apple mp3 player I never paid Apple for anything again, this was in like 2007). Corsair does it with their fans, and that's one reason I refuse to buy their fans. So I just wonder if AMD xBoard + AMD GPU is going to be a thing they try locking anyone into (God knows nVidia would do it if they made CPUs).

@CanIHasThisName Год назад

@@pandemicneetbux2110 It makes no sense for them to do that and Nvidia wouldn't do that either. Limiting PCIe expandability would literally mean limiting feature sets and it would be a very strong deterrent for potential buyers. It would actually make their product worse and less desirable, and even the negativity alone would be damaging to the company. What Nvidia would probably do are miniature systems with a CPU and a powerful GPU integrated on a single board with a large completely custom heatsink. As for AMD, unless they stumble again, they're probably going to be more and more like Intel.

@solocamo3654 Год назад

Radeon VII vs a 1080ti or 2080would be an awesome revisit as those cards are still very capable

@wayland7150 Год назад

Radeon VII was priced to fail. Not much better than the first Vegas but a lot more money. Aimed at compute because it's a star at that thanks to HBM2.

@ricky4673 Год назад

@@wayland7150 Radeon VII had special licenses for many design applications. It was never supposed to be a consumer card. It was sent out due to Vega 64 sucking so bad and they had extra chips available from the professional cards. I did have one and loved it for one reason only. With modding skyrim, that 16gb of vram was very very useful.

@solocamo3654 Год назад

@@wayland7150 Vega 56/64 had HBM2 too. I've owned all three, the Radeon VII walks away from the other two cards no problem at all, especially at 1440p or higher. All the Vega cards were so bad out of the box it's a shame and really tainted what they should have been. If the VII wasn't going for so much money during the mining craze I would have kept using it at 4k without much issue. I sold it for my 6900XT that it more then paid for.

@LukeHimself Год назад

@@solocamo3654 niiiice.. I'm sure it was hard to watch it go, but replacing it with a 6900XT would make me feel much better.

@solocamo3654 Год назад

@@LukeHimself Yea, the performance jump was worth it and the new stock coolers are far more efficient. I sold my V64 (stock blower cooler) too but kept my Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 as with an uv / oc it will outperform a stock Vega 64 no problem.

@diablosv36 Год назад

Vega was a compute beast card, where as the gaming was really a second thought. Thats why its successors split off as CDNA for compute, whilst RDNA is made for gaming mostly.

@samgoff5289 Год назад

Vega was not a beast 😂 embarrassing for AMD thank god they got better

@Sam-cq9bj Год назад

Vega 64 bios update make it better .

@WCIIIReiniger Год назад

@@samgoff5289 you don't seem to understand his comment. Compute and gaming workloads are totally different. I could easily sell my Vega 56 for 500€ last year. While the 1080s were not even close to these prices. It's not all about gaming. It is true though that Vega was not a good gaming architecture, but I got mine for 150€ so it was a great deal and enabled me to upgrade last year. I could have never done that with a 1080, as its price was never so low when I bought my card and never so high when I sold it.

@diablosv36 Год назад

@@samgoff5289 you cant read it seems, i said it was a compute beast, and it was.

@tskraj3190 Год назад

@@samgoff5289 I have the Vega 64 LC it was slightly slower than the GTX 1080 TI but destroyed the GTX 1080.

@SinisterPuppy Год назад

I really like these retrospectives you've been doing. It's to bad AMD hasn't tried HBM since Vega. I really thought that was the direction they'd go with their APUs back then. Kind of like Intel's 128MB eDRAM for Iris.

@stebo5562 Год назад

They are going with infinity cache and v cache

@Wasmachineman Год назад

AnandTech has a extremely good retrospective on Broadwell btw. As for HBM: too expensive, low yields (=driving prices up even more) and shit reliability.

@MGsubbie Год назад

Not nearly enough die space on the AM4 socket to fit CPU, GPU and HBM on a single chip.

@GrimpakTheMook Год назад

@@Wasmachineman HBM main issue beyond cost is that it is very, very sensitive to temperature. Degradation starts at 90ºC and instability starts to show up at 85ºC. They reeally like to be kept cool. They also require to be really, really close to the cpu/gpu, which doesn't help with temperatures at all. Also, I don't know how it is with HBM2e or even HBM3, but, more voltage doesn't mean more stability. Normal DRAM is quite robust actually. At least on DDR4, you can drive 1.4v into the chips and they won't complain. Also just a bit of airflow is good enough to keep them cool enough. HBM does work with less (much less) power however, but for mainstream and/or enthusiast levels, HBM is too expensive and too sensitive. It's still used tho. Nvidia uses them in their compute units and AMD is still using it in their CDNA lineup too.

@Kazya1988 Год назад

@@GrimpakTheMook thats pretty good sum up of HBM but i realy like to have option to choose gpu for HBM memory and thats the reason i bought my vega 64. whit custom loop my gpu sit 30-35c and HBM around 40c and i realy like it.

@drowninggames Год назад

I'm still rocking the Vega64. Haven't found a game where I have not gotten a steady 60 or more FPS yet. There's probably a few but even Cyberpunk2077 at launch was running pretty well.

@jmzyboy Год назад

Same for me honestly, I have the red devil model and it works well.

@DeadPiixxel Год назад

you should want more than 60fps this is pc not consoles

@drowninggames Год назад

@@DeadPiixxel lmao, okay. Don't really care on single player games. All multiplayer games are usually easier to run and get over 100 on most.

@pastelink6767 Год назад

That's a mistake. You could have sold it during the mining boom for the same cost as a RX 6700 XT.

@younglingslayer2896 Год назад

@@pastelink6767 oh well

@onlinecheatersexposed8491 Год назад

i've been following benchmarks, and it also seems that the vega 56 is also still relevant to this date. in some games it runs better than a 1080. i have a vega 56 as a backup card

@Chrontard Год назад

funny part is that vega 56 was half the price of gtx 1080 and today, with 64 bios, beats it in most new games

@kurzschussbenchmarks Год назад

I overclocked a vega 56 to the point where afterburner told me it sucked up to 330W. I don't know if that number is accurate but all I can say is it ripped the 1080 apart in pretty much every game I compared the two.

@yeti4269 Год назад

@@kurzschussbenchmarks That's insane dude

@kurzschussbenchmarks Год назад

@@yeti4269 It really is, pcie power cables got quiet hot tho so I had to cool them with a fan so that the house wouldn't burn down.

@yeti4269 Год назад

@@kurzschussbenchmarks Water-cooled power cables

@misterbrickest Год назад

I love your channel and just signed up on Patreon. Been bingeing all your older episodes. You guys helped me make an awesome choice for my card (RX 6800 for $600) with your price per frame guides. Awesome work! Keep it up.

@HWMonster Год назад

Great testing as always. Everyone laughed when I bought my Vega 64 Nitro back in the days but it was an amazing card with incredible tuning possibilities. Undervolted and limited to ~200W it was silent, fast and not as hungry as every test said. I miss it.

@insurgentlowcash7564 Год назад

Man IMO the V64 is the coolest looking graphics card. Boxy, had the lil R in the corner, the angry eyes and coolest of all was the GPU tachometer. Problem was AMD QC was spotty, I LC my vega, undervolted it and still had stability issues. Then the Memory speed lock trick worked wonders, it was a good card after that. But before that I just purchased a 1080TI EK, and wow that thing leaves the V64 in the dust. Still love my Vega tho.

@MrNova39X Год назад

Had a V64, water-cooled it, was a beast getting close-ish to a 1080TI OC--ed (very good bin), still working perfectly in a friends build

@GrimpakTheMook Год назад

You put the LC bios in it, tune up the memory and just watch it perform...

@MrNova39X Год назад

@@GrimpakTheMook yup, was a very fun card to play around with

@ooringe378 Год назад

It better get close to a 1080Ti considering its a bigger chip, packing more transistors along with the amount of juice it guzzles.

@OrjonZ Год назад

Only GPU that got close to 1080 Ti was Radeon 7 not Vega 64.

@GrimpakTheMook Год назад

@@OrjonZ stock? we're talking about overclocked, and in a single synthetic benchmark too, so YMMV

@deviouslaw Год назад

My vega 56 is still my favorite card ever. I don't exactly regret selling it because the value was insane, but I do wish I still had it.

@wayland7150 Год назад

I sold my VEGA 56 cheap in order to buy an RX 5700 then the prices went up. I bought an R9 FuryX which has some similar technology like HBM and the tacho thing. It's about half the performance but still does what I need at 1440p.

@deviouslaw Год назад

I grabbed a 3060ti FE at MSRP during the shortage. Sold my Vega 56 to someone (presumably a miner) and actually made money on the swap.

@bfish9700 Год назад

I really appreciate that your sponsored spots are things that are actually good buys. Vega probably turned out to be better for miners than in actuality although 5 years from a GPU is a pretty good lifespan.

@wile123456 Год назад

Playing Warhammer 3 and the total war engine has really improved a lot the past few years. Total war Warhammer 2 runs at half the performance on my Vega 56 with worse graphics. DX12 is such a huge deal if its implemented well

@gatsusagara6637 Год назад

Another fantastic video Steve. Thank you. I never expected both vega 64 and GTX 1080 to keep up so well over time. I guess games were really held back by the lacklustre consoles. I cannot wait for the next few iterations of triple A titles.

@TheTechDragonChannel Год назад

One more thing that might be fun to test, vega has a setting to extend its memory with some system memory in the driver, also claimed as a forward option for when the 8gb would become the limit, might be fun to check this with some 4K gaming and see if it helps at all when the 8GB memory is not enough anymore, would it help? or hinder the performance?

@GrimpakTheMook Год назад

The HBCC? Buggy, sorta. Doesn't work with No man's sky for example. Instant crash to desktop.

@TheTechDragonChannel Год назад

@@GrimpakTheMook good to know, but i think thats why it would be interesting to test, since that was quite literaly a feature for the future, so how does the feature hold up, does it work at all or hinder.

@GrimpakTheMook Год назад

@@TheTechDragonChannel Never noticed anything special with it on to be honest. My guess is that the feature was sorta abandoned because it has its merits. PCIE interface would be a huge bottleneck tho.

@TheTechDragonChannel Год назад

@@GrimpakTheMook and the fact it more then likely needs to go through the CPU as well. yeah it probably has loads of issues, but that could make for an entertaining video to see how wrong they got it (or not) I never actually tested the feature myself, never had any need for it with 2K gaming.

@KillFrenzy96 Год назад

Graphics cards already extend its memory using system memory. System memory gets used if the GPU runs out of VRAM. Of course, this results in huge performance bottlenecks and is not optimal because using system memory is too slow to compete with VRAM. Keep in mind that the Vega 64 has a memory bandwidth of 484 GB/s, while the bandwidth of PCI-e Gen 3 x16 is only 16 GB/s.

@SteeltechPC Год назад

I bought my Sapphire Nitro Vega 64 back when they came out and it's still kicking today. My favorite GPU by far.

@Rosaslav Год назад

Same here. Only thing that I don't like is high minimal fan speeds.

@oappi4686 Год назад

I bought AMD branded 64 one because it was at the time 100€ cheaper than others. Still running it and I don't really understand why wouldn't it be relevant. It is still perfectly fine GPU and it can easily run lighter games like deep rock galactic and team fortress 2 at 4k. Still think HUB pull towards Nvidia is ridiculous, and this vid is probably one of the worst ones. Vega clearly beat 1080 but nope, apparently 1080 IS the card to go.... right. Anyway, can't wait to see next gen

@thanatoast4 Год назад

same. nutty card. wish the stock fan curve wasnt so anemic though.

@Wasmachineman Год назад

@@thanatoast4 guru3d forums > Radeon FanController

@Kestrel626 Год назад

Bought a V56 at launch at a discounted price, put a water block on it overclocked the memory & flashed it with a Vega 64 bios. Still running in my system but I may upgrade it this time around.

@darnymagician4416 Год назад

Just noticed the effects changes in the videos, the arrows pointing to specific graphics card, the patreon & floatplane logos at the end. Pretty interesting

@benjaminnaidoo9776 Год назад

A 1080ti revisit would be great, I've seen some second hand ones going for a bit less than a 6600XT, so that would be an interesting video

@BigSchu22 Год назад

The Sapphire Nitro+ Vega 64 is a pretty good implementation, IMO. Mine still runs cool and quiet, plus the PWM fan headers on the card for your intake fans to be controlled by GPU temp was genius!

@RimzoSky Год назад

Used the nitro+ for years undervolted and overclocked so it significantly outperformed a 1080. Great card, never went above 60c and super quiet, completely different to the reference model. Sold it recently and upgraded as it wasn't powerful enough for my ultrawide 3440x1440 monitor or 4k TV anymore unfortunately. Still a great card for 1080p and older games at regular 1440p though.

@BigSchu22 Год назад

@@c.james1 Sapphire makes great AMD cards

@scottmcdowell Год назад

@@RimzoSky I also have the Nitro+ Vega 64 running a 3440x1440 panel...it struggles with Ultra/High settings but still works pretty well with High/Medium settings.

@g00dgh0st Год назад

Very interesting look back, great content. I wonder if any of the swing in performance could be related to developers working with RDNA hardware for both next gen consoles.

@jamezxh Год назад

Good thermal paste , Under volting and an aggressive fan profile really helps on the stock blower type model

@seylaw Год назад

I've paid 219 EUR for my Vega 56 in 2019 and seeing it age that well (especially on Linux with better drivers, thanks to Valve's efforts) especially with the current absurd pricing levels, this was probably my best hardware buying decision ever. With an additional undervolting/memory OC, it still serves me well in 1080p to this date.

@armandraynal740 Год назад

Bought mine just when it came out in 2017 during the first week while the price had not exploded yet. Definitely my best hardware buying decision too, still kicking strong in 1440p on GNU, with a hefty undervolt and mem OC too!

@LeJimster Год назад

Got mine at launch, which isn't normal for me. But I need a GPU and I really wanted AMD for the same reason. Open source drivers on Linux. It's been a great experience, I can't complain. I will add that I slapped a water block on mine as I wanted a cool and quiet pc.

@geoffreywright9933 Год назад

I sometimes miss my Vega64, was a tweakers dream - the 2080ti I have now doesn't let you do much, if anything. Had the Vega running 1550-1600Mhz @ about 220W most of the time. Also had a low power profile for more quiet running which would generally hit 1450Mhz at 160W - fan would barely ram up past 2000rpm. Part of the fun with Vega was trying different undervolting profiles to see how fast or efficient you could make it.

@armandraynal740 Год назад

So much this. The real fun becomes the computer itself at some point with parts that have such big room for tweaking. I've been having a lot of fun with my vega 64 since it came out back in 2017, and now I just bought a 5900x to replace the 3770k that was choking Vega, and it's a whole another video game again when I get into the BIOS ... BPO is awesome, it took me a minute to set an offset of -15mV and get about 6-8°C cooler temps in full loads ...

@spenmac Год назад

Nice work Steveo, i always like seeing content like this fella.

@logs8833 Год назад

Ooooh Hunt showdown I would LOVE to see it more often in your GPU benchmarking vids ♥️

@DerrickRG Год назад

I LOVE that you test Hunt: Showdown. I've been asking hardware reviewers to use this game for years now, glad to see it getting some attention. It was one of the games that massively benefitted from the recent DX11 optimizations for AMD 6000 GPUs as well as the extra cache in the 5800X3D. A 100fps improvement from 100ish fps before to highs over 200 for the 6900XT in my system.

@DerrickRG Год назад

@Exter_pc on Instagram 3rd time being blocked while calling out an obvious bee oh tee.

@RimzoSky Год назад

Vega 64 was actually always a decent chip let down by a terrible reference cooling solution. Aftermarket cards like the Sapphire Nitro+ would stay under 60-65c allowing higher sustained performance while the reference model would thermal throttle and downclock. The reference model is probably thermal throttling in this video as well causing its lead to be smaller, if you compared two decent aftermarket cards against each other I would expect the difference to be bigger.

@rexyoshimoto4278 Год назад

I made a decision to to get better cooling for my Nitro Vega64. I went with Raijintek Morphous 2 which was a real piece of work to get constructed. I say 'constructed' because it wasn't as easy as the videos on RU-vid made it out to be. After 5 or 6 times assembling, disassembling and re-assembling, it clocked over 1820 mhz, was cruising at 1790 at 50c. Whoever said Vega cards are a teakers' card, got that right! I have a notebook full of settings and changes. Many thanks to Afterburner.

@Net7GiantMeteor2024 Год назад

Those dust layers.... good vid as usual! Would love to see Vega using the Mod drivers with all the fixins backported.

@AliShaikh_744 Год назад

Thanks for another awesome video Steve. Would you be willing to do an RX580 vs 1060 again and throw in an R9 290X since it performed pretty similarly to the 580 before?

@nk-dw2hm Год назад

I love my vega 56s, had a pair of them and it sounded like a wind tunnel. Performed even better than my 5700x and far above 1070tis

@afro_dodo 10 месяцев назад

still rocking my vega64 that I got during a mining crash where somebody sold it for next to nothing

@ttghhgg1918 3 месяца назад

I recently upgraded from vega 64 org strix to a rtx 4060 n boy do I regret it so much the image sharpening in amd is worth the money it makes games look way good n also that hbcc memory in modern games makes it butter smooth n with frame generation amd vega ran better than my 4060 but yes no rt but there are barely any ray tracing games tbh

@nipa5961 Год назад

Thanks for the revisit, much appreciated!

@Hardwareunboxed Год назад

You're very welcome and thank you.

@paulsmirk2046 Год назад

Great Video! I think a Radeon 7 with its 16 GB of HBM2 vs GTX2080 would be a very interesting one too, especially as the Radeon was a bit of a limited run, niche prosumer card, and how games compare with its architecture. ( i don't own one, but was very tempted when the prices dropped to GTX2070 money)

@PC-C4RN4G3 Год назад

i really love this channel astralians doing it right, no fanboy to brands and always showing the final consumer the right chooise, since this channel i turn AMD, always intel nvidia and since then 3600 with 5700 XT the best machine with the best price i build (regret of selling it in the bitcoin times), now i have the 5800x with the 6800xt and i love the performance / price AMD give me, for me the 2 picks for really acurate benchmarks is HARDWARE UNBOXED and GURU3D im from Colombia Bogota, is not easy to find parts here.

@SmileyBMM Год назад

I got the vega 56 red devil below MSRP in 2018 knowing I'd be using Linux once valve made more progress on it. Super glad I did and happy to see the vega 56 is still usable for newer titles. Been rocking Linux for over a year and glad I don't have to deal with the Nvidia drivers. Thanks for the vega benchmarks, was planning to pick up TW:3 but was worried my GPU wouldn't handle it.

@wayland7150 Год назад

Wow, you were thinking ahead. I'd been watching Valves progress too and made sure I had a VEGA for Linux use.

@penguin5384 Год назад

Hell, whats next up SLI Voodoo 2 vs Riva 128? Quake 2 & 3 benchmarks of course. Appreciate you looking at the older hardware , its still interesting to see how it performs now.

@SPSteve Год назад

Interesting test. I built a GTX1080, 6700k, Z170A, 16GB computer in December of 2016 and it gave me 5 years of excellent service but was noticeably showing its age so I built a new computer last December. It will be interesting to see how the RX 6900/6950 XT and the RTX 3090 and 3090 Ti age and what their performance will be in 5 years?

@guywithalltheanswers6942 Год назад

I really appreciate enabling resizebar to see optimal situation. Also hunt showdown is a fantastic game for cpu performance. Even overclocking ram makes a huge difference in my experience.

@wayland7150 Год назад

Does it do anything on VEGA?

@Psychx_ Год назад

Nice to see that Vega has aged gracefully. I'm still happy with my watercooled ref. V56 that I have since the architecture launched. Pushing the HBM to 1145Mhz does give the card another sizable performance boost. More importantly for me, Linux compatibility is flawless.

@wayland7150 Год назад

Yes it was the best Linux card ever. More games worked with it than with R9 390. However I think those older cards also got some updates in Linux recently because the R9 FuryX I am using now does work fine.

@Splarkszter Год назад

was it bandwith too?, this is a good example to see what to prioritize for future proofing any GPU purchase. Very interesting stuff.

@jonathanmarshall3974 Год назад

Every driver update for integrated Vega graphics (in modern products up to 5000G series) also had the side benefit of helping out the Vega 64 over the last 4 years. That's one of the reasons I bought a Vega 64 - long driver support.

@BAF-ch4ts Год назад

I like my Powercolor Vega 56. I dropped the voltage and everything has run really well.

@PAcifisti Год назад

The "aging" process is still rather appalling when you remember the Vega 64 consumes almost twice as much power as the GTX 1080. Over the years and especially with the modern European electricity prices that's going to be really expensive.

@gene081976 Год назад

This was the main reason why I went with GTX 1080. The latter card was amazing leap forward in performace per watt for that gen. Prior to the TI cards, nVidia made it possible put a high-end consumer card into a mini-ITX chassis and under a 500 watt power envelope. Sadly, both nVidia and AMD doesn’t seem to care anymore about power efficiency and keeping high end cards under 300 watts. Not even sure if I look forward to 4000-series and 7000-series from N and A because of rumors they need 1000 watts PSUs.

@CleonofAthens Год назад

Tbh 150 watts vs 300 watts for 2 hours every single day is going to just be literally $12.50 saved each year. Unless you use your card at full load for like 12hrs everyday it doesnt matter. Over 5 years its only $60. Which tbh is probably worth the extra 10% in performance we'd probably be seeing if the card ultimately got proper support which it does not have due to its terrible marketshare.

@PAcifisti Год назад

@@CleonofAthens Have you seen the recent electricity prices in Europe? 0,3-0,4 Euros per KWh is considered normal / cheap. During the worst times its _40 EUROS_ per KWh. Besides, lots of us nerds use the GPU way more than 2 hours per day on average. It also affects the idle usage, the lower max pretty much also correlates with lower idle draw too.

@PAcifisti Год назад

@@gene081976 You can always enforce better efficiency and manually adjust the max power target to something like 50-70%. Usually the last 50% of the power target are used to gain the last 15-25% boost clock speeds so you lose way less performance than you think in doing this. If the silicon lottery has blessed you, you'll be able to counter the performance loss with an OC. With a 2080 I was able to run it at 80% Power target and ~+150 mhz core OC that made it run at about stock speed, just with some odd 40-50 watts less power draw.

@gene081976 Год назад

@@PAcifisti I am aware of this. When I was younger with better memory and more time on hand I would configure and tweak my [windows] system to get maximum performance and lowest latency. But I started hating to do it every single time I get a new computer. It took approximately an hour. By Windows 10, I gave up and just stop and accept most windows settings out of the box. I’ve had to tweak a GTX 1080 so it runs at under 180 watts (off a 330 watts AC brick). Though it works, I had to do it each time I had to wipe and re-image the system. This problem was later resolved with doing a full system image backup, but it’s a lot of work to do for each new GPU. Having it meet most of your needs out of the box just saves time these days. That is why I’m not really looking forward to the newer GPUs rumored to be requiring 1000 watts of power. My desktops are mini-ITX with varying PSUs: 500, 600, 750, 800. My “largest” mini-ITX system is the one with the 800 PSUs powering a 6900 and 5950 (gaming system). I stop bothering to tweak it and just want it to mostly work out of the box. If I ever need to wipe and do a clean install again, I don’t want to spend an hour to re-tweak it anymore. I just want it to mostly work from the getgo. That said, a vendor finally release an SFX PSU that can provide 1000 watts for like $300. I’m considering getting it and upgrading my PSU from 800 to 1000 just in case it can power an 4080/4080 or 7900 and without requiring I spend time to undervolt, lower watts, and OC.

@bigbuckoramma Год назад

I really do wonder if some of the massive FPS swings between the two cards is directly related to the Resizable Bar? For example, with my 6950 with Resizable Bar enabled, in Forza Horizon 5, I get a solid 10 FPS bump. But when I load up the Hot Wheels expansion, I get 30 FPS. Turn off Resizable Bar, and the Hot Wheels expansion runs at 120FPS again. So there are still some significant negative scaling bugs present, and again, I think some of those wide margins may be attributed to the Resizable Bar negative scaling.

@missedgnomer636 Год назад

In your Fortnite testing, was multithreaded rendering enabled for DX11? And did you try the Performance option (Vulkan I think)? I run on Epic settings at 3440x1440 and I’m curious how the GTX 1080 compares.

@JakeSulinjr Год назад

I gotta say, I don't think it's quite as irrelevant as you may think in 2022. While I'm sure I'm an outlier, I have a Predator Helios 500 Gaming Laptop with a full desktop Vega 56 in it. Damn thing still works great and shockingly I haven't had to replace it at all. Thanks to the "forward thinking architecture" it's lasted longer than my most recent desktop or any higher end gaming equipment I've ever owned. Don't get me wrong, given the choice, I'll play with my 3090 Ti on my new desktop any day over it. However, I genuinely have no plans to replace it as long as it keeps working because it's a perfect somewhat portable replacement desktop for me when I'm away from home. I also imagine there are others like me out there that got lucky taking a chance with AMD's Vega series back then and are as happy with it today as I am with it. Just food for thought. Best wishes from SoCal!

@samgoff5289 Год назад

Vega was such a bad architecture...easily beaten by everything

@Orcawhale1 Год назад

This don't make a ounce of sense. 1. You don't have to replace anything in a machine, if it's not broken. Hardware can last pretty much indefinitely. So it's very weird how you attribute your own personal choices, to a graphics cards. 2. Of course, you don't have any plans to replace the back up system. That's the whole point of having a backup. Your whole comment makes very little sense.

@randomesteven3935 Год назад

That Predator Helios was my dream laptop back it came out. The Vega 56 could actually hang with 1070 mobile graphics, and the Acer chassis was actually able to keep it cool enough. Unfortunately, it was not only unavailable for purchase where I lived but also expensive if I were to buy it in the US and ship it to me. But that doesn't change the fact that it was such a cool build. The CPU was also a desktop 2700 iirc, wasn't it?

@siyzerix Год назад

@@randomesteven3935 No. The mobile gtx 1070 packed more cuda cores than the desktop gtx 1070, and could also be OC'd. The i7 8750h when undervolted can perform similar to a desktop i7 8700 and those gtx 1070 systems costed less than the vega laptop and had better battery life too (For instance, some max q gtx 1070 laptops like the aero 15x packed 6-7hr battery life). Vega was shit on laptops

@siyzerix Год назад

You do realize, that pascal laptops had the full desktop parts in them too, right? Infact, the mobile 1070 packed better specs than the desktop 1070 since it has more cuda cores. It was also capable of being undervolted or overclocked, so could outperform the vega GPU in laptops. They even costed less than amd's options at the time and could very well outperform it. And I mean in just 5 years you got rtx 3060 laptops for $1000 or less. In 2021 they did cost $1000ish. And they have killer productivity performance, more than vega. With ryzen they even got relatively good battery life and great CPU performance.

@sokol5805 Год назад

They don't call fine wine for nothing.

@introvertplays6162 Год назад

May I ask in what way the undervolting was hit or miss? Up until last week I used a Vega 56, which I undervolted to only consume 180-210W, while I also tweaked the HBM2 on it. It was basically as fast as a stock V64/GTX1080. I was fairly happy with it and never felt like I got a bad deal. Of course you have to love tinkering. It took me about a week of tweaking it to get it perfect like that. But I also love the tinkering. I also undervolted my new RTX 3080 to "only" suck down 250W instead of the stock 350W (GIgabyte Gaming OC), while only losing about 3-5% performance, depending on the game.

@GewelReal Год назад

2:32 what a trippy transition

@forestR1 Год назад

AT THE TIME - Vega 64 was still the much better option for me because it had one thing GTX 1080 didn't: FREESYNC! VRR is easily one of the most important features for gaming, and Nvidia's GTX1080 REQUIRED you to spend an extra $200 to buy a G-sync monitor to use it. That ends up being minor dot point for a tech reviewer who will have that lying around, but it was super important for me at the time.

@SaltyMaud Год назад

That is a fair point, but freesync is also kinda just the poor man's g-sync, both figuratively and literally. There are things the g-sync module does better than freesync, namely frame doubling below the lowest supported refresh rate to keep sync and proper variable overdrive. Lack of variable overdrive is _still_ a dealbreaker today, especially on VA panels.

@forestR1 Год назад

@@SaltyMaud that's true... and also maybe not. They are feature requirements of G-sync (when talking about monitors with G-sync modules). They can also be features of freesync monitors; they just aren't a requirement of the standard. I can attest to lack of variable overdrive on IPS too as my low budget ALDI monitor has very poor pixel response characteristics. it's my only real complaint of this monitor. That said: G-sync has variable overdrive in the specs, but i cant recall seeing a detailed review of any gsync monitor that was regarded as a "single overdrive solution" (apart from OLED) So i can only assume that it's just "better" but not "perfect". In my case (not speaking for everyone else) LFC is a non event. the cheapest freesync monitors will go down to low 40s and Im not spending $200 extra to "enjoy" games at 30-40fps. At the time; for the same price, it would have been a choice between: Freesync monitor + Vega64 Freesync Monitor + GTX1080 (no VRR then) G-Sync monitor + GTX 1060ti as far as "poor man's" goes; yes; but most people do have a budget to consider.

@plasmahvh 9 месяцев назад

@@forestR1 what the fuck is a 1060ti

@TheHighborn Год назад

Still on vega64. no issues. gonna upgrade to next gen, but it's 'cos vanity not 'cos need

@anthonyclaxton3424 Год назад

I absolutely loved my old ASUS Strix RX Vega 64. Purchased it used for around $200 from a friend. GTX 1080 ti's were selling for around $600 at the time. It got warm in stock configuration, but nothing that the Strix cooler couldn't handle compared to the reference blower style cooler. I ended up buying an NZXT Kraken G12 AIO bracket for it, along with an ASUS Strix LC 360mm AIO and some smaller heatsinks for the power delivery components on the card. Once those were all installed (AIO was in push pull with 6 fans), I put a custom power table on the card and did an undervolt/overclock to it and it was almost at reference 1080 ti levels of performance in a few games and was well beyond reach of my brothers MSI GTX 1080. Idled at 21C and never went past 47c under full load. I do miss that card sometimes. Was a great piece of hardware. Served me very well.

@Nelthalin Год назад

Thanks for testing the Vega card. It clearly aged better. For me it's relevant how it aged I still have the card bought it at day one for a good price way cheaper than a 1080 (i bought a Vega 56 because it was not that much slower at the same power settings and with a V64 bios that allowed for higher dram clocks because of the higher voltages ) it's not in a primary system but the performance is still very usable 5 years later. I always ran the gpu with a undervolt making it more efficient, giving it more stable clocks and a slightly higher performance. And offcourse it made less noise that way.

@bencarey243 Год назад

The 1080 was the best card I ever owned. I still have it in my back up computer and it still runs great I got it at launch still runs like a champ!

@mentalasylumescapee6389 Год назад

yeah it is a beast, i gave my brother my gtx 1080 when i upgraded to an rtx 3080 and his CPU is bottlenecking the F out of the 1080, it can't handle it.

@TIOLIOfficial Год назад

Just YESTERDAY I was looking at buying a used Vega 64, when compared to a 1080. This video released at a perfect time.

@SaxaphoneMan42 Год назад

If you decide on the Vega 64, and want to overclock it, I know Steve said "There's nothing that can be done about the massive power usage", however those cards generally can have their voltages lowered, and clocks increased for lower temps/power usage for more performance. Buildzoid from Actual Hardcore Overclocking did a great video explaining it when these cards were a bit more fresh off the press.

@dadgamer6717 Год назад

@@SaxaphoneMan42 yeah i recall spamming comments in the past about "undervolt it" but that might have been for the RX470 etc range too!

@SaxaphoneMan42 Год назад

@@dadgamer6717 its a shame and a blessing that the card shipped with the VRAM config it did. 1.2 or 1.25v, whatever it was stock, was just way too high for the Samsung HBM2, but man the efficiency that VRAM had at lower voltages was absolutely nuts. iirc my 580 had a decent bit of thermal headroom out of the box, but the 470s may have performed differently?

@DesFTW_ Год назад

Personally I would start avoiding Pascal cards. In older games they are still perfectly fine but in more recent ones things start getting a bit messy. I'm a bit unsure if it's a lack of optimization or that their dx12 performance isnt great (or both). I would say if you can find a decent aftermarket vega 64 or rtx 2060 super/2070 for the same price I would go that route (5700s at least for me are still expensive).

@jedpratte Год назад

I would try to find a used 2070 super. The drivers will be much better going forward.

@frshunter Год назад

Nice Job as always! ......I did get a nice board partners Vega 56 brand new for $190 back in 2018 and can't say I regretted my decision for that price. I buy both AMD and Nvidia but the Vega 56 (and the 970 from Nvidia, in one of my children's pc) have been the best purchases over the long haul.

@facebag666 Год назад

I seem to recall that the vega 56 was the real deal having 90% or more of the vega 64's performance, my buddy has a vega 56 red dragon with a honking cooler on the nano pcb that matched vega 64 scores iirc. also the fury nano was such a cool piece of tech.

@Kaelygon Год назад

I'm still using gtx 1080 for optix rendering, vr and some games 1440p or 4k in lighter titles

@davidjones7144 Год назад

Great video. If not too late for the Q and A, I have always wondered why AMD seems to outshine long term. The same was true for rx 580 and gtx 1060 (3g vs 4g and 6g vs 8g). Is this hardware, driver or both?

@armandraynal740 Год назад

It's because AMD GPU rely more on actual proper hardware design than software optimization. Nvidia is a company that presents itself as foremost a software company, while AMD presents itself as an hardware company. Nvidia manages to get ephemeral wins that make a big impact on most viewers by optimizing its drivers the right way when it matters, for new games just when they release and benchmark videos are pumped out by reviewers thirsty to be the fastest to come out to get the most visibility. IRC Nvidia has more than 3 times the size of AMD in software development budget for their GPUs(besides having a bigger budget in general in all areas because it's a bigger company), so of course they get get better drivers out faster than AMD for new game releases, which really is perfect to take the lead in the first published benchmarks and thus mark people's mind.

@wayland7150 Год назад

Well the VEGA has High Bandwidth Memory. When it was launched other cards had slower memory and less of it. Now modern cards have caught up with the VEGA as have the games. This leaves the slower memory cards like the 1080 behind. AMD have also done some amazing work with their drivers recently. It may be they were behind Nvidia who got lesser hardware to perform better than expected at the launch but 5 years later AMD drivers are at that point.

@berengerchristy6256 Год назад

@@armandraynal740 and Nvidia used that r&d to absolutely smash amd for nearly a decade. Let’s not forget that amd/ati dropped the ball so hard back in the day nvidia just made their x70 card the x80 by swapping the stickers. Fanboying over companies that just want to make your wallet lighter baffles me I’m just glad amd goes toe to to with nvidia at the top end these days. Amd now competes toe to toe with intel, too. Exciting times

@Mustis91 Год назад

This is great! how did you know i needed this video? I'm thinking about getting a new pc with an amd ryzen 5800x and i was wondering if i could get away with using my gtx 1080 for a year or so if i also upgrade to a 1440p monitor. i guess not really but at least now i know!

@MrTKsDaddy Год назад

Hey Steve, could you maybe do a comparison between Ultra an High (or equivalent) settings on high end graphics cards to show just how much performance you can get for minimal loss in quality. I don't think you've touched on this for a while so might be worth looking at current cards with new titles? Or even showing how much mid tier cards can benefit from a slight drop in quality to achieve good frame rates at higher resolutions, showing how halo products really aren't good value?

@libertyprime9307 Год назад

Pretty sure he did exactly that not all that long ago. I don't think the results would be much different today.

@SpencerHHO Год назад

The fact that cards from 5 years ago are still viable is pretty cool.

@samgoff5289 Год назад

Well I mean games are still running on consoles....how is it surprising

@slimegante7663 Год назад

it's not like they didn't cost half a salary, being viable is the bare minimum those cards could provide

@Dark.Syndicate Год назад

what, u expect a 5 year old flagship to suddenly become terrible?

@tuckerhiggins4336 Год назад

My Rx480 hasn't died yet, what is surprising about any of this

@kajurn791 Год назад

Some of these games are about that old.

@jerrywatson1958 Год назад

Thanks for this, I bought Vega 64 just as the mining boom of the time crashed. It was a reference card from Sapphire. I paid $100 less than MSRP new. It was a great upgrade from my RX 480. A year later I put a waterblock on it. It wasn't a great at undervolting, but I could power limit it -10% and OC! So while gaming I was only pulling 175 - 200W for the gpu. I still use it to this day in my media center pc as it sips power at idle and desktop video playing. I am now going to take it and the 5600X out and put them into a "newish" gaming build with one of two AM4 motherboards I have laying around and replace them with a 5700G.It's all I need for a TV. I may use the 1080p/144hz monitor I mothballed years ago or just buy a new one. It can be my "Retro" PC lol. But I now have the Sapphire Toxic in my main gaming pc and it pulls 280W gaming 500W at the wall. So today my Vega64 looks not too bad power draw wise.

@rinserofwinds Год назад

Yes, I am very happy about this video! Thank you for the great content!

@wawaweewa9159 Год назад

You should take out the extreme outliers in a slide too

@moomeuh1342 Год назад

Bought (:p) a Vega64 in 2019 for 260€ I wasnt sure at the time if it was a good deal, now i'm sure it was an awesome deal :D

@GewelReal Год назад

bought*

@mroutcast8515 Год назад

with how expensive electricity is in EU, I think that was terrible deal, considering you could have grabbed something like RX 5600XT for slightly more and like 1/4th power consumption and superior temps and very comparable performance (plus it would have been brand new)

@Daniel-ru8je Год назад

@@mroutcast8515 while that is true, it wont raise the electricity bill by more than a few euros. I think people really overstimate power consumption, its good to have less because less heat and less stress on the psu, not really cuz of the bill

@GewelReal Год назад

@@Daniel-ru8je it's not THAT much money but it isn't nothing either. 15-50 euros difference is meaningful to some folks

@albertwesker4266 Год назад

I bought it for 130€ a month ago :) sapphire nitro+

@f688xt6 Год назад

My Radeon VII was always a better experience than most of the reviews that I've seen had stated that it would be. I feel like this was a similar situation. Sure, you couldn't overclock it on launch day or for about a month after, but the drivers really did mature over time, and by the time I replaced it with a 6900XT, the jump didn't feel like it was "light years" ahead. And once overclocking was a thing for Radeon VII, it was a good difference in performance. Maybe a revisit of Radeon VII in a similar way would be interesting?

@bakeroLJ Год назад

r7 just wasnt even a contender really tho as it was only avaliable for a short period, lack of partner models and it was overpriced compared to the competition. i owned one at launch and can say that i loved the cards looks and the performance was good but it just wasnt worth the price tag, and due to the mining boom it didnt benefit from the discounts that vega 64 and 56 did. i basicaly see the radeon vii as AMDs prototype for a better cooler design (while simutaneously using up reject silicon from compute cards) as up until that point reference coolers had typicaly been garbage.

@25MHzisbest Год назад

Was the "high bandwidth cache controller" turned on for the Vega 64?

@46three Год назад

Still have my Sapphire Nitro+ Vega 64 undervolted and running great. Had originally planned to eventually upgrade to a 6000 series, but with the prices... well, my Vega 64 has been keeping me going happily for longer than I had ever expected.

@BatManSWG Год назад

Have same card too from Sapphire and because of mining burst couldn't afford a 6700XT wanted to purchase. But so far, still getting good performance , on Linux, more than windows, and I have good profile with CoreCTRL keeping my Nitro+ always never max 50-55 Celcius on 1440p Resolution.

@SleepyFen Год назад

I really wish the older cards still got driver optimization updates for new games. But I guess that wouldn't be as profitable.

@katech6020 Год назад

they can make it a paid thing if they want to. I know it is a bad idea but at least it will reduce e-waste.

@standarsh8056 Год назад

Both Pascal and vega get updates. What are you talking about?

@SleepyFen Год назад

@@standarsh8056 they literally said they haven't gotten performance updates for new titles like Warhammer 3 in the last two videos featuring the 1080

@standarsh8056 Год назад

@@SleepyFen who said? Nvidia?

@SleepyFen Год назад

@@standarsh8056 hardware unboxed. Both in this video (2:17) and in the video from 12 days ago where they tested the 1080 against a bunch of games and noted a lack of driver optimization.

@spencerowen7614 Год назад

there's something to be said for Vega's overclocking headroom if you didn't have one of the god-awful reference designs. If you had no problem dumping power into it you'd easily get a big performance improvement over stock. But as far as overall design quality goes gotta hand it to the 1080/1080 ti for being monumentally more efficient. The reference design for the vegas was downright embarrassing but it was a pretty neat card when you got it from the right board partner.

@Mattia_98 Год назад

I'm really happy cause I bought a used Gigabyte Vega 64 in 2020 for ~240€ to replace my GTX 980. Pretty quiet, still happy with it.

@BReal-10EC Год назад

Always wanted a PowerColor Red Devil Vega 64 card as that one actually did seem to be cooled properly. But the limited new card sales off all Vega cards and later mining capabilities just made them too expensive used to try.

@fintux Год назад

Well it's not quite correct to say that it took five years for the Vega64 to get on top when you haven't tested it for four years. It has taken somewhere between 1 and 5 years.

@MafiaboysWorld Год назад

Shows how bad the drivers for Vega truly were back in 2017-18 for the results to be flipped around so dramatically. Adrenaline has been improving Radeon's like fine wine lately. 😎👍

@fatboydiesel8270 Год назад

I remember tuning my Vega 64 with those drivers and how bad it was at times. But, it definitely upped my tuning game for the Radeon VII, 5700 XT, and RX 6000 GPUs.

@MafiaboysWorld Год назад

@WT95 It's beyond "as intended" if it's gone from 5% behind to 5% infront of the 1080.

@TrueThanny Год назад

No, it doesn't. It shows that newer games run better on GCN than Pascal, because they use features that Pascal is generally poor at.

@EpicestNameEver Год назад

I used to have a Vega 64 LC. Loved that card. It undervolted like crazy and the memory could be clocked pretty high. The reason I sold it was because AMD seemed to drop support for Vega cards once the RX5000 series was released. New software features were mostly only available for RX5000 cards and not for Vega. Still, used the card for 2 years and got the money I paid for it back when I sold it during the mining craze.

@Ayns.L14A Год назад

Hey Steve, I've paired my Vega 56 with a ryzen 7 5800x3d and I'm playing Far Cry 5 @1440p, 144hz, Ultra graphics and happily running at around 90fps good enough for me. no need to spend more on a graphics card than I spent on my full system including the new cpu.

@Driftwood420 Год назад

The Vega 56 was still the better buy. You could OC basically any of them for free performance and have it surpass a stock Vega 64. The Vega 56 was king

@marsovac Год назад

I flashed my 56 to 64. It is also required to overclock the HBM memory past the 64 values. Mine with Samsung HBM goes to 1100Mhz which is up from 800Mhz stock and 64 945Mhz stock.

@Chrontard Год назад

i have it flashed with 64 bios, it was a monster while ago, now its average but everything still playable

@wayland7150 Год назад

56 clocks better than the 64, crypto mines just as well.

@TheBogimen Год назад

1:30 sapphire that never throttled or became hotter than 70C

@Hardwareunboxed Год назад

Yeah, can you name more than 2? ;)

@SviatoslavDamaschin Год назад

Well sapphire is the go to brand for amd gpus

@brzimtrco6142 Год назад

@@Hardwareunboxed reference was trash, most of other models were good, I had 56 pulse and it was almost all the time below 60c on the core, at ~20c ambient and 18-1900 rmp.

@EmergencyChannel Год назад

Blower cards are and were straight dog, I'm so glad they are dead. AMD got their ass chewed out by the PC community when they released a blower reference 5700xt.

@Hardwareunboxed Год назад

Most of the usual suspects didn't even have a Vega model and those that did came very late.

@tyronebrown8510 Год назад

I got the MSI Air Boost version of Vega 64 back in late 2018. I still own it. I have a 1440 240Hz monitor and it does fine for now. It runs into the low 70s as far as heat, which isn't so bad, but the fan can definitely be loud at those temps. Fortunately I game with a headset, so the noise isn't a factor for me.

@mikebutler9332 Год назад

I think there were glimpses of what Vega could do back when they came out. And clearly that's been better realized now. It's just a shame it took so long for that to happen. I was very happy with my Vega 56 purchase and since it's punching above it's weight now I think it was a good purchase for the price. I don't think I'd be saying the same if I shelled out for a Vega 64.

@firestuka8850 Год назад

Good GPUs. They did their job. We appreciate their service.

@madjackgamingandfitness498 Год назад

It was more future proof than I thought it was going to be because it carried me through an over priced 2000 series an under performing 5000 series and a corrupt crypto boom. Ready for the new series

@tenseur2 Год назад

RX 5700 are better than Vega 64

@Tallnerdyguy Год назад

@@tenseur2 not by enough to justify the price..... 30% isn't worth upgrading. 50% or more. I did the same. The 5series was not enough gain nor was the 2000 Nvidia series. Except the 2080ti, but sold out for 6 months and $1400? Nope no way

@madjackgamingandfitness498 Год назад

@@tenseur2 Yeah 2 years later for 10-20 frames more at the same price bracket. Not something to write home about. My statement was amd failing at keeping up with competition with the 2000 series in that year. The 6000 series in it self was a failure because the only reason you bought it was if nvidia was out of cards. The price to performance was abysmal in this generation and that's what killed it for me.

@Bassjunkie_1 Год назад

Fun review, thank you. I got my vega 56 back in 2019 off ebay for £200, it was a stock hot biatch. Put a vega 64 bios on it and bought a Morpheus 2 and had great fun overclocking it. For some it's a bad card for others it's bags of fun. Recently replaced it with an RX 6700 and stuck it in my boys pc as it still lives strong! Somehow 😆

@SirMo Год назад

I still have my old Vega 64 Liquid which I don't use right now. But that card was underrated. Never had any issues with it and it looks beautiful. Got me through a lot of titles on 1440p. I undervolted mine so I never had issues with the GPU running hot or using a lot of power.

@whssy Год назад

64LC is still my main card till I'm better off. Figure it will serve me at least another 2 years.

@ruxandy Год назад

Yeah, I for one am not very surprised... this has always been the case with nVIDIA and ATI (AMD). As a retro PC enthusiast who has hundreds of motherboards, graphics cards, CPUs, I can tell you that this has ALWAYS been the case with nVIDIA vs ATI (AMD) cards. nVIDIA is exceptionally good at polishing their drivers for newer titles (effectively beating AMD/ATI in the short run), but the green team is the first to stop optimizing for their older architectures and framerates effectively drop with each new driver release (I've seen this behavior time and time again on Windows 98 by testing 10 - 20 driver versions on the same GPUs). It would be interesting if Steve could do a similar multi-driver test on modern nVIDIA GPUs - my guess is that we'll see the same results.

@MasterControl90original Год назад

somewhat true... BUT purposely buy with the expectation to get better performance from driver updates isn't really wise, those cards new were pricey and you buy something new to have performance readily available not "maybe" in the future when the cards are realatively outdated. Yes the Vega64 got better but still the 1080 had better features and was reliable along all (at the time) current games, both cards are good even nowdays but in the end who enjoyed their new piece of hardware more? Those who had optimized drivers for years and still have decent performance nowdays or those who can now brag "oh look fine wine" but had very inconsistent performance between games in the beginning?

@samgoff5289 Год назад

I love when people get excited because AMD drivers are terrible for the first 5 years of their cards life that finally gets better and this is somehow a good thing? 😂

@ruxandy Год назад

@@samgoff5289 / @MCP90 , you guys are missing the point. I never said that one should buy AMD in the hope that their drivers will be optimized for a longer period of time (even if performance in the first year since launch is worse than nVIDIA's). My point was that nVIDIA, who is clearly the larger, richer and more powerful company when it comes to graphics cards, could certainly (if they wanted to) optimize their drivers properly throughout their entire lifetime (up until they actually stop creating drivers altogether for that specific architecture). If AMD was always able to do it (even during the "ATI era") with fewer resources, then why can't nVIDIA do the same?

@tskraj3190 Год назад

@@samgoff5289 I love how there is always an Nvidiot troll in the comments trying to get a negative response because they don't have any friends in real life.

@renogunzddragon1900 Год назад

@@samgoff5289 man,you in most comment trying to talk shit,go touch some grass bruh

@galnart5246 Год назад

My Vega 64 died after 3years and had a lot of black screens since the start.

@ando7020 Год назад

Fake comment

@Daniel-ru8je Год назад

@@ando7020 ? Its not impossibile to have a defective card lol

@bhume7535 Год назад

RX 580 8gb is still kicking pretty good. for $120 back in 2019 I couldn't be happier with what it has done for me.

@wayland7150 Год назад

If that was the only GPU in the world we'd survive fine. Nothing that can't do that you'd need to do.

@garchamp9844 Год назад

Wait, what? You can enable rebar for Vega 64 and GTX 1080? I thought it was a RDNA2/Ampere thing exclusively?

@happydawg2663 Год назад

FineWine confirmed

@PepperSnek Год назад

Man, I made a mistake not buying the Vega 64 when I had the chance. I wanted a 1080 since the reference cooler of the Vega 64 was loud, hot, and bad. Nobody had the 1080 in stock so I waited a week or two... sadly the mining craze started and I was forced to buy a 1060 at the same price as the 1080/Vega 64. I replaced that same 1060 this year in May.

@Rmx2011 Год назад

Good to see that the old Vega generation catching up slightly, must be that FineWine TM lol. Used to rock the Vega 56 undervolted for years, definitely a great card to tinker with and learn a lot from. Currently rocking a 6700XT, the 7nm process is so much better, it's quite shocking how well it performs.

@agentooe33AD Год назад

I'm still rocking my Vega56. Between games looking good at medium settings, and the fact that there aren't that many new games coming out that make me wanna upgrade, I plan on rocking it until the next generation, and see what's on offer.

@ioannistselikis4908 Год назад

I bought my Sapphire Vega 64 back in 2020 for 250 Euros, using it still. Quite happy really. Of course the reference models were crap and not worth it due to noise and heat alone, but Sapphire Nitro is really fine. In 2022 it performs like RX 6600 more or less

@Sipheren Год назад

This one is great to see, always figured gcn would do well over the long run but as you guys tend to say, buy for now, the 1080 was a far better card over the life.

@dizzle2404 Год назад

No sir, You coming back to this test was very informative for me and made me change my mind on upgrading my GPU. I appreciate your benchmarks for both CPU and GPU's. Your benchmarks has helped make a decision on my CPU. I had the Ryzen 5 1600 for 5 years and I realized my CPU was actually bottlenecking my Asus Strix Vega 56. I replaced it a month ago to a Ryzen 7 5700x and wow huge difference on GPU usage. Playing Spiderman remaster(High Quality Settings) with my old CPU produce average framerates of about 65fps with lows at about 34fps with 70% GPU usage. I popped in my 5700x and seen a huge difference at 111Fps average and lows of 74fps. I also undervolt and overclock my GPU on both cases. The undervolt does amazing things with newer games. Conclusion I will keep the cash and wait for the RX 7800 xt or RX 7700 and see where I go from there. Brilliant sir.

@Klongree83 Год назад

This is actually really well timed. Planning on giving my son his own pc built out of my old 2700 rig, giving what he plays my vega 56 (64 bios) may actually do him for a year or so.

@wayland7150 Год назад

Consider 3000 or 5000 series CPU upgrade as a way to boost the GPU. Those old RYZENs are the bottleneck on practically any GPU.