We FORCED Connor to Play a Visual Novel 

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as a book enjoyer i agree

Nah a good book with proper prose could provide me with a much better experience than any fo the Fate art ever could. But there again I hate VN and unironically believe them to be picture books for lazy/unimaginative man-children.

@@Luissv72 I mean, I could point to the Ace Attorney games as well. So much of why those games work, despite the ridiculousness of the situations the characters find themselves in is because of just how well the game incorporates the use of music, sprites and sound effects to convey the emotional reactions of the characters and to provoke them in the player as well.

​@@Luissv72It is true that books and novels are definitely something you read and imagine or try to imagine the story itself. But please don't just disrespect Visual Novel and think of it as something that people who can't create a book or enjoy a book would create or read. God, that's not true at all, even Novels do have illustrations that you can rely on to imagine the characters (no matter if the character appearances are important to your imagination or not, it is great for Novel readers), and certainly that's helping the readers enjoy the story itself Visual Novel are literally games, they're interactive, and a proper and compelling story has every single visual in there helps you understand the story not through the narrative or the story told by the author themselves in books. And everything that makes a Visual Novel contributes to an experience completely out of the expectations from reading a book That's why I think there are people who are willing to create Visual Novels despite the fact that it takes a lot of work to make their story into a Visual Novel. If you have experiences with books then I guess book is more of a choice since you're used to it, there are still people like me who had a lot of amazing experiences from both books and Visual Novels. Regardless I wouldn't have made a stand here if I thought VNs were made to be thought as picture books that are for people who couldn't read a book because they're lazy/can't imagine well. Those great stories delivered as VNs that touched ton of people, surely mean more to them than just that. A Visual Novel is a story told with visuals, with voice acting, with music, with characters drawn and with genuine emotions poured into everything, so they can be a fictional story that mattered to the people who create, who love and treasure them. I hope you know that

​@@Luissv72I think the difference between visual novel and novel in the end is: playing a game and reading a novel. In visual novel, you kind of given choices and special mechanic that might has multiple ending. Meanwhile with novel you don't have interaction or make a choice and just enjoy the story.

No?

Not me, I still want a route where he can be happy whith Saya

@@machinronii I mean he can, but the price for it is the world becoming flesh hell... and not caring what he did to his friends (the female especially).

Not unlike Death Note in that regard lul. But yeah, true at least when it comes to Fuminori. Saya was always someone I felt sorry for.

Meh. While I won't say I wanted him to win, I won't say I wanted him and Saya to win either and that's purely because it's difficult to judge whether his and/or Saya's actions are "good or evil"(or even morally grey for that matter) given how they operate on completely different set of values caused by his aliens senses. It's literally physically and emotionally impossible for him to interact with anyone of his friends and while certainly the way he deals with this through dehumanizing them despite knowing the reason why they look they way they are to him isn't the best can't really fault him as any other normal option (seeking help) would have others not believe him, view him as crazy, or have him end up as a guinea pig. Even then, him choosing to keep his agnosia ends really badly for him in one ending and in another one it ends really REALLY badly for- well... Iykyk.

I mean, I think it's more of a writing issue rather than a Visual Novels issue. Filler exists in every form of media. Worthless filler content is gonna make most people bored and if most of a story is filler then it's a boring story, so saying we want less filler is pretty valid imo

I had the same reaction. I thought the game was mid though overall.

I mean there's not many options for Connor that doesn't even like reading that much, even if it falls off it still better than him dropping something in the first hour or so without any interesting opinions.

In my case I found unsatisfying the there wasnt a "happy"ending for the MC

It's Connor choice though the boys doesn't want him to be bored and well... this is nothing but boring at the beginning

the thing is he only has 1 hour. You know most of the VN only setting up the world and the relationship in the first 2-3 hours before landing the actual plot

The last thing you could expect from Connor is reading texts

I guess from his perspective he's surrounded by disgusting monsters that he's afraid will lock him up in a padded cell if they find out what's actually wrong with him and the only solace he gets is being inside his nightmare house with his eldritch gf.

yeah from what connor described, the mc actually seemed like he was definitely not a good person.

And Kamen Rider Gaim, another really high bar to cross for Toku

Not Re Zero, Fate/Zero.

All goats

Can't deny that he broke the mahou shoujo genre tho, now it's filled with edgy gore porn XD​@@K3Vz0

We don’t see his work make waves anymore because he’s been writing the same, like, two stories over and over and over again. Dude’s an edge lord who does t believe in happy endings and that shit gets old

I’m starting to think that GaNTR’s first exposure to Fate is through Zero… …which was written by Urobuchi.

Asking somebody to sit through ML Extra is a hard sell.

Fr, fr. That they should all be short is such a bad take, too...

No they just have a life.

I wish i could but im too poor to buy a pc :(

Umineko was an otherworldly experience. I'd pay good money to see Connor trudge through the Question arc at least.

Golden Fantasia (the Umineko Tag Fighter) exists for a reason. If the characters or setting vibe with you it gives you an incentive to read the source material.

I just don't like the visual novel format. Not my preference, but I'm sure there is one out there that could get me into it. I'd just prefer the story telling in an jRPG format or like Persona. I'm interested in Kara no Shoujo though.

Don’t tell people what to enjoy

They needed "the content"

Tbh I think Saya no Uta is a good game to get someone not into visual novels hooked; it's short, shocking, and intriguing. Take into account how these guys think the beginning of ddlc is slow and annoying; he would not like most visual novels.

im guessing its good as a first because its digestible and easy to understand for the amount of time one plays it, which is relatively short compared to many intimidatingly long vns for a vn newbie.

Oh man… Umineko, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time

Just make him feel bored by normal VNs so now he can only read the most grotesque and over the top shit out there.

oh hell naw 😂 would love to see them react to it tho (let's suggest it to them as the next vn)

I have those literal same thoughts but with books instead of visuals novels. Gamers can't get into vns unless gameplay, vn readers/gamers can't get into books because multiple routes they need or find it hard to read something without voice acting, music, or visuals. To each their own but hey, everyone has a different level of patience and tolerance so that in of itself is respectable if at least not agreeable.

Yeah, too little long vns comes out nowadays, it sucks :v I'm okay with short, but much prefer the behemoth sized ones, and bruh... And it's so fun when they're choke full of dead ends and alternative routes! Really shows how serious the situation is(for the deadly ones), usually.

Coffee Talk as well

Haha, good joke

@@ginro6796 joke?

@@kev95 I love Clannad, but you seriously think that one of them will read 50+ hours of school romance? Even 1 route at least. I just see Connor sitting there enjoying.

@@ginro6796 Sure why not? it's a great VN and you get your moneys worth out of playing it.

Nice!

Probably because other than the actual content of Saya itself it’s one of the easiest visual novels to get into. It’s short, art is fine, interesting premise, and thrusts people right into the action. I definitely feel like if Connor had to read something with a slow start his eyes would glaze over.

What's wrong with Saya no Uta and why would you think asking somebody to read a 50-80 hour VN would be a good starting point to get into the genre?

@@mp4blue And VNs are simply not for everyone, some people already complain about Steins;Gate being too slow so imagine them reading the VN for it, and considering their reactions and opinions about this one, it is very clear they wouldn't be able to take several hours of 'fluff' dialogue that are in most VNs.

Coz it's short. He can finish it in one sitting if he wants.

Because they each had like just 1-2 hours for anything picked in this format? Do you think 1-2 hours into Majikoi or Grisaia would translate to anything worth having a discussion about?

What the actual fuck does this have to do with racism

I agree 100%. Good rant 👍

Kara no Shoujo

You’re missing The House in Fata Morgana

See dude, you shouldn't project your behavior unto others. There's a lot of people who have picked many books and many vns and read em' all over watching anime, or even reading a good manga. There'll be a lot of people who do just what you said too and would also do what you said in an extended vacation, but point is, dont put all peeps in the same basket. o3o Like, people are different and all that.