WE FIXED SUZUKI'S PERFORMANCE ISSUES!!! (LET THEM KNOW!) 

Hi Team Marine, US NAVY veteran here, fan of your videos, you have me convinced to repower with Suzuki, wish I was closer to have you do the install. I wish there were more people like you that are as enthusiastic and dedicated to supporting our veterans. People who have not served can't comprehend how much it means to us. Thank you for all you do for Vets and the marine industry as well.

G’day Team marine, Australian Army veteran and I love how patriotic you guys are, I wish it happen here more. Well done

Team Marine, awesome as always! So lucky to have you as a local resource. Most honest and knowledgeable shop within the entire upper Mississippi River valley. The absolute best mechanics that have always gone the extra mile for my federal agencies work boats under my care and my entire extended family’s personal boats including my own old Suzuki. Andy is an amazing human being; he’s just good people. Thanks so much for being you. US Navy veteran myself. Amazing idea with the boat build and give a way. Would love to help and support any way possible. I’m a member of a local VFW Post Office 11542 and I’m sure there are other members willing to support your effort and help out as well. Don’t hesitate to message me. I’ll try to stop in soon. Keep up the good work!!!

WIsconsin (Marshfield area) Born and Raised and currently serving (22 years and counting) in the Marines. I have been into boats and boat building for most of my adult life. I have owned several boats and I have done all of my own maintenance and repair on my boats including a recent repower to a Suzuki 225. I have learned so much from your channel and even when I am not learning something from you guys I am very entertained at the very least. Keep up the great work and I appreciate the support to my brothers and sisters!

US Navy Vet Class of 2001-2007. Thanks for recognizing vets and keep up the awesome channel. 😉

Retired United States Marine. Thanks for all your military support. MOS was 6591 Ordnance Chief. Weapon Systems for Aviation. Wish we had this kind of support in California.

Retired USAF Air Traffic Controller here I dont subscribe to anyones post but after seeing your video I just had to. Your passion for the boating community is awesome Finally found another with making things right and with quality in mind! TY I have an inline 4 200 Suzuki on my Skiff Ultra Elite here in NC Totally agree with you with growing up with and working on boats and motors. Great motor but the 200 needs some more balls. I think a 225 would be better for my application Not wild about the mileage w a 250 I only have a 76 gallon tank and want that extra 50 miles to the tank 30-40 miles offshore trolling Still tweaking my boat ref props, weight etc Keep the passion brother!

I’m confused, for someone that talks about liking performance and then hates on the Evinrude G2 I find strange. The G2 eats like no other outboard. Speed and hole shot like no other bottom line!

Appreciate the support of veterans. Army Senior Armor Sergeant for 29 years. 1 July is a year I’ve been retired. Jim Wells and his brother Earl Wells have been working on my 2008 Champion since I bought it. Living in the same town that Ballistics are built I get to see some great boats come out of Jim’s shop. Keep up the videos Team Marine.

30+yrs USA Retired...love the content...you made a believer out me...Thanks for supporting Veterans...I know i appreciate it.👊👍

I’m an Army veteran and I say “hell yeah”! I’ve got a ton of experience in fundraising and I’d be all in to help with whatever you need!!!

United States Marine Corp Gulf war veteran. 0351 anti tank assault man. Awesome channel. Watch every week. What a great idea. Would drive from Michigan to watch. Keep up the great work.

Hello Team Marine. US Army retired. I think you have a great idea with the river run. Really enjoy the videos for just telling it like it is without all the bull shit and fluff.

Thank you Team marine for all your love to Veterans! I’m an Air Force veteran in Northern Wisconsin and I’d love to win a ballistics boat!!!

Both my wife and I are retired Navy, 48 years combined. River run sounds like a great idea, keep everybody updated. I'll throw in a donation.

I LOVE the idea !!!! I am a 100% disabled Marine Corps veteran that served in the first Gulf War. My MOS was 1833, amphibious assault. I was part of the mine breaching team for Task Force Ripper. I live in Iowa and I would be at the river with old glory 🇺🇸 flying high !! I love your videos and I WILL drive up to visit you guys. I only live 98 miles away from La Crosse.

US ARMY big fan of the videos and seriously considering a suzuki for a repower. Im close enough if this were to take place im gonna be there.

You're getting to be known as the Suzuki guru! I guess that's a good thing, as long as you get paid for it. WTG Andy!

I admittedly left my other comment without watching the entire video and have more thoughts. I dunno why I'm doing this randomly, but it's a rainy Friday afternoon and I don't feel like coding for work. This is perhaps the most critical I've seen you of Suzuki, and I appreciate the honesty. They are not interfacing with dealers, "boots on the ground" so to speak, to provide any guidance on setup, product improvements etc. Thus customers are at the mercy of how good the dealer is in terms of how well their boat performs. You seem like a good, maybe even great dealer, that goes the extra mile for the customer and makes sure they are happy. Not at all dealers are like this. And that's because, with other brands, they don't have to be. I'm not sure I entirely agree with your sentiment about setup. Yes, performance boats need setup. But we are speaking of setup time as it pertains to squeezing performance at the margins. Like that last 5 mph of speed. Unless you are in a widely unique or extreme situation, if you gotta mess with props and weight distribution and whatever just to get on plane, then that's not a customer setup issue. That is a platform issue. Mercury and Yamaha don't need to provide some blueprint or get detailed information from dealers all the time just to get their motors working because THEY DON'T NEED TO. To use Mercury for example, they provide an appropriate platform, where all the dealer needs to do is say "slap on a 23 Fury on that 200hp" and that's all the customer needs to "get on plane". Squeezing top end? Sure let's mess with props, cupping, weight etc. At the end of the day, we can sugarcoat around the issue by mentioning performance, dealer behavior, customer behavior, whatever. But that covering up the actual issue. In that Suzuki does not provide a performance platform for bass boats. Their motors are not suited for bass boats. Maybe the 250, it's a V6 at least with more normal gearing. But the 200SS is not it man. They thought they can slap on a different look, different paint job, and call it a performance motor. It's not, it's disingenuous to the customer. It sounds like you agree. We definitely we need a 200SS that fucking eats, and until then, it should not be sold. All the work you've done, the research, the time and effort, to make things perform for customers is to be commended. My point, and I think you'd agree, is that you shouldn't have to do that. That's on Suzuki. Finally, that 200 Stealth is looking like the same shit. 2.5:1 gear ratio, inline 4, TERRIBLE for bass boats. Seems like they're not listening or they don't care about bass boats. If so that's a shame, they're shooting themselves in the foot. That piston size argument is dubious because its displacement is 175 CID compared to 279 of a Mercury 200. Whatever I'm not a mechanic. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER SUZUKI. IF YOU OFFER A 200 THAT "EATS" I'LL BUY IT.

Team Marine, love the videos and keep up the great work and putting out the content. Army veteran of the 82nd Airborne! Would love to see the Mississippi veteran trek come to life!

United states Marine here, motor T mechanic. Love your videos and you guys are the best! Work as a mechanic now, would love to work on boats but pretty high up in the ag industry so dont want to start over.

I don’t even have a bass boat, I have a twin engine center console offshore boat but I still enjoy your channel

US Navy veteran here. This sounds awesome!! Need it in Florida on the St Johns 😎

I love the idea too! Good luck getting motor companies to go along with it. Keep the pressure on them to improve there products for all of us, the consumers.

Well said! I see many comments on the forums and people think things are one size fits all. Motors, Electronics etc.. Your experience is worth the money. I am an HVACR tech and I don't mind maybe asking a question here and there, but some people expect me to stop everything and fix their equipment right now and free on for very little. I think your idea of charging a fee is perfectly acceptable.

Old Navy Vet. Really enjoy your videos. Very informative. Thanks for looking out for VETS. GREAT IDEA.

I know right around zero about boats, but love your videos. I am definitely going to put a Suzuki on my little fishing boat and won't use anything else. I hope they join your cause, we need to support our veterans as much as possible. 🇺🇸

Andy and team, love the content. I have gone back and watched all of your over/under and your best and worst. I am looking for a new boat for my next year fishing season so, dibs on the bestest most awesome boat......US Army Military Police of 20 years loved it!

You nailed it Andy. Too many people don’t know how to drive a boat. The boat dealer boasts all these buzz words about the hull and getting on plane etc and doesn’t explain how a boat actually works. That being said you still don’t buy a Suzuki for factory performance

I enjoy all your videos you have the knowledge that nobody else has. Thanks for sharing 👍 Its amazing you talking about the Suzuki for i had just had a 200 put on my Ranger 361V. I'm having a hard time getting it right. Thanks man. Have a Blessed Day 🙏

Great idea Andy! Best of luck on your quest! It's a noble one.

I have a 2023 200hp on a 296 Charger and it runs just as fast as the 200 merc EFI that it replaced. The boat has never been fast but able to hit 60 with either engine. The scorpion prop was the best prop I could find for both speed and hole shot. The bravo FS was good too but not as good for top end by about 2-3mph

This is a total badass idea. God bless you guys. There needs to be more of this stuff. Hit up white river they so much on sponsor shit for Nascar and stuff like that. They should give you a Ranger with a 250 as a chase boat. I've been watching you for over a year. Keep it up guys.

Was in the Marine Corp back in the early 90's. Great videos keep up the great work.

Awesome video. I've been waiting for something like this on the Suzuki. QM2 USN 87-97

USMC VET, love your stuff.

One of the greatest ideas I’ve heard of. Maybe bass boat first year, walleye boat second year etc. I think a deep v/ Great Lakes boat would attract a whole new set of sponsors, maybe a seaark / catfish boat year 3? Lots of potential in that idea

That's a wonderful idea to promote current manufacturers of new products... 🇺🇸 I'm still hoping the old Champion 203 happens one day for vintage bass boats...

Hey guys. US Navy Vet here (86-92). River run sounds pretty ambitious but achievable as long as you have some solid sponsors and a good advertising program. You could probably coordinate with a bunch of the dealers along the Mississippi river and have joint giveaways and promotional events along the way. My two cents (for whatever it's worth) is focus on having the grand finale at the Gulf of Mexico coincide with the Fourth of July of 2026 or whichever year is more feasible for everyone involved. 2025 would still be really pushing it aggressively and wouldn't allow time for really maximizing the fundraising aspect and the marketing exposure for all the sponsors. Like I said, this is just my two cents and it's probably not even worth that. Anyway, thanks for thinking of us vets and, speaking just for myself, I really appreciate it. Hopefully, whenever you guys get some plans going for this project, you could share them with us. Since I live in Arkansas, I'd be interested in going to the Mississippi river just to see you guys cruising by. That'd be pretty awesome. Good luck with this project. 👍🇺🇸

That is a bad ass idea great job guys keep it up

20 year Navy & Army, tired of being a tournament co-angler, had to sell my 18ft personal boat for family emergency money, been dreaming of getting back into tournaments but as a boater..bass fishing is my escape from some baaad memories.

Main boat military/Veteran themed, chase boat Law Enforcement/first responder themed. I think Andy had a few extra Pepsis today 😂 it's great to see him all fired up.

Awesome idea I live in southern Ohio on the river it would be nice if we could get people and dealers around here to do something and maybe meet up where the Ohio river meets the Mississippi River

3 years 11 months and 27 days US NAVY, Disbursing Clerk, 1968 to 72 Viet-Nam vet. I would be proud to be on the levy, the bridge, some where to see this happen. We have a ships reunion every year and to be on the route would be F$%^ing out standing.

That is an amazing idea! I sure hope it happens in the very near future. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE VETS!

Yes, I want a hot rod 225 SS that is 50 lbs lighter too. Love the power and performance of my 2012 ProXS but my Ranger Z519 needs glassy conditions to be fun to drive over 70. Would like enough power to trim down a touch and still eat! Second the rebadging a 250 considering actual performance is about equal to a 2 stroke 225 anyway.

If Suzuki wants to dominate the outboard space in the world, they need you as a consultant. What you are describing is what every company should strive for. Especially since all other manufacturers are sitting on their asses. The US car manufacturers are a great example of building vehicles that do not perform, and no one wants, with garbage parts - just garbage.

That would be an epic thing to do. Would love to take a ride lock to lock. I just bought a 50hp suzuki tiller and im loving it so far. Moves my 1654 grizzley tracker about 37mph at top speed. Thank you for honoring Veterans. Im a USAF AMMO vet, I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.!!!

Team Marine Vids steered me too repowering with a Suzuki 250SS, paired with the Solus Scorpion 27p I'm totally satisfied. Thank You Andy!

As a veteran I say hell yeah brother!!!

Great Idea on the River Run!!! Absolutely awesome! I have a 140 on a 354V and it is "fine". Not a speed daemon but it will do 53-54. Had a Merc 150 2.5, that did 60. 100% right about finding the setup. I have three diff props and a jackplate I had to add spacers to (from Vance mfg, not some BS). I started at 48mph bolted into the same place the Merc was. I was most shocked the Suzuki wanted a bigger P2P also. I have 100% confidence is Suzuki to give us what we want and they will be HAMMERS. I bought a suzuki because of my experience with thier GSXR motorcycle. I raced them in club level road racing and I just flogged 3 diff ones for years. I had a GSXR-1000 I ran for three years and only changed the oil and plugs. Holding it wide open every time I could. Places like Road Atlanta and Daytona. Threw it on the ground about 5 times and still ran like a champ. It was never the absolute fastest bike but it was close and just so indestructible which is huge for us with shallow pockets.

love the idea, you can wrap the boat!! Name it The River of Dreams....great idea,!!

River run for veterans YYEESSSSS!!!

I’d love to see a river run like that! That would be absolutely amazing 💯 an if those companies would step up and partner to do something like that I think it would be a major win for them in the public’s eye getting behind a cause like that!! Keep up the great work boys 👌🏻 Merica #DJT

Sounds Good! Support them Vets!

This is so true, Im selling my boat that has a Suzuki on it and I get at least 20 questions a week about what all I did. Props, jackplate height, etc. so annoying.

Suzuki and Mercury have very different lower gear case ratios . Seems like the Suzuki lower gear case is optimized for heavy slow boats . They need to come out with a 20” engine set up for high speed .

Skeeter should definitely do this..

Thanks for your videos, I may have missed it but was there any valuable information in here about how to set up the 200?

I'm a US Army Vet (12C Engineer). I think it's an awesome idea. I often take vets out on Pool 13 and I know first hand how bass fishing can save someone's life, and can be a temporary release from the chaos and flashbacks. I think you could even get a parade of boats at each pool. Have a bunch of vets on boats at the lock waiting for ya and running down to the next Lock. @tinyboatnation @basstalklive @kistlerrods

95 dt 25 c very reliable . My father served in WWII in the NAVY. I don’t think they were using Suzukis on the ships back then. RIP POP.

Love all the expert knowledge you give day to day! I have a new to me 18:29 96’ 200 should I delete the VRO??? Thank you, keep speeding!

Legend built boats back in day directed for Vets only. I did love my 2009 Alpha 211

A gator trax would be the perfect give away rig for that river run. I think that company would be easy to get on board with it too

Was on vacation in Alaska last month, saw 90% Suzuki outboards, a few Honda, Yamaha, zero Mercs

US Air Force, Jet Engine Mechanic 1980-2000. Great video, love your idea!

I feel Kent at Gator Trax should be all over this!

You guys should do an online setup guide where guys submit their boat info and pay fee for a general setup for their rig. BAM $2-300 a pop

Looking to repower a 175. Would love to go Suzuki...not going with the 4 cyl as you mentioned

Andy, appreciate the vid. I will pay you a consulting fee when I'm ready. It would be worth it!!

DF-150A Nitro Z7. I’ve got 3 props for to cover different situations. Worked 26p Scorpion, (pitched down to 25) By myself, light load - 59-60 mph. Stock 24p Bravo, partner w gear on board, 54-55 mph. 22p Solas Lexor4, heavy loaded with family, pulling ski/tube. 51-52 mph. I get the best speed with the scorpion, however, it has too much bow lift set up. Makes the boat ride rough in chop. Lose a little speed with the bravo, but everything else is much better. Good whole shot, turns great, and then rides a lot smoother . Thought I would share.

What would be cool is if you started off with a basic boat, then at every stop have a vendor set up to install or upgrade something. Stop 1.....power poles installed. Stop 2...FFS/graph install. Stop 3...someone tricks it out with LED's. Would be a 150k boat by the time you were done.

That would be a cool thought. Sweet idea Andy!

Hi Andy, I think they should build a 20” 225hp eater stealth Suzuki. Love your videos man. So Cool, the other thing I would love to see is Suzuki build a 300hp 20”and 25” stealth “Eater” single prop not the duo prop 350 that had the aggressive gear case and custom air Cowl like the 250 stealth. cheers regards Matt

I bought the 200 and what you're saying is what I'm experiencing. Top end, what top end??? Great hole shot, mu=id range, but?? I put it on a 1998 ZX202dc Skeeter - Kevlar hull. I wish I'd gone with the 250 even though my hull is rated at 150 - 200 hp. I can run at 45 - 50 all day but get it back to the 67 - 68 it use to do, not happening! 56 - 57 is the best I can get now. We played with the prop, jack plate, tackle placement, etc. Nothing! It's a great motor, but? About the river run, great idea. Army - 1972 - 1972 Arti gunner, twice wounded vet.

That would be a pretty cool deal. I’d love to be on a ride like that. I’m a Ballistic guy because I have one. But I bet you could get probably skeeter and Yamaha aboard that idea. They do stuff for veterans already.

I agree, please put out a 225. Why not?

I love the guys that get their prop recommendations on Facebook and then wonder why they can’t get the same performance in Colorado at 7,000 feet as the guy who told them to run a 28 pitch prop from Florida because it works great for them.

The Hodges Twins or Dennis Collins & J.D. Pass... 💯

Thank you to all service member!

That would be awesome!

I do not have a company or shop. But I do auto body and custom paint. I would love to help out with custom paint on the trailers if the Veteran boat deal kicked off.

Maybe the boat companies will step up and do one for each branch of service. Wouldn’t that be something?

I was one of those 200SS early adopters, and it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I bought a 2018 Falcon F195 Bass Boat with a 200SS, back when I knew little about motors. Hey, Suzuki advertises this motor as good for bass boats. 200hp like the competitors! Must be true right? Wrong. During hot days I couldn't get on plane, switched to lithiums, that kind of helped. Sometimes my partner would have to lay on the bow. Spent thousands on props. Finally got a hydrofoil as a bandaid. Let's not euphemize the top end either. It wasn't just a little off the top, it was a good 10-12 mph slower than 200hp competitors. Even bought the new 2.00 gearcase. To my mechanic's credit, both he and Suzuki said it doesn't help that much. Did it anyway, and it did not help that much. Finally repowered to a Mercury and I could not be happier. I'm not a Mercury fanboy, I couldn't give two shits about branding. I'll bag on Mercury like the rest of you (and it did have some minor problems). But at least now I can get on plane no matter what the load is, and I'm running fast as shit now. Props to you for making things right to your customers, and to stop selling that particular motor. My dealer was not as honest. And there was nothing wrong with the motor for what it was. Suzuki makes a fine motor, but they absolutely screwed me and other customers with their disingenuous advertising. I dunno, maybe I should've known an inline 4 with a wacky ass gearing and torque curve wouldn't work for a bass boat like a V6/V8. Oh well sue me. And sure, who really cares about top end? It's just a d*** measuring contest. But not being able to get on plane? Come on Suzuki. I wish this video came out two years sooner, but props to you for doing it. Keep up the good work.

I love my Suzuki but I was on my own when it came to setting it up with the right prop because Suzuki has ZERO dealer support in Utah.

I have nothing but good experiences so far with my Suzuki outboard. If Toyota made outboard engines, they would be Suzuki as silly as that sounds.

Awesome. See you in pool 14.

Yep have sent several emails to Suzuki asking about a 225ss.

What a great idea.

Back in the day guys use to port them old 2 strokes and make them sound wicked... they need to do that with these 4 strokes 😂😂

Huge Team Marine fan, wondering why I’ve never seen a inboard video. Is it just because its not atypical for bass boats? BTW- Dialed up your shops website and my anti virus went nuts stating its an infected website. USAF Search & Rescue/ Iraq veteran 2001-2007.

Andy, in your opinion. Why does suzuki put these gear sets in them that they do? A 2.5:1 or 2.29:1 for 200 and 225. And also why are they pushing the bigger pitch props vs what I see as the industry standard or 14" or 14.5" diameter? I come from a mercury 2.5 liter background. Just seems closer to the 1.87 or even a 2:1 would be a more logical choice. Whats the thinking behind this? Im trying to understand the thought process behind the gear sets and bigger diameter props. Thanks for any input! Loving the videos

I wanna go fast. Sign me up for the 225 when that ever happens that on the javalin would be awesome lol😂

Love the videos guys. Listen I just sold a boat and wanted advise. Should I go ahead and buy another used boat or wait and see what the used market does

I’m in! What do you need from me? I’m a DAV. Let me know.

Set up a raffle so that your viewers can get a chance to donate. Sounds like a great idea. maybe 25 dollars a ticket or something like 5 for a $100 just a thought.

You should have a boat convoy, that boat owners that want to donate can run with you in their own boats.

How can I help with this idea? I’m just an average Joe Jimmy from West” by GOD”Virginia and you are on point about OUR veterans!!!

The lack of communication from Suzuki that I have experienced and heard from others, is why I won't consider one anymore

It’s been documented that certain Suzuki engines are low performers. The Suzuki 140 puts out about 127 on the dyno. The 150 Yamaha makes about 165 on the dyno and the merc 150 is lighter and cheaper so Suzuki looses in the 150 segment. The 175 Suzuki is exactly the same as the 150 except for the vvt which only gives marginal gains over the 150 except the very top rpm. The 200 is no deal either because the merc is a v6 so if you can take the weight there’s no reason to buy a zuk. Idk, it seems the 100-200 Suzuki segment is lackluster and better choices are available. However, in Florida people really like the larger 225-300 Suzuki outboards for offshore boats.