It is 2009, a watchmen movie is being made. It is 1986 I'm opening the book, 33 years have passed, HBO is making a show. It is 2003 a watchmen movie has been declared "unfilmable." It is 1987 I'm finishing the last chapter.
@@brianramirez8255 I liked Dr Manhattan in the movie, but the movie itself don't do justice to the masterpiece that Watchmen is. But the HBO show truly is a shitshow.
@@audio.video.disco. There were a lot of great creative decisions in the show but I think the overall quality is questionable. I think it's definitely more thought out than the movie where they tried to make everything "cool."
"I have never met someone so deliberately amoral. He suits the climate here: the madness, the pointless butchery. As I come to understand Vietnam and what it implies about the human condition, I also realize few humans will permit themselves such an understanding. Blake's different. He understands perfectly...and he doesn't care." God damn...
This is one of the most beautifully written and thought provoking chapters I’ve ever read. Not just in graphic novels but in any literature. How it makes you think about time, fate, omniscience, the galaxy. All the metaphors, tragedy, humanity, introspection. It’s always stayed with me.
Agreed, I thought this was a cool comic when I read the first 3 issues (Yes, I'm that old). The opening inner dialog blew my mind. I too realized this was special.
@Luke Starkiller I don't think the DC comics multiverse is relevant to Watchmen's greatness. Or at least the Zack Snyder film, HBO show, unnecessary crossover series & reluctant 'franchise' status are not relevant imo. Mainly because of those three I only think the HBO show is worthy of existing as an extension of the original, but also because Watchmen is a criticism of superhero comics made by a man who dislikes superhero fans with the comic series operating perfectly well as a standalone piece of literature too rather than just another pillar of DC's multiverse or just another successful comic series that *needs* to become an expanded franchise . Not to sound like I'm dissing your opinion though, you're allowed to feel how you feel for sure. Just for me personally, I think all of the franchise, the comic brand & multiverse, the spinoffs, etc are all irrelevant to original comic's status.
@@akasha924 Yeah lol but I was ok without the squids or the hints towards Rorshak being a sexist racist. These things although were not in the film I did not feel that they were missing lol.
I don't know why, but the reading done in this for this chapter always is so calming to me. Listening to Manhattan explain himself is weirdly relaxing.
I watched the Movie, thought it was interesting Saw this, realized some things in this reality that should not be touched by Hollywood But if it weren't for the movie would I have found the Novel It it weren't for the abridged adaptation that is the 2009 film, would I have ever found this masterpiece *Who makes the world?* It's too late, always has been
I wholeheartedly agree the comic series is better and I'm hardly a Snyder or really a fan of the movie..but I also don't think the film was *that* bad either or that it stands as an example of Hollywood butchering a beloved piece of literature. I still think Zack Snyder seemingly achieved the impossible by adapting the Watchmen story as well as he did. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I still think it's probably the best we could've got for a Watchmen movie, considering how lofty & unwise the task of adapting it is. (i do understand the original comment was more of a joke setup rather than a truly deep criticism though)
I have a love/hate relationship with the film. Sure it introduced me to one of the greatest literary works of the 20th century but at the same time it also changed and left out a bunch of the material that made the Watchmen universe so wholesome and captivating. I will say that it is an “interesting” adaptation to say the least. The motion picture comic does it much more justice.
This is something the movie didn't get into, Dr. Manhattan's perception of time. He's in all of time all the time. For him all of time is just the present, not the past or the future, just the present. That's awsome
This is a modern day great literary work and narrative, to equal anything done by other great writers and storytelles such as Shakespierre or even Homer... And like most of those great artists, their greatness is seldom celebrated as is merited, in their own time...
If you can't remember how the name of someone as well known as Shakespeare is spelled, then can we really trust that you have the literary knowledge to claim this as good as Shakespeare and Homer's work? I mean you can like it for sure & lavish it with praise, but I don't like that perspective of everything being a masterpiece or genius or comparable with __ and ___. I see the same type of comments a lot in conversations about music too. I just think it'd be better to hold off comparing people until you've actually done the research and spent a lifetime diving into the history of the subject that we're talking about so you can truly say what's as good as what. But if you were just comparing it to the Angry Dad comic book then never mind..in that case I'd agree this is up there with Homer & Bart's work.
What a wonderful way to present this epic material. Hearing it presented like this I am struck by the hopelessness in Jons tone. For all his power, he seems the most trapped of anyone.
Two hours into my past I collect a phonecall from my friend, telling me that another friend has committed suicide. I'm watching this now trying mitigate the hollow space inside of myself, not knowing what emotions I feel, or how to deal with the unknown inside of myself. This helps somewhat. He is still there two days into the past.
Is it just me, or did John feel a certain degree of guilt for Janey? I got the feeling that he was going through the motions with her because he wanted her to be happy, but eventually he realized that he simply couldn't give her what she wanted. Its like when he said "the world is moving forward and I'm standing still."
Late reply, it was how he told the experience of time from the perspective of someone who is outside of it. Where the past, present, and future are practically the same to him. Blew my mind.
I like to think the Fatman crushing the watch is the bomb leading to the news paper. The paper leading to the watch being tossed, and on and on until dr Manhattan
the two arent mutually exclusive lol. but yeah youre right its not a comic book since this is a motion comic so its devoid of half of what makes Watchmen so great by experiencing the boundary pushing pinnacle of the comic book medium in comic book form.
The main downside to all of the Motion Comics, is that it leaves the page or two of excerpts that each chapter ends with. All of that sets the tone as the chapter ends and some how prepares you for the following chapter.
nah. the main downside to motion comics is it's a completely different way of experiencing the story from how the original creators intended. I don't have a problem with people watching motion comics, but if you think motion comics are just like normal comics aside from _that_ one downside you mentioned then I'd have to disagree with you a lot. For a casual reader/viewer who only wants the story, motion comics can be fine. But if you want the reading experience, the intended pacing, the visual look & arrangement of a comic book and so many more aspects that are *especially* relevant for Watchmen as the quintessential representation of the comic book medium's boundaries, then you're selling yourself short by just settling for a motion comic and thinking chapter ends are the only negative aspect. sorry if my comment sounded hostile though, I mean my comment respectfully, even if it is 5 years late & worded in an overly-matter-of-fact way :)
@@KaizerBeatz-vf9wf The score is great for these motion comics and gives me a greater sense of immersion. Whatever suits you but having fitting music suits me better.
This chapter puts Moore into the same literary genius as Faulkner and Joyce. The structure of this is brilliant. Though I don’t think this video truly illustrates that structure as if you were reading the comic. In fact, in my opinion, it misses a representation of time that only comics can do. By using a panel structure we can see time in the same way as dr.manhattan. We naturally read them linearly but we also can see every panel presented on the page at once, just not in detail unless we study them individually. They all exist simultaneously in the same space at the same time on the same page. We can see johns memories of 1985 and of 1959 at the exact same time when they are shown on the same page. This perfectly mirrors the way The character sees time. He exists throughout the past present and future simultaneously though he has to focus on individual times in order to properly interact. Absolute genius. That kind of thing is why so many consider watchmen to be “unfilmable” it uses every aspect of the comic format in order to tell the story. Artwork, panel layout, lettering, page flipping, juxtaposition, etc. it makes the most of each aspect beautifully.
Personally a fave chapter, just rivalled by the rorsach origin chapter. Something genuinely haunting about how Dr Manhattans Omnipotence makes him observe events from several times and places at once looking back at his origin. Gives a seriously Dickensian Depth to the prose in this Avant Garde Superman's story.
Cali Braxus holy shit ive literally read watchmen for about 4 times, an annotated version and watched AND READ a couple of deep analysis writings and videos and stuff like this STILL keeps coming up good catch there
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@@francisxi4158 I don't even know how many times I've read it over the last thirty years, and I'd never noticed that before. Its little touches like that that make it such a classic. And the TV adaptation is stunning. I think if old Grumbly Beard climbed down off his high horse and watched it, he'd enjoy it too. I can't understand why its getting so much hate.
Watching these has given me so much insight and more love for the movie as well. I never actually read the book but I've known the movie well enough to quote it and see how it runs parallel. The story goes so much deeper here and the movie actually does a few things better. I know some people are purists and will crap on anything that isn't the original, but putting the two together makes for a more complete work in my opinion.
@@falaflani4831Now you're just being an asshole. They still had to adapt it into a motion comic. No matter how similar it is to the original product, that fact remains unchanged.
Watching this after having never read the series and having watched the movie multiple times and falling in love with it, I have come to an important conclusion. This is more awesome than the movie. Absolute genius storytelling!!!
Wishing he could only live in the moment. Unable to escape from the curse of knowledge and emotion. Powerless against the reality of time. If god was human this would be his story. Literally comic book Jesus.
This chapter was executed brilliantly. The music, the graphics, the narration of this incredible writing, all incredible. Does anybody know the name of the score?
@@Buntod I think it's really good for being inventive and taking a lot of the alternate world from the comics and running with it. It also has a lot of moments that seem confusing but pay off later so it's rewarding if you get invested. I can see why a lot of people don't like it though. Like the original, it's pretty overtly political, but the original is old enough that it's easier to get past that aspect. The fact that it takes its creative freedom and runs with it is always going to turn a lot of people off too. It's not for everyone but if you go in with an open mind and realize that the original was weird social commentary then it's not hard to see why fans would make the HBO series what it is.
Incredible. Perhaps one of the most underrated pulp synopses of the soon to be posthuman phenomenon. With the coming singularity, humanity will be rendered as immediately anachronistic as museum fossils...our struggles deemed to be no more important than those of loud, yelling ants. Big thanks!
God damn it... this writing is just...perfect.... Alan Moore, man. Say what you want about the guy but Jesus Christ... This isn’t the finest comic book ever written (it absolutely IS... but let me finish) it’s one of the finest pieces of writing ever put to paper.
