PlayStation All-Stars Was An Absolute FAILURE... But It's Time To Try Again 

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Exactly! Always been one of the things I loved the most about these games too!

@@GreaserMan I don’t have questions I A

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If this game ever comes back they HAVE to keep the rival battles

Some people hated the maps because of the hazards but you can turn hazards off. People complaining about this game are stupid. It's a good game.

@comicrandomness3289 EXACTLY. The only issue I had was the amount of content you can play in the game, tbh it wasnt a lot. But overall I still think it's an 8/10 game.

I feel like I was one of the few that loved the game to death but didn't like the maps crossing over bc it ruined the soundtrack for that world but also the map it just looked messy I would have rather had a fully dedicated stage for every character

@jonyleche3549 Well just turn off map hazards and your wish is granted🤷‍♂️

Dosen't it still cross over the map anyway. Last time I checked turning off hazards only makes it so u dont get hit by background events

Playstation All Stars also had some of the most unknown characters in the game no one knows who Papa rapper Spike the catand fat princess

Who are the people that go “oh smash” when you say fighting game? Not Mortal Kombat or street fighter? “Most people’s eyes”?

Yeah kujo has a point here. When I think of fighting games, Street Fighter and MK come to mind. Smash is an afterthought. I've never heard anyone say otherwise.

@@greekieshion4501 My mistake on the wording, not to put down all the other fighting series out there. What I’m referring specifically is that Smash(depending on the times) as fighting game, resonates to more of a wider player base in comparison to Street Fighter or even Tekken. Since Smash 5 has concluded and the recent SF6 and T8 are starting to get more of its legitimacy back, its player base has started to recover and gain more popularity to its audiences. What I’m trying to argue here is if Sony tries to go for the Smash route again, there’s already going to be some hefty hurdles is gonna leap. Character recognition, Story Mode, 2 or 4 player focus, Arcade mode, Unlockables, etc. Now they have some templets they can choose from such as Smash, Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Combat, Marvel vs Capcom, just to name a few. But it’s uncertain if Sony has enough of a prestige legacy to make their fighting game on the same level as some of those other fighting game franchises. I’m not saying it can’t work, but how can modern day Sony make it work?

@@demetriusnp49 Ehhh...I mean considering Nick-All Stars and Multiversus both tried to appeal to the Smash market by making their game similar to theirs but failed because of the hurdles you mentioned, it feels more like something that unless met with proper support, won't live past the month it released. And tbh with you I wouldn't really consider Smash a true fighting game, but that's a sidetrack. That and, most of the hardcore appeal, and therefore the competitive side of Smash, is with Melee, a 20+ year old game that's aged like sour milk. Going through a different route can work, but unless Sony really puts in the work and gets the know how to make a fighting game (be it 3D, traditional, or Anime) either from themselves or a company with experience (capcom, bandai namco, arcsys), not to mention be willing to spend money to make sure the product gets updated for a long period of time? Yeah, it'll probably be too much work for Sony.

Either Smash or MultiVersus.

If they changed the dumb supers only kill then I think it could be better

I really like All Stars (I even bought the VITA and PS3 versions separately) and would enjoy a sequel. But I do feel it's unlikely to come out since it doesn't seem as likely to be a smashing success as I feel most Playstation gamers aren't as "interested" in different Sony IPs as much as Nintendo's players are. Or perhaps the better term would be "isolated from the different IPs". Looking at Smash Bros, Smash Bros is a success in part that Nintendo has a higher proportion of 1st party IPs that are beyond household names, but also because Smash Bros appeals to Nintendo users' tastes. Like, a person that plays Mario Sunshine or Mario Kart Double Dash or Zelda would be more likely to be into Smash Bros since Smash Bros carries the same kind of energy, feel and appeal as these other franchises even if the genre is completely different (it helps that people like Miyomoto have had a hand in different Nintendo franchises so that "feel" is present in different games). I mean, if you're someone that bought a GameCube instead of a PS2 or Xbox, you're someone that already likes what Nintendo's doing as much or more than what 3rd parties typically do. The appeal of the PS2 was the massive 3rd party lineup with the exclusives being more of a bonus after all (at least at first. It's hard to argue against a console that launched with GTA3). In contrast, a huge, if not majority, of Playstation users have more attachment to the 3rd party games on PS systems than Sony's own IPs. On the PS2 for example, the best selling games were stuff like GTA, Need for Speed, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Tekken, Madden FIFA etc. Only Gran Turismo is the Sony IP that was the juggernaut on the sales chart. The other best selling Sony IPs on the PS2, God of War and Ratchet, although very successful, are still behind these other franchises. It's a bit different for the PS3 with Uncharted, GOW, TLOU and Gran Turismo dominating the top spots with GTA, COD, Final Fantasy and Dark Souls scattered about. And we saw how despite that, it wasn't enough for All Stars 1 to do amazing. But with the PS4, while in terms of sales, it resembles the PS3 with more of Sony's own IPs in the top spots, we know from player counts that games like COD and most of Ubisoft's open world games actually have higher player counts. Sidenote: but this is why I feel the PS1 Classic had a bit of an uphill battle and it would only get harder for any future PS Classic consoles. Because of the large presence and impact of 3rd parties on Sony platforms, very few players have a consistent experience or lineup of games on something like the PS2. So picking the 20 or so games to represent the platform will be different from player to player compared to the SNES, NES and Genesis but I digress. Back on topic, I feel this means that for the average current PS4/PS5 user, they don't have as much attachment to other Sony IPs which makes it harder for a crossover fighting game to appeal to them. A fan of Horizon doesn't seem to have much interest in playing Killzone despite being made by the same studio. An Uncharted fan doesn't mean you're also a fan of Jak and Daxter despite being made by the same studio. So it would be harder to sell a God of War 2018 fan, fresh off playing their game with gory combat and focus on cinematic storytelling to play a cartoon-y fighting game just because Kratos is in it. Interestingly, there have been a few cases where such "cross polination" of fans have happened in Sony's past in a large and noticeable way. One such example was how many Ratchet fans were also fans of Jak. Who were also fans of Sly (likely because of the similar "feel" of all 3 games as mascot platformers despite their different developers. We also know all 3 were influenced by each other to some degree during development). Even Sony recognized this which is why there were crossover games starring all 3 such as with PS Move Heroes (and also why they often cameoed in each other's games). But that was then. And Jak and Sly didn't sell amazingly well afterwards. The only modern case of this is arguably with Uncharted and TLOU given Naughty Dog has developed them both and the 2 franchises do often trade and share mechanics and ideas between them. Maybe also GOW and Horizon which is debatable. But aside from that, there doesn't appear to be as much cross polination of fans between Sony's current IPs. Which means a crossover fighting game is a harder sell to these players. Interestingly, we saw the opposite happen to Metroid, F Zero and Star Fox. Smash Bros is unquestionably the most exposure and popularity Samus, Captain Falco and Fox have ever had. Yet the success of Smash Bros didn't translate to greater sales for Metroid, F Zero and Star Fox games. Likely because these games didn't appeal as much to people that played Smash Bros.

@@FraserSouris If Sony did a crackdown and got their studios working on more classic IP's I feel it could happen again. That same problem I think also extends to XBox too. Chiefly because aside from 3rd parties they got nothing. Halo's Dead, So is Gears of War, and they don't make an effort to do anything new for platformers with Rare, or revive any old series or make sequels. Sony has games their studios just don't make them, it's one of the reason's why I don't dust off my ps4 much anymore and why I personally skipped the PS5.The only 3rd parties I play anymore are indie games with the occasional Resident Evil or whatever catches my eye but that's it. Killer apps like Ratchet and GOW are coming to PC further justifying the lack of want for the console, and to be honest as much as I liked GOW4 I didn't have the need to play 5 immediately it's like whatever. Even playstation exclusive 3rd parties don't happen anymore because of companies like Konami going tits up. Ape Escape is gone, Nobody Cares about Metal Gear without Kojima at the helm (I hope) plus Metal Gear is multiplat with the exception of Solid 4, Castlevania has gone to gambling mobile games and games as a service with the occasional re-release which doesn't guarantee all the games there's still 11 games unavailable on modern Hardware. Without emulation some of these games have pretty high price tags too. Resident Evil's gone Multiplat so that's out even when they make a good game. Sony needs their first parties that aren't just TLOU, Uncharted, & Gran Tourismo, to have at least some form of lasting power. In the ps4 era Sony marketed the playstation as the "FUN" console while Microsoft tried to go all dull, boring, and "Edgy" (for lack of a better term) which is ironic considering the output of PS4 exclusives games was rather Dismal in presentation. Knack failed as a new IP despite becoming a meme, The Ratchet movie game was fun as usual nothing to write home about though, Bloodborne was awesome and my favorite souls game and the only one I really like (hope it gets a remaster or sequel) GOW4 was different but still good even in the context of the classic games which I all love. Also the Physical release of OKAMI Remastered on Ps4 was AMAZING and definetly sold that fun factor while calling back to where the game first launched (while having the updates and tweaks from the Wii version) Aside from those and the racing games they had mostly third party. The whole point of a console would be the rest of their exclusives and they don't really have them anymore. People would go nuts over a new Sly or Jak and Daxter game just by looking at how much people talk about it. It definetly won't be new Triple A resurgence especially in sales, but companies should be smart enough to know they don't need to make multi-billion dollars from a single product alone but we're past that point it seems so it's up in the air. I don't think the problem is sales it's just greed, typical triple A bullcrap, and general laziness (imo) Ian on the CU-podcast put it best at saying the only console you need now is a nintendo for fun quality games (as well as mobile gaming too ) and a PC for everything else. I love my retro consoles but playstation and xbox now don't got shit

Nintentards and game jornos gave bad press claiming that Nintendo invented that formula. They did not.

@@daisukegori2112 No but no can say they aren't the gold standard. Just look at all the games that were like it that died recently. Brawlhalla is still around but the nick and WB one died.

ehhhh idk I would prefer it to be a platform fighter over a traditional ANY day of the year

I think the biggest reason for that over hate is the gameplay loop left people a bit cold. I enjoyed the interactive stages, the rival system, when it was done well, was a neat idea, and the roster was actually fairly good for how small it was, each character felt unique and fun to play as, with the obvious exception of the two Coles. But the actual gameplay loop felt.. strange... why have stage hazards like pitfalls when the only way to remove a stock is to use a characters super move? Why not just make a standard fighting game instead of a platform brawler if that's the route you want to go? It felt like a game at odds with itself.

You couldn't have explained in better words everything I though about the game ever since I got my hands on it not too long after it was released! I think it was within the first year. And how disheartening it was to see all of that going down as it did and looking back. 💔

Its also even sadder when u see that they litterally had more DLC Characters in Development before canceling them. They wanted to include some Good Characters (especially Shadow The Hedgehog and ICO)

@FizzieWeb Yeah, the game was definitely middling. I still found it greatly enjoyable and played it for about a year straight just as a casual thing to have fun on, but after months on end of dead silence after Isaac and Zeus dropped and me checking to see if any future DLC was releasing, I found out it was dead in the water and only played it for a little longer after that. In terms of their efforts, I don't feel the team did anything wrong. The gameplay elements were a little wonky but not so much so that you couldn't have fun. If they made a sequel with more funding I don't doubt they could have improved upon it; it was effectively an experimental idea like N64's Smash. Uuuunfortunately that isn't even going to happen. Smash was made at a time before mass corporatization of games and people took a lot more risks, big game devs like Sony these days don't like risks at all and PSA was sorta've the end of the "experimental" phase they had. I don't consider it a coincidence that all big budget games basically started trying to be Uncharted after that.

All the hate comments really pissed me off but it was such a fun game. People would shit on it calling a smash clone but then bitch when they didn't see the game play like smash like wtf do you want?! So effing backwards i swear. Getting your own kill instead of piggy backing off someone else work to get the KO was so good.

Spiderverse shouldn't be a fuckin' standard.

I mean didn't Smash already prove that with characters like Toon Link

@@lightdarksoul2097 Kinda, Toon Link in Smash doesn't have his cell shading.

Some people complained about that. I loved the different art styles. It showed creativity with how they blend them together.

No, it’s better to do something cohesive with the art style. Spider Verse’s characters don’t exactly blend well together, but that’s kind of the point. Even then, the major characters have basically the same visual style.

I think a platform fighter is fine, the combat and movement just needs to be way more polished. I can see 2D fighting because of all the human characters, but it would be awkward when it comes to the cartoony characters

That Raccoon Thing and That Raccoon Thing’s Girlfriend are some of my favorite characters

@@oreotaku4017 They are unironically better than 95% of what we get today

I think Lara was considered, but they wanted to wait till DLC, and DLC was discontinued after wave 2.

Yeah Big Boss like the MGS3 version would be a great substitute for Solid Snake but rest are irreplaceable.

Let's not forget Jin, Aloy, Joel and Ellie, Deacon St. John, and the Hunter from Bloodborne.

I wouldn’t say rarely. Back in the day games like Final Fantasy Seven, Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot and Spyro were talked about a lot by PlayStation owners. I think the reason was that Croc wasn’t that good. Even something like Vagrant Stories get talked more about Croc outside of some pissing contest against Banjo Kazooie.

They would have to pay marvel since they actually don't own the game rights they just get first bidding for them when they want to be used

Skyrim and Elden Ring are too multiplatform for them to be considered Playstation IP. TBP added the Hunter because Bloodborne is the only Soul-borne game(ei FromSoft game) that lives only on Playstation. But I would love, for plotlines, to see both Elder Scrolls and Elden Ring representation. Sadly, they most likely wouldn't fit in this game

And Punky Skunk

@@HardWorkingGoth Are we forgetting Demon Souls? The begining of the souls fomula who got a remake launch tittle for the PS5?

@@kpg2758 i didn't realize Demon Souls was ps3 only until recently. lol and i have played the ps5 remake, or at least tried it

I think Sony has a lot of unused forgotten IPs that they can pull from if they ever make a new crossover fighter. Not only do they have LoD and Okage, but they also have Tomba, Siren, Puppeteer, Syphon Filter, SOCOM, Wild Arms, Jumping Flash, the list goes on. Tbh at least half of the roster could be taken up by obscure characters considering the amount of IPs that Sony has not touched in years.

@AbstractInhuman My only issue with Tomba is I have no idea who owns the IP. Whoopee Camp shut down in 2000. People say Sony does, but they renewed Legend of Dragoon around the time PSAS was out, and Tomba is older than LoD. And I can't find anything regarding it. I wouldn't be surprised if even Sony doesn't know, since they seem more concerned with re-releasing Last of Us.

@@napalmblaziken Oh yeah I forgot that Sony might not actually own Tomba. Still tho, I think it'd be cool to at least have the character as a 3rd party rep because I always associated the games to be part of the PS1's legacy.

To be fair, Playroom includes plenty of nods to other older IP in it, while GoW didn’t start off as an overly cinematic game but became one over time.

There were a couple of different capture the flag games in quake like freeze tag where you get frozen if your killed on the enemy side and need a guy to unfreeze you right next to you. Sometimes the flag was a ball to score on the other teams net too.

Kinda sucks that this game failed because I like the concept other game companies putting put their own characters into one big crossover like SSB but since this game failed we will probably never get to see other companies even attempt their own SSB and that's sad because SSB is awesome concept for a fighting game and I wish more games would copy its style of gameplay but also make it their own game as well.

@@KaminoKatie what the hell does Spider-verse have to do with what I said above

@@KaminoKatie not... Exactly? While each character is inspired by a different animation style, they are all still represented in the Spider-verse artstyle Spiderham isn't 1:1 to an old-timey cartoon Neither is Peni 1:1 to an anime character They just look very similar to their inspirations while ultimately being drawn (or I guess, modeled?) in the Spider-verse St's artstyle And that's just a case of having a unifying artstyle

it would look cheap

@@KaminoKatie How exactly are you planning to do that? Sly and Kat barely got their cell shaded look.

No, PS1 and N64 era games look like shit. They don’t age well like pixel art. There’s no reason to have that type of style outside of nostalgia baiting that most players aren’t going to care about

Definitely Ps3 nostalgia

I don't think they would until the series proved it could succeed especially after the first game. Which means they need at least a game with the names Sony has now which is still possible.

Funnily enough, there WAS a Move character on PlayStation Home (sort off), it was a space dedicated to the Move where you could get a Move costume that's basically a floating Move with floating hands (fucking hell I said Move 5 times).

Now Microsoft own Activision Blizzard Activision Blizzard have license to Spyro and Crash

What do I mean? For Daisuke Ono and Bryce Papenbrook's sake, we need someone who can represent the Sonic-Verse without having Sonic himself because of well, why not?

@@maxleon61702 Sakurai said that a big inspiration for smash is the King of Fighters series. So if All stars 2 never happens, at least there's KOF 15.

@@orangeslash1667 my man, yep.