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@browdser
@browdser 2 года назад
The timer idea is SO INSANELY BAD I can't believe it happened. The absolute last thing you want to remind your audience of is passing time
@moaningpheromones
@moaningpheromones 2 года назад
Agree - the dumbest idea especially a sitcom. This reply will end in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
@Dreadjaws
@Dreadjaws 2 года назад
Not even 24 pulled that, and the whole premise of the show was that it happened in real time. Sure, you'd ocassionally see a ticking clock, but not all the time.
@trueblade3636
@trueblade3636 2 года назад
Just put clocks with the time in the show as a kind of a gimmick / 'easter egg' Then you still have the 'timer-idee'
@JiuJitsuGuy24
@JiuJitsuGuy24 2 года назад
Yeah, 24 really messed up there. 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
@zg-it
@zg-it 2 года назад
Remind me of when Fox put a highlighter on a hockey puck.
@wvu05
@wvu05 2 года назад
"The network expected _Seinfeld_ numbers from the beginning." The irony of that statement is it took _Seinfeld_ four seasons to become a hit. In fact, Larry David wrote the season two finale expecting that to be the series finale.
@bernlin2000
@bernlin2000 2 года назад
Kinda blows my mind they didn't give these actors full seasons just to feel out the audience. Seriously, Seinfeld was the biggest cash cow of the 90s for network television, then suddenly there's no money for a potential sequel? Stupid management.
@wvu05
@wvu05 2 года назад
@@pashadyne Okay, what difference do you see in the choice of preposition?
@wvu05
@wvu05 2 года назад
@@pashadyne I'd argue that 8, 5, and 10 episodes really aren't time to expect something to find an audience.
@wvu05
@wvu05 2 года назад
@@pashadyne This was the pre-streaming world. Even given Fox's reputation for pulling the plug quickly, they gave _Arrested Development_ 53 episodes, and _Andy Richter Controls the Universe_ 19 episodes. The stronger networks often gave shows a chance if they believed in the work. _Cheers_ was one of the biggest hits of the 1980s, but it finished near the bottom of the ratings its first year. Think of all the great shows we would have missed on if they got the plug pulled because they weren't big hits within the first few episodes.
@wvu05
@wvu05 2 года назад
@@pashadyne You may be right about expecting a built-in audience, but I'd be more concerned if ratings dropped after charging hard out of the gate. The ratings do look like they fell of a cliff for _The Michael Richards Show_ (which I personally think suffered because the ads showed him dancing in an outfit and hairstyle that looked like it went full Kramer, so people were probably disappointed that they didn't get it). I couldn't find the numbers for _Bob Patterson,_ and _Watching Ellie_ seemed all over the place. So, I will grant that maybe the plug was pulled fairly for the first attempt to break the _Seinfeld_ curse.
@jswets5007
@jswets5007 2 года назад
Seinfeld was the show that tricked you into thinking it was about nothing. In fact, the only thing it wasn't about was the growth of the characters.
@DenkyManner
@DenkyManner 2 года назад
That's true of all sitcoms week to week. I guess the difference is Seinfeld dispensed with the bs learning moment at the end of each individual episode that was a hallmark of mainstream American TV. Even Southpark can't resist having a lesson at the end.
@TheJillers
@TheJillers 2 года назад
Growth?
@jswets5007
@jswets5007 2 года назад
@@TheJillers Emotional and spiritual growth, people learning lessons and becoming different than they were before or at least living in a different situation (married as opposed to single). The show ended with the exact same joke as it began with; that button is in the worst place. Most shows the characters grow, not just physically age, but change a little. Even if every week they learn a new lesson and then next week it is forgot, they grew during the episode. That never happened on Seinfeld. On Seinfeld, everyone was the same person at ever second of the show.
@TheJillers
@TheJillers 2 года назад
@@jswets5007 sorry I misread the "wasn't" as "was" and was like "those misanthropes never grew as humans"
@jswets5007
@jswets5007 2 года назад
@@TheJillers oh lol, it happens. That's what I like about curb, it's the show Larry David always wanted to make. I think Larry's character is actually regressing. 😂
@JeonardShadby505
@JeonardShadby505 2 года назад
I remember how hyped this show was in Entertainment Weekly, since the real time format was used so effectively on 24 around that time. But between the low ratings and creative rejiggering, it died a slow and painful death instead. At least Julia found far greener pastures on VEEP and beyond.
@jdtroup198683
@jdtroup198683 2 года назад
Is this the same Jesse from Awfully Good Movie I remember it too that show had Steve Carell
@111highgh
@111highgh 2 года назад
"Rejiggering" is not a word.
@Yophillips3272
@Yophillips3272 2 года назад
@@111highgh I think he said it as a slang term. To re Jerry rig something. And as in Jerry he means Jerry Seinfeld. That's actually really clever. 👏 Also rejiggering is a word.
@sugreev2001
@sugreev2001 2 года назад
I've saved many issues of EW from the late 90's to around 2008 or so, and I remember this issue so clearly. Julia looked so hot on the cover lol.
@DrunkenSlob
@DrunkenSlob 2 года назад
Veep is a great show
@stproducciones9140
@stproducciones9140 Год назад
the three shows oddly feel like they were thought up by the seinfeld characters themselves. Kramer's is a weird nonsensical project involving detective work that eventually failed spectacularly George's is the laziest of the three, just trying to continue what he was doing in seinfeld and changing little Elaine's is well thought up and more high concept, but nonetheless blew up in her face despite her best intentions.
@childofnature4402
@childofnature4402 2 года назад
I would love a Forgotten Failures on "Joey". So much hype for a thoroughly mediocre show. Friends continues to be wildly popular and yet Joey has seemingly been wiped from our collective consciousness.
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 2 года назад
Joey is only brought up when mentioning terrible spinoffs.
@ianfinrir8724
@ianfinrir8724 2 года назад
I remember watching it when it came out and then it was gone and I never thought about it again until reading your comment.
@childofnature4402
@childofnature4402 2 года назад
@@ianfinrir8724I watched the first couple of eps when they aired but quickly lost interest. Like so many spin-offs, you quickly realise that a great ensemble cast, where no single character is allowed to be overexposed, is what made the original show work. I think a spin off with any of the Friends characters would've failed for that very reason. Phoebe's kookiness works for 10 minutes an episode, but 30 would be pushing it.
@calebmarmon1310
@calebmarmon1310 2 года назад
I will second a bonus episode for Joey. Or a spin-off for Friends curse… if that was a thing.
@54NELA
@54NELA 2 года назад
I wish friends could be wiped from our collective consciousness.
@evangray7449
@evangray7449 2 года назад
The timer idea is nuts. To viewers, it signals "come back in 22 minutes, when what we are counting down to is on!".
@GregorBarclay
@GregorBarclay 2 года назад
Agree 100% - it reads like a countdown to something else entirely. Was there an actual purpose to the timer here? Was it connected to something on the show? Otherwise you might as well have just left the timecode on the raw footage for all it adds to the programme.
@davidl570
@davidl570 2 года назад
To say the timer thing was a VERY bad idea would be an understatement. Must give Julia and Brad credit for trying something different though!
@texasyojimbo
@texasyojimbo 2 года назад
I didn't watch the show, so forgive me if this was the original concept, but: Maybe what they could have done is "fast forward" during commercial breaks, so that only the parts between commercials are in real time. So if there was some boring crap stringing together the good scenes, they can just say "8 hours passed during commercials" or whatever. And then each show would really be like a three act play in three 7 minute acts.
@TheAmandaTaylor
@TheAmandaTaylor 2 года назад
@@texasyojimbo I really like this idea of three 7 minute acts having time pass between commercials really can cut down boring shots
@trueblade3636
@trueblade3636 2 года назад
Just put clocks in the show as a kind of a gimmick / 'easter egg'
@Mattfromthepast
@Mattfromthepast 2 года назад
Here is what I would do with this format, every story ends with some sort of big hilarious mishap that out of context makes no sense, each episode starts with the mishap and then flashes back 22 minutes to explain how the characters got into the situation to begin with. The ticking clock then become a countdown to disaster and that gives the show a format that is easily explained to viewers and can become a hook while keeping the stories and comedy focused on the big laugh that bookends each episode.
@dreadz3758
@dreadz3758 2 года назад
Great idea. Some else mentioned 24 coming out around the same time and using a similar "clock ticking down" format. The reason your idea works so well, and similarly the reason 24 worked so well in that format, is because the clock is ticking down to something significant happening. There are big stakes, which creates suspense for the viewer. In "Ellie" it's literally just a clock ticking down until the show ends. With no real purpose for the clock, the viewer might find themselves thinking, "This is boring, I wonder how long until it's over?"
@Mattfromthepast
@Mattfromthepast 2 года назад
@@dreadz3758 Yeah, exactly. If you are going to have the ticking clock the network insisted on it has to be building to something or it is just reminding the viewers that they are watching a show and taking them out of it.
@eatatjoes6751
@eatatjoes6751 2 года назад
That's what I expected.
@joyfulgirl40018
@joyfulgirl40018 2 года назад
That's actually a great idea. You should've written for the show.
@d.b.scoville
@d.b.scoville 2 года назад
That’s essentially how Curb works they just dont show you the mishap at the start
@Ogaitnas900
@Ogaitnas900 2 года назад
They're all good actors and entertainers, to me these clearly failed because of the attempts at Seinfeld. This one was really ahead of it's time in a lot of ways.
@Chaoitcme
@Chaoitcme 2 года назад
Except for the second season which turned an interesting show into a shitty sitcom.
@worsethanhitlerpt.2539
@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 6 месяцев назад
I like looking at Julia Dreyfus as much as anyone but this show was so fuckin terrible not even she could justify sitting thru it damn I can watch Will and Grace, which is grating as hell, because Debra Messing and Megan Mulaly are hot as fuck so this shows how bad Ellie is
@VideoGameAutopsy
@VideoGameAutopsy 2 года назад
I don't begrudge the actors for their post-Seinfeld shows failing, I begrudge the networks. The networks were trying so hard to keep the spirit of Seinfeld alive that they completely forgot that their lead actors are talented, and do have a wide range outside of comedy. Aside from Jerry, Julia was always the one who was going to have a career outside of Seinfeld. Jason fluctuates between Broadway and the small screen every now and then, and Michael's getting by with his comedy. It's just a shame that no one at the networks could see the actor, they only saw the character.
@judee.caulfield6386
@judee.caulfield6386 2 года назад
underrated comment
@4seeableTV
@4seeableTV 11 месяцев назад
Well, the actors involved COULD have said no. But they didn't. So they do indeed share the blame.
@kamenanew9867
@kamenanew9867 5 месяцев назад
​@@4seeableTVya ever had a job? Saying no I won't do that means no work at all. Lotta times ya just gotta do the best you can at a job that may be crummy. Work is how we sustain life n junk.
@ryank6322
@ryank6322 4 месяца назад
You can just tell that the networks were trying SO HARD to typecast these poor actors. 😔
@mst3kanita
@mst3kanita 2 года назад
I remember when Steve Carell took time off from daily show to be on this show! I was so sad when they changed the format tho
@bernlin2000
@bernlin2000 2 года назад
Seems like it could have been a good fit on HBO and the like, but not good for network TV at the time. I would argue it wasn't until "Scrubs" that single-camera audience-less sitcoms really took off. "Watching Elle" was somehow too late (from the potential Seinfeld boost) and too soon at the same time. I never knew it even existed until today lol, always thought "Christine" was Julia's first sitcom after Seinfeld 😂
@SamAronow
@SamAronow 2 года назад
@@bernlin2000 It was _Malcolm in the Middle,_ then _Scrubs,_ and after that we were off to the races.
@ftjm69
@ftjm69 2 года назад
Elaine broke the curse with The New Adventures of Old Christine
@fartholemechanic9252
@fartholemechanic9252 2 месяца назад
Great show
@Transmission_Rory
@Transmission_Rory 2 года назад
_"Okay, okay, hear me out. My character is a therapist, living in the city, but I'm married ... to an Elephant."_ - Julia Louis Dreyfus in 'Now it's just getting sad'.
@DrAg-ez3ps
@DrAg-ez3ps 2 года назад
The best line is what the elephant says last: "It actually gets very watchable"
@sumthingwikked4257
@sumthingwikked4257 2 года назад
@@DrAg-ez3ps Elephant's Wife: YOU WOULD BELIEVE THAT, HERMAN!
@Jays_dead_cat
@Jays_dead_cat 6 месяцев назад
New Adventures of Old Christine broke her curse.
@shinyagumon7015
@shinyagumon7015 2 года назад
Watching Ellie Season 1 sounds like a great concept that was hindered by it's execution. 22 minutes is way to short for such a concept and doesn't allow it to tell interesting stories, the show is basically over before the plot can really take off.
@TheJillers
@TheJillers 2 года назад
I honestly really love this concept and think it was ahead of it's time. Imagine if there was a RU-vid series that was 22 minutes in a life Or else a series of vignettes as a staged play. But I don't think TV was the right medium for this type of storytelling.
@princejellyfish3945
@princejellyfish3945 2 года назад
I think it might’ve worked if you went full farce a la something like Fawlty Towers. But you’re right that 22 minutes is just too short for comedic situations to unfold properly in real time.
@penske_material
@penske_material 2 года назад
a concept like this is perfect for a streaming service. The could make each episode as long as the story required it to, 22 min, 30 mins, 45 mins, etc they wouldn't rely on a specific time
@andrewnicon
@andrewnicon 5 месяцев назад
in my case, the show would just be me reading a magazine and dropping a deuce
@Howitgoes799
@Howitgoes799 5 месяцев назад
An anthology series that features this concept would be cool.
@teppeiando
@teppeiando 2 года назад
The Seinfeld clips are kinda distracting while talking about the show in question
@ThatJohnKillion1970
@ThatJohnKillion1970 2 года назад
I for one am more than happy to hear that loud, obnoxious canned laughter slowly being killed off in the newer comedies.
@tboyd5150
@tboyd5150 2 года назад
It is the only good thing about today's sitcoms.
@user-vi4xy1jw7e
@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 года назад
Same
@user-vi4xy1jw7e
@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 года назад
@@tboyd5150 lol wut. There are plenty of good things about today's sitcoms.
@SS-yw7vo
@SS-yw7vo 2 года назад
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e example?
@Yophillips3272
@Yophillips3272 2 года назад
Some of my favorite shows have canned laughter. Well it could be studio audience too.
@MangaMattReviews
@MangaMattReviews 2 года назад
How about the failed spin-offs from “Married...with children?” They actually dedicated episodes of the show to make them fully fledged pilots of other shows. Imagine if The Michael Richards show, watching Ellie, and Bob Patterson all had their pilots IN episodes of Seinfeld slotted in their planned episodes. Crazy to think about.
@CR4ZYeyes
@CR4ZYeyes 2 года назад
The difference is the Married With Children backdoor pilots were true spinoffs while the shows featured in this series aren't. It would be strange to have the main actors playing completely different characters on the same show as a way to sell a show that isn't actually a spinoff.
@bernlin2000
@bernlin2000 2 года назад
Yeah, the timing was off, that's almost certainly true. They should have been prepping in that last season but of course that would have tampered with the integrity of the show. Married with Children is a very conventional sitcom compared to Seinfeld, it was more natural to slot what is essentially a "promo episode". It would have been laughably transparent on Seinfeld, I suspect.
@loginregional
@loginregional 2 года назад
Matt LeBlanc is cursing you at this very moment.
@K37-h1z
@K37-h1z 2 года назад
What other back door pilots have there been? The married with children episode that confused me as far as that goes is the radio free Tremaine episode. The verduccis episode never fit
@randomguyontheinternet7940
@randomguyontheinternet7940 2 года назад
I would've loved to see Seinfeld mock the idea of sitcom spin-offs in an episode.
@thealchemist51
@thealchemist51 2 года назад
The series reminds me of one of the best Mash episodes Lifetime. It was an episode where a wounded soldier came in and was bleeding so profusely he was even getting through the pressure bandage Hawkeye stop the bleeding by compressing the aorta against the soldiers spine but if they didn’t get the blood flowing within 20 minutes he could risk permanent Paralysis. Hawkeye asked the time the chopper pilot gave it and as soon as that started a little clock running in real time appeared on the lower left-hand side of the screen. Even when he went to commercial the clock is still ticking it’s considered a famous episode and I can see if she’ll revolving around something like that if done correctly
@TheRealMonkeyrogue
@TheRealMonkeyrogue 2 года назад
I think if you had a show based on Emergency Response that did sort of thing, it would elevate the drama. Man what an episode too.
@sofakingonmynuts1438
@sofakingonmynuts1438 2 года назад
In the early 2000s my dad would watch mash constantly, I would complain about the "loud" intro or how I'm sure he has seen every episode, man I judged a "book by its cover" with such disrespect, I am so glad I just shut up and watched this masterpiece, sometimes embarrassingly fighting back tears.
@moaningpheromones
@moaningpheromones 2 года назад
Yeah MASH was very, very, very good though. It worked when they did it. One episode, sure. They didn't say - yeah we'll base the whole season on a real time clock.
@chriscreaturo8809
@chriscreaturo8809 6 месяцев назад
And then JLD said fuck you guys with VEEP, such a great show. New adventures of old Christine was pretty decent too
@michaelglatt100
@michaelglatt100 2 года назад
Julia Louis-Dreyfus clearly had the most success post Seinfeld in terms of sitcoms. Watching Ellie didn’t work out, but at least had a fair amount of episodes. Plus she did The New Adventures of Old Christine which ran for a while as well as Veep.
@bellotaguerrero
@bellotaguerrero 2 года назад
And veep was fantastic
@MariaMaria-sr8zg
@MariaMaria-sr8zg 2 года назад
I really enjoyed The New Adventures of Old Christine in reruns. Most of the characters were fairly funny.
@CarryTheThree
@CarryTheThree 2 года назад
@@MariaMaria-sr8zg Yeah that was my show too..
@CarryTheThree
@CarryTheThree 2 года назад
Curb but yeah out of the 4
@audiosurfarchive
@audiosurfarchive 2 года назад
Veep has gotta be one of the GOATs. So goddamn great; anytime I see particularly loony news articles, it reminds me that we ARE in Veep.
@bernlin2000
@bernlin2000 2 года назад
Always going to be hard to top the greatest sitcom of all time. Impossible, really. Julia certainly did the best job at breaking the "curse" (I wouldn't consider Larry David to be a part of that, as a writer), with "Christine" as a genuinely successful, stereotypical multi-camera live audience sitcom. She didn't try to replicate the comedy of Seinfeld, and Veep also had a unique (and decidedly more "British", dry sense of humor) comedic take that ensured that "Elaine" would not be remembered for a singular character, unlike her counterparts on the show.
@Afroofthenight
@Afroofthenight 2 года назад
I remember Jason Alexander in Duckman
@rafal3912
@rafal3912 2 года назад
Agreed
@JazzyUte
@JazzyUte 2 года назад
Christine was really way better than it had any business being with how painfully generic much of the premise was. But Julia did a fantastic job and funnily enough, you can see a lot of her Selina character in Christine.
@pholly
@pholly 2 года назад
This seems like it was a good idea with poor execution, I'd actually like to watch this unlike the previous "Seinfeld Curse Files" shows.
@heisensaul5538
@heisensaul5538 2 года назад
This show actually seemed interesting and then they went and ruined it with a laugh track and turning it into just another sitcom.
@lorenzomagazzeni5425
@lorenzomagazzeni5425 2 года назад
Tell me about it, I loved it until they started with the canned laughter Ciao
@tyjuarez
@tyjuarez 7 месяцев назад
Dreyfus seemed to have a deep understanding the nuances of what made Seinfeld a good fit for her and how to adapt those strengths to a new show. I'm glad that Veep ended up being a success that went on multiple seasons.
@RoeLuv1
@RoeLuv1 6 месяцев назад
Julia has had so much post-Seinfeld success, I don’t even remember Watching Ellie
@frankmartin182
@frankmartin182 6 месяцев назад
'Veep' was an all-time classic. Stacked cast, great writing- abso hilarious show.
@dannigro8794
@dannigro8794 6 месяцев назад
That’s because in 2006 old Christine broke the Seinfeld curse and I remember it was such a big deal when that show was on because everybody thought maybe it was just gonna last only one season but it lasted five and 88 episodes because it found its groove. And then veep did its own thing on HBO and became critically acclaimed that that is considered one of Julia’s best roles ever
@Djarra
@Djarra 2 года назад
The real time was interesting, although I'm not sure that it really worked here. There is a British show 'Roger and Val have just got in' which told a complex story by just showing the two characters in the 25 minuets after they came home. It's a bit of a forgotten classic. But it really did show how well that real time can actually work.
@Tennislove88
@Tennislove88 2 года назад
Of all the Seinfeld actors, JLD was the only one to really find success on a different sitcom IMO, that being VEEP. Veep is such a funny, dark, and awesome show and the character she plays is like an evolution of Elaine while still being distinctly a different character! In some ways I even prefer Veep to Seinfeld (blasphemy i know)
@Cool70sfreak
@Cool70sfreak 2 года назад
Don't forget New Adventures of Old Christine which came before. That was also a pretty successful sitcom that ran 5 seasons.
@mantra24
@mantra24 2 года назад
Veep's one of the greatest tv shows of all time and put JLD up there with Lucille Ball, Betty White and Mary Tyler Moore.
@Thomasmemoryscentral
@Thomasmemoryscentral 2 года назад
Jason Alexander captured success in voice acting as a 2nd career so I guess Michael Richard is the only one that got it real rough attempting to fashion a different tv career outside Seinfeld?
@tremorsfan
@tremorsfan 2 года назад
I think Watching Ellie should have gone further and have each episode done in one continuous take.
@boxcarhobo7017
@boxcarhobo7017 2 года назад
This was an ambitious, audacious, clever, concept of a show I thought was a refreshingly original idea. Critics said it was even. It was innovative and beautifully executed. Then the studio interference, the retooling and 86ing the real time aspect and entire vibe and point of the series into a bland, basic, conventional formulaic forgettable sitcom. The stand out scene in the pilot was the impromptu moment between Julia and her real life sister doing the 'fancy necklace' dance. The moments normally cut from shows, the in-between connective scenes of real life real time walking place to place made each episode a surreal exercise in the sublime like those segments were directed by David Lynch . I appreciated it and it still stays with me.
@oldmanonyoutube
@oldmanonyoutube 2 года назад
Julia Louis-Dreyfus was great in The New Adventures of Old Christine that came out a few years later.
@mariogamefreak1
@mariogamefreak1 2 года назад
And Veep
@DrAg-ez3ps
@DrAg-ez3ps 2 года назад
@@mariogamefreak1 Veep is awesome, I tried to watch The New Adventures of Old Christine but it wasn't funny at all in my opinion
@mariogamefreak1
@mariogamefreak1 2 года назад
@@DrAg-ez3ps never watched Veep but it was successful and broke the Seinfeld cruse
@user-vi4xy1jw7e
@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 года назад
New Adventures just seemed like a run of the mill sitcom.
@DrAg-ez3ps
@DrAg-ez3ps 2 года назад
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e Definitely. As a swede it also relied on many american cliches and wasn't as general "western" in its humor as say Seinfeld
@DetectiveStablerSVU
@DetectiveStablerSVU 2 года назад
Okay but New Adventures of Old Christine was actually pretty great. Not Seinfeld great, but I found it enjoyable for primetime sitcom.
@Tony6Shot
@Tony6Shot 2 года назад
It's good to know that at least Julia wasn't permanently stuck trying to recapture the magic of Seinfield after the show ended. Jason Alexander seems to only have one mode of comedy acting for the most part (which is probably hard not to do, considering that George Costanza isn't that cartoonish a character) and Michael Richards was only ever going to be used as Kramer... At least until he took up stand-up comedy, anyway.
@Thomasmemoryscentral
@Thomasmemoryscentral 2 года назад
At least Alexander has voice acting to be thankful for? Hes on shows such as Duckman and more
@worsethanhitlerpt.2539
@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 6 месяцев назад
Only CURB with Larry David was any good. But that show only features the Seinfeld cast a little trying to make lightning strike twice is a waste
@37Kilo2
@37Kilo2 2 года назад
Imagine being born attractive, and to a family worth billions. Then star in a wildly popular TV show, earning millions. I'm ugly and poor, you figure I could at least have one or the other. "You'd think just once I could get a break!"
@calvinnigh5489
@calvinnigh5489 2 года назад
I guess I never realized how far superior Dreyfus’ post-Seinfeld career was compared to the others. Thanks Ramoni!
@theninjararar
@theninjararar 2 года назад
I think Seinfeld was ok
@bonniebellaxoxo8853
@bonniebellaxoxo8853 2 года назад
I read somewhere that she holds the most Emmy wins for a performer and only one of them came from Seinfeld
@StealthMaster86
@StealthMaster86 2 года назад
@@bonniebellaxoxo8853 She has 11 Emmys. When it comes to acting it's eight. She won six years in a row for Veep. One win from The New Adventures of old Christine and one win from Seinfeld. The other 3 is also from Veep where she was also one of the executive producers when it won for Best Comedy. She tied with Cloris Leachman.
@bonniebellaxoxo8853
@bonniebellaxoxo8853 2 года назад
@@StealthMaster86 I knew that she won a bunch for veep… but the new adventures of old Christine shocked me. My mom used to watch the show all the time when I was in middle school but I didn’t think it was that popular. I liked the show it was funny but I never heard anyone talk about it
@EssexAggiegrad2011
@EssexAggiegrad2011 2 года назад
Julia has easily had the most success post Seinfeld
@williamthomas5215
@williamthomas5215 Год назад
Part of me thinks that this show would’ve lasted longer in today’s streaming world
@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688
@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688 2 года назад
PLEASE tell me the next episode in this series is about Duckman. That show was my jam back in the day. Also it would be a great topic for this kind of video. Super hard "could only exist in the 90's energy" coming off that show.
@dragonkyng
@dragonkyng 2 года назад
Not sure it’s a failure but are you gonna talk about the New Adventures of Old Christine?
@notsyzagts7967
@notsyzagts7967 2 года назад
You guys sure are demanding lol. Give the channel some time to flesh the idea out.
@tobe1207
@tobe1207 7 месяцев назад
New adventures of old Christine wasn't so bad
@wstine79
@wstine79 2 года назад
The video had to get re-uploaded? Talk about suffering from the Seinfeld Curse.
@Riutanharju
@Riutanharju 2 года назад
Could you make a video of unfortunate Cheers spinoff - The Tortellis?
@SirMeowsAlot89
@SirMeowsAlot89 2 года назад
Don’t feel too bad that the spin off shows did not work for those 3. They have so much Seinfeld money coming in as the show still play on tv in 2022. They get fat checks every months all of them.
@user-vi4xy1jw7e
@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 года назад
She was gorgeous in this show. Damn!
@stupid8911
@stupid8911 Год назад
Wonderful job. I remember liking the show's first season, clock and all. I also remember the re-tooling for Season 2 and not liking the audience input. I'm still waiting for a "New Adventures" reboot, that show is a hoot-and-a-holler.
@dannigro8794
@dannigro8794 6 месяцев назад
I can’t believe this lasted two seasons but I’m glad Julia Louis Dreyfus found success in the very entertaining new adventures of old Christine and the immensely clever veep.
@unknownkingdom
@unknownkingdom Год назад
Having her play a character named Ellie was not a good name for the character if they wanted to break away from Seinfeld's shadow.
@amwfan88
@amwfan88 2 года назад
Of the three initial post-Seinfeld shows, Watching Ellie is the only one I've seen. I watched the first episode the very night it premiered. I was in 8th grade at the time and my mom and I - both Seinfeld fans - watched it. We were so confused by the timer, and it literally wasn't until just now that I a) remembered this and b) realized why they had it. We did laugh a few times, but I don't really remember any of it, and I never saw it again. Also funny to note that both Peter Stormare and Lauren Bowles were on Seinfeld - Stormare was Slippery Pete in the Frogger episode and Bowles played a recurring waitress at Monk's.
@Ultradude604
@Ultradude604 2 года назад
Don't know the name "Peter Stormare", but when "Slippery Pete" is mentioned. Yep! That's the guy! Instantly put a face to the name.
@amwfan88
@amwfan88 2 года назад
@@Ultradude604 He's been in a whole bunch. He was in Fargo, the second Jurassic Park movie, Prison Break, Longmire.
@Ultradude604
@Ultradude604 2 года назад
@@amwfan88 Oh yeah! Fargo! I remember. One of the two killers. I think
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 2 года назад
The format of the show was an interesting concept for it's time, it just seems like it was too ahead of the curb for the viewers. Changing it into a typical sitcom definitely took away from it's charm.
@andrewbowman4611
@andrewbowman4611 2 года назад
Anyone else feel sorry for Darren Boyd? He's featured in some of the clips used yet he isn't acknowledged in the narration. If you've seen Holy Flying Circus, he's the one who played John Cleese.
@KyleRDent
@KyleRDent 2 года назад
He was also the go-to guy on Smack the Pony
@DHealey
@DHealey 2 года назад
I liked him in Green Wing
@ronvlaarsvar6867
@ronvlaarsvar6867 2 года назад
Guess it was because this is one of his few American shows but deserved a mention at least. He is good in most things he appears in
@SteRDLK
@SteRDLK 2 года назад
Thought he was great in Spy, a Sky sitcom from about 10 years ago
@matthewjohnson8302
@matthewjohnson8302 2 года назад
He seems to have been a big part of it, so odd that he doesn't get a single mention. He's also in the very recent The Outlaws, so not exactly obscure. Maybe Joe's a little Anglophobic ;)
@jakec1943
@jakec1943 2 года назад
But to be honest Watching Ellie would have a much better shot at succeeding today! The idea isn't bad! Better execution could help it. Julia Louis-Dreyfus is probably cool with it though. She's won Emmys for 2 different shows since Seinfeld.
@Champigne
@Champigne 2 года назад
You don’t need success when you have Seinfeld residuals from syndication.
@owenfitzgerald8944
@owenfitzgerald8944 8 месяцев назад
The clock is to let you know how long more you have to endure the show 😂
@MyRetroLife
@MyRetroLife Год назад
Do you plan on doing an episode on “Listen Up”?
@haruruben
@haruruben 2 года назад
The “real-time” episode concept- I think I’ve seen this done as a one-off before somewhere but I can’t place it. I believe it’s a fun concept if you did it as a special episode it would be kinda funny to see all the in-between bits. But as the whole series feels kinda rough
@dansanfrisco
@dansanfrisco 2 года назад
Could have been a very different TV landscape had Cheers not ended at the time it did. Seinfeld hit its creative stride in 1993-94 and then Friends and ER debuted. The Thursday night juggernaut was born. Crazy that NBC thought they could at all replicate lightning in a bottle that those shows hit upon in the mid 90's.
@ExplorerDS6789
@ExplorerDS6789 2 года назад
Networks are like that, all they see are numbers. That to me is one of the reasons AfterMASH failed: bad writing and bad acting (except from the three leads) aside, CBS wanted it to be the same ratings juggernaut that M*A*S*H was, and that just wasn't going to happen.
@youtubeletmeintoyoutube4580
@youtubeletmeintoyoutube4580 8 дней назад
The fact she wanted it to be obviously different than Seinfeld but still pitched it as “it follows a generally successful entertainer and her friends” is wild.
@DCMarvelMultiverse
@DCMarvelMultiverse 2 года назад
I notice the show made more use of how good looking she is, too. A bad sign for quality.
@dannybursace9151
@dannybursace9151 Год назад
The mid-to-late 90s and then early 00s gave us two independent, smart, funny, beautiful actresses with Julia Louise-Dreyfus & Patricia Heaton from Everyone Loves Raymond!
@Jared_Wignall
@Jared_Wignall 2 года назад
It’s interesting to see the shows that were made with the stars of Seinfeld and how they failed for one reason or another. Keep up the great work Joe!
@GinoZump
@GinoZump 2 года назад
04:22 this is my pet peeve. badly edited audio levels.
@renlysotherlover294
@renlysotherlover294 2 года назад
Is it really a curse when Julia went on to such huge critical success?
@GolumTR
@GolumTR 5 месяцев назад
Julia is smokin’ in every shot, incredible
@grumsproduktion4083
@grumsproduktion4083 Год назад
Who is Peter Stormear? I've heard of Peter Stormare though (Storrmmarre)
@ScarysReviews
@ScarysReviews Год назад
Wayne Knight was the most successful out of the bunch, not only was he doing well in 3rd rock from the sun, he was in JURASSIC PARK, did voice work for Tantar in Tarzan, Zuit in my favorite martian, and a few others, Jason Alexanda, voiced Abys Mal in Return of Jafar. Jerry has his Celebrities and coffee show. the others, well, Julia Louis Drefus had parts in movies before, and then, yea, not so much success after. Michael Richards, cameod in the flintstones movie, then yadda yadda yadda. Jerry Stiller did well also. also, the original actor for George's dad is in Christmas Vacation, along with Julia ;)
@ReglazeRX
@ReglazeRX Год назад
The new adventures of old Christine did really well. You forgot about that. VEEP went on forever. Julia didn't fail.
@gridiron8870
@gridiron8870 Год назад
I liked him in Space Jam.
@ActionJackson1982
@ActionJackson1982 2 года назад
Hmm, Friends could use a series like this. Matthew Perry had plenty of sitcom failures
@Super165i
@Super165i 2 года назад
Julia Louis Dreyfus would end up being more successful than Jason Alexander and Michael Richards
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 2 года назад
The concept of the first season actually sounds pretty cool and interesting. I wish they stuck with it and improved it rather than throwing it out entirely.
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 2 года назад
The countdown idea is fkn deranged......These boardroom decisions are so often perplexing, I'd be surprised if a randomly selected group of ppl could do any worse @_@
@Dan.50
@Dan.50 2 года назад
Hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice. Much less three or four times.
@themacocko6311
@themacocko6311 2 года назад
The show was a success but they all sucked.
@Jays_dead_cat
@Jays_dead_cat 6 месяцев назад
"We now return to Julie Louis Dreyfuss in Now Its Just Getting Sad"
@DougUnfunny
@DougUnfunny 2 года назад
julia had great success with VEEP and is now in the MCU.
@davincent98
@davincent98 2 года назад
Along with her ex-husband Phil Coulson
@meligoth
@meligoth 2 года назад
VEEP should not have worked when burnout of many other politically charged shows like West Wing to The Newsroom was around at the same time. Maybe the success of Parks and Recreation prepared audiences for another quirky show involving politics rather than another drama.
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 2 года назад
The Seinfeld Curse is a huge load of bullshit. Jerry Seinfeld himself had a decently successful movie (probably where most Zoomers first found out about him) as well as a talk show that seems to be doing pretty well, and Julia Louise Dreyfus had two more hit shows and is now in the freaking MCU. The only victims of the "Seinfeld Curse" would be Richards and Alexander, but even then Michael Richards' failure can be better explained by (well, you know) then any stupid curse. Moving away from the main cast, people like Larry David moved on to things like Curb Your Enthusiasm. Seinfeld is definitely not cursed.
@Mabus16
@Mabus16 2 года назад
That's with about 24 years of hindsight, though. You forget that there was an almost ten year period in the 2000s when the only post-Seinfeld project that was successful was Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Larry David was never an on-camera talent on Seinfeld and had left the show on bad terms.
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 2 года назад
@@Mabus16 He didn't actually leave the show on bad terms. He just got tired.
@marcomacias3960
@marcomacias3960 Год назад
so this is Sports Night in reverse: with the sitcom style and laugh track add later
@GrilledPandas
@GrilledPandas 2 года назад
every cut to Seinfeld is done incredibly well - really enjoyed this series.
@haileyosaurus
@haileyosaurus 2 года назад
I found the New Adventures of Old Christine to be pretty funny. Liked Julia’s neurotic personality.
@mightyfilm
@mightyfilm 2 года назад
Out of all the Seinfeld Curse sitcoms, this is the most heartbreaking. The others you could blame on trying to recapture lightning in a bottle, but this one felt like it should have been a hit for being innovative and far more interesting overall. And while I didn't exactly hate it as a more standard sitcom the following year, even though it should NEVER have become a laugh track type series. But the thing that gets me is that, even in its second season format, I'm still baffled by the fact that the show to break the Seinfeld Curse (that is, starring the cast of that sitcom) was the mediocre New Adventures series. Perhaps the most bog standard of bog standard sitcoms. Personally, I still think the real thing to break the curse was the superior Curb Your Enthusiasm, but that's the show that had mainstream success. Also, would the Patrick Warburton starring vehicle The Tick count as a Seinfeld Curse series? I feel the problem was the budget and the fact they threw in ersatz versions of characters from the cartoon series that hurt the show, but it was decent overall. The Amazon series is much better, but I have a special place in my heart for that one.
@DrAg-ez3ps
@DrAg-ez3ps 2 года назад
I agree with your assessment that New Adventures was a mediocore and not so good sitcom and that it didn't break the curse. I would say that another contender for breaking the curse is Veep, although that might just apply for JLD.
@mightyfilm
@mightyfilm 2 года назад
@@DrAg-ez3ps I'd say Christine unfortunately was the thing that broke the curse, technically if you want to believe there really was one. The problem was that the networks and I'll throw some blame at the general public, was everyone expecting Seinfeld stars to be exactly like the characters they were in that show YET completely different at the exact same time. Ellie did manage to get a second season, something none of the others even got close to. Julia was the one that had the most success outside of the sitcom with Christine and the superior VEEP. Mainly because there wasn't much of a need to just have her rehash Elaine in a different form. That said, I'm not sure if I count it or not, but with Wayne Knight, he did find some level of success for being a cast member, not a star with Third Rock from the Sun. I wonder if Jason or Michael could have worked better if they were secondary or tertiary characters on some other series.
@user-vi4xy1jw7e
@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 года назад
@@DrAg-ez3ps How did it not break the curse? The show was mediocre, sure, but it was on 5 seasons. You don't think that is a success?
@DrAg-ez3ps
@DrAg-ez3ps 2 года назад
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e True, I think it was just my bias towards Veep hehe
@A-G-A-G
@A-G-A-G 2 года назад
But new adventures of old Christine worked as a vessel to show off her absolute chops as a comedic leading lady. She was never given her due in Seinfeld even though she had the best acting ability. New adventures was so worth it simply for her performance alone and the fact that it then led to veep
@WorldsWorstBoy
@WorldsWorstBoy 2 года назад
Their best bets would’ve been to save up as much Seinfeld money that they could’ve and invested. Maybe kept up doing Stand Up…
@stproducciones9140
@stproducciones9140 2 года назад
I might be willing to watch it just for the Julia Lewis Dreyfus fan service
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 2 года назад
Kinda brought Ally McBeal to mind. Like yeah these women are vapidly grrl power independent, but hey they are hot despite little pinched noses and terrible personalities.
@mrliteral9347
@mrliteral9347 2 года назад
It also aired the same year as season one of 24, so the jokes about Elaine fighting terrorists in real time convinced NBC no one took the concept seriously...thus the retooling into a more standard sitcom, even though the format wasn't the problem -- it just isn't funny. No comedy can survive that, even when it's otherwise okay.
@SecondTake123
@SecondTake123 Год назад
I love the New Adventures of Old Christine! Julia's hilarious!
@lucianonmarazzo436
@lucianonmarazzo436 Год назад
You should do this with other popular shows!!!!!
@Beeznitchio
@Beeznitchio 2 года назад
This reminds me of the old Norm Macdonald joke. "Such and such of Little Rascals fame died at the age of 93. The curse strikes again." Curb, The New Adventured of Old Christine, Veep all hits. Jason Alexander is better as part of an ensemble or secondary character and Richards, lol, he did it to himself.
@RJKYEG
@RJKYEG 6 месяцев назад
It's like the people behind these shows didn't know what made Seinfeld successful, but they sure were attached to Seinfeld's success.
@Merylstreep1949
@Merylstreep1949 2 года назад
Yeah cool you did a video on the show that basically morphed into New Adventures of Old Christine And of course the opening of the first episode was a gift to a long time Elaine Benez fan hubba hubba hubba
@oldradiosnphonographs
@oldradiosnphonographs 9 месяцев назад
I recall this show being preempted a lot. But I’m going on memories from 20+ years ago.
@DidYaServe
@DidYaServe 2 года назад
I never heard of this. Neither did I ever hear of Michael Richards' and Jason Alexander's post-Seinfeld shows. I guess they go down as oddities before most people had internet.
@simoncade395
@simoncade395 2 года назад
You should do a "It's Not That Bad" video on the movie "Vegas Vacation". It was poorly received when it was released but nowadays its considered better than "National Lampoon's European Vacation".
@MrBird2007
@MrBird2007 2 года назад
I have to agree. European vacation it seemed like they tried way too hard with the jokes
@Solakmania
@Solakmania 2 года назад
No it isn’t.
@tboyd5150
@tboyd5150 2 года назад
I still like European, but Vegas is definitely better and is underrated.
@christakrenko
@christakrenko 6 месяцев назад
These episodes have all been released in Q1 of each year... does that mean you're about to release a new one?! 😃
@paintervision
@paintervision 2 года назад
I forgot all about the 22-minute gimmick. It would be great to see a video with more of these kinds of big swings at new formats, like when Joel Hodgkin did the TV Wheel for HBO or that weird Jingles show CBS had a few years back.
@machadofilm
@machadofilm 6 месяцев назад
Bring it back!
@TF80s
@TF80s 2 года назад
None of these shows made it over to this side of the world so l never saw any of them...we were probably better off.
@tenimeartstudios
@tenimeartstudios Год назад
It's so dumb that studios expected Seinfeld numbers from the get-go, when the first 2 seasons of Seinfeld BOMBED in the ratings...
@darren-lee
@darren-lee 2 года назад
They should have done a Kramer & Newman spin off with them opening up a detective agency during the summer months as like an in between when the show was off air type of comedy in the same style, but newman not working if it rains and still working as a postman with guest spots from actors from the main show popping in and out asking for help or for them to look into things for them (comedy value) #thatsgold
@Jamietheroadrunner
@Jamietheroadrunner 5 месяцев назад
Julia had three hit sitcoms, the best of which was “Veep”. Veep took the unlikablilty of the Seinfeld cast to a whole new level with its characters and because it was so hilarious you didn’t care.
@lastremain7867
@lastremain7867 2 года назад
your right about the show being ahead of its time, besides "Malcom in the middle" and "Scrubs" the format would soon be the norm in the future
@allbullaside7778
@allbullaside7778 6 месяцев назад
Um Julia Louis Dreyfus is definitely NOT cursed. Well if she was, she must have hunted down that Gypsy and drowned them in goats blood. Veep, and Old Christine were not only award winning and stellar, they were extremely popular. She is crushing it post Seinfeld.
@water331
@water331 6 месяцев назад
So this was literally 24 without explosions
@VenomousStare
@VenomousStare Год назад
The timer... what a brutal idea lol
@JoeJoe-lq6bd
@JoeJoe-lq6bd 6 месяцев назад
You could just see the name "Brad Hall" on the credits and know it would be terrible. Julia Louis-Dreyfuss is a very talented actress and I'm sure Brad Hall has good personal traits but nothing he's written is even remotely funny.
@waytospergtherebro
@waytospergtherebro 2 года назад
Somehow, The New Adventures of Old Christine ran long enough for TV Land to run for hours on end. I've never made it through an entire episode but they always seem to spend most of their time standing in the hallway at a fancy restaurant in every one.
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