We are failing to see how much better off humanity could be 

I support this stance with sword and shield in hand!

Consistent good nutrition= PAS-TA!

What an amazing video.

@queerdo Occam's Razor. Any other explanation requires specifying another component, doesn't it?

It's a shame you didn't even bring psychedelics into the conversation.

For real. People are always terrified of new technology and Ideas and instead of thinking of new ways to safely use them for humanities’s benefit, their first thought is to come up with reasons why it’s bad and we should never do it. People’s wild pessimism about our future very well might be a self fulfilling prophecy.

I don't know if i agree with you but everyone has their own veiws .. i just have a feeling that death is natural because everything dies at some point even stars on the sky

Lol

blood for the blood god! skulls for the skull throne! lust for the lust god! but most importantly... *M I L K F O R T H E K H O R N E F L A K E S*

Too much of a good thing is real, so....

Have faith in the God-Emperor Heretic! Humanity's future is righteous and glorious, unlike the prideful and wretched Eldar.

NEW SENSATION

Unless totalitarian china has anything to say about it. We HAVE to win ww3 against china when it in comes.

@@gwho strike first.

@@gwho I don't think direct war with China will ever happen. Both the U.S and China have nukes, and neither country's leaders want their countries being nuked out of existence by the other. A second Cold War where both fight over puppet states controlled by the other is far more likely.

@MrHolyKindness humans are in all senses just monkeys that have been domesticated by society. We call our species intelligence but are only as intelligent as we out because we train each other from birth.

Society will collapse before that.

It's not invented by CGP though, 2005 novel "The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant" did that first and his video is partically an adaption of that novel

Except technology simply won't get to that point. Immortality would be fine and dandy, but need for resources will ALWAYS be an issue (heck, it's a problem now even with finite lifetimes), and it will just get worse if more people are born while older generations never die off. Chasing after a fantasy such as an eternal future just foolishly throws away the chance to enjoy the present, and I've made my peace with eventually passing after a limited but long life of experiences the joys of the world. Sorry, but I intend to live without chasing fantasies.

@@mrreyes5004 I don't think entertaining a notion on occasion is living whilst chasing a fantasy, but sure.

This is a much needed, more optimistic take on the future, to balance things out. All in all, I am not the most optimistic, given the current societal trends. Though it is good to have some understanding of all the negatives, it isn't all that helpful to only worry about the bad. Particular a later video of this channel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3K25VPdbAjU.html addresses things I have considered. But haven't given much thought. Particularly the larger than exponential growth of tech.

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@@wandering5381 not used it in ages, and didn't do much with it when I did- My longwindedness transcends platform! Idk, just irks me when people use a metaphor to show how obviously correct they are, and then don't examine that metaphor. More often than not, the metaphor is as debatable as the actual debated point, and it's just relied on that people don't want to argue about not one but two things- not saying it was intentional, but it does happen. Jokes on them, though, I'm perfectly willing to write a small novel based on a few lines I didn't quite agree with.

Under-rated comment.

@@MarkusAldawn I actually really appreciate the lengths you went to in examining the metaphor. I myself am a CODA, of a Child of Deaf Adults. Both of my parents are deaf, but I am hearing and have had the experience of growing up around the deaf community. Its shockingly common to see deaf people decline the use of hearing aids and even frown upon cochlear implants (For those unaware, a cochlear implant is a surgical procedure which implants a magnet in the skull to hold a receiver for what is more or less a very advanced and much more sensitive hearing aid). In fact my parents, despite both of them having gotten CIs scarcely ever wear them. My mom found it very cool she could hear the train on the tracks a ways from where we lived at the time or the sound of rain, but quickly got annoyed with some of the more repetitive noises like the A/C kicking on, car horns, the fire alarm chirping when the battery needed to be replaced, etc, all things that hearing people have a tendency to just tune out. Information overload is very much a real thing and people who never had the ability to hear or to see likely have adapted naturally to compensate for their condition and the addition of new stimuli can quickly become overwhelming or irritating. In addition to that, should we "fix" all these conditions there are things that we stand to lose as well. For example, what is the use of sign language without the deaf? Sign is a fascinating language that can often communicate better than the spoken word because it combines signs, body language, and imagery to convey a message rather than just words. In short, what may look to be disadvantages or disabilities to some can be seen as an avenue to an entirely different way of looking at the world to others. Who is to say which has the greater potential?

@@Excal111 I find what your parents do really interesting- because if you don't wanna wear your augmentations, or don't want them sometimes, or want to pick and choose, it should be up to you. Seems like a pretty good starting principle of just Things in general. Although now I'm imagining your parents having people around for dinner while the fire alarm is screeching, so any guests who can hear are just thinking "what sort of bizarre power move is this?" and admittedly, the idea does make me laugh. Honestly, I like Baby from Baby Driver as an example of managing your own sense-experience. Got tinnitus? Drown it out with music. Got to drive? Hit the rhythm. Got to communicate? Lip-reading and sign-language. I'd make a strong argument that Baby Driver put forward the case of sensory self-determination, and for a movie that's literally based around the concept of music as a thing, it's not necessarily a natural point to end up with a character with a hearing difficulty, who communicates almost exclusively through sign language, and who uses lip-reading to understand the conversations taking place around him, so it's extremely cool that it did. Only a few times does he actually have to rely on his hearing to communicate, and mostly he uses it like your mum does- to listen to things that sound cool, and to gather and enjoy information on their terms (for your mum, "it's raining" or "the train's coming," for Baby "I need to drive like nobody has ever driven before and I will do it to the rhythms of Africa by Toto"). Idk, I just think it's cool that we can have the take "person who listens to music all the time in a movie where music is integral to the plot can also be an allegory for only using your cochlear implant how you want to." Maybe it doesn't make as much sense as I think it does, but imo it's pretty neat.

Yeah, I want all the extra senses I can handle, but I'm not sure I want to rewire my brain to "fix" aphantasia.

@@lordcirth But aphantasia is just lacking one more sense. Furthermore, gaining any sense involves rewiring the brain. Someone born blind does not exist in darkness, but is incapable of comprehending sight. Should they be given sight, their mind will undergo drastic changes even as they learn to comprehend the concept of a straight line beyond muscle movements.

@@SeventhSolar It's not really a sense, though? It doesn't detect the outside world, it's a way of thinking.

@@lordcirth Makes sense.

@@DahistheDah I have almost complete aphantasia, and I can read faster than speech. I wasn't aware it was strongly correlated with reading speed?

Is uditphog a weird uh warping of a music genre that spawned from the term Up Dawg? Does Up Dawg have some unforseen signficance in the future like how dude is in our very common vernacular?

@@derpherp1810 What's Up Dawg?

@@sethsoarenson7414 GOTEEM

CGPGrey also used a drawing of a dragon like this in a video about immortality. Both are probably inspired by Nick Bostrom's story "The Dragon Tyrant"

they made death hot bruh 😭

thank you for sharing your experience.

@@nessiecz2006 I have even more experience. Ask any question about echoloaction and I'll try to answer it. Thanks for your intereset in my comment.

@@jumpander How does it affect your normal hearing? Is it better or worse? Does it allow you to supplement your situational awareness or something like that? Do you have to concentrate to do it? Lots of questions, sorry.

@@litrpg101 How does it affect my normal hearing? Is it better or worse? I can't really tell because the process of acquiring human echolocation took place over several months, gradually increasing my ability and understanding. As any slow change, you hardly notice or look for it. But in retrospective I can say that my hearing feels better. First of all, I have hyperacusis or have developed it. I don't know if I always had it but my guess is yes. My hyperacusis makes me hear the high frequencies above 3 kHz to 5 kHz louder than other people. This means that opening an aluminium/plastic pack of chips (even though I don't eat chips) hurts like hell on bad and is uncomfortable on good days. But me learning echolocation definitely "worsened" my hyperacusis. But it's only "worse" if you can't use your different hearing. My hearing is not perfect, I'm 23 and can hear comfortably up to 16kHz and on good days up to 17k to 18 kHz. Although I can't tell that easily because I listen to audio devices very very low in comparison to other people (as much as 3 to 5 times as low, if other people listen to music at 50% - 70% of total the volume I listen at 4% to 12%, I tested it). That means I hear higher frequencies more intense and I hear things louder than other people. Whether that developed due to me learning echolocation, that... I don't know. But because I'm now aware of my hearing I can protect it better, that means slower presbyacusis (becoming hard of hearing the older you get) because of less damage over a lifetime. That alone makes or will make my hearing better than that of others. But enough of my hearing alone. Me learning echolocation made me able to better focus on specific sounds. So for example, when someone listens to traffic that someone may distinguish a few cars, a few pedestrians and mostly what's in front of him/her and what's in sight. For me I can focus on finer details because my brain knows what to expect and anticipates it. I hear all the cars around me and across the streets, I hear the pedestrians walking and talking behind, beside and in front of me, I can make out what's happening, how someone's oriented, where they're looking (if they are talking) even if I don't look, etc. So basically before I could only hear what I saw with my eyes and now I can hear/see everything that's around me. This seems awkward on occasion because I sometimes talk with people not looking at them or with closed eyes. What they don't know is that I still see them, I just don't look at them with my eyes. Furthermore, as a natural consequence I talk quieter than other people because I hear "better" or more. That causes issue sometimes. Does it allow me to supplement my situational awareness or something like that? Definitely, yes. I have to force myself to look (at a crossing) when riding a bike because that's the normal way to do it. If I were serious I wouldn't have to look but just listen. I'm still not a master, I can't walk long distances without a blindman's stick and I don't have much experience in urban areas, because I'm afraid of cars hitting me and me hitting other people. But when it comes to echolocation in the forest or inside and outside of buildings and rooms, I'm already so good that I don't need anything further: Just my ears and closed eyes. Besides, I don't have to look anymore to see something. If someone enters a room full of people, for example, almost everyone will look at said person. But I just sit there and listen, listen to every detail I can make out. Therefore, I don't need to look anymore. When it's dark inside or outside I don't need to use light anymore to find the right way. And I can make out the size and shape of dark spaces I normally couldn't enter (like a tunnel, a room where I can't get into, a deep well, the size of a room behind me, etc.). So yes, echolocation very much supplements my situational awareness. (It actually creates situational awareness even if there is none. For example 3D-audio story videos on youtube are really great because I don't just hear it but I can actually see it.) Do you have to concentrate to do it? As everything in life, you have to train it or it will become stale. The more I actively echolocate with closed eyes and the more uncomfortable new places I go to for said training, the better I become. If I don't train for like more than a month I need a few minutes (and mostly an hour) to re-learn the ability a little bit. The framework is there, I just have to remind my brain that echolocation is a thing that it can do. And when I'm echolocating I constantly have to concentrate. I analyze the sound (in that order) as followed: As an example I'll use a normal long and high 'brick wall'. - I look for what's actually there that I hear: A tall and wide object that reflects sound very well. - Then I look for what I can't hear: I can't hear the echos behind the wall, but I can hear the echos that the object walls back at the walls behind me. I can't hear people talking, leaves blowing in the wind and rain falling behind that object, so it must be pretty solid. - Then I look for what may be there: A tall and wide object that's thick enough to not let through any sound and reflects almost all frequencies of my tongue click. So it is a wall! - Now that, but way more detailed than just "a wall". I can tell how I'm oriented to the wall, how tall it actually is, how long it goes on on both sides, whether there are windows or doors, whether there are street lights in front of it, whether there's grass or stones as a fundament; and so on. However, in the early stages of learning echolocation I had to concentrate a lot more than I have to now. Now, it's almost natural because of honest repetition and years of exposure. But I daily discover new objects that I haven't looked at with echolocation yet to add to my inventory of echolocated-objects inside my head. The more I'm familiar with the places I'm echolocating at the easier it obviously is. Summarized: I have to concentrate but way less than I had to when I started learning echolocation. Lots of words for lots of questions. :D I can answer more if you're still interested.

@@jumpander so do u form an image in your brain of your surroundings or have a.. sort of feeling or can sense and know there's something and how accurate is it compare to vision also do u hear echos in your daily life and what if a bat was echoing will u be able to sense with that? sorry for so many questions but i am really curious now

Man plus machine equals improved man. Not monster

Everyone imagines these enlightened immortal beings would be them, and not the psychopaths, the power mongers, and just how about anyone would become evil by having the freedom of not dying and being bored. They paint a complete dystopia as an utopia. It is the very definition of a cult mindset being brewed in this video.

egocentrism and id passifying go burrrr

sen il incompetent hacks as presidents seems strangelly illfated

@@wasdwasdedsf nothing worth having comes easily the same applies to societies. If you want to do something that's never been done before don't expect it to come without mountains of effort. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't give up hope it's not a surprise that we live in a corrupt world it's part of the course if we are going to get to the point where humanity achieves the higher state of being, it will be coming out of the lower state of being Some time yang shi sure, and I hope it might give you a more positive outlook

@@no_special_person sure no worries, im quite positive overall, the current clown establishment seems to be on a constant suicide mission in destroying their credibillity, and their intellect seems unable to reach heights enough to even realize what theyre doing

@@wasdwasdedsf 100% in agreement

We will always be children in the eyes of Time

Primitive, yes, but not stupid. We feel pretty good about things like iPhones and spaceflight, but our brains are still the same as they were 50,000 years ago. If brains like that could do all of this, then I don’t feel like we’re as primitive as you say

@@wren_. Yeah I agree. I guess what I was thinking is that we are at a point where we can truly begin to understand just how much we still don't know and the incredible size of our limitations. Still, all of that makes us even more amazing and like you say, the fact that we've managed to take things to the level that they are now with pretty much the same biology it's really mindblowing.

@@wren_. Its relative. All we have done and could do will likely seem trivial once we grow past our fragile little bodies of evolved meat. If anything it will probably seem impressive we got so far with so little.

think about all the energy of all the stars being wasted & all the quadrillions of people that could be thriving using that energy

If you can give a person new sences you can likely adjust then too, i mean we are talking of theoretical technology but for example people with a cloquear implant can already regulate the volumen at which they hesr things Also at that point it would depend on the person in question, do you want new sences or not it would be for everyone to decide on their own neither forcing then to accept it or denying then the access because of ill conceived notions of what they can or can't suport

It should be their choice, not forced upon them. Pronatalism is child abuse.

I'm not at all sure that new senses is actually possible in the sense implied without far more radical brain alteration - Our brains have evolved to have the capacity to process a certain amount of sensory input. Where will the new senses be processed? Surely some other part of our senses or mental functioning would be diminished. We can see that this must be so because we have almost certainly lost our pre-human ancestors keener sense of smell and hearing

tell me more?

I want this future:3

Imagine a criminal that committed heinous crimes, a psychopath, that was immortal. How would society deal with that? I agree with you, it is not a good thing, even if it were possible.

And I think it would be so sad to never have kids on the planet again; if immortality was widespread we’d have to stop reproducing. Kids are adorable and entertaining. And are we gonna make our dogs live forever too? No more puppies? 😨

@@LKRaider Easy, turn off their arms and legs. If the technology allows immortality (teleporter) then it also allows control over life. Of course, no one would make a criminal immortal. One can get a new body but it won't be unbreakable. In fact one can "turn off" arms and legs by clipping the nerves of the spinal cord.

@@reasonablewalk4982 Lol I would so trade kids and puppies for immortality in a heartbeat and consider it a cheap price!

@@michaelcasper4727 then the monster can arise that uses that power to clip off the limbs of other future humans they deem as criminal, or a monster which imposes a form of control on all others. Sure it is just how i see things, but as good we think of a thing... i rather try not to forget that new monsters arise we can not forsee.

Seriously good points. I wish I had said this in the video. Ultimately technology should enable more freedom and not force us into experiences we may not want. As you say, everyone should be able to experience exactly what they choose to experience and live as they want to live, with probably some constraints (example: no kill other ppl please).

@@RationalAnimations What's wrong.with experiencing k1lling other ppl but not actually doing it? You already do this in a pseudo form with video games

@John Barber **disappointed necromancer noises as I stop the 'speak with dead' spell

Good point.... Reminds me when i'm exhausted and my head is fuzzy, I will actually close my eyes on my walk home, and rely near-completely on my hearing, tactile feeling through my feet and just raw memorization of a path I walked many times before. Somehow it took my exhausted mind to a sense of being focused and calm. Sometimes, turning off senses really does give one value they wouldn't expect.

I think it's likely that when technology advances to the point where we can have perfect simulations with direct neurological integration, we will want to experience life in an infinite variety of ways. If we are able to block out our memory and reconfigure our senses, we could live non human lives for fun. Maybe that's what this life is right now

My guess is that, in the future, humans will quickly grow tired of immortality. They'll probably build simulations where they can experience living with death, and they'll just do that over and over again for as long as they can keep the simulations running. Maybe that's what we're doing right now

i think the video frased it too simply, i think we should eliminete unwanted death but the ability to die should be permited and seen in a good way as long as the one who wishes it makes a wise and thoutfull desicion and does really think about it

@@DeusExNihilo I very much doubt that humanity will grow tired of immortality. There is already so much thing that are possible to experience and it pretty much impossible to experience them all in one life. You could spend multiple human lifespan only to master a single form of art. Many things can only be experienced when you live hundred, thousand or millions of year.

@@riblix4744 I didn't mean that they will end it all, but more like they'll play video games that you don't know are video games and you can feel pain and die in. Basically a hard mode

@@DeusExNihilo I mean, that just another type of entertainment that is open to people seeing as Death has been Killed. But, again, it doesn't mean that a Immortal Humanity will be mostly bored. I think it going to be the opposite. There is just too much to life to be lived in a single lifetime even in thousands of human lifetime. And beside, boredom is not the worst of feeling. I actually prefer boredom to feeling like I'm wasting precious, limited time.

Now imagine that same thing but with birds. And other random natrual sounds that occur outside all day Evey day. There you go. Your horror is an illusion a prison to make you feel like the entertainment being pumped into your skull gives you meaning. When one of your problems is probably a severe lack of phsycal stimulus and physical engagement. Seriously. Try lifting weights. See if that changes how your nervous system communicates with the body and brain. (From someone who get a panic when ever I'm not staring at a phone screen/have audio stimuli)

Ya, people don't understand life expectancy and it's even dumber when they explain that it's because babies die... Like bro really? A baby died so you're not going to live past 20s? Just so dumb.

Same thought. Speaker is talking BS. Actually makes me angry when I hear people put ancient man down lol. Once humans began cultivating grains they were able to harvest all the food they needed for the year in two weeks, rent free presumably. So I’m guessing they partied a lot too.

@@science3632 Kalahari bushmen work an average of 15 hours a week for their sustenance, which leaves plenty of time for jewelry, art, music dancing... of course they're protected, an unfortunate necessity. It will be much harder for us with the 2040 societal collapse. May you live in interesting times!

not as long as today, you'd likely die in your 50-60s of a lung infection

@@ThighErda Sounds like pure guesswork. Given the toxins we deal with we're probably worse off.

i hope i at least get the choice to try even the prototypes, because even if i only get to live a few more years, i will have contributed that much to helping others live longer. but i do wish to experience even a smidge of what our species could become.

Yeah, hopefully technology progresses enough so I can at least settle with uploading myself to a modular, self-repairing space station equip with a few ways to maneuver, bays for remote vessels or limpets, research labs, material refineries, production lines, and of course hot androids to exist with me until some random disaster or until the end of existence if it turns out there is such a thing.

@@defeatSpace oh heck, going full upload would be so fun, being a tiny drone or a star hopping fusion spacecraft, man humans have so much potential if we figure that stuff out. imagine all the things we could be

Well, if you believe in Jesus just wait til he comes back.

@@angrydragon4574 I'll be happy to let The Trinity transfer my consciousness to their archive in extradimensional Bulk space after I've had my fill of living in our familiar cosmos.

Do you feel sorry for our pre-homo sapien predecessors? How do you reconcile this with your attitude to possible post-homo sapien succesors? The only, evenly remotely defensible argument must rely on some notion of gradualism but that doesn't seem terribly reasonable to me and it still falls to the idea of gradual prosthetic enhancement which will clearly eventually reach the same state as direct replacement by AI.

​@@SmileyEmoji42trust me humanity has failed much worse when we killed God in the first and not to much that they're greedy bastards who only want to colonize other planets once we destroy this planet and the environment because everything has to come to an end at one point and with the amount of problems that humans cause these days without seeing their own mistakes that are programmed to repeat all the time

Every cell line - every cell in your body - is more than a billion years long. There is plenty of death, but also immortality.

All our feelings and values are derived from primal instincts. Resigning oneself to death was perhaps wise in a world where there was no hope of curing death in one's lifetime, but we are no longer in that world. Humans have spent thousands of years inventing ideas and stories to convince themselves that death isn't really death, or that death is somehow good, because we knew we couldn't avoid it. It is hard to comprehend the nonexistence of ourselves, but we can understand how horrible it is for our loved ones to be destroyed forever. Shaking off these old stories, about death and many other matters, is the next great step in our cultural development. "And someday when the descendants of humanity have spread from star to star, they won't tell their children about the history of Ancient Earth until they're old enough to bear it; and when they learn they'll weep to hear that such a thing as Death had ever once existed!" - HPMOR

Imagine this temporary life shaping you for an eternal one...

@@DeKnight95 Imagine that you are strong enough to live without needing that belief.

@@lordcirth We’re no closer to ending death now than we where 10 thousand years ago. We might be able to stave it off for longer, but so long as entropy is the rule of the universe death is an eventuality.

@@baneofbanes That's just nitpicking. The heat death of the universe is probably unavoidable. That doesn't mean we should give up and allow death to happen before then.

Care to elaborate?

@@zingorideslegocreations3729 I example is being Connect to computers....yes it could make us smarter but also make us more susceptible to hacks...and technically we wouldn't be human if we attach machines to ourselves or manipulate our DNA...once we redesign the original 'blueprint' of our dna we will be less than human but that s only my opinion...

@@leivajoe80 What does it mean to be 'human', though? Why would it be preferable to be 'human', as opposed to something else?

@@ThingsStuffington good question...I don't know...this is only my opinion...but wanting to change or 'upgrade' seems to imply that something is missing in the human being...a belief that we are sub-par...but we can upgrade our physical body and all its attributes as much as we like but the problem with the Human condition isn't the physical external it's our internal state that needs to be worked on...and no genetical upgrade or mechanical prosthesis will help to Fix our internal nature... these ideas are just like when in past they would sell us cars or clothes or anything else external to try to make us feel like we can be better...but materialism is empty happiness...now it's (example):hey would you like to have night vision or robotic arm to lift heavier weights....yes it might add to your life but won't satisfy our internal space , that doesn't 'fill' from outer attachments...

@@leivajoe80 i don't really get your point from your perspective but considering it from an individualistic point of view, someone, out of their free will would definitely want such "upgrades" for their experiences, to explore, to know more, to do more. and chances are that if someone does, someone else would too. fulfilling selfish desires and becoming a better version of them as they them self imagine it, is very much human. at this perspective, "small" (as seen by people with this point of view) changes such as having nonhuman arms as opposed to natural ones would seem very superficial compared to the results it would get them. this is even a, similar. line of logic to why people pay for plastic surgeries or wear artificial eyes.

Remember that in this case, Immortality is not a solo deal, and I think a lot of people dramatically overestimate how fast they will run out of interesting things to do. Immortality is far better than people think when *everyone* has access to it, not just a select few who suffer alone

@@UNSCPILOT well that is true, different people will still experience it differently, the generation that gets immortality wouldn’t have been born with immortality and so they would have different opinions on it, they generation born during it would find immortality much more normal, and probably wouldn’t have many different opinions on it, I would probably lose interest in up to about 1000 years, the main things keeping me interested in life at all would be video games, if I made a social connection, them, youtubers would be Immortal and therefore I have an infinite flow content from whatever youtubers. I think a way the world will change, in prisons, some prisoners wouldn’t get life sentences like the would’ve for their crime, they would sit in prison for however long their sentence is, and then be executed, or they do get life sentences and suffer in prison for days. Maybe there would be a company that will let you kill yourself if your over a certain age, i wonder if phobias would still exist, could you still be afraid of spiders, I wonder how the immortality thing would work, could you become immortal when your young, or only at a certain age.

Most of that "stagnation" stuff comes from people with no imagination. Sometimes you end up resting but unless something is preventing you from recovering and having fun you will go back to living life happily in time. People feel hopeless already and assume more life would mean more of what they have which is flawed for other reasons.

A key question for me is how fast we forget stuff. Our memories are limited. It is unclear whether our boredom would overtake our capacity to remember causing us to commit suicide or whether we would eventually settle into a stable level of boredom whereby after N years an experience would be old enough to feel like something new. The idea of enjoyong actual new experiences forever clearly cannot work.

It seems like the two 'death is good' perspectives here cancel each other out. Like, if data storage capacity is an issue and you can't record new experiences infinitely without deleting old ones, then one can revisit 'old' deleted things and engage with them as if they were new.

@@ThingsStuffington "Like, if data storage capacity is an issue and you can't record new experiences infinitely without deleting old ones, then one can revisit 'old' deleted things and engage with them as if they were new." It actually brings up the question of "How would that be any different from dying, then?" If you are functionally a different person, why resist that natural process of advancement and recycling at all? That's what having children and dying is after all.. Procreation *is* evolution, and death is a recycling of biological materials back into the system. That recycling process actually ensures biological material continues to increase. Given we live in a generally symbiotic biome, our corpses are actually useful. (realistically it would be better for the Earth's system if we put our bodies through a blender and fertilized the landscape instead of burn or preserve & bury the bodies). If we have all our old vices, I could see reproduction of humans easily going off the charts for far longer than it should and damaging that process. Hopefully if we're at the point we're stopping aging, we should be marginally better at genetic engineering, so maybe this won't be so much of a problem as just engineering our fertility down, or even rendering our whole species infertile and only lab growing children when and if needed could fix those issues. I can imagine a lot of our current species having problems with those solutions. Since we all know what giving god-like power to humans tends to do, and technologically enhancing ourselves with bio-engineering doesn't mean we're going to be any better morally than we are now. We actually seem to be trending back towards pure xenophobia due to certain groups within our current political spheres. Depending where you are on the spectrum of that, it likely won't be who you are thinking. Though this entire question of "Killing the Monster: Death" just raises more questions and concerns. Immortal people are easily a resource problem. Resources in any region are finite, this includes space. Our ability to travel, according to all known practical scientific hypothesis, cannot exceed the speed of light. Eventually all other galaxies will be traveling away from our galaxy cluster at the speed of light (because how quickly space expands is slowly speeding up) meaning we will only have what we've got and having a growing population that exists eternally will cause the critical issue of resource limitations for the future by their sheer existence now. You also have to consider the goal of eliminating "death" and how you go about it. Realistically, from what we know about the universe, there is no salvation at the end of time. Heat death is heat death and there really isn't anything anyone can do about it in the grand scheme of things. At least not with our current mathematics and understanding of how everything works (which is fairly solid, not perfect but solid). So you really have to think about it. If you're biologically immortal and continue to accrue and use resources (and you will) you are depriving other entities of resources later. Who decides who gets to be immortal, why are they chosen, are they replaced, can we overcome human and technological limitations to continue with an uninterrupted stream of consciousness for as long as possible, what is the practical use of this? These are all things you should consider before you think about "killing death". Sure it's a pleasant idea in the short term, but it has extremely long term ramifications that most people would have trouble quantifying. I more agree with a cyclical existence that we can't necessarily fully control. Chance is far fairer than we as humans could ever hope to be, since if we went the immortal route humans would have to get used to playing God. Surely we would be preferential to those we personally endorse. While this video is good for drawing up these questions, it's very shallow in content. If you're really interested in Futurism Maybe check out the Isaac Arthur RU-vid channel if you want someone that's more involved in thinking about this stuff in a more practical fashion. ru-vid.com/show-UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g Sounds kinda like Elmer Fudd, but the man will get you thinking hard about the topics he covers. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ok8N2PkqCDs.html - Trans-humanism and Immortality. If you are interested, since this is the topic of this video.

r o t a t é b a n a n a can you remember seeing something and describe what it looked like? like, can you remember characteristics?

@@xymaryai8283 It's quite easy for me to forget what people look like if I haven't seen them for awhile, but I could remember things like voice and smell. If that helps you any :)

Me toooo

We also don't necessarily have a clear perspective into the past on how people actually thought. Even with the amount of historical data we have, it's basically immeasurable how much we don't know. So much of our operating system isn't hardwired that it seems foolish to me that we can think we understand anything about people in the past.

Interestingly The is-ought problem highlights how absolute moral values cant’t be derived from scientific truths. There is no scientific approach we can take to morality that doesn’t include at least one axiomatic assumption. Basically morality can only exist relative to un-provable assumptions. Like how math requires assumed axioms to have any meaning.

Underrated comment. Upvoted.

Well if we're wrong we can just, uh, y'know.

If you consider life as a very organized system which is aware... then you can have life without death, the same way there are already age-immortal beings in Earth

Maybe it feels archaic because we're actually in a simulation of life in the past. It's something like a historical fiction movie that we do for entertainment in the future

Many things have gone backwards in society, specially during the last 200 years. Progress is an illusion, we are trapping ourselves with expensive toys and stunting our growth as free beings.

why do you think it's sad?

Maybe at first? If one's physical and emotional needs were met, I have a feeling immortal people would.. kinda get bored after awhile, and demand change. I mean, if we could keep that childlike wonder or teenage sense of excitement into our centennial years, why would we stop pushing our boundaries? Often, it's our fear of death, of getting hurt, and the buildup of physical and emotional scars of living that cause us to gravitate to the comforting and known. I mean, I'm not saying that there wouldn't be immortal homebodies, but I don't think they would be the majority. Overcomming death would involve.. ALot of changes on so many levels before we as a race could even begin to breach the subject without causing all of humanity to fall apart. But, conceivably? Maybe? Just not in our lifetimes lol.

At the blistering speed of genomics research, I doubt death is going to be a controversy in the deep future, but rather, in the next 100 years.

What would you do with eternity? There's a physical limit to the skills and memories you can develop, even in this hypothetical future where enhanced abilities are one download away. Once you've reached that limit what do you do next? How do you decide what to abandon in order to gain new skills and memories? What value do you assign to your experiences knowing you'll eventually have to give them up?

@@MrDj232 I'd see it as an endless self improvement journey, always pushing myself to be greater and more knowledgeable than I was before, I don't think retaining every single thing you've learned is necessary to do this however, especially since our generation is experiencing information overload because of the internet, it's not too hard to see how we'd deal with it as immortals. In my experience, most information I look at it is for brief amusement, though if it's something that's strictly beneficial to me and my life I'd retain it as long as I need to until I've Incorporated it into a routine, habit, ritual, lifestyle, basically until it feels natural. When it comes to skills, I can only say you'd need skilled people to solve problems, and I doubt we'd have a shortage of problems in the future, even if we were to live forever and we lived in a flawless society, we'd still have a universe to explore, new theories to prove right or wrong, dealing with other civilizations who'd probably be less fortunate than us, celestial disasters, natural disasters, etc, these are just a few that I can think of, but I doubt there'd be a lack of things to give you purpose, even in eternity, and even if we figure out everything, the journey is going to be massive, I'd rather experience it instead of dying at the start.

Honestly, probably the same sort of stuff I do now, but forever and probably with a lot less anxiety. I already approach each experience, knowing that I'll eventually have to give it up.