Man, I know the wirtting in this is extraordinary, Alan Moor is a master... But I have to say that the colorist was masterful in the choice of colors to outline light and shadow, backgrounds... And the pencil artist, has such a great sense of proportion and perspective... this book was an all round masterpiece, from the writting, to the pencil to the color... just masterful.
He was doing them a kindness in his own way. Showing them how useless their locks were if somebody really wanted to break in. There are people who actually do this for a living. They even post videos on the yootoob about it.
Veidt and Rorschach both busted through locks like Alexander cutting the Gordian knot. Veidt breaks a lock on-camera once, for a single important purpose and otherwise tries to find other ways to get rid of problems. Rorschach is more wanton with lock-busting, applying violence to every obstruction in his path. Veidt uses a lie to solve the metaphorical Gordian knot of war, while Rorschach potentially uses truth to break the metaphorical Gordian knot of peace Veidt has created with his actions. Or they both just really hate door locks.
Rorschach is my favorite character, while he is not supposed to be a character to look up to and is deeply flawed, that's what makes him so interesting
Wow that bit about kitty genovese inspiring rorschach and him calling out the psychologist to get rich (worse people need to be fixed) was priceless. Self-deception is so scary about humanity. Nowadays people would have filmed Kitty genovese with their godawful bystander apathy
Technically the actual story of Kitty Genovese was that the occupants did call for help. The police for some reason or another either didn't respond to it or decided not too. I'm not sure.
Chapter 4 and 6 ate just some of the greatest writings of fiction ever.. some dont like the narrator but imo he really gets Rorscharch emotionless monotone cold in his words, he nailed these parts.
SpaceShroom The ones you have not shed your eyes upon? No. That’s where you expect the horror. The REAL world is the horror that takes place in your own neighborhood. Darkness is all around you. But people ignore it, people are cowards.
Kyle Isbart Far-right objectivism. He’s explicitly described to be homophobic, misogynistic, and subscribed to a newspaper that’s basically just Breitbart for New York. The guy repeatedly defends a rapist and murderer (The Comedian). Rorschach as a character was meant to be a deconstruction of Steve Ditko’s creations like Mr. A or The Question by showing exactly how awful objectivists actually are as people.
Joe Francis yes he’s awful, and if you see Alan Moore’s quote about Rorschach u really see that he’s not supposed to be “cool” he’s an unreliable narrator when he’s reading his entries. Moore said that ppl that go up to him saying they love Rorschach are creepy or crazy, something to that extent lol
While I also disagree with the we are alone, in Rorschach's statments, it tells you something about him, even though he believes everything is pointless, he still does what he believes is right, regardless of it's consequences twoards him.
It isn't pointless though. He just realizes as clear as day that we can not sit on our laurels and hope. The only good that comes is what we make. To borrow a quote from Sarah Conner: "no fate but what we make"
had to sit down a few minutes after finishing this chapter, was very disturbing. Amazing work, i was just so into it. I forgot how amazing these comics were
The guy does a decent-to-good job with several of the male characters (not Dan though, imho). But they _really_ should've sprung to pay one actress - _any_ actress - to come in and read all the female parts. And even if they couldn't afford an actress, just any literate grown woman would've been a dramatic step up from this dude's off-putting "female" falsetto.
*Doctor*: "you don't like me, why is that, exactly?" *Rorschach*: "You're FAT... Wealthy...and sound just like Morgan Freeman. hate Morgan Freeman; Met him once... smug smile and white suit, told me I was special. showed me how to use he clap-on, a Cheap gadget for delusional liberals. light cannot be made by slight of hand, only the illusion of light manifests like a Fata Morgana in a desert of blackness. He smiled at me, freckles stretched like an elastic mask of sainthood, each spot mimics the cuddly pattern of a dalmatian dogs. I hate dogs; rabid prostitutes..." *Doctor*: "OOPS! Our Time is up, see you tomorrow!" *Rorschach*: "NO! Wait! I'm not DONE!"
Eh. Alan more was a anarchist, leftist so it sort of kines in with some of his views; but the difference is that he prioritized good writing over his personal ideologies which led to such beloved characters like rorschach. The show is, funny enough, very black and white.
@@RBorouma Thank you, I've been saying the same thing for ages, the show doesn't present any morally grey ideas or questions to the viewer where as the comic, really demands a lot from your own personal values and morals in order to understand or oppose what is being presented.
This chapter is EXACTLY why the film does not hold a fucking candle to graphic novel! All of the beauty and torture and grim poetry is utterly lost in the film. Glossed over as if it meant nothing.
While this chapter is enjoyable, it’s also quite possibly the dumbest one in the book. Rorschach tells the guy his benign story and he cracks? He works in a prison in NYC in the 80’s, he’s definitely heard worse
I don't think it's the content so much as seeing just how twisted a person's mind can become. Rorschach might be the first high-profile serial killer the doc's personally worked with, too.
I Scheele I see your point, however I disagree with the first serial killer thing. Considering this man works in an NYC prison and his age, he more than likely has seen more than his fair share of killers.
The motion comic cut out the scene in which Malcolm’s wife says she’s sure he’ll help Rorschach because he’s “the most positive person” she knows. This implies that he sees everything, including his vocation, through a rose-colored lens of blind optimism, and / or belief in a higher power. That cut scene sets him up as Rorschach’s polar opposite.
You completely missed the point. It doesn't matter how "extreme" or "disturbing" an event is. Metaphysical concepts like these do not exist. The Doctor realized that, and he realized that everything he called "ink" on the inkblot was nothing. It MEANT nothing. Blank. He wanted a genuine purpose too late, he understood that his years were numbered. His epiphany was too late. It was too late to live.
That's what's great about this story. It never implies that any of the character's philosophies are the "right one". In the end, Dr. Manhattan can just be seen as a nostalgic sociopath.
Wow... What a brilliant novel. I may disagree that we Are alone, but ill put that aside for now and just enjoy this masterpiece of art, writing and philosphy
13:21 As taboo as it is to say around watchmen fans. I would have loved to have seen more of Rorschach and niteowl in before watchmen. I know we saw some in BW: Niteowl but I just love the dynamic of the two and always want to see more.
the episode is a battle of world views between the doctor and rorscach, and ultimately we can see that rorschach won or rather was right I guess. (since its a rather hollow victory)
This is just brilliantly wise and insightfully genius writing. If you can get past the suicidally nihilistic bleakness, you actually learn supernaturally knowledgable lessons about behaiorism, social psychology, philosophy, even politics. This dude is a certifiable master at this panoramic and enveloping writing style. The frame of the screen disappears and you feel you're EXPERIENCING the story.
Rorschach should've sent his journal to Dr. Long. He had no idea heading to Antarctica that Long wouldn't be able to do anything about the journal. Long had obviously started to take Rorschach seriously and Rorschach knew that Long wanted to publish stuff to be famous.
"Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not god who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us."
This makes me think about two things: 1. Rorshach's will to try to save the world even though he receives no recognition for it and nobody likes him get my respect. 2. Does this make Red Robin a character not worthy of fighting crime? Nothing bad happened to him that made him become Robin; he very simply worked hard to try to do good. After Rorshach teaching us about the common person not knowing the darkness of the world, does that mean that Red Robin doesn't know at all what he's facing, and is "qualified" so to speak for the title of a "hero?"
Tragedy isn't a mandatory requisite for heroism. It's all a matter of choices. The fact Red Robin goes out of his way despite suffering no extreme tragedy shows that much.
2023 and dam he did not lie too him he told him the truth you want too help me cause it helps you you care for me cause i have fam and if you can so call make me better you be the man who made your way too fam by makeing me better.
1. Ya but I also said I was going to put that aside for now, and give consideration to the ideas and philosophies talked about in this book. after reading the book, I must say Alan Moore is a phenomenal writer, this is his masterpiece. To me what makes him so good is how eccentric he is, and how poetically he expresses his nihilistic beliefs. I also think think part of what makes his writing so captivating is just how dark and depressing it is, Moore has such a wonderfully negative perspective..
I think I prefer the extended scene in the movie. Not that I don't like seeing more of the doctor, but the movie makes it so clear what Rorschach really believes. His belief in just retribution. His hatred of rehabilitation.
If there was one thing Zack Snyder made more badass in the film than in the comic, it's when Rorschach fatally burns an inmate attempting to kill him at the prison canteen and verbally lashing out at the other inmates by saying the gold line "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!" Here in the comics, it's just up to the reader to picture it in their heads from what the psychiatrist is explaining.
Both are in the comic. The movie just cut the part with the psychiatrist. Snyder is more interested in being "badass" than he is in having a point or anything interesting to say, so that makes sense.
Batman would try to throw Rorschach in prison for all the murder, and Rorschach would think Bats is a weenie for his no-kill rule and belief in criminal rehabilitation. Batman would absolutely refuse to humor Rorschach in any way.
3. and heres an interesting thought. Isn't Alan Moore is technically the God of the watchmen universe? He created it, he authors it, he is the "watchmaker", the one who predetermines the fate of the characters, however, he choses to write a sad tale, my belief is that we too have a grand watchmaker who created us and the universe however he lets us decide our own fate, and in too many words to fit in a youtube comment he wishes to be actively engaged in our fate, but only if we allow him/her/it
But it fits so well. And besides, comics have been stealing from other art forms and vice versa for years. It fits Roarsach's character. I don't like how in the movie he just uses the meat cleaver on the guy. The Mad Max way wasn't just murder, it was agony. Roarshach didn't just want him to die. He wanted him to suffer.
Notice how Rorschach tild Dr. Long “you want to know what makes me sick. be patient, Doctor you will find out soon” and soon enough Dr.Long’s marriage fell apart leaving him accepting Rorschach’s Philosophy: we are alone. There is nothing else.
When Rorschach says he will not compromise even in the face of Armageddon, he just lamented the little time available, that psychologist should have just left the room
this is definitely one of the more disturbing episodes of the WATCHMEN canon and shows a fairly deeply dark tone to the series which is what marks it's difference to what what was the norm for comics at the time!!
Please somebody help me out here. I would've thought that the case of Kitty Genovese would be a stronger than the horrible incident with Gerald Grice. After all in Genovese's case there is obviously a stance where an assemblage people demonstrate a willingness to view what would be considered murder porn.
26:25 No. She was six. Her abductor killed her, butchered her and fed her to his German Shepherds. ... Gloria? Where are you going? ... I'm sorry. I don't know what stimulates you anymore. :p
