Watch this before you buy - Erbauer 1500 254mm Planer Thicknesser - Faults and quick run through

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Erbauer 1500 254mm Planer Thicknesser - Faults and quick run through.
So this is my quick review of our new Erbauer planer thicknesser. We decided to go with a cheap unit as we would only be using it for thin timber and thought that anything expensive would have been a waste of money at the current time, well that's what we thought.
We were using it for approximately 10 minutes on thin pallet wood and pine before the main drive belt broke.
List of faults....
1 - Fence was bowed along the length
2 - Fence was cupped
3 - Aluminium pulley has casting fault
4 - Drive shaft for planer blades is bent and has run out
5 - Chain for roller drive is dragging on planer blades driveshaft
6 - Push blocks are not flat
7 - The drive belt snapped.
Good Points...
1 - All metal construction
2 - Price is very cheap (£220) from screwfix
It's worth noting that I did email Screwfix and gave them 48 hours to reply, but they didn't bother coming back to me.
A Lot of these planers look the same, please let me know if you have a different make but the insides are the same, especially with the nylon gear. I would be very interested! I won't be telling you if you should buy one, but, watch the video and see if you think its worth buying and comment below to let me know what you think!
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@jerrybootneck1736 3 года назад

I worked in one of screwfix's shops for around 3 years and the amount of Erbauer tools we had brought back was unbelievable and because of my experience of a shop worker I'd never buy Erbauer but give screwfix their due they exchanged them without any quibble. Hope you got your sorted.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Hi Jerry, yeah its a weird one right? I guess that they know that they will have a certain amount of returns and so don't really care. Maybe don't bother with QA checking? I don't know, seems odd the experiences that people have that its not a bigger issue.

@consol2008 3 года назад

I bought one about 2 years ago now, must of used about 60 hrs in total am still is fantastic, I’ve checked mine with what you have had probs with- fence is bang on true and square with a bit of movement and shaft alignment is bang on my dti barely moves for the price I’m still happy with it also still got same blades on with amazingly smooth finish, I think you must of got a shitter 😏

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Haha I think I did, still not convinced they are quality BUT its good to hear that you have had a good one! I've had mixed comments from people to be honest, some have had a great unit, others have had the same issues as myself. I wonder those of us who have had bad ones have had the "Friday afternoon" units lol, there has definitely been an issue with quality control at some point. Fingers crossed its all sorted and people are picking up a bargain like you did! Thanks for the comment and info, good to know 👍🏼

@musamor75 2 года назад

Hell other, I've just finished watching a video by a chap called Peter Millard. He was quite honest about things. He hadn't had it for long, and had only done the equivalent of one day's work. It had me more or less convinced. I'm a semi-retired cabinet maker and furniture restorer living in France. I was used to proper cast iron two ton jobs- 700mm width. You could plane a centimetre at a time if you wished (of course no-one would do the). Heavy, sturdy, precise, and powerful. I've been doing a hell of a lot of research on these kind of machines. Quite honestly, they all seem to look identical. So really it certainly isn't worth wasting money on this kind of equipment. You'd have to go into the 4 figure range (1,000 +) to even begin to get anything proper. The industrial machines go into the thousands. Quite honestly, I reckon it's just pot luck. I've read a lot of comments, and the majority of people are fairly lucky. You weren't, and I'm sorry for you. this kind of experience can put anyone off. Thanks for sharing your experience, and good luck worth SF. Greetings from France. Cheers. Ralph

@musamor75 2 года назад

Omg, please forgive. Spelling mistake. It was: HELLO!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Ralph and thanks for the comment! Yeah it's a bit of a weird one but I don't think I am alone. I checked on the reviews and there are lots of people with the same issue but like you said, it's a bit of potluck I think! The thing is the returns policy, they have a pretty much zero quibble policy so if you had the time and the inclination you could keep returning them until you picked up a good one, I've spoken to a few people online who have done just this so I guess its an option. Thanks again for the comment, hope the weather is beautiful in France today! P.S. Dont sweat the spelling lol, these things happen!

@musamor75 2 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop Hello again, Thanks for your reply. The spelling mistakes were the phone's fault. I read your comments, and was rather amazed by the idea of returning a single item several times before finally getting the good model. It's like a game of hit and miss, carried out by a bunch of half mad drunkards! My generation were used to quality goods, British or European (German, Italian, Swiss, and French) made, solid quality machines and tools. We HATE waste and poor quality. All of my chisels are quite old (40 to 50 yrs) with some 19th century. All of them were re-hardened by a friend who's a master at this. My German Ulmia chisels are second to the Japanese in hardness. The stuff on the market is basically crap. Don't even TOUCH "Stanley"!! It's AWFUL rubbish- and expensive. The best are Vetitas and Lie Nielson- extremely costly, but beautiful tools. For reliable machines, if you're good at mrchanics, are the old cast iron ones- they go on forever. As to the T/P I've heard that Metabo are quite good (that's the beginning of the next category above. Probably in the 900£ range). I will confess. I have just decided on a Scheppach HMS1080 254mm model + chip collector- same brand. It's a 5+5 year guarantee- the best on the market. You see, the after sale service in France is a disaster. But, I have a good lawyer 😅. I really hope you get your problem sorted out. Enjoy chipping! Best greetings from France (the weather has turned after 10 days of gorgeous sunshine 😭). Cheers, Ralph

@richarddunn504 4 года назад

Thanks for the video. I hesitated after your video, but saw lots of positive reviews and bought this in Dec, it’s been perfect, I think you were unlucky... the fence will move if I push hard on the end but over the cutter, where it matters most it’s solid, push blocks don’t need to be flat just grip the work piece which mine do. Or maybe I just got lucky 👍 cheers.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hi Richard, Sorry for the late reply, things have been a little mad with the business as you can imagine with everything that is going on. Glad to hear you got a good one. I think you were the lucky one! The issue with the fence moving when you apply pressure is that inevitably you will be applying lateral force against the fence. You should be able to get around this though by adding a MDF fence which fits over the current one. Be careful with those blocks, all push blocks need to be flat so that you get the full force onto the base and through onto the timber but these can be easily made so again, its not too much of an issue. Good luck with it though and be safe!

@mrsilvo2031 5 лет назад

I had the same issue after having it and running it medium to hard at times for a few months. The pullies and belt basically exploded. Screw-fix did refund with no issues though. Good video

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

Hey, thanks Silvin! Yeah screwfix were great to be fair and gave us a full refund, its just a shame that they are not bothering with the QA in the first place but I guess you get what you pay for to a certain extent!

@Stelios.Posantzis 3 года назад

Great review. Essentially, if you're buying this, you're the QC - good to have that in mind. On the other hand, some of the issues identified perhaps go past QC into quality of manufacturing: I'm not sure e.g. the play in the bearings can be rectified by simple adjustment alone, perhaps manufacturing tolerances could also be the cause.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

That's a very good point. I think its definitely built to a price, its a real shame as I think it could have been a really great little tool.

@amwartwork Год назад

i treid to find one of these when looking through many many bench planers. i eneded up gettin the triton one. best value for that price. screwfix had them and ffx for 280. and eveyone elese was 320 upwards.

@TheNaturalWorkshop Год назад

How are you getting on with the Triton? Had a good experience?

@boonster666 5 лет назад

Was considering one of these BUT, will now steer clear cheers

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

No problem, thanks for the comment!

@rogercheeseman 4 года назад

I always used to buy Makita battery drill/drivers,until I needed one urgently. Brought a cheap black and decker, one made in England before everything came out of China. It was the best drill/driver I ever used, cant get a battery for it now so I'm using cheap Chinese generic drill/drivers. It doesn't bother me now as I'm retired so only use them occasionally.

@thelordofdarkness141 3 года назад

Makita are terrible now

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Yeah its a bit of a mixed bag. Some of the cheaper units are terrible but the more expensive ones seem to work great but its hard to choose for sure 👍

@thelordofdarkness141 3 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop I've had two in 1 year where the chuck has seized up and wouldnt release the bit one where you you can only drill when something is infront if you drill down the chuck slips absolutely shocking

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

@@thelordofdarkness141 that's terrible! Are those the brushless ones with the all metal chuck? Guess it doesn't matter as it must be something with the clutch that is failing. I'm debating whether to get rid of my 18v kit and go for the 14v kit. I had thought about going Makita but I don't want to waste money, might have to fork out for the Milwaukee instead if that's the case.

@mikesharp4033 3 года назад

@@thelordofdarkness141 I agree. I am a careful D-I-Y user; my drill came with 3 batteries. It needed them - they all failed to hold charge within a year. Appalling performance from a Company that considers itself high quality. Land-fill waiting to happen.

@ianbodey6245 4 года назад

Was going to buy one of theses I think you just saved me a headache .....👍👍👍

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

No problem Ian, any ideas what your going to go for instead?

@lenroddis5933 4 года назад

I bought a Kity 10" planer/thicknesser a decade or so ago and paid about £600 for it. It was out by about 1/16" across an 8" board when thicknessing. It was "made" in France and the UK distributor never got it working to my satisfaction. Kity went out of business soon after. I don't believe that a half way decent machine of the Erbauer 1500's capacity can be built for that price and wouldn't risk buying one.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hi Len, thanks for the comment. ,Its a shame as Kity have some great tools out there but all is not equal across the board. I wonder if they have been around for so long that they end up with someone who manages to fix it. I kind of agree with you but you would be surprised the economies of scale with machines like these. Alot of machines have the same case, fence, rollers, electronics, motors etc which enables the factory to make it a ridiculously low price. The machine price usually increases when they change the internals. Metal gears instead of nylon, better shielding on the electronics etc. That being said, its my experience that I always find a lemon when I pay low prices. A Lot of other people have had better experiences than me but I can only comment on mine. I always try to buy quality for the workshop, but sometimes you need whats around and others you can wait for good quality stuff to arrive. I have found that even when paying a good amount for a machine, it always needs fettling and is never good to go out of the box.

@lenroddis5933 4 года назад

With you on economies of scale; short production runs with long set-up times can kill the bottom line.There's a risk even with high priced "gold standard" kit. I've had my 1/4" Elu router for 39 years which is still going strong with just one bearing change. Similarly the 1/2" version. But the Elu band saw turned out to be a pile of poo; the blade tensioning mechanism has been replaced 3 times. Time isn't an issue for me, so I bought a good quality hand plane and a pair of winding sticks to convert my slabs of highly figured maple and bubinga into tables. Very hard work - but the sound, the feel and the smell of working with hand tools can't be beaten (and no snipe from a planer!). Mind you, the Lie-Nielsen #7 jointer cost twice as much as the Erbauer! I suppose these days if you have to buy new, the #1 criterion is the reputation of the retailer and their willingness to play the replacement game.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@lenroddis5933 There is something beautiful to be said about working with wood and hand tools. I love it! That is completely true 're the retailer. That is my number one request when asked others about different brands after reliability. My tools help me to feed my kids, if they don't work then it causes me no end of upset with clients. We had a router die last year, took them 3 weeks to get it back to us, 3 weeks! We use axminster alot for tools and they are great. Awesome aftersales and their technical team are often on the money when things go wrong. They can usually identify the fault and send you the spare part if you are happy to fix it. Well worth the extra money in my opinion!

@tcr_tagger3738 4 года назад

Thank you! You've save me some ball ache.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

No problem, glad we could help by saving you the hassle!

@tomtomlin7127 4 года назад

Thank you for the vid i was thinking about getting one but now i'll save a bit more money and get a dewalt.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hey Tom, not a problem. Glad it helped save you some money and hassle. The Dewalt is a great unit, I know a few people who have it and have said good things.

@3333Trevor 2 года назад

I bought the Erbauer 8" thickness planner from Screwfix about 8 years ago (£140). I have used it extensively on hardwoods and end grain cutting boards and never had a problem all these years. That is until yesterday when the same belt as yours snapped. I have found it to be very robust machine which I have treated badly being inpatient and taking too much off with each cut. These are just generic machines made in China and come with all sorts of names.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

Totally agree, Ive spoken to a bunch of people and some have had the same experience as myself and others have had the same as you. It seems to be a bit of a game of luck to be honest. That being said, I run a couple of their sprayers and they sork great!

@robinskitube 4 года назад

Yes I too was considering buying one of these with the emphasis on was........

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Haha yeah I know what you mean. I'm eager to pick up some of the other ones which are similar to see if there is any real difference!

@t.alanblain6313 3 года назад

Looking for replacement blades and came across your video, I have had this model for about five years and given it a lot of work to do. It has behaved impeccably. I had to buy a new set of blades two years ago, but other than than that it has made mountains of shavings from pine, beech, oak and black walnut. Additionally based on my experience I have bought five other Erbauer power tools and I am over the moon with the quality and price. I think that your experience is unfortunate, however I do not think that this is typical of Erbauer tools. BTW I am in no way associated with either Erbauer or Screwfix.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Hey T Alan, apologies as I dropped a reply over but I dont think RU-vid posted it for some reason! I fully understand where you are coming from. Ive had a few Erbauer tools over the years and some have been excellent and others have been terrible. It seems to be a bit of a crap shoot when it comes to what leaves the factory but Im tempted to do some more tear downs to see what they are like inside.

@MichaelSmith-nk4yq 4 года назад

I got mine from Screwfix and although I’m not currently happy with Screwfix I am very pleased with my Erbauer Thicknesser Planer. Minor issues like the power button needed to be pressed hard to start, the blade protecting arm getting in the way when planing. Everything else is great. Well worth the money in my opinion, maybe you got one that was not checked properly. I’m definitely keeping mine as I use it at least 5 times per week since June.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hey Michael, apologies as I didn't see your reply! Glad you managed to get a good unit. Sadly I don't think mine was an isolated case, the consensus seems to be buy one and keep taking them back till you get a good one lol. I can't be bothered with all the mucking around but happy days for you bud. Merry Christmas and thanks for watching!

@MichaelSmith-nk4yq 4 года назад

TheNaturalWorkshop I’m not sure if it’s the machines that Screwfix are getting in but I ordered more machines from them and it’s been nothing but a nightmare! I recently got replacement blades for my Erbauer Thicknesser Planer and have yet to fit them. You must have got a bad one because I am so happy with mine. Another alternative is to join a Men’s Shed if there’s one near you. They often have lots of tools and machines that you can use and it’s great social interaction with other guys. You have a great and peaceful Christmas and new year. All the very best 👍🏾👍🏾

@sandman2651 4 года назад

@@MichaelSmith-nk4yq Hi michael,i have just picked my planer thicknesser up from screwfix i have put it together but i have a question both the in feed and out feed tables are out of alignment and point down towards the cutter blades do you know how to level them out?any help would be great

@MichaelSmith-nk4yq 4 года назад

Rocketman the table shouldn’t be pointing down. There is a red knob at the right hand end of the table and that is used for raising and lowering the top table. One way you can check if the table is level is by placing a long spirit level or straight object across both tables, they shouldn’t be be perfectly level or they won’t plane. The left side should be slightly higher than the right. You will see a depth measure just on the right side of the blade guard. When using the planer only take off a small amount at a time, between 0.5-1.0mm, this avoids strain on the machine. Happy to talk you through this if your on Twitter I can give you number we can speak on, but I won’t put a phone number on this platform. If I can be of any further help, shout me back 👍🏾👍🏾

@sandman2651 4 года назад

@@MichaelSmith-nk4yq So kind of you to reply,i have put a level that spans both tables and there is a 1cm gap from spirit level and top of cutter head, i have spoken to screwfix tonight and they couldnt understand what i was meaning so suggested i take it back and let my local screwfix branch see it and try to adjust it,i think they will take it back and order another one in which is a pain really

@philipdavison4066sawdust Год назад

What a rip off mate, they surtanly see you coming. You say that it only costs 200£ but that is a lot of money for some people and if they are prepared to rip you off it doesn't say much for joe blogs. I'll certainly keep away from them, good to hear that you have taken it quite well. Stay safe my man and carry on 👍

@TheNaturalWorkshop Год назад

Ha yeah they did I think. Its all good though, what can you do! Hope you're well mate

@philipdavison4066sawdust Год назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop yes mate we are very well, i have just turned 70 had a great couple of days in London, very up lifting . How did you get on with your machine did you get it sorted and hopefully it's better now than ever Take care and keep your fingers away from it 👊👍

@TheNaturalWorkshop Год назад

Happy birthday for the big 7...0!!!

@Boredofeveryone 3 года назад

We have had the Erbauer thicknesser for over a year and it has performed perfectly. I am about to buy this very model to replace my Titan Planer Thicknesser. Will let you know if we get any of these faults come up, Great vid :)

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Hey, thanks for the reply! Good luck with it, I would be interested to see what the insides are like and if they have changed any of the components. Definitely keep us updated, would love to see how you get on!

@95Gabe 3 года назад

What is the noise level like working with the Erbauer? Tolerable or really loud?

@Boredofeveryone 3 года назад

@@95Gabe Its loud. But I have never owned one that wasnt to be fair. I always wear sound deadening headphones when planing so it's not a big issue. If working, say in your garage then you might have to be on very good terms with the people next door...

@95Gabe 3 года назад

@@Boredofeveryone Thanks for that. I have been thinking a lot about it. What I think I will do is make up a rig which allows me to use my hand planer as a jointer. There are some excellent videos on RU-vid about that. I think that should work for me. The money I save I will put into a better table saw.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Yeah second what Phil has said, its noisy for sure but all planers are unless you end up with a spiral block and induction motor, even then they are fairly noisy things. Definitely use hearing protection. Good luck on the DIY Build...you can always do with a little more towards a table saw 🙂

@flypic1098 2 года назад

Just bought a planer from Screwfix but it's still in the box at another address. Not sure of the make. I won't be impressed if it's like yours though when I do get time to open it. 🤥 Thanks . . . . . Jim

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

Haha good luck, I've spoken to some guys who have had great experiences with them but there seems to be an equal amount who have poor luck. Guess its just how the pack is dealt!

@flypic1098 2 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop Mine is a Titan. I went to Screwfix for some safety boots and remembered I had a discount code if I spent over £100. I'd been thinking of buying a thicknesser for ages but done no research. This one also had extra discount. Ended up I got the boots for free so I hope the thicknesser is a good one. Still not got time to even take it out of the box yet. I should really. Even if it's only to ccheck it over. Just s o o o o o busy at the moment. Jim

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

Apologies Jim, I got hung up with covid which kicked my butt for the last few weeks! Let me know how you get on when you manage to find the time!

@flypic1098 2 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop still in the box. Been too busy with the CNC router and little puppy dog. Don't know how I ever had the time to go to work for all those years.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

🤣 it must be hard being retired? Happy days with the puppy, they bring so much life into your day! What CNC have you got?

@KevinBower-gy5be 4 года назад

I'm a professional joiner and everything I own is pretty much best-in-class after 30 years worth of graft and upgrading. I totally get the fact that low-cost, Chinese-made kit is aimed principally at the DIY guy who just wants to knock up a shelf every six months. But the massive problem I do have with all of this stuff is that there are no spare parts available for virtually every brand, be it Erbauer/Titan/McAllister/Whoever, plus all of the tools sold by Aldi, Lidl etc. So when they break (as they surely will) they don't get fixed - they go straight to scrap or landfill. Tens of thousands of power tools every year, from all over the world - can you imagine size of the pile?. By way of comparison, I own a fair bit of Hilti kit which is now approaching 15 years old, and all of which works just as well as the day I bought it. On the (very rare) occasions that these machines do fail - Hilti still carry the parts and they fix it. From an environmental perspective, there's simply no comparison. Just sayin' .........

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

I think you have hit the nail on the head there to be honest Kevin. One of the biggest issues is that with the build quality that seems to be coming over, the lack of spare parts pretty much means that the machine is for the skip when something goes wrong, which is terrible. We always try to fix anything that breaks before it gets thrown away but sometimes it's just not possible. The need for reliable tools with spares is one of the reasons why we love Axminster tools. Whenever we have had any sort of issue, we call the service department, explain the problem, they identify it and advise us which part we need. This is then sent out to us and we fit it, job done. I have never had a tool fail that couldn't be fixed and back up and running within a couple of days. They don't always have the best tools on the market, and the prices are usually a bit higher than the competition, however the aftersales service is excellent! Regarding Hilti tools, we manufactured some large MDF blanks for Cambridge Uni last summer, the chippy who fitted them only used Hilti tools. I had a play with them and man, those things are super nice. Not flashy or in your face, they just work and work every time. If they made more woodworking tools I would have a pot on the shelf for Hilti money that's for sure! Thanks for the comment and apologies it took a few days to get back to you!

@miller745 4 года назад

I've had the same problem with the drive belt snapping on an an older model Clarke planer thicknesser with the same design as this. Guess they don't learn! Or aren't interested..

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

I would imagine that they aren't interested, which is a shame because with a few small tweaks it could be a good machine. What did you have now?

@miller745 4 года назад

It's a CPT600 got it from Gumtree a few years ago, maybe the seller had the same problem and wanted shot of it! In your vid there is wobble on the top shaft, by chance I noticed today there are 2 set screws up there. One of mine was loose which fixed the wobble! Didn't help with belt tension though, not convinced the belt is taut enough. I'll give you one guess the task I was doing today to notice those set screws! Second time I've replaced the belt with very very little usage.

@rogercheeseman 4 года назад

I also brought a Titan planer/thicknesser, haven't used it yet though.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

How have you been getting on with the Titan?

@rogercheeseman 3 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop I still haven't used it yet, dont even know if I've set it up properly. Being disabled I find it hard to get out in the cold shed to do anything. Like all the rest of my new tools, I haven't used them yet, and I've got so many projects I want to do. I may have to sell them all and bear the loss.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

@@rogercheeseman Sorry to hear that and I don't know your situation BUT Spring will be here before you know it and the weather will warm up. Spend the time planning and preparing as best you can so when it gets here you can crack straight on. There is always a way!

@rogercheeseman 3 года назад

Thanks for the support, I keep thinking of different projects and draw them up and plan them in my sketch book.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

@@rogercheeseman No worries, sometimes that's the only way you can do it. I get frustrated sometimes because the paying work has to take precedence over the projects I want to do and they just keep getting put back, needs to be this way but still frustrating. The best way I have found to deal with it is to make sure I know I can hit the ground moving WHEN the time becomes free for me to do them. Its all planned out, I have all the materials and any tools or bits I will need. Guess it would be the same with you. Like you said, get it all done in a sketch book, try and figure out what problems you might encounter and rinse RU-vid to try and figure those problems out so you can make the best use of your time when you are ready to go!

@andrewfordham5883 4 года назад

Glad I watched! Thanks dude 🙏

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Anytime buddy!

@AngelAsylum78 5 лет назад

Gutted, really wanted to get this one for the size it can do and price.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

Yeah it's a killer really. To be honest, your experience may vary and this was early on in the production. The serial number was 69 so they might have dealt with the issues by now. It's worth remembering that you get what you pay for. I would go for a second hand unit, check out eBay and see what's around. You might get lucky! Good luck!

@DocRonSnyder 4 года назад

I believe there is a great market for this; however, they need to improve on the performance.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Totally agree with you. I think if increased the price by £20 But improved on the QA to ensure the shaft doesn't rub and the pulleys are seating correctly they could sell them with very little issue. Such a shame as the tool has great specs but just let down on the finish!

@arthurrsaker8893 2 года назад

It looks as if that one was thrown together from bits in the reject bin. Or perhaps quality control were all on holiday when that one got through. Anyone know which is the country of origin? Wouldn't be a few thousand miles to the east of the Greenwich Meridien by any chance. . . .would it ?

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

🤣 yes but to be fair, isnt everything made out that way? I really dont know how they allowed it to leave the factory. One thing I have noticed is that Screwfix seem to use the cheaper tools as like loss leaders and the profit margins on them must be huge because there is a very high return rate. Im guessing they have a business model which works on a limited amount of use and people either not bothering with the returns or the warranty periods running out. The reviews on the website speak wonders. It is interesting though as Ive spoken to people on FB who love theirs and use it all the time 🤷‍♂️

@davefreeman6778 5 лет назад

Really disappointed to see, however I am pleased that I did see it before purchasing one. Now reconsidering secondhand.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

Apologies Dave, I didn't see that you have written a comment. What did you go for in the end? I think these are alright I guess if your only going to use it once in a blue moon but you get what you pay for to a certain extent!

@davefreeman6778 5 лет назад

@@@TheNaturalWorkshop I decided on the Triton TPT125. in my budget as I didn't trust myself not to buy a dud secondhand. Also tried twice the Titan from Screwfix but gave up on that one.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

Ah Happy days. I've seen alot of people who are very happy with that model. Good choice!

@alanscott5942 4 года назад

Appreciate the critique intrested in this model and have seen other reviews where it has been shown in a more favourable light, could be as you've pointed out that you could have purchased a dodgy one would be intrested in your views on how Screwfix have resolved this? Thanks for sharing 👍👍

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hi, screwfix were great. We took it in and they have us a refund without any objection. In terms of us having a dodgy one, I think we did to a certain extent however the machine just isn't geared up to do what it does. The belt tearing is a common fault and I had a read through of the screwfix reviews and it seemed to be more common than people seem to think. I would reccomend saving up some more money if at all possible and go for a second hand 260mm sheppach or something equivalent!

@alanscott5942 4 года назад

Many thanks for the reply much appreciated 👍👍

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@alanscott5942 not a problem. Good luck with whatever you choose!

@surreyarborist 4 года назад

Thanks for the heads up did you get your money back. Another example of a big company not on top of their social media and can't be bothered.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hey, yes we did get our money back. Thankyou! Its a shame as I think the tool has potential but it's just been let down by poor Q&A. Screwfix were great and didnt have an issue with the refund. 100% not on their social media and I think they are missing a big trick. The companies that make it in the next 5-10 years will be the ones who use the platform. Those that don't, won't. Mainstream media is dying and social media/RU-vid is where its at and there isn't any way to get around it. People hate on influencers but I would rather get my advice on a tool from someone with 5k followers who works in the business and knows the game as opposed to seeing it on a TV show where its clearly scripted but that might just be me! Have a great day!

@Amanda-ev1xz 5 лет назад

@TheNaturalWorkshop Hi I was wondering if you have decided on a different planer/thicknesser yet? I am just starting out and would appreciate some advice - I was thinking about this or charnwood. I need as decent a machine as I can get for a decent price as I am disabled and trying to plane on the table saw with a jig isn’t working out! Thanks!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

Hey Amanda, thanks for watching! I've not seen the Chrnwood so couldn't comment, sorry. I have feeling that it will be pretty much the same looking at the design online. If I were you I would try and look for one of the 2nd hand sheppach units. They normally go for between £250 and 350. From what ive seen they tend to be alot better built but you need to make sure as it will be second hand. The other option is get something like a triton thicknesser and use a sled or spend a little more and move to the Axminster hobby range. The Axminster stuff is great gear.

@Amanda-ev1xz 5 лет назад

TheNaturalWorkshop Thanks for replying! I was thinking about Scheppach actually, as well as Sip 8x8. Although someone at a shop asked me if I had thought about the Fox 10x5 planer/thicknesser- have you seen those? Sorry for the questions!!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

The fox doesn't seem to be too bad to be honest but again, I think it's the same sort of job as the others. It is alot more expensive than the Erbauer so I would hope that the internals are alot better. Maybe try and have a Google to see if you can see one with the side off and see if it looks the same as this one!

@sandman2651 2 года назад

You cant fault screwfix i bought one of these and it was swapped 3 times with the same fault infeed and outfeed not level and no way to adjust so on my 4th machine i asked for a refund which they did.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

Haha yeah thats terrible and awesome at the same time. I looked at some of those "Pallet auction" houses and they would sell Erbaurer and Titan returns by the pallet load. I did debate buying a few pallets and seeing if I could make some good machines out of the spares lol. Good to hear that you got it sorted in the end 👍🏼

@mattyburrows9059 3 года назад

this looks similar to the clarke..ive been looking at the orange triton but a recommendation would be great

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Hey, apologies as I didnt see this for some reason! How did you get on with a purchase? Did you get the triton in the end?

@mattyburrows9059 3 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop nope..the surface planer they do is only 6 inch wide so defeats the object of the excercise as i needed it to be 7 for guitar bodies..using the thicknesser by itself without squaring 2 edges will just flatten the piece as it goes through the machine and then will curl up again ..im told they are doing an 8 inch but im waiting for axminister to get stock in..whichever comes first both have 3 year warranty and axminister do parts .i couldnt be doing with one of these cheap disposable machines...i will also be getting a drum sander from them....it costs alot to get square wood doesnt it..lol..i wanted a gibson sg guitar then saw all the issues they have..so i want to make one..but properly.with a multi laminated neck and a volute..so all in all this approach is a little bit more expensive..but ive got the machines to do it again and again..im sure if i sold a guitar it would more than pay for it all

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

@@mattyburrows9059 Haha welcome to my world buddy, tools are ridiculously expensive, especially when you start looking at the more industrial kit. You can make sleds to help deal with the curve and they work BUT it all depends on how much you are going to use it. When we started needing to join alot of boards it just made so much more sense for us to buy a proper planer. Did you see the video I made on the Lumberjack one? Its not a bad unit at all for the money! I do like Axminster though and the aftersales is worth a huge amount of money when something does go wrong and don't let others tell you differently, all tools go wrong at some point lol. We have a bunch of Axminster trade tools, I really need to get some reviews done on them! That's a good attitude to have by the way, once you have the tools you can make as many as you have time for!

@mattyburrows9059 3 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop love to see the reviews while i wait for stock to arrive from axminister..i have this attitude with everything..buy the best you can afford..try and cut corners and you buy twice..dont get me wrong..i dont buy over priced stuff because it has a so called name..thats why im not buying a gibson guitar lol

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Lol, a Gibson is not cheap so build your own seems a better option lol. Yeah man, Ive tried to go cheap and every single time it bites me in the butt...I should know better! Totally hear you on the brands. I buy Axminster because I can trust their tools and aftersales but if a better option comes along then so be it.

@rebornspawn Год назад

I have the titan version of this machine. Has exactly the same problems. I have had mine for about 10 years. Wait until the rollers just stop feeding at different rates creating major snipe and stop halfway through the machine. I would not recommend this machine to anyone. No matter the brand that is on it. Check the planer bed. They are not inline with eachother. In the time I've had it, I have never used the top! Fence is all over the place and flimsy, couple that with the top that isnt flat and your asking to have your fingers taken off. Trust me 😅. My recommendation is to save a little more money and be patient. Do not purchase this machine. SIP, TITAN, ERBAUER AND 2 other brands I cant remember the name of all put their name on this machine. Avoid all.

@TheNaturalWorkshop Год назад

Sorry to hear you have had problems with it, I have had so much hate on the video lol. Mine was a piece of trash, as you can see from the video 😁 I totally agree with your viewpoint, save the money and buy a better machine!

@johnroberts3723 Год назад

Cheap is dear!.

@TheNaturalWorkshop Год назад

Not always but definitely in this case!

@Lord-Panda2112 11 месяцев назад

So, your complaint is that it’s cheap? Did the price point not give that away?

@TheNaturalWorkshop 11 месяцев назад

🤣 Is that what I said? The complaint was how poorly made it was and the lack of QA at the factory. I've spoken to many people who have had the same, or similar issues.

@dap2112 4 года назад

I just bought the Triton from screwfix and after two passes the same thing has happened to mine, drive belt snapped and loads of smoke, very peed off , they are collecting it on Monday :(

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hi Dave, Gutted to hear that. Was it the 204mm unit? Mind me asking what thickness and stock material it was that you were trying to plane? Clearly this is a major issue and one they don't seem too concerned about dealing with by the looks of it!

@dap2112 4 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop yes it was and I was planing about half a mill off a slimmed down scaffold bored (18 cm width), I opened the side panel and one of the chain links was seazed no movement whatsoever, I will let you know how the replacement goes gotta laugh :)

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@dap2112 wounded, maybe it would work if it was 18mm not 180mm wide lol. Had the chain been oiled at all? I look forward to hearing how you get on mate.

@dap2112 4 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop Hi Mate [sorry about delay in replying, my planer was collected Monday before last and I got my replacement on Friday, I have done all you said and Ta Da it all works... I have made a coffee table out of scaffold and I am very impressed with it. Thanks for everything mate, I think these things due to size and config are actually not tested at the factory, this could be why so many are escaping quality control as you said we are quality control. Cheers and with all the crap going on right now stay safe mate :)

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@dap2112 Nice one mate. Apologies for me not getting back to you, we have been all over the place with managing the business during these trying times! That's great to hear that you managed to get all sorted as well as getting a Coffee table built, awesome news! A Lot of people seem to have a fair bit of spare time on their hands right now for some reason lol. You take of yourself too mate, trying times but we will get through it :-D

@peterlatham8603 3 года назад

I would think it's operator error, trying to take too much off at once.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

Thanks, if you check through the comments and reviews on Screwfix.com its a fairly common occurrence. Seems to be a lack of QS and poor quality parts which would contribute to the lower cost of the product.

@gregdobson6452 4 года назад

The only machine of this style worth buying is the Scheppach 1070 about £450

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Have you got one? I Would be interested in seeing a couple of pictures of the internals if you fancied sending them over!

@gregdobson6452 4 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop Sorry no, I found an Axminster 12" on ebay cheap , so I took a deep breath and bought that .

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@gregdobson6452 ah no worries. It was worth a try lol. I want to get hold of one to review but its ALOT of money to shell out for something just to review it!

@peterfitzpatrick7032 4 года назад

Peter Millard only recently bought one... and his on/off switch didn't hold "on" ... 🙄😒 I was in the market for one, but this is not it... 🤬 I've subbed & liked ... 😎👍☘🍺

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks Peter! We have been super busy these last few months but the end is in sight now so hoping to get a few more reviews out on workshop kit. The price point seems amazing but the more I chat to people the better off I think we were getting a refund!

@AlisonWheeler 4 года назад

I too saw Peter's piece yesterday but having already seen many comments about early breakdowns I've still not bought one even though I've been wanting a planer/thicknesser for over a year. Price points are all very well but the product still needs to work!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@AlisonWheeler and this is the issue we have. We run a workshop and couldn't really care if the tool is shiny, has a green F on the side or is a Screwfix special. It just has to work and the price has to be right. If it is going to break down in the middle of a job, that will cost us a few days which just isn't acceptable for us. The price difference is huge between quality levels so we though we would try it but you live and learn!

@NeillRobinson 4 года назад

TheNaturalWorkshop Just curious did you get another of the same as a replacement or did you go for something different? If so what did you get? And if replaced with another, how has it been running? Am in the market for a jointer planer myself so would be useful info!

@patrickflanagan8008 7 месяцев назад

Oh dear :(

@TheNaturalWorkshop 7 месяцев назад

I know! Terrible!

@michaellionart4841 4 года назад

Hi. Do you have an update on this as I am interested in obtaining some such machine. Thank you

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Hey Michael, we sent ours back and didn't bother with it in the end. If you have a read of some of the comments below it looks like its potluck most of the time as to whether you end up with a lemon or a unit which is manageable. I would recommend trying to find something second hand and see what you can come up with. There are bargains to be had out there! Is it a duel unit you are looking for? What will be the main purpose of it?

@michaellionart4841 4 года назад

TheNaturalWorkshop Thank you for replying. I too have seen many mixed reviews. Planing/flattening/smoothing I guess. I’m just finishing some work benches and it would’ve been great to have a “perfect”work surface. Woodworking generally is new to me.

@michaellionart4841 4 года назад

TheNaturalWorkshop the Triton TPT 125 thicknesser seems to get good reviews. It doesn’t do the edges but may be worth looking at. Cheers Michael

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@michaellionart4841 Hi Michael, the Triton is very good for the price and I think you would be hard pressed to find something cheaper. We use one in our professional workshop and get on great with it. There are a couple of issues which I am hoping to cover in a new video at some point when we have the time however without spending a huge amount of money, this is the best option.

@michaellionart4841 4 года назад

TheNaturalWorkshop - sound. That’s that sorted thank you

@piggybakkers 4 года назад

I had exactly the same model. Lasted 45 seconds and the pulley shaft at the top completely sheared. Got my money back but they are crap! AVOID!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Yeah that doesn't surprise me at all!! Such a shame as with a little care they could be very capable machines!

@markywellsboy2182 3 года назад

Buy good. Buy once.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

100% Buy once, cry once is another one lol

@PhilsWorkshop1953 4 года назад

That is exactly the same as the Titan but yours is fifty pounds more interesting

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

The titan is 204mm and the Erbauer is 250mm. I have a feeling that in reality, I wouldn't want to push the Erbauer over 200mm as its just not built for it. It is a real shame as with a couple of small changes, they could have a really good machine for the home gamer market but I guess its profit before sense. I have been meaning to pick up the Titan to open it up and see whats going on but not had a chance just yet! Maybe another day!

@garethheathcote4988 4 года назад

Such a shame as if it had been at least half decent I. Would have bought one, ah well.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Totally agree! For such a small additional outlay in terms of good quality parts or a little bit of QA time in the factory, they could have a real giant slayer on their hands. Think its clear I guess where they are at!

@keithhooper6123 5 месяцев назад

You won't get £500 quality for £250.Look for a used higher end machine.Have a Titan and a Kity ,myself.

@kevinshort3943 4 года назад

"2 minutes of QA'ing at the factory" One of the reasons these cheap Chineses things are cheap is, because you are the QA! They save costs by not having Quality Assurance, you just have to keep sending them back till you get a good one.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

I understand what your saying but when we buy something it should be good to go, that's the rule. Sending them back until you get a good one is fine I guess if you aren't shirt on time or have a deadline to meet but that's not usually the case. It's also difficult when you live miles from the local screwfix and a return via courier can take days yo get sorted. We brought a faulty Triton thicknesser online for local store pickup. - Drove to the store and it hasn't arrived. - They cancelled the order and arranged one for home delivery - This unit was then damaged so we asked if we could pick up a new one at the store and were told no, they had to have the old one back and the only way they could send one to the store was if we brought another unit. - Brought ANOTHER unit online and then took the old one back for a refund. This took days, if you have a limited time in the workshop this just isn't acceptable and until people tell them it isn't they will just continue to do it and it's wrong. Ask people if they would be happy to spend another £20 to guarantee that the product will work out of the box and most would say yes.

@kevinshort3943 4 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop "Ask people if they would be happy to spend another £20 to guarantee that the product will work out of the box and most would say yes." Until it came time to pay, then they would go with the £20 cheaper one. Plus 99% of people don't know that's why it's cheaper. I'm not saying it's right (I have experienced this elsewhere, and it really p's me off), but it's the price we pay for cheap. If you want to avoid the QA lottery, buy a quality product and pay the quality price. we can't have it both ways :(

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@kevinshort3943 Yeah I fully understand what your saying. It winds me up as well, my thoughts are that if your going to do a job, then do it properly and do it right first time. However they are clearly working to a price. We try to buy quality where we can but I do think there is a place for cheap tools. I think I might do some tear downs of the usual cheapo screwfix tools in the future and see if its the same across the board. I would be really interested in to have the Erbauer, Titan and Sheppach units side by side as they all look similar and see what the internals are like. See what the difference we are getting for in the different price points. Best get saving I guess lol!

@kevinshort3943 4 года назад

@@TheNaturalWorkshop I think they are the same, made in the same factory - just a different colour and badge.

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@@kevinshort3943 Yeah that's the same thought I was having to be honest. I would be interested if they maybe solved teh QA issues OR if they were using better parts etc. I think it would be an interesting video for sure! By the way, thanks for taking the interest in the video and the conversation, its very much appreciated!

@Bingbadaboom1977 5 лет назад

What have you done since, replacement or gone with a different model?

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

Hey, we spoke to a bunch of people who seemed to think that we had a lemon but they had some of the same issues, just not as pronounced. We took it back, got a refund and are looking for a decent second hand unit now. We will stay away from erbauer in the future!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

@nasser d it is a real shame. I think with a little more Q&A they could be a really good quality machine but as it stands they don't seem to be. The triton planer is a good quality machine but we did go through two before we had one we could use. QA issues again!

@JIMMIX7 2 года назад

I have the Scheppach model of this and I had a snapped belt too and to be honest it is absolutly rubbish, cheap and nasty. I havent used it for 2+ years and am ashamed to try and sell it. Rubbish, Save your money and get a much more robust one !!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

Yeah I have a couple of tools like that. Don't want them but don't want to push them on anyone else...I guess all you can do is be honest. I quite often buy tools that are falling to bits or no one wants and then fix them. Totally agree with saving money and buying a quality tool, its the best way forward!

@geoffsutton3157 2 года назад

Expecting a Rolls Royce machine, for Trabant money says more about you than the machine.......

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

That I expect a machine to work? 🤣 I dont think its asking too much to be honest. Using the car analogy, even when spending pennies (in comparison to a RR) on something like a Dacia there is still an expectation that it will drive, turn, accelerate, break etc and not fail within the first few 1000 miles. In all honesty if it failed within the first 50k I would be kicking off, wouldnt you?

@neilmunro4565 5 лет назад

SHoddy

@TheNaturalWorkshop 5 лет назад

Very much so! We understood that it was a cheaper product but the lack of QA was ridiculous. The casting damage in the metal pulley was unbelievable!

@krzysztofgrzyb6095 2 года назад

straszna lipa spalil sie silnik po roku i zatarlo sie male lozysko szmelc nie polecam

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

100% agree!

@mistsmogguru8378 2 года назад

Heard a few things about these. Cheap rubbish

@TheNaturalWorkshop 2 года назад

Yeah they aren't the best in my opinion to be honest. I would love to get my hands on a new one to see if they are any different!

@johannmendelsohn6365 3 года назад

Mostly crap!

@TheNaturalWorkshop 3 года назад

The planer or my video? lol

@nigelmurray6197 4 года назад

If you are not happy stop whining and take it back and go an buy something else

@TheNaturalWorkshop 4 года назад

Thanks for the reply Nigel, a great help! I think you may have missed the point of the video, the point being to show others the poor quality of the materials used in the design along with the lack of QA/QCing in the factory.