We Can’t Believe we caught This Predator 

Amazing… you get it. People who don’t have livestock have no idea what we go through. Nice work!

Good job

you haven't lived on a farm have you? A bob cat kill ur animal? it's dead. UR OWN DOG kills an animal? it's dead. If your on a farm you do what you have to do to keep ur animals and ur family safe form anything that may be harmful, that's why they have to put there animals in every night, that's why they have to get electric fences, thos animals are wild and wild animals will eat ur farm animals and if they do they need to be put down or re-homed and in this case the wild life people didnt feel the need to come out and re-home it so 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️, it's very simple!!

@@FlamFlim00 Haha 😂 try to read it again! I said nothing about maintenance of your farm! Just the simple thing that they were beautiful animals! But I guess there’s always people that tries to go through life only seeing the negativity! But hey you be you🙏 But happiness will give you more! So I hope you get a wonderful day! And yes I’ve lived on a farm my whole life! And we have wolverines, wolfs and bear problems!

@@FlamFlim00 I hope you get a wonderful day at work ! just felt you may need something positive🙏

@@FlamFlim00 If your dog kills your own animals, then you have to blame yourself and not the dog 🙃

@@FlamFlim00 they didn’t say anything about that they simply said they are majestic and they are ❤ I love all animals

EXACTLY what I was thinking.

@@Nateishungry that’s a bad idea it could hurt more wildlife so stick with their idea yes they are more effective JUST DONT DO ITT PLEASEEE

more "live" catch traps and a bb/paintball gun make them learn

He did the right thing. If these animals weren't a problem the government organizations wouldn't be ok to their removal. The predators also Carry many diseases that can wipe out a group of fowl. As food becomes more expensive in the stores more and more people will start getting chickens and turkeys. We can have everything but swine where I am. I was told The only place that can have swine is town hall, as long as they stays in their cubical. Then of course DC has most in the country's swine... and on the local level, the capital buildings across the country. I've seen a large Dog ripped to shreds by a coyote, over 1000 stitches, but survived. Bobcats are the opportunist like most cats. We have them all over where I live, north of Phoenix in cave creek AZ. They not only kill farm animals but they kill pets. Lots of pets. We have so many people who that move out to AZ without having any information on living with wildlife. we had, HAD, a large heard of deer on our Mt, black mountain. But every winter snowbirds would take out a few. They are gone now which leaves the 3 or 4 mountain lions in the area in search or other things to eat. We have coyote and foxes of course but the Bobcats, Mt lions will walk right down the street where my home is. They are on our roof as well.

​@@Nateishungry They're proven otherwise. Killing coyotes just puts predator pressure on them and makes them procreate more to fill the void. LGDs just keep them at bay, so they don't have any voids to fill. They just stay away.

foxes killed all my chickens.....thats what they do

Plus they really didn’t want to dispatch the bobcat they wanted to send it to the conservation but yeah, I hate raccoons, rats, wild cats, AND foxes they hunt my chickens raccoons and cats are the most common down in Missouri where he and I live.

Predator proof your poultry with fully enclosed larger structures, boredom busters and multiple feeders /water would alleviate alot of the fighting among your birds and would give them a happier healthy and lifestyle

mind i ask i don't know much about farm life, what does a donkey do to keep out predators?

@@SilentDarkAngel16 donkeys (and mules) are territorial and will chase predators away, they’ll even become aggressive and kick and stomp and bite if scare tactics don’t work. This applies to cougars, coyotes etc. Sounds weird because donkeys are cute and goofy, but it’s true.

@@KingKarlie Yeah until they perceive their harmless dog as a threat and start picking on it. They don't know the difference between good and bad dogs.

@@bargetherooster3079 you’re likely correct but I’m sure there are begillions of farms with donkeys and dogs and it’s all fine and dandy 🤷‍♀️

You dolt the traps don’t hurt at all😂 it literally just grabs the foot. Watch people put their hands into the traps

Agree. We do the same.

Agreed. It's up to the human to keep predators away from animals they keep, not kill wildlife because they outsmarted the human. I was also saddened by the loss of the wild animals; I was really hoping for a humane trap-and-release scenario. Disappointed about the painful snap-traps. Additionally, the area needs these predators to keep other nuisance critters at bay, like rabbit, snakes, gophers and the like; the overall health of their lands depends on a healthy wild ecosystem.

I was also very sad and disappointed by this episode 😢

@@k9thundra Humans the smartest animal in the world that's debatable we destroy everything we touch .

You know how dumb that is to let that happen to your animals. That is considered animal endangerment.

My poor dogs kill fox everytime, when fox dont run away

People say it's wrong to kill wild animals, it's the circle of life. It's no difference to killing cows, sheep etc,

@@dextersampson6450 what’s the difference they’re both animals, why should foxes and bob cats life be more important then sheep, chickens , etc . If you’re gonna have a certain energy for one animal have them for all of them

I'm assume you live in town or don't raise animals?

@@shemira8084 the difference is that we eat the sheep and chickens, they probably didn’t eat the fox or bobcat 😅

Well, there is a large, thriving population of bobcats all over the United States, especially in Missouri, which is where they are.

I know that, and it’s not even the same species if I’m not mistaken, but that’s why it felt so weird for me. I understand why they had to do it and I don’t think I would have done anything differently but it felt surreal for a moment

you haven't lived on a farm have you. A bob cat kill ur animal? it's dead. UR OWN DOG kills an animal? it's dead. If your on a farm you do what you have to do to keep ur animals and ur family safe form anything that may be harmful, that's why they have to put there animals in every night, that's why they have to get electric fences, thos animals are wild and wild animals will eat ur farm animals and if they do they need to be put down or re-homed and in this case the wild life people didnt feel the need to come out and re-home it so 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️, it's very simple!!

It's 2023...no reason to be self sufficient if you can't do it rationally. Which your not, so go the grocery store prick.

@@FlamFlim00 I am a animal lover, so these harmful things hurt me. I am somebody who own chickens so i witness predators like this, but i never kill them.. i just let them go, they hunt for food and not for fun. You may be thinking that i just let my chickens go die, but no i love them dearly, so if i spot a predator near my chickens, i would just capture them then release them no matter the species.

Yeah, you probably shouldn’t have animals if you aren’t willing to protect them.

your obviously not a "Feral Famrgirl" if can't do some simple predator management to protect your live stock. P.S. foothold traps are not cruel in any way I've released countless amounts of animals from them and they do just fine

@@reductosmash2483 trust me the best way to deal with predators is to mange the population if you don't the population will get big enough that no matter what you do you won't be able to keep them away

@@whitehouseonthehill What a hypocrite. You shouldn't have animals or post them online if you can't handle people telling you what you're doing wrong. You're acting like a child in these comments buddy. Pathetic, you don't deserve to care for animals.

I totally agree with you. I am devastated as well.

The fence is a good idea, but how expensive would that be? And how effective? Coyotes are undeterred by slatted fences, and chain link fences take a lot of prep work.

Run electric along the fence…

Agreed. I said that on his video when they found the turkey and chicken had been taken.

@@sarahluchies1076 with a well-trained livestock guardian dog, the perimeter fence mostly isn't to keep predators out of the area, it's to keep the guardian dog from absolutely decimating them

@@sarahluchies1076 They should have invested in better fencing rather than an apiary? Unless they decide to put all their livestock in there

How is it inhumane. both Canada and The US have strict and very regulated trapping, Heck there's even a division of law enforcement to for animal conservation. if traps where inhumane they wouldn't be legal simple as that. And why livestock dogs, i get that there effective and what not and i'm gonna be honest i actually have one but i would rather have the predator killed via trapping than the predator killed and my dog potentially injured or also killed. the ecosystem will not be damage from predators dieing

​@@brennenmichel8855 there are strict laws that regulate and control over trapping to protect wildlife. They're not to protect people or livestock. They may have trapped and killed two animals that weren't involved in the killings of their livestock by baiting them, which is unethical and inhumane. I wouldn't consider dogs to be predators because they don't fit the niche of one. They're domesticated animals. Generally, there are particular livestock guardian breeds that do pursue predators, but most livestock guardian breeds stay and guard livestock. Studies have shown that livestock animals on farms are the most effective deterent for predators, even more than guns and fences. In my personal opinion, it is the farmer's responsibility to deter harmful wildlife interactions. They lost a rooster they weren't using for breeding, a female turkey that has no place to lay eggs in an all male poultry run, and a rare female duck that had potential for breeding purposes by a lake far from the farm. And in any case, the children are more likely to be attacked by their own farm animals than a wild one. I respect your disagreement but sadly nothing was solved in this video. The coyotes will be back, and even when those local coyotes are successfully trapped and killed, new ones will move in. Dogs will make it easier for you to train them. Their dog Joey is a herding dog, that doesn't herd. Her unused potential makes her not a good fit for the farm. Sadly, the cats serve more of a purpose than she does.

@@artistroad I think that a farmer should have all the means to protect there livestock including trapping.

@@TheEleonore18 I agree that unnecessary pain should be avoided. However, I don't believe that it's fair to make sweeping generalizations about the United States and its wildlife management practices. Different regions have different challenges, and it's important to find solutions that work in each specific context. studies have show that Trapping animals can help control populations, spread of diseases and damage to property. the only reason why it's inhumane is because you don't look at other people's point of view.

@brennen michel even if it means trapping and dispatching uninvolved animals? The camera trap caught only one coyote, and they ended up trapping and dispatching a fox and a bobcat. I mentioned the poultry killed because the farm is more for ornamental use than it is practical. They weren't being used for breeding purposes or meat production other than the duck. They aren't losing money from those losses. Livestock are replaceable. Wild animals aren't. Farmers don't have to use lethal means to protect their livestock. It's unsustainable and more work and more expensive than owning a livestock guardian dog.

or a donkey or two

Agreed! In Norway are does Kind of traps banned

Exactly, this is how many animals are extinct. There should be other ways. Like keeping hunting dogs or having gun shots just to scare them away.

dockys stay in there territory unlike guard dogs follow the animal they are guarding

It’s a daily challenge, we have a coyote, fox and raccoons that approach the farm animals nearly everyday. It’s a battle we’re working through.

Predator management is important and needed, especially once they have a taste for blood from your flock, and sadly this is the most humane way to do it

@@aykernsappalachia8263 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

You have to do what you have to do, it's you or them.

Once a wild animal finds an easy meal, they keep returning. Most of those animals, although intelligent, are also opportunistic. They will not just stop showing up. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions.

Livestock guardian dogs kill as well. But they are another option, yes.

@@whitehouseonthehill Its extremely rare that LGDs fight. They are protectors, that scare things with barks and scent, not trained killers. As long as you take the time to train them properly they will scare things away, not kill them. I know you guys are capable of doing that, and I'm still looking forward to your content in the future.

That’s a great testament to them, nice job

And if the predators manage to kill the guard dogs? They still at fault for not having the most advanced and humane equipment, yeah?

It’s difficult situation anyway you look at it. Predators are a threat, even if you have a guard dog, you also risk the life and well being of the guard dog.

@@anyastasia-db5kt They are literally following the recommendations of the local wildlife agency.

@@anyastasia-db5kt also, what a shitty thing to say when they are literally trying to protect their livestock and flocks from being wiped out.

@@skeelatheskink8724 they also kill some of their livestock themselves, so they're doing more harm then good killing both the fox or bobcat then eating the chicken or whichever of their animals they eat.

Scare away the predators without killing them. Yeah, provided they are fast enough to get away from the dog. I've seen vids and pictures of the remains of coyotes and foxes before that got caught by an LGD and trust me, the sight ain't pretty. Bloody mess would properly be the best way to describe it.

Livestock guardian dogs kill predators. You’re aware of that, right?

@@whitehouseonthehill They shouldn't have to if you're doing things the right way.

@@whitehouseonthehill LGD’s rarely get into physical alterations with predators. Their presence, sounds (barking) and smell do the most for deterring an attack. Especially if you have more than one.

@@totally_fancynoobex1001 I have a couple donkeys and haven’t seen a bobcat since!

@ThatOneSam also training an efficient herding dog is harder than training a guard dog. Yes the latter isn't easy either (creating a symbiosis between the dog and the birds etc), but herding dogs need to respond to certain types of commands to guide the animals a certain way, to make them all go through the same path etc. Guardian dogs don't need that kind of training, they're are needed to be taught how to respect the birds and protect their territory. Both those roles are way easier to teach a dog because certain breeds have "protect the land" code basically written in their DNA

@@Nateishungry Holding all life precious doesn't mean I need to "grow up." It just means, Snarky wildnategamer, that I don't like to see any lives taken.Those might not have even been the guilty predators.... I think it is pretty "grown up" to suggest that I hope another protection method can be found.

@@Nateishungry To whom? That doesn't make sense....if a message had been delivered...then that bobcat wouldn't have come on the property.

To kill the fox for us?

That’s your choice. I wouldn’t tell anyone how to take care of their animals.

An Anatolian Shepherd? A giant breed that has both the strength and temper to go toe to toe with lions. Around little children? Well ain't that a recepy for disaster? All that needs to happen, is for the dog in his "teenage years" (physically nearly fully grown, but mentally still a pup around the age of 1-2 years) to play to rough with one of the toddlers. Jake and Becky are going to have the authorities breathe down their necks faster then they can say coyote.

@@highlyopinionated5611 yes, a dog that when trained appropriately is a fearsome livestock guardian but can also be a perfectly amicable family companion. It's about the dog having appropriate temperament and people being conscious of the dog. I know many farms who have livestock guardians and small children.

Totally agree

And his attitude in these comments. Disgusting.

Its either preditors or them. That’s life

What would you have done if you caught a bobcat? Think about it. It wasn't our plan, we were trying to catch the coyote.

@@whitehouseonthehill I would throw a heavy blanket over him, like the ones Harbor Freight sells and get the leg trap off his foot hopefully. Then put a cage over him in an attempt to be able to transport him. I use live traps, I have 400 laying hens in a very rural area, we have a local Bobcat, it is huge, thankfully he or she has never attacked our chickens. Don't miss understand, I understand what and why did what you did, I just prefer to try a different rout. I have transported more racoons and possums than I can remember. Owls were a problem until I got a couple big mean roosters, the owl has never been back. The Primer Electric fence has kept Fox, Coyote, and Bobcat out, even the coon and possum have learned the fence is nothing they want to try to cross. There was a learning curve of a good six months, but now even my live traps remain empty. I am guessing spring time will bring babies needing to be fed and the problem might return, so the live traps are set and baited. And I too would shoot a coyote, but Bobcats are very rare around my parts, Middle of Michigan's lower peninsula, and I just wouldn't feel right killing one.

@@whitehouseonthehill could you not have used a humane trap? You could have released the cat if it was not the intended animal.

It has helped. We haven't seen another predator in a couple weeks. We were getting them every night for awhile.

Livestock guardian dogs kill predators, you’re aware of that, right? Also, predator control is a real thing. Yes, there will be more. But we can keep the numbers down on our property.

There is no fault in predators taking our birds? So we should just raise our animals for predators to eat?

@@whitehouseonthehill That's not what I said. As owners of animals, it is our duty to protect them, and there are many ways that can be done. I just don't feel that setting out a baited leg-hold trap that results in shooting the animal is the best way to go about it. You can continue to follow that route, collect a considerable pile of dead predators, but there will still always be more around to fill in the void. Everybody loves chickens. Assorted birds of prey, bobcats, foxes, coyotes, opossums, raccoons, weasels, minks, dogs...you can't kill them all off to make it safe for your chickens to be able to roam free. But you can build them a secure run, with hardware cloth and lumber. If you feel that that's being mean to your birds, then you have to suck up the losses to other animals doing what they are born to do - seek out easy prey. And if you find that going out each night to count heads is too much work for you - not your child - then maybe you should rethink the number of birds you have. Believe it or not, I"m really not trying to be an a**hole here. I"ve lost birds to predators and it sucks every single time. But I try to learn from each instance where the gaps are and then fix them. Setting out bait for a trap, regardless of your plans once a predator finds that bait, is just going to attract more predators - it will never end. Keeping your birds securely out of a predators reach will eventually lead to the predator moving on to find food elsewhere.

Fences and facilities take time and lots of money. I can only work on a few projects at a time. With the predator pressure we were under, we had to act quickly. It took us a year to put up our front fence that went over a quarter mile. Yes, this is not our permanent solution to the problem.

​@@whitehouseonthehill it's what predators do. Hunt to survive.

Obviously. But not on our farm. If we don’t fight back, they’ll kill every last one of our animals.

Yeah they should totally get a donkey because donkey are (to my knowledge) incredibly good at that kind of protecting

Yeah until it picks on and severely injuries Joey because they don't know the difference between a good and a bad dog.

​@Barge the Rooster yes. I heard donkeys aren't fond of dogs. I love my pups too.

Absolutely right. It is their fault, they have invested too little time and money in the protection of their animals. Such ignorant amateurs.

Well they came on our farm. So how long do we wait before we catch them killing that we get to protect our farm from them? It doesn't work that way. If they come on our farm, they don't get a warning.

😂😂😂😂

Tranquilizer darts??? 😅😅😅

Someday… we’re working on the fencing, it will take years and CCTV will take a lot of time to run through the ground all over.

Livestock guardian dogs kill as well. But yes, we are doing what we have to do to relive the predator pressure we’ve been having.

That's what I said too. I hope they take this good advice and aren't offended instead...

Now we’ve got to buy and pour urine around our property now?

@@whitehouseonthehill 😂😂 save the predators!!! (Sarcasm)

@@whitehouseonthehill really? Get a good livestock guardian dog and a predator proof fence, A Great pyrenees would guard your animals and scare away predators, Especially Coyotes and foxes, And Bobcats are especially scared of dogs, We have a Great Pyrenees and we don’t have to worry about predators anymore.

​@@whitehouseonthehill It's just another level of protection that would help keep predators off your property, and its something you could look into in the future. We used it to scare off smaller animals like raccoons and opossums down here in Florida so I know it does work and the smell wasn't that strong to us. I know everyone is suggesting a livestock guardian dog and that's a long term solution for the future that you could think about as well. I know predators are a really big issue and it's frustrating that everyone reacts so strongly to when you need to take care of them for your animals safety, so I don't want to make it seem like it's the only option or even the best but it could be helpful even just to the addition to traps if you feel it's necessary. You should of course do whatever you feel is necessary to protect your animals!

Useless...urine won't even effectively keep squirrels and rabbits off tulip shoots.

Regular fencing would not keep them out of that’s what you were thinking

How do you know that’s not what they are already trying to do? Of course they want to finish their Avery as soon as a possible. But big projects are reliant on being able to get all the supplies you need as well as other factors. Maybe don’t judge too much from the outside looking in. Most farmers try the best they can do in the circumstances they are in, but it comes down to it, their flock and family comes first. As soon as they can finish the Avery things will be better.

There not. Yote killed 20 of my ducks w 2 donkeys in with them

@@SarahsPets2004 🙀

Calm down little snowflake😂

They were thoughtless in killing our animals, why she they be able to continue killing? It definitely wasn’t “lazy” nor was it fun. We had to take action quickly to stop the predator pressure and it has kept predators off our property since then.

Yeah they are fucking corrupt in America

they do assist when they have the capacity to do so, sadly, they have very little funding when dealing with these wild cats. so they have to turn down trapped or injured animals almost daily to help the ones they already have.

That’s why we put it far enough away so they wouldn’t wander into it. Coyotes were hunting our cats a few weeks ago… why shouldn’t we be able to protect them?

They took our animals, was that fair?

So have big dogs to kill them instead of us?

No, the dogs usually run them off.

@@shelleyennis4489 Usually? That's good enough for you that they would kill the predators some of the time? I understand the purpose of a guardian dog, but everyone is naive to think that they won't kill the predators just as we had to do.

Yes, I understand math. No, you don't understand predator problems and how livestock guardian dogs work apparently. Now you're saying that I need to give the predators a sporting chance and give them a head's start before dealing with them? The bottom line, we stopped the predator issue, if a dog does the same thing, great. We needed to stop the predator pressure and we did, that was the goal. It's not fun or pretty. But we are going to protect our animals with what we have.

Livestock guardian dogs are lethal. Have you done research?

@@whitehouseonthehill I actually have 4 years of experience with Livestock Guardians. I own 2 Anatolian Shepherds. Due to the nature of my fencing and my guardian dogs we haven’t seen a predator on any of our pasture cameras. And we still haven’t lost a single head of livestock due to the dogs or predators. I’ve also never found evidence of my dogs killing or even having to fight with predators. barking is almost always enough. This is our experience. Yes livestock guardians can kill, and yes they aren’t for every farm. but when managed properly they can work wonders for a property. I hope you all find a solution that best fits your needs!

I know a bird did this it was Ann Eagle

yep

Not according to all of the other comments that say removing predators will only make them multiply faster. So which is it? Unlimited or eliminated predators? I can’t keep up.

@@Nateishungry bruh

@@Nateishungry u can't even afford bobcat fur 😂kid

@@Nateishungry these people don't understand anything when it comes to controlling predators

@@Nateishungry ur both literally childs who are sick in the head (edit: you post fortnite videos 😂😂)

@@bargetherooster3079 there was no evidence to suggest the bobcat was an issue. He was in the edge of the property. Same with the fox.