No one should give him a thumbs down 😡 He took his time to show you the difference in speakers 🔊 and quality he did an awesome job Thank you 🙏 And whoever gave him thumbs Down are jerks there was no need for that ...
I just got my Orion XTX8” 4ohm in today and OMFG, these speakers are crazy loud and super clean compared to my eminence 8”. THANK YOU Mike for your countless hours of testing these. Watching your videos helped me decide which speakers to buy.
you should put then in a category like some people will like more midbass and others will like better sound quality and some want both combined into a speaker
The DS18 does not get distortion when there’s bass and vocals at the same time. From my point of view, the Orion is clear, but it’s too clear. The highs drown out the bass. But the ds18 plays bass and vocals at the same level. This is just my perception but it’s all thanks to you. I appreciate everything your doing.
The height drown out the bass ? First of all many need to dampen their doors with sound treatment. The midrange from these speaker are stronger than stock speakers so many time the door panel vibrates which cause distortion and cancelation due the back wave the door panel creates and send back to the speaker cone also the panel resonate producing un natural sound.
It also depends on the application of your ride. I know I couldn't fit the orians in my car due to the magnet size. Unless you build a pod. But I like to keep my stuff flush and hidden. Stealth looking.
Dude. I sat here watching this video. Thinking of things that may have been done incorrectly. The little devil on my shoulder wanted to say things also. But we decided to watch the video and stfu. Gotta say glad I did. It was enjoyable. And it looks like you were having fun. How can you not like that type of video. Good job. Thumbs up and new subscribed
You should also let people know where your crossover settings and tuning frequencies are setup for your demonstrations , keep up the great videos bro!!!!
Thank you so much for these videos. Kind of recently blown majority my car speakers as they were not great for me today. 2 years they were perfect. 7 speakers I'm looking at for my new car audio system next month.
I like what you are doing, unbiased. However, it is critical for testing on a baffle or box to isolate the front and rear sound waves. from 60hz up to roughly 300hz you can observe large changes in this range, which may sway many people in their choice, including myself. Keep up the great test sessions, we love em!
Prv are way better them the other by the way i have a proyect on mind o will started this summer to make array sistem but first im going to fix my ev elx115 need new speaker
I have the skar audio tws01 tweeters and the prv 6mb100-4 together in a VW with stock amp and the louder the volume the clearer and better the sound gets! It's been about a year and they're still performing well. In all the setup was 120$
Thank you, I chose DS18 pro 6.5" 450amp for my midrange door and back seat speakers, I love it and my friends love it. Bass is kickers 12" ×2. Kickass, really nice music for my accord sedan. Not to loud but lots of clarity.
The orion sounded clearer than any others, including the $260.00 mid. But the Pyramid pro sounded better to my ear, I always lean towards more low and high, than mid sound (sort of V shaped if you look at it like an equalizer)
Well you can’t get much less expensive. Pyramid may not have to most attention to detail on build quality but if you get good ones they last and can sound much better than many others at their price point. Just be sure to look at other Pyramid 6.5 mids also if you are actually using a 6.5 as a mid. For mid bass, the one he has here is a no brainer if you like a thicker tone with a little less control at high volume. You can improve them by applying a sound deadening component to the cheap metal frames and back of magnet. I use urethane glue.
@@frankstetka7206Having bought 4 different pairs of the w64, they are fantastic sounding. Midbass especially. But they don't last. Granted I'm usually running 80w each, but I do replace them when I get overexcited, and run them with say a 63hz crossover. Problem with them is the glue that holds the the cone to the spider, is garbage.
Thank you for taking so much time to compare these speakers. Can I make a suggestion? I think if you were to put these in a small box the sound is going to change. You rely need to separate the front and rear wave. You don’t need to screw them down or wire them in, just use your alligator clips and drop them in. Give it a try, you’ll see the difference.
Beautiful sound from the orion. You do amazing work, I was about to buy something else and judge by brand name. I have a whole new respect for orion. WOW! Focal VS Orion, i bet Orion still win some mid range Focals
I should think the Focal will cost more from what I recall but I too am very impressed by what Orion is putting its label on currently. WoW talk about bang for the buck clarity. I like moderately loud but pretty much care about quality over SPL and I think Orion is nailing my market and affordability. Way to go!
2008 Scion xb budget built Pioneer av head unit Phoenix gold sd 1100.5 Skar tx-t tweeters Skar fx65 Audiopipe x overs Pyramid pro 6.5 in rear doors Skar ix8 in sealed enclosure EQ is essential!!!!
Excellent job. I would be very happy if someone in my country was doing reviews like these with the products we have here. This evolves the sound market. Congratulations.
Thanks for making these none bias videos showing nothing but the truth. Really gonna help me on my upcoming mid range purchase!! The orion is the leader of the pack in my opinion. Keep the good vibes and videos coming brother.
Thanks for review it was awesome you weren't lying those orion cobalt 6.5 matched with the 1.5 cobalt tweeters perfect wired at 2ohms on my rockford 400.4 match made in heaven crossover at 125hz 12db slope sounds amazing paid 60 bucks
I was gonna get massive audio super teeeters and mid bass. But now I’m going ds18 super tweeter and the prv. Thanks man. Love that you do these comparison videos.
I've heard the PRV, but when I compared them with the DS18 Pro I was blown away. The DS18 Pro 8" with dust caps excites me very much with it's sound quality and stamping mid tumps. I noticed from tests the PRV distorts after a while of playing.
You should hook one up on left channel and one in right so you can switch back and forth and play both together maybe mixing board like DJ .. Good luck on your journey!!
Orion for the win and PRV next I love Orion XTR an Orion HCCA my favorite speakers and subs still my new favorite sub is TT technology TT-12XMAX it's a beast an put anything I've seen in person to shame
@@tammyforbes2101 Going by how you wrote your post on how they have decent stuff, then trashing the company 1 sentence later, im betting you are not one of the people robbed by him from posts from 2012, just one of the people making illiterate posts. I however have installed and personally run this company. That said, dollar to power, they can't really be beat. i.e. meade916 video has an rp1200.1 on a dynamic amp dyno run pushing out over 2,000 watts on a burp. So again, stop re awakening 8 year old topics.
Everything I have is Orion! I’ve had skar, ds18, kicker, ct, I’ve had plenty more but point is Orion literally underrates all there products and sells them cheap there a guy that shows there amps at 1500 pushing 3000 clearly no clipping at 14.4 amps .
Seemed in the video the prv had the nicest overall response. Not screaming highs, well balanced 200-2000hz. The Orion and others sounded like a tweeter
Where is your SPL meter? , what RMS are your testing at? What is the FS of each speaker? , what is the frequency response of each?, So many questions NOT answered WHY ❓
Exactly what I was thinking. And these are just free range. They are going to sound totally different when they are mounted in your doors. And using a clip for wire terminals 🤦🏽♂️
At least we get to hear the difference between them. If you are shopping for speakers online you look at the small parameters and power ratings don't you? Why should this guy have to tell u that shit? You are just being a little ballbag.
@@mr.wabbit5874 I understand everything about frequency ohms the ohms fluctuate as the frequency rises thus manipulating the output at different frequencies. All these speakers in this video are meant to be heard over subs that are hitting 145 dbs and up. That being said none of these have a flat response throughout their usable range. If you want a high spl door speaker that has audiophile sound quality on a budget check out savard. But as far as dissing this guys channel the people on here are absurd and if they don't like don't watch it. There are plenty of people posting videos on the high dollar equipment and tell you all the details that you are too lazy to look up for yourself . Unlike this guy they don't give you a side by side comparison on how they sound witch is the most important thing imo. This guy doesn't have the time or the equipment to do a frequency sweep with an oscilloscope. Give him a break dude he is doing better than a lot of other channels.
@@mr.wabbit5874 I mean seriously if you are so anal about the response at different frequencies why in the he'll would you even be watching this?? I think this is one of the best channels out there I'm mean hell if you are wanting to get loud you know you are going to have several problems as far as sq goes. He is showing us the best on the market in that certain price range. If he were to run all the test that you want, just you and a couple of other douchers would be the only ones watching. You have to make it interesting to get likes , views and subscribers. You should look at things at all angles before you cast judgement. I promise your life will be so much better if just stop being such a pessimist.
Mike, absofreakingloutly loved this video, and much respect brother, especially for your integrity by not going "commercialized" and being scripted! Once again, thats for helping out the blue coller workers, like myself, that cant afford to go blow hundreds on their sound system. Your the man with the "Real Deal?"
For speakers there is no free lunch, you want efficiency (and generally high-frequency extension) you trade bass response. The longer and heavier the coil the lower the Fs of the driver as well as higher the inductance which also kill high frequency response. Personally I don't push anything lower than 100Hz through a car door so I go as efficient as possible. I run triple DS18 FR6-NEOs in the front doors and they extend up to 10kHz+ with minimal breakup. Sound similar tonally to the Orions but a little louder and nicer build quality (cast aluminum basket + push terminals). Also a big fan of phase-plugs as they really help increase high-frequency response.
Next time you compare 6.4 inch speakers you need to include the Rockville RM64PRO 6.5" I compared a lot of cheap 6.5 speakers and the pro model from Rockville won hands down. I had them in my truck and now they are now used in my computer speakers I built. They handle a crazy amount of power. I have them hooked to a 400 WPC amp RMS with a peak power of 700 wpc crossed over at around 100 HZ using a sub woofer and 1.5" Titanium tweeters . These little speakers even beat out some B&C 6NDL38 $108 each . Hard to believe but they did. You need to get a speaker selector box and make your life easier. They do have better but bang for the buck is what I am posting about. Full pecks. TS Parameters:
Mike, Love how to test all that speakers. I am a fans of Orion since hightschool. though that company had died out. But from your test it gives me an inspirations to get orion for my car. Thx Mike
back in early 90's PRO PLUS were red surround ,fome surround or ridge , they came in 6, 8, 10 ,12 and 15. i had two 15 with Motorola tweeters on a pyramid PB600 and they were super loud !!
I actually liked the sound out of the pyramid pro's, I don't like peaky sounds, i like them more mellow and those fit that. the orions sounded clearer though i admit that
The PRV is a pro audio speaker. So it sounded a bit more tamed to me. And should have a flatter response. The Orion does sound clearer. As in the vocals sound clearer since it should have a higher frequency response given the phase plug. To me those two are the best with each having their area of application.
Rockville is owned by Cadence Audio, and while it's not in this video Cerwin Vega is now owned or merged with Diamond Audio. I would suspect many other brands are actually operating in the same manner.
As an Orion for life guy, the Orion was EXACTLY as expected! The Hertz was somewhat disappointing! The real surprise was the Pyramid for me! I would like to see where Morel and Focal would compete.
According to the crap sound quality of an old I phone the Orion sound very natural in part to having an extended high frequency and good balance but the DS-18 was a real surprise for a meaty (into mid bass region) midrange that also sounds natural and well balanced, to me the PRV has a bump in some mid decibels that when paired with other pro sound components should work out well but I do not prefer it to DS18. Also the Pyle speaker chosen is more a lower mid bass and Pyle makes one or more perhaps in this size that are a pro sound style with the cloth surround instead of rubber; less Xmas ( cone travel ) and better upper mids. I have a few somewhere and was impressed not only that they cost next to nothing but sounded usable. 😉
Prv is cool, but once I heard 18 sound I switched. 18 sound much brighter and midbass is tighter. Prv has some new mids so maybe there's something better out now.
Mike boogy... cut a hole in the table to compare the more direct sound in the table as a good infinite baffle...with 2 bolts you will clip to the 2 bolts and have 2 wires on inside connected to the bolt so speakers are easy drop ins
What speaker will you recommend on a budget to replace a stock 6.5'' door speaker on a new vehicle that you wont replace the head unit or adding amp. Just want to add quality of sound and more bass that it is missing from the stock factory speakers.
I have a Pyramid w64. It’s got enough bass, as low as 65hz, but not too much that makes me feel dizzy and vomiting. In this video, the volume was too high, making the sound not as pure. It’s very good if you don’t need that much bass and high volume that makes it distorted.
Is that a bullet style tweeter I see on the Orion's. May be why it has a much brighter sound compaired to the others. To me the speaker which would sound the best out of those being installed with desperate tweeters being used would be the pro plus or the prv. Depending on the tone you prefer.
Which Midrange you recommend in these three catagories? 1- Intro Level 2-Mid Level 3-Boss Level? From watching your new video, I take it that you're boss level is the Orions?
@@bassbrother101 ADDED to The title thank you for letting me know Pyramid W64 6.5" 200 PRV Audio 6MB200-4 Orion CM65 DS18 6.5"PRO-GM6 Rockville RXM64 6.5"
DS18 Pro gm6 is an 8 ohm speaker. Others are 4 ohm speaker. Most car audio amplifiers are 4 ohm (or less). How are 8 ohm speakers on 4 ohm amplifiers not going to damage either the speaker or the amp?
Orion felt more clear and more sound quiality but prv has more midbass just wait till you do the 120 orion the thing gets so loud but mine make a funny smell if i put to much power on them
I love me some prv man you should least their new 8MB700FT-NDY and their monster 12MR2000X.. Big fan also of B&C. Love what your doing from audio fan to another
the prv 6mb200 are MID-BASS speakers that's why there are the MB's in the name.....so not a fair comparison if the other speakers were midrange speakers
Also look at the materials it's made out of like butyl rubber polypropylene silk or the plus one cone that Alpine and JBL uses. JBL stage or JBL GTO have good quality
Which is better overall if you want luxury bass, clarity, and sound inside the car only not outside the car Alpine R, GTO 629, Focal, or Infinity Kappa or another brand??
