Hey Blind Wave, big fan here. I’m just wondering if you guys are going to react to the watchmen tv show because trust me, it’s so so so good. If you guys do then that would be amazing
"You see doctor, God didn't kill that little girl. Fate didn't butcher her and destiny didn't feed her to the dogs. If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind. From then on I knew, God doesn't make the world this way .... we do."
that disheartening albeit well-written and expertly acted speech proved that no matter how much his horrific childhood and experiences operating as a "hero" made him _cynical/disillusioned,_ at his core, Rorschach still believed in God while at the same time also believing _He doesn't give a sh!t_
I like this part of the movie, i remember it everytime i hear someone saying that god doesnt exist because there is a lot of evil shit going on the world. I always say that the cause of bad things is other people, we have free will and some decide to be bad.
The basic cosmological correction all believers have to learn, that should destroy monotheistic conservatism. It should be obvious, since it's fully Biblical, that the way the world is results from sin, and is not God's will, but conservatism dies hard, for people who benefit from the way the world is.
Me: watching people watch people watch the watchmen watching people Dr. Manhattan: watching me watch people watch people watch the watchmen watch people while being watched by an ever infinit loop of watchers watching in other dimensions
It's funny that Jeffery Dean Morgan almost turned down The Comedian because he thought he got killed in the first scene, but then he played Thomas Wayne in BvS
When you are comfortable you can afford to pick and choose, but when you have bills to pay you take whatever you can get. JDM is a great actor but he isn't an A-lister and his paychecks are usually in the five figure range and if you have a million dollar house in LA you take whatever gigs come your way.
Alan Moore doesn't just hate adaptations of his work. He even dislikes some of his own stuff. A textbook example of the artist who is never pleased with their own work.
@@lonewolf3314 he sold the rights. they don't need his consent. him selling the rights ultimately is permanent consent. also he wouldn't approve ANY adaptation of his work. it could be a perfect adaption and he probably still wouldn't approve. i'm pretty sure hes never even seen this movie anyway.
@@angelo4726 I think that was The Comedian’s point; Super Powers, Weapons, Technological Superiority, they are all threats to humanity’s survival, if humans stop caring for each other or hand over all responsibility to a “strong” leader. It’s happened before.
It's not underrated, it's mostly overrated (though I hate the overrated/underrated overuse). You just have to read the comments xd A lot of people say it's a masterpiece, which is not. It's a pretty good movie, mainly because of Hayter's script and good visuals, but Snyder doesn't know how to adapt a comic book or a character without trying to be edgy. Without Hayter this movie would've probably sucked.
@@felipeaquitral well that's the point... Not addapt the character to how it exactly is in the comic as we have seen that over and over again.... To give us something new en entertaining U can hold ur opinion but ur very very wrong. And zacks loves to use real life morals/ideologies into the movies too make u think! Not like the disney/Marvel movies who are plain and simple just made to entertain.
FUN FACT: Young Rorschach is played by Eli Snyder, Zack Snyder's son, who is now also on his way to become a movie director. He's also the one who directed Cyborg's football scene in Justice League.
This is literally my favorite movie of all time! Aaron mentioned that Rorschach is like Batman, well, fun fact, Alan Moore originally created the concept of this story with actual comic book characters were original Charlton comic characters but then went to become DC characters. Dr. Manhattan was Captain Atom, Rorschach was The Question, Nite Owl was Blue Beetle, Silk Spectre is Nightshade, Ozymandis is Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, The Comedian and Peacemaker
The watchmen story is a basically a treatise on power. What is power, Who has power, who deserves power, who shouldn't have power. It's pretty poetic that the most powerful person in the story ends up being Seymour the reporter at the end holding rorshach's journal
truth-telling sometimes can be far more powerful than super abilities or nuclear weapons. in the comics, that's one of the main reasons Superman chose to work for the Daily Planet *"my heroes have always been journalists"* - _Clark Kent_
@@joeg6478 absolutely. I never thought about it but thats what impressed me about watchmen and by extension alan moore's philosophy that he illustrated in the novel. He values truth so much more than power and that is one hell of an ideal.
the point you were alluding to in your OP, Truth _IS_ Power which in itself is a powerful message. Clark like ALAN figured out a long time ago that with the truth on your side and the writers pen, one man can make a difference
This movie is so deep you have to watch it multiple times to catch the stuff you miss in the previous viewings. I've watched it dozens of times and still find things. The graphic novel is the same way, both are awesome stories in each of their mediums.
Fun fact: the hooded hero that saved silk spectre, Hooded Justice, is actually gay and did enjoy bdsm. Comedian truly was a people's person. He understood.
Aaron's theory about the Comedian's Vietnamese lovechild saved by Manhattan and ultimately becoming the bad guy sounds like a popular fan theory concerning the HBO series.
I agree. People will stay up all night to read a good book for several hours, or binge watch a streaming TV show for an entire weekend but the same people treat a long movie in theaters like a trip to motor vehicles. Oh, I'm sorry that this movie full of amazing story, fights, action and special effects is like a half hour longer than other movies. There is nothing wasteful in this movie. All of it is necessary. In my opinion, if you have a blockbuster action film that does action right, it can be as long as it wants. I'll watch it.
@@enzobuso5933 “longer than it needs to” What does this even mean? Who are you (no offense meant personally) to determine how long the movie SHOULD be? The director determines that. As I said earlier, it’s as long as it needs to be to express the director’s vision.
@@motodork Bruh director can make mistakes they arent perfect lol. I cant say how long a scene has to be cause im not a director but I can definetely tell when a scene goes on for too long. Anyone can.
@3:59 *"i thought he wasn't gonna kill him cuz he had so many opportunities he could've already!"* Aaron's observation during that scene implies that drawn out fight b4 Eddie Blake's murder had deeper meaning than just a _hit._ i'm guessing it was Adrian's final punishment for helping Nixon spy on supers and more personally for belittling his youthful idealism years ago when they used to be teammates
Control of nuclear forces. Kinda like Magneto, but times four. He's a walking Replicator from Star Trek. One that can disassemble itself and go to warp.
*"why does one death matter against so many? becuz there is good and evil and evil **_Must be Punished_** ... even in the face of Armageddon! I will not compromise in this..."* - that single monologue is the key to understanding the motivations behind everything Rorschach does in this film 🔥🔥🔥
Kinda neat to see that the film is completely centered around The Comedian. From the beginning of the movie, with his death, his backstory with his daughter, and finally in the end, the final practical joke.
I imagine to lose all fear, you’d have to lose all emotional attachment to anything or anyone, or even fear of any pain or discomfort. It’s total numbness; who’d bother praying to _that?_
@@Mynameizhere No, technically Watchmen is not a graphic novel. It's a comic book series that later was published in TPB or HC. A graphic novel is a comic book that is directly and originally published in TPB or HC format (in a "novel" format, instead of a "magazine" format), like A Contract with God by Eisner or Persepolis by Satrapi. "Graphic novel" is more a marketing term and is often a term misused by snob and/or ignorant people that thinks comics are for kids and "graphic novels" for adults.
@@felipeaquitral it has 2 versions, the comics and the graphic novel, they are exactly the same apart from the fact that the graphic novel is just 1 big book whilst the comic is multiple issues.
@@KangarooMonkey No. That's just a TPB or a HC that includes all the issues of a certain comic (in this case, the 12 issues of Watchmen), not a "graphic novel". A "graphic novel" is not a compilation format (TPB, HC, Deluxe, Absolute, Omnibus, Library Edition, etc), is a format of publication (issue/magazine, book/graphic novel, etc).
If night owl saved Bruce’s parents in this universe then maybe another thing that happened in this universe is that krypton never exploded and thus Kal-El never came to earth and never got the name Clark Kent.
" five years before we were born" you're damn right! This haunted my dreams, it's one of the reasons this movie ( and the comic) was profoundly powerful to me.
@@RoboBoomStick The question I asked was WHY you guys hate this masterpiece. You are totally entitled to your opinion, I just want to understand it. Or can't you give any reasons because you haven't even watched it and just like to complain?
the most interesting aspect of Adrian's character was revealed in the flashback of him presenting his plan to systematically wipe out all evil from the U.S. which showed that back then, he genuinely believed the newly founded *Watchmen* were enuff to _save the world._ He let the Comedian's cynicism make him lose faith that the WM's _never-ending battle_ using what he thinks are *"schoolboy heroics"* would ever work so in an effort to find a faster, more effective way, his gifted but highly arrogant mind lead him down a path that ultimately perverted everything heroes are supposed to stand for 👍# 3118
One cool detail about Rorschach is when he is around his enemies, and other costumed people, he speaks bluntly, and with bad grammar. But around Daniel, that one therapist, and even in his own journal he's well spoken, and very intelligent. It's like part of his alter-ego is to play pretend that he's simple, but we know how smart he really is.
The doomsday clock isn't very credible anymore, there are no nuclear powers on the brink of war and climate change isn't a threat to human existence, it's a threat to our way of life. Unless they've now discovered that a raise of two degrees will kill everything on the planet.
One of the greatest comic books ever. The deconstruction of superheroes and vigilantes basically shows that it’s a certain personality trait psychopathic and antisocial who become vigilantes. My only gripe is the ending which is different in the comic book. The TV show is actually really good and is definitely worth seeing. Thank you guys, great reaction.
I think the premise of an alien invasion works less well today. In 1985 we didn't know how to dive into the genome of tissue like we do today. Those “aliens” would be unmasked as fake a few years in the future. Plus, they would come off as cheesy in live action.
The first time I saw this movie it was the Ultimate cut which is almost 4 hours and had no idea what i was getting into. This movie is amazing and so is the comic novel by Alan Moore
I remember loving this movie when i first watched it. Then i realized that not everyone did and the complaints against it made think i didn't like it as much anymore. Until i rewatched it this year and found out i still love it. And i definitely think Zack Snyder works best when behind the camera and not on the script. He's a visual director and makes me sad to know that so much of his talent is overlooked by his poor storytelling decisions. I also don't find his writing awful, just the kind that needs more supervision.
18:00 this is my favourite shot in the movie, period. This whole film visually is an actual masterpiece, and I would pay to watch whatever else Zack Snyder has made. Just from watching this film alone, I can already tell he’s a genius.
Man Rorschach is the best character I've ever seen he also has my favorite quote ever said in a comic "It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us." Just in general the comics are better in every way especially the ending it's way crazier
Agreed that the original ending was trippy and cool, but I do think that this ending was pretty cool. It felt like the rehashed ending of The Mist compared with Stephen King's ending. It was very different but paid off the story that the movie told in an equally cool way that made total sense.
Great endurance reaction guys! Love the breakdown afterwards. You should know that it was Dr. Manhattan that led to the death of the 1st Green Lantern, Alan Scott, which stopped the creation of the Justice Society of America and the domino effect of undoing much of DC history leading into the New 52 and the followup, Rebirth, generation of DC comics. Check out the Doomsday Clock series to see the tie-ins to current DC lore.
Rorschach, Nite Owl II and Ozymandias are like three aspects of Batman: The "hardboiled" investigator obsessing over urban decay and how you "have to make your own order in the chaos" by beating on "the scum". The inheritor of wealth turned inventor who feels powerless when not dressed up like a flying night creature with outlandish gadgets and vehicles. The billionaire genius running a multi-faceted corporation who traveled the world training his mind and body to their peak.
I haven't met anybody who understood the message of Black Freighter, and why it's intertwined with the Ultimate Cut. Anybody I've known who saw that version of the movie just shrugs those parts off as weird or boring. Disappointing, but there you have it.
@@zenhaelcero8481 I personally liked those parts and even though I didnt understand those parts in the ultimate Cut version or graphic novel but I feel like they somehow connect to the whole story.
@@nox5870 The story as a whole is an analogy to the story of Adrian Veidt, showing a man who follows his convictions and blind determination to a deep and dark place of death. But it also related to other characters in the story, the isolation of Dr. Manhattan, the psychotic violence of Rohrschach, the general willingness to do anything that is necessary when following your code or your idea of justice etc. For more on this: scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/7661/what-is-the-significance-of-tales-of-the-black-freighter
Roy Westerman used this version of the Watchmen story for Earth 27. It's events even set up the Norsefire Parliments reign over England from V for Vendetta.
I have ALWAYS loved this movie, every scene is just so immersive and engaging, even the Director’s cut. I’ve never understood why so many people hated it.
Originally, Allan Moore wanted to use characters from Charlton Comics for Watchmen. The Comedian is based on Peacemaker, Dr. Manhattan on Captain Atom, Rorschach on the Question, Nite Owl on Blue Beetle, Ozymandias on Thunderbolt and Silk Spectre on Nightshade.
I literally just finished watching an episode of the Watchmen show and I said 'I wonder if Blind Wave watch this show' and boom 2 minutes ago you reacted to the movie :D
Loved the reaction, quick fact though: Watchmen was separate from the DC Universe until the DC Rebirth event a few years ago. That's why there is no mention of any other DC properties in the movie.
@@kalechip9074 Rorshach was a variant of the Question. DC had bought a smaller comic and hired Alan Moore to do a series on the cast. It quickly evolved into this quiet noir apocalyptic epic, totally unfit for its original purpose but good art and good product nonetheless. So they changed the names and let Moore go wild. The result is Watchmen.
Always liked the scene where Rorschach and the cleaver. Such rage, such anger. The way he paces around before the hut. So intense. Also: Matthew Goode!! Love that man!😍
I loved the part where it started raining squid and where the black woman beat up a guy and said "I've got a nose for white Supremacy and he smells like bleach" such gripping dialogue
I have actually read the graphic novel and while I do love it, I must admit I'm glad that they changed the common enemy that unites the US and the Soviet Union to Dr Manhattan instead of a weird genetically engineered alien that looks like a brain with tentacles. I remember reading that part and thinking "man this is so stupid, I'm so glad Snyder changed this".
I wanted to kind of make this like, 'Yeah, this is what Batman would be in the real world.' But I had forgotten that actually to a lot of comic fans that smelling, not having a girlfriend-these are actually kind of heroic. So actually, sort of, Rorschach became the most popular character in Watchmen. I meant him to be a bad example, but I have people come up to me in the street saying, ‘I am Rorschach! That is my story!’ And I’ll be thinking, ‘Yeah, great, can you just keep away from me and never come anywhere near me again for as long as I live?" ~Alan Moore
@@kuhpunkt He did Watchmen for a reason, but the everyone never got the lesson. Kingdom Come is like that too, as is DC New Frontier, even Final Crisis, but those warnings were not heeded. Now we have DC in its comics the way they are. Batman and Superman are not as they should be. They did not learn.
Can't watch this video just yet, so can anyone who has tell me if they mentioned reacting to the Watchmen HBO show any time soon? They really have to, it's so damn good
@@ComicCrossing Watchmen movie/comic was very political aswell. Why is it a problem when the show is political? Also the show isn't JUST about racism, that's like saying why did they have to make the movie about a blue penis.
@@ComicCrossing The show is about generational trauma. The way the Dr. Manhattan Vietnam war has influenced Lady Trieu, the way the squid attack influenced Looking Glass and others, the way the history of racism and violence (Tulsa attacks for the show) has influenced the lives of Angela and Will Reaves. The main villain as its been presented, Keane, isn't openly a part of the Rorschach white supremacist group, he hides his allegiance to gain power and presents himself as a non racist. It shows how subtle racism and overt racism are two sides of the same coin. And it makes anyone with an agenda in this universe would be working on harnessing Doctor Manhattan's power. If that happened in the real world that would be a primary goal for many groups of people. The show shows good and bad sides in each character and considering Rorschach's Journal ended up with an alt right newspaper it makes sense that his words have inspired the 7thKavalry. Politics aren't the driving force of this show either it's a good story on its own it just includes political commentary the same way the original did.
I don't know if Nite Owl saved Bruce Wayne's parents in this universe. It's a cool idea, but it seems like the world of Watchmen is actually closer to reality than it is the comic book universe. I'm pretty sure Batman and Superman comics exist in Watchmen. I think that scene was just an homage since Nite-Owl is kind of like Batman.
It's not necessary as long as you know the basics, which Eric can tell them. I never read it and I'm having a blast with the show. It's easily the best show in modern history.
Ohhhhh I'm well aware of the content of the graphic novel. Spent some time reading the wiki and watched explanation videos. I knew plenty before watching the show.
It's not *all this other stuff,* like I've said. I looked at a wiki, which summarizes things and I've listened to videos while doing other things. It's really none of your concern though, now is it?
And I don't care to waste hours reading a 12 parts of a story I know enough about to understand everything. I've never read a Marvel or DC comic book and yet I know more about the comic universes than most the people who call themselves comic fans. It's my business how I consume information. And so far I've accurately predicted every twist in the Watchmen series well in advance, except for that goddamn elephant in the room. Maybe if your brain worked a little better, you wouldn't need to intake so much information to appreciate the series.
I like this adaption, but the book is still better. The tricks they can play with Manhattan's odd perceptions of time across pages and panels and re-using the images is amazing. And the squid monsters were such a surprise, until you paged back through the old issues to see all the little clues about artists and bio-engineers, and cloned food in the restaurant. Thanks for doing this. Looking forward to you guys covering the HBO series.
@@bhurzumii4315 The show is phenomenal. I'll admit that I was had very little hope that it would work but I have been blown away by how good the show is and how faithful it is to the tone and themes of the graphic novel while building on the ideas presented in the novel in a way which feels natural and more relevant to the contemporary political landscape. Plus the acting, cinematography and soundtrack are all outstanding. Episode 6 in particular deserves commendation for some of the most creative storytelling I have seen on screen.
One extra detail, should you need it: the woman whose dress Rorshach repurposed into his mask was named in the comic as Kitty Genovese, who was an actual, real-world rape and murder victim who was killed in a prolonged attack in front of her own apartment building while no one helped or called the police. I get the feeling that Alan Moore was himself pretty outraged at that event given he used her real name instead of making up some fictional attack.
