As a fellow TAG caver I appreciate the videos. As a dive master working on his cave diving certification, holy crap y’all need the proper training (if you have any). Not hating, just want y’all to be safe.
I feel like they are always somewhat dismissive of safety suggestions and it bugs me. Love seeing what they do but you gotta at least preach some safety or dont try this at home before you go being unsafe. Love the fellas and what they do, but id really like to see them get more gear when they can. O2 meter, etc
That's what I thought and as an open water certified diver, you need the special underwater cave diving certification just even to go into an underwater cave or a cavern opening. Even going in a foot of the opening or more when it cast a shadow and requires a flashlight to see must be cave underwater certified. Check out the over cave underwater dive videos and they echo that sentiment. Be safe don't take unnecessary risks.
@@paladinkhan Im onboard with you in that I really am appriciative of what they do and I enjoy the videos tremendously. Ive watched all of them. I think Edward is a smart guy and he has the whole package. By that I mean he is driven and ompelled to explore and produce videos. He also knows that to be good at this he needs to be in, and stay in, top physical condition. Not only to haul himself up from deep pits and multiple drops but staying in shape makes everything easier and it gives you energy for long days. He also has what seems ike a a natural talent for capturing video that is better than most and he has the right mix of adding enough narrative to it so that the viewer isnt lost and wondering what is going on. There is probably a lot that is done in editing to make a decent product but I have no knowledge of it. He also seems to have the gift of gab, he can communicate well with others and is never arrogant and pomp-ass about being the leader, which he is, but he knows how to lead in a way that doesn't ruffle feathers or make the crew feel slighted. Actually there has been times I thought he should be a little more firm and lay down the law. I can't forget that we don't see everything and we only get a small window. I'm more optimistic than I may have let on in my cave diving training comment to him. I'm of the opinion that he's smart and I know he reads comments and I think he'll take that criticism and not get butt hurt, he knows what's dangerous and where he has deficiencies in training. I'm optimistic that he did some minimal diving, maybe with the light of the exit always in sight and did not intend to begin cave diving in earnest just dabbed in it. He expected some push back and got some and he's solid as always and not going off the rails on us. Nobody wants to die. Underwater caves don't seem to be his thing and we probably won't see much more of that. If he does move toward cave diving he'll get the training. I just felt like I couldn't watch that and not state that it wasn't his smartest move. Some commenters really trip out on him for taking chances and see him as on a sure path to a short career and bitch and complain. I think he's got this but he gets me a little anxious when he finds unknown ropes deep in a cave and climbs them not knowing their origin, age, or how they are fixed up top. He's no fool tho and he's making assessments and cautionary first few feet of climbs ready if something gives.He got a lil bit of shit for the cave diving but he deserved it. I hope James is alright and that he returns.
@@donnymcballer4659 maybe not.. BUTTT... it is cheap insurance in that it helps INSURE you get back home to the people you love and the people whom love and COUNT ON YOU. At some point you got to come with terms the reality that there is no "U" in "family" and there is no "ME" in "community".
10:01 No fins which is just stupid, but that thumbs up doesn't mean "I'm good". While diving a thumbs-up means return to the surface. The "ok" sign 👌🏼 means you're good. You can always tell when someone has no idea what they're doing.
Everyone who dives outside their experience and training eventually dies. With caves and other overhead and enclosed environments, even pros with thousands of dives die. Use the money from this channel to get trained and don't mess around with this. Your instructor, if you ever had one, failed to get this message through to you.
They don't even have to make a mistake. They could do EVERYTHING right, but then just one accident that was beyond their control would be all it takes to discontinue them.
@@sudonymhThere's a minimum level of preparedness for any situation which may get dangerous to you or to those around you. Like keeping your car tyres pumped up, having some decent tread on them, enough fuel etc before going on a long journey. Of course, not acting like an idiot, knowing your limits and thinking of any likely "what if" situations should be a given. Too many forget what the consequences may be until it's too late, then other people are affected, directly and indirectly. With cave diving, if things go wrong, it tends to be really serious... rescue teams usually end up recovering corpses.
@@another3997 It doesn't matter if you implement a maximum level of preparedness. Accidents will happen. It's inevitable, and when one does, it's usually game over. I'm not telling you or anyone not to dive. Life shouldn't be lived in a bubble, but as for me, I'm not gonna do it.
Dude no guide line, regular air, 1 tank, 1 light, what can possibly go wrong?🙆🏽♂️ please don’t go cave diving without proper gear, there is no room for error when cave diving
I've been a long time fan and I'm also a twin. But lately I am worried sick about your survival. I kept thinking about your Mom getting the call that her son is at the bottom of a 280' drop. At 6:21 someone grabbed the tie down hook on that truck. Pulling on that ring could shift the truck and trap you under. AT 1:28 you questioned the buoyancy cord and then shrugged it off saying Oh well it'll be alright. Is that safe? I am worried about your safety protocols. I was practically in shock in your last adventure with the Mud Caves. I thought one of you was going to break that ledge and then your gone, you die. I have seen you take educated risks and I get it. But this scuba diving and the Mud Cave are plain negligent. Is someone new in your group and influencing your processes? Are you guys getting high before you go out? Please consider your safety protocols. If you are depressed and taking high risks, reach out and talk to somebody. Please. I like you guys and want to see you keep doing what you love. Thank you!
Yeah these guys remind me of those other adrenaline junkies who end up dying in their flying wingsuits as they slam into the canyon walls at 200 mph or the base jumpers who don't or can't open their parachutes in time! These youngsters take very high risks in their videos and are addicted to these activities which likely WILL get them eventually. Perhaps one death will wake up the survivors.... then again they might just stay " lucky." There is another Y Tuber I've seen who explores the southwest desert, climbing and hiking around solo on very sketchy and very REMOTE terrain while jumping from one place to another with impending death OR broken limbs awaiting a slip up. One screw up with his very limited water supply and he's TOAST.... literally.
@@j.c.isking2165 I know which guy is the desert guy you mentioned who travels alone. His risks are relatively reasonable but it is true that one flash flood, one broken leg, lights out. But the desert guy has communications with him. I believe in the buddy system when dealing with nature. The wild is unforgiving and has no feelings.
In general, I love these kinds of reservoirs, either from karst sinkholes or from old workings. The water there is very clean and clear, the same turquoise color, and the constantly springing springs from underground and the terrain itself, which prevents this place from becoming a terrible swamp, give this place special significance. Diving in such places is a pleasure. There are such places in Russia too, and there are a bunch of them, and there is a huge lake in Russia, in the Urals, quite deep, in which underground caves can lead to a neighboring lake a couple of hundred meters from the first one. I also personally knew the story of an open lake, where there is a system of underwater caves with underwater passages, from a shallow depth and even to the center of the lake, you will not feel the current underwater, but as soon as you dive deeper and closer to the dark cave at the bottom, you will instantly caught by a strong current. There was a case with a diver who drowned in one lake, and swam a week later in a completely different lake in the forest, which was located 7 km from that place! This fact scares me greatly, but underground communications can stretch for hundreds of kilometers, the only question is where a person’s corpse can float, and in some place it will get stuck and remain buried forever, where it will never be found. There are such places in Russia, and in such lakes drunk people usually drown, and very rarely, but still, they are pulled into the abyss of the dungeons, and they never emerge. Quite a creepy fact.
There's one such lake in the Netherlands too. It looks very small on the surface, but a bunch of divers disappeared over the years. Their body's never found.
This is an old quarry. Often the colour of the water is due to chemicals in the rocks seeping into rain water, and it can be very acidic or alkaline, as well as toxic if ingested. You never know what people have dumped in there, or how safe the old workings are. Quarries and mines are great to explore, but they can also be unpredictable and dangerous if you're complacent or unprepared.
I did a 70' cliff jump about 20 years ago and my back has been messed up ever since. Force of the water hitting the bottom of my foot was enough to compress a disc in my back.
I've done the same but my left nut will never be the same.... No way I'd ever jump off a cliff into the water again! Nothing fun about it. Slapping a nut off a 70 ft cliff isn't worth it.
When I was a kid they taught us in school to keep your toes pointed when jumping from such a height to prevent that from happening. The downside is that if you didnt check the depth first you might increase your chances of hitting the bottom.
It also seems like he doesn't have his breathing down right... hear him breathing in a breath every few seconds as if he is on land. Hope he don't run out of oxygen.
It's not only risky but very dangerous. Things can change very quickly underwater. I've never gone cave diving without a guideline... A buddy of mine had a terrifying experience without one and almost lost his life.
This cave in particular didn't seem that bad, basically one big loop, but I hope the cave diving trend doesn't escalate from here to these guys taking on full underwater caves by themselves without even flippers on
@JustSomeGuyLass They definitely need an experienced cave diver to learn what is the proper way to dive in caves. I learned with a diver and very glad I did.
Reading through the comments under your caving videos is my guilty pleasure, every other guy telling you over and over and over again how it is dangerous and unsafe... like you don't know... but this time with scuba diving it's next level 😂😂😂
Everyone is a professional in their own mind when they are on the internet. Especially when watching someone do something bold, they wouldn't do themselves. I think it's absolutely gnarly what these guys do. They show us amazing things all the time. Before long, we will have worked out drone technology enough to be able to explore all this stuff free from danger.
I know these guys are professional cave explorers, so the risk of them dying in a cave is relatively low, as long as they don't go alone or do anything too crazy for views. Cave diving is on a whole new level though. One small mistake can be deadly, and I doubt these guys are trained divers
its like jumping into the ring as somebody whos never fought before in boxing, if you ever ask to irl you will be at the least humiliated by your dojo. certain things in life require actual percaution, not many people actually die from dry caves but about a person a day dies underwater caving, and theyre usually trained for it. Its a slap in the face to anybody actually into cave diving as it gives a bad reputation.
It's a common recent theme on the channel. Gotta get views, and that means being more and more risky like going in a cave alone without proper gear and exact location shared with someone top side.
@@marsrover001You literally have no knowledge of who they tell where they are going. You're speaking in complete ignorance, the only information you have is what the editor of the video includes for content.
@ActionAdventureTwins I don't underestimate you. I am a fan and watch all your videos. I just have seen a lot of very capable people get killed cave diving that weren't properly trained. Stay safe. Love your content.
Instruction manuals are written in blood. Another one I like a lot is, "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others." We have all these old sayings for a reason. Sadly, I think young people think we're just being boomers.
i enjoyed this video the most out of all your videos. The lake you dove looked tailor made for maximum fun. I've swam in some coal strip mine pits here in MO and the water is so clear and deep with huge catfish. It's a blast! I'm a geezer now but still live vicariously through your videos. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I pray the Lord to bless and keep you.
Please be very very careful with the diving stuff ESPECIALLY CAVE DIVING! Even the most advanced cave diver professionals who've been doing it for decades have met there demise just because of the smallest mistakes, don't want to hear Mr.Ballin telling your tale.
@@jwm6314 Seriously. Tying a rope to something, belaying, etc can be self taught but diving you need to take classes and have to be guided by a teacher + a certification . This dude is playing DIY for some views on RU-vid, it's not worth his life
A fan mentioned the movie Manjummel Boys (2 hrs) in which one of the boys falls into a pit that is gated and forbidden because no one, ever, has come out including rescuers. FF to 1:22. The camera zooms down to a ledge where the boy is wedged, laying flat on his back and his feet dangling over what looks like a 300' open drop to god knows where. That scene chilled me. This movie is on Hulu, made in India, a lot of unnec footage, so FF your way through it with subtitles. I grew up in Montana and we were taught early that the wilderness can kill you. It is unforgiving and has no feelings. From twin to twins, be mindful of risks and err on the side of safety. Your fans aren't raggin on you, they care about you!
I grew up with a quarry near my house that looked very similar. There was a man who stayed "lived" there....in a cave.... from the time he got off work Friday until Monday when he had to go home to shower before work. we callled him caveman bill and he was actually very polite and quite harmless. He had a good job as a welder not far from the quarry and lived right behind the quarry .His wife would not allow him to drink at home so on friday he came to the cave and started drinking...didnt finish til late sunday night when he would walk home and start his "sober" work week. This is not a tall tale and was well known to not only the police but the entire community as a whole. we all knew "suspected" that he was also drinking all week at work because he never drove anywhere. We would see him walking to get beer on occasion and give him rides to the gas station but he always walked home down the railroad tracks with his beer,lol...I guess wifey wasn't playing.
@@goose33 If you had a brain you'd use context and assume if she didn't allow him to drink at home she wouldn't allow him to drink at all hence all the sneaking around. Try again kiddo
You guys have been on some of the most amazing adventures through the years I really appreciate all the time you have takin to share it with us 💪😎 you guys are pretty brave and definitely skilled in order to survive all the environments and adventures you have shared with us . Thank you
I was hoping you’d post a full video of this eventually. Still would sell my soul to photograph this place. So beautiful. Also, I don’t know why you trying to catch the catfish was so amusing, but thanks for a good chuckle. 😂
No no noooooo the endless black abyss of death is to much 😮 .... Y'all truly are incredible!! Ty fir this needed it! Peace and much love to y'all all! Be safe guys 🥰✌️❤️💯🙏
There are many granite quarries in New England and in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s it was the rage to throw cars and trucks into the quarries some of which were 200’ deep. Some were stolen, some were junkers. In one quarry, 27 cars were hauled out.
Looks like many people write comments not even watching a video. Just a bit of info for these guys: there was always air above the water and there was always entrance in the sight. Technically it wasn't a cave diving. But, as always, was interesting to watch.
Going on my first caving trip soon, largely thanks to seeing your videos 😎 any recommendations on a good helmet that can have a light/go pro strapped to it? It’s the last thing on the list of stuff I need to buy.
there's an old quarry near my house that is supposedly full of stolen corvettes in the bottom, or so I've always heard. when I was a kid, some people went diving there when it was frozen, and someone come along and cut their ropes and they died. I know for sure that happened. I don't know why they were there, maybe looking for the vettes. the place is called Dyers quarry. it's located in Pa. Berks county off rt 345 back in the woods there is an access road, but no one is supposed to go there. I've wanted to know for years about the cars and if they're actually down there. sounds like a job for the action adventure twins to me.
@@040Leif I know exactly where it is, I've been there many times. there's a small town called Birdsboro. take rt 345 from Birdsboro about 3 miles there will be a road called Geigertown road on the right. pass that and at the bottom of the incline about a quarter mile past Geigertown road it's on the left back in those woods. there's a creek that runs into the old quarry from the road. the access road is just up the hill on the left. it has a split waterfall that's kinda cool. it's not very big but has a cliff that's 200 maybe 300 feet high on one side.
Using your directions I think I found the access road in street view. There’s a small gate blocking the road and lots of no trespassing signs, but it wouldn’t prevent anyone from getting down the road on foot or bike.
@@scubasteve06 there's nothing to physically stop anyone aside from a gate pole. You can just walk past. People aren't supposed to go there. You really have to be careful back there. There's old machinery and cables. There may still be a crane under the water.
@@scubasteve06 probably not a good idea taking the access road because if you run into a ranger there's no saying, I didn't see the no trespassing sign. the local rangers are pricks, all they do is float around and look for reasons to fine people. anybody willing to risk the fine and danger and dive that quarry, I'd be more than happy to personally help out, but I'm not going in the water. I'll risk the fine to find out what's in the bottom. I'd estimate it to be around 80 feet deep. no idea where the water goes. it flows in but no exit stream.
Such a beautiful lake, I can't believe how clear it was under the water. I knew Edward would want to go in the dark bit. You guys were brave to do that jump, It was loud when you hit the water.
I will tell the story and then I will be done. I support a lot of stuff you do but this one is not one of them sorry. I had a friend that I used to dive with that is no longer around because he decided to go in a cave there was people above the cave swimming around and snorkeling but the current above the water and under the water are two different things and when he was diving he was not cave certified and he got in an area that he could not get out of he found a spot that the water was sucking down so he got sucked into a area that no matter how much he would have swimmed he was not going to beat the current. There was a way out but he did not know it because he didn't know on how to work and get out of underwater caves so he drowned and that fear keeps me out of caves because they are one of the most dangerous things to dive because they're unpredictable and it doesn't matter what's going on on the surface another thing that happened to him is when he got in that area he hit the settlement on the ground and on the ceiling and blocked everything out so he couldn't see his hand in front of his face. If he had a rope connected to him somebody might have be able to pull him out or if he would have had a rope on him he could have Let It Go and followed it out the hole but instead he was in an area that was so dark his flashlight couldn't see. The reason I know is because I seen his video his last video he ever shot. The risk of diving in caves are not worth it if you're not satisfied. And it's not a normal certification you have to go through two other certifications I'm one of them is rescue diving before you can be certified for Cave Diving. And you and your friends have already broke them rules in half. I love your videos but not this one😢
I'd agree with you that if you want to dive a cave get cave certified, but I feel like the lines are at least a little blurred here. They went in a cave, but the cave was never fully under water.. they always had open air above them that led to the outside. They were also diving a quarry, it was not a siphon like you described in your story (does not even seem to be a spring). But I get where you're coming from. I'd be interested in the opinion of a certified cave diver whether this would be considered a cave since they had open air above them. Certainly the vast majority of cave diving deaths comes from open water divers that think they can cave dive, or cave divers not following rules. If you are certified and follow rules, from what I understand, cave diving is pretty safe.
I totally agree. I watch Dive Talk and they constantly hammer home to get instruction and certification especially cave certification. They show so much videos of top divers dying from small mistakes and these are top experience divers. They should watch Woody and Gus and Ed . While I love this channel these guys do incredibly stupid things . One day they will be featured on Dive Talk as what not to do. I pray they keep safe.
You just made that story up 5 mins before you wrote it. Your so full of shit. That never happened. I'm so sick and tired of people being pathological liars on youtube just to get a reaction. Your so pathetic
Do you ever made this video you did a good job diving with friends you always die with a friend never die alone you guys are awesome you did a good job we enjoy your content thanks for taking us along with you so we can enjoy it to you guys are cool as hell
Unfortunately, if you're experienced in doing things incorrectly, you've just become very good at doing things the wrong way. That doesn't make it any safer. These guys seem poorly prepared in this instance, igjorsnce and complacency are often precursors to an avoidable accident.
Did you're insane to dive with 20 bars? I would not go deeper than 15 ft without much air ever, and you said you're going 75. That's insane. I hope you're certified and you be careful. I've been diving for over 20 years, and you would not get me to go deeper than 15 with that much Air.😮
Badass I think I know where a cave may be located in wildwood mo that would have to be dug out with shovel but with all these heavy rains has been a spring leaking water
Most of the comments are on safety. They responded with a comment on that. Sad that we live in a world that pays more for not following safety then does. Glad that you feel safe and have people around that can help. And yes it is good to practice things if something happens when you might not have control over the situation.
Hidi y'all, quarry time, that old copper mine at Long Branch has a nasty whirlpool at the bottom of the falls below the old bridge. Lots of people have drowned there. Those mines breathe under water and above, catch my draft. 🤔🙀✔️
Never been so upset for the comments. You'all seeing too much diving accidents stories here on yt. These guys are not cave diving, they only entered in one room, always close to the entrance. Chillout and respect them.
Dude - how new are you to scuba diving? Are you even certified? No gloves, no booties, no fins, no bouyancy control, no backup light. Couldn't tell if those were caves or caverns but if caves, not good. Dude with orange fins can't even do s flutter kick. I'm guessing the guy with the 40 is certified. Go get trained before you die. 😲
Yeah, I grew up in upstate New York with lots of waterfalls with cool pools of water at the bottom. We jumped off many! Especially me and my fellow high school gymnasts! We had it down. And the fitness to back it up. There was one waterfall that was 47 ft high that was a piece of cake. We jumped it over and over again. There was another one only a half mile from my parents house that was 65 ft. I don't know anyone who jumped off the top of that one without hurting themselves. Your spine is a terrible thing to waste.
Hey bud I just want to say that's pretty cool that you and your buddies want to make sure that someone safe and someone's not in that truck you know give me a little closer if there is somebody in there but hopefully it's not but hey you're pretty cool for checking that truck out first before you guys attend to your own special needs that's pretty cool you guys are awesome keep up the good work have a lot of respect
I blow out my ear drum jumping into a quarry that was a paid quarry that they used for scuba diving. It was in Vernon NJ or McAfee NJ. I don’t remember how high it was but it was so high you couldn’t take your breath when you jumped but just before we hit the water. We went down into the water so deep. It was freezing down that deep and when I stopped sinking and started to swim to the top it looked like a tunnel vision and I could see the surface because of the sun light.
I've jumped from about 110' you have to wear shoes and as soon as you hit the water, you have to open your arms and basically lean back or kick your feet forward to slow down and not go as deep. If you stay in a pike position, you'll drop down as much as 30', which is probably what you did if you busted an ear drum. There was a river cliff with a deep hole and locals made jump spots that were 50' 70' and 110' ish. This was at a National park in Missouri called Boulder slide or Boulder river ...?🤷 It was at least 25 years ago. Top jump was sketch, because you had to get a running start to jump far enough to clear a sandbar. Once from the top was enough for me! Quarry cliff jumping is strange because the water is so clear that you can't tell if you are 20' deep or 50'. 😬
This is such a pristine place, i hope that truck wasnt due to anybody trying to take their life cuz its one of those kinds of places to do so... beautiful and awesome and peaceful there.
I don't know about now but when I was a young teen there was a quarry in Ma. not to far from my home. It was called Quincey Quarry. My friends used to swim and jump off the cliff surrounding the water. I never did I was never a good swimmer. I worked with a volunteer Civil Defense Scuba Diver that went diving there. He told me there was a bunch of cars in there that were said to be stolen. He used to dive there and remove the tires still inflated but flattened from the water pressure.. When they let the tires go they would ascend pretty quick increasing in speed. he said as they did the air in the tires would inflate the tires as the water pressure would lessen. He said the tires would come out of the water like they were shot out of a cannon rising maybe 50 feet above the water level. I never doubted what he said I was never there when he was there to see for myself.
