We wanted to try doing something more fun with different topics. Hopefully another fun video coming soon will be on a certain currently-airing anime... UPDATES AND CORRECTIONS: 17:42 Please disregard the Peter Dinklage/Destiny footage shown here. It was based off a rumor I'd heard years ago that Dinklage was replaced in Destiny because the devs didn't like his acting. Turns out it was probably to do with scheduling and whatnot (www.polygon.com/2015/8/11/9129947/why-is-destiny-replacing-peter-dinklage-nolan-north-bungie). We just told our editor Nies to stick that footage in on that line, but it was stupid of us to do that based on a years-old memory without even doublechecking Dinklage's performance itself (which is fine even if it's a very different personality to Nolan's), sorry about that. Regardless, we still think it's possible to tell these celebrities have the fundamentals of acting when they do voiceover, it's just that either the performances themselves or the material they're working with aren't very interesting. Also probably worth noting that even when they're new to voiceover, they're still working with pro audio crews who guide them. -Abhi 22:42 someone pointed out you could also put Studiopolis in this category in regards to certain films they’ve dubbed.
With you giving the Shirobako tangeant, I guess you could look at the Japanese side of the debacle too. Look how many professional voice actors are cast in the modern Studio Ghibli or other original Japanese animated films, at least in their original Japanese version.
I'm not opposed to celebrities doing voice acting. However, I would like some regular voice actors to get bigger roles than "Additional Character #25" in feature films.
@@EightThreeEight I think the only reason why Colleen was kept is because it's usually tradition for women to voice boys. It fact Tails was played by boys in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, but had to get new actors because the boys I said before hit puberty. Getting a Female Celebrity to do a boy voice would have been too hard.
@@orangeslash1667 That mostly happens with video games and TV shows, but movies generally get children to voice young characters because they usually have more time to spend on refining the performance.
Related to the topic at hand, James Gunn admitted on twitter that he got in a fight with a Marvel exec over Bradley Cooper as Rocket. The exec was mad that they paid for Cooper, only for him to change his voice to fit the character. You know, voice acting. I think about that argument alot. It's obviously not a secret, but not exactly encouraging either. Regardless, great video as per 'ush. I like how we're cutting away from movie-clips to see your face to emphasize a statement, joke or just to break up the clips. You feel very comfortable on camera and you've already struck a nice balance. To all on the Cartoon Cipher, thank you for your time and effort, and please stay safe.
this video made me remember how in ATLA when the creators made general Zhao they were inspired by Jason Isaacs performance of "Colonel William Tavington" in the movie "The Patriot" and asked the casting director to get somebody like him and she ended up getting Jason Isaacs himself
I feel voice acting should be based on who they feel is most fit for a role. How well-known they are and/or how much they want a specific actor(s) for said role should be irrelevant.
Here's how I feel about celebrity voices: If they fit the role, go for it. Pratt as Emmett was great since at the time, Chris Pratt was best known for being the laid-back, lazy but really likable guy on Parks and Rec. He wasn't a huge star at the time so he felt relatable in that role. I also find it respectable when a celebrity takes a voice role so they can spend more time with their families or work on a project their children can watch. A lot of really great actors transition to voice acting roles more prominently but with a few exceptions, many of them work really well in it. Mark Hamill is probably the best example of this, but others that I think that fit this roles really well include Alan Tudyk, J.K. Simmons, Sean Astin and Nicole Sullivan just to name a few. But studios really should know what should work and not work. Pixar I'd argue is best at using celebrities since a lot of times they go with who's best for the role, even if it's not a huge star (like Patton Oswalt as Remy, Craig T. Nelson as Mr. Incredible or Albert Brooks as Marlin. All of these actors are known, but none of them are "A-listers" exactly). A lot of times their main roles are played by the crew if it fits (Edna Mode, Linguini and Dug for example were all voiced by people on the crew instead of big actors), so they manage what they have well. That's why it gets disappointing when they just cast someone because they're famous (Holland and Pratt in Onward for example) Dreamworks and Illumination are probably the most blatant with their casting. Granted, a lot of times it works, but other times it feels that they just casted someone in the role because they're popular and not because they're the right fit for the role I personally don't think celebrities should get $5 Million for a voice role unless they REALLY earn it (Robin Williams as the Genie for example totally earned every penny of his paycheck) but that's just a personal preference, mostly because professional voice actors usually have to work a lot more in this field and don't make anything near this amount of money Kevin Hart is always just Kevin Hart. But studios always cast him in roles that really should be other actors simply because he has a funny voice. It seems that he and Pratt are the two ones that are casted the most Sorry about the rant by the way
22:37-22:42 - You also forgot Studiopolis considering that studio also had utilized celebrities in some of their dubs such as _Afro Samurai, Marvel Anime: Wolverine & Blade,_ _Only Yesterday, When Marnie Was There, The Tale of Princess Kaguya,_ the 2019 _Ultraman_ series from Netflix (which had Josh Hutcherson as Shinjiro Hayata), and _Poupelle of Chimney Town_ (which had Tony Hale).
I personally dont mind celebrity casting. As long as they have the talent to do it. I will watch something if Zendaya is live acting and/or singing. Its why I watched the Greatest Showman, because I know she can do it. But as a voice actor, Im not sure. Similar to Encanto. The name LMM holds a certain connotation for me. Their previous experience matches job description. Thus, I watch it. Sometimes I dont mind if the actor's voice is very iconic (ie John Mellany is a superior casting decision in Spiderverse). But stunt casting REALLY ANNOYS me. Why would you cast someone who dances to act? Im genuinely curious.
I have actually liked Chris Pratt's voice acting roles. From Lego movie, to Onward. I think he is good. I was kinda whatever about the Garfield announcement when even Bill Murray (who did a great job) couldn't replace Lorenzo Music... But even just now I had to google who it was... I am being optimistic about Mario but it is a bit weird. As a fan of Critical Role, it has made me more aware of voice actors and they need to be taken seriously. They shouldn't have to launch a Kickstarter to star in their own series just to get a small amount of recognition
Pratt is really good in a small few types of roles, but my issue is that he seems so miscast as video game legend Mario Mario, older twin brother of Luigi Mario, specifically.
I'm just starting my view of this video but what do you think about the successful push by Sonic fans to get Colleen O'Shaughnessey the billing she deserves in the posters? Edit: Ah, there's the poster! But I think Matthew Lillard is a weird case. He was so all-in as Shaggy that he succeeded Casey Kasem as the official voice and he ended up getting ripped off when the Scoob movie happened. Frank Welker still played Scooby but the role of Fred went to Zac Efron. I also responded to the Mario casting with "Zendaya is Meechee."
I don't mind celebrities be name listed in an animated movie and part of the reason for the usage of celebrities over regular voice actors for animated films is to advertise the movie because of that particular Celebrity and also Celebrities are more well-known than regular voice actors (which is subjective). For instance with _Scoob!_ where other than Frank Welker returning as Scooby-Doo they recasted everyone including Frank Welker (Fred's official voice) and especially Matthew Lillard (Shaggy's current voice) with celebrities which has happened with the Mario movie by Illumination. The small positive that fans can appreciate with the upcoming Mario animated film is that they did include Kevin Michael Richardson and Charles Martinet (Mario, Luigi, Wario, Waluigi official voices) who are voice actors on the cast listing considering with most animated films they just *ONLY* list and credit the celebrities but not the voice actors, but what does concern the fans is that although Charles Martinet will be in the upcoming animated film he's not going to voice Mario and Luigi. Eve. the upcoming _Sonic the Hedgehog 2_ has Colleen O'Shaughnessey who is a voice actress will still voice Tails in the movie. I'm looking forward to how Chris Pratt handles his interpretation of Mario, and Jack Black as Bowser is an interesting casting choice.
Janet Waldo was set to reprise her role of Judy Jetson in the Jetsons movie along with the other surviving cast members, but was replaced despite recording all her lines by then up-and-coming rockstar Tiffany. Supposedly, it was done because Universal wanted her to perform songs for the movie’s soundtrack but her manager said she wasn’t allowed to do that unless she was given an acting role in the movie. And this half-assed attempt to capitalize on Tiffany’s fame backfired for all involved.
3:15 Heh, ironicaly enough, in France the Ratchet & Clank movie got a full recast replacing most characters with... youtubers. Including Ratchet himself. Can't wait to see the same thing happen for Mario. Great video by the way!
In fairness to Christ Pratt, before he got really big and did stuff like MCU and the Lego Movie, he DID actually work as a voice actor for a bit in Ben 10 and The 2004 Batman cartoon so it's not like it's completely unjustified... There is no excuse for casting Kim Kardashian though.
great video as always, my favorite celebrity voice acting role is Chris Pratt in the lego movie (yes I am serious) and my least favorite is anyone from the mystery inc. crew in "Scoob!", not because they were bad (they weren't) but because having the scooby gang be recastead felt very weird and unnecessary to me
I’ve only heard Chris Pratt in the Lego movie which he was good in, but idk him as Mario is just so weird :/ Jack Black is a good example of a movie star who’s genuinely good in his voice acting roles but there are so many others who just aren’t interesting or noteworthy in their roles and could’ve been easily swapped with a professional voice actor Also this made me think of ProZDs reaction vid to the Chris Pratt Mario news, studios really do seem to think that audiences are overjoyed when some celebrity gets cast in their favorite franchise
I feel like calling professional actors just "Celebrity Voice Actors" downplays their profession to the craft of acting. A true Celebrity Voice actor to me is someone with no training in the industry doing voice work, like a someone from the NBA, NBL, ETC.
Oh man you reminded me of the NBA 2K games, just the worst. While I don't think most live action actors are nearly that bad but they can be very one note. It's not always their fault either, sometimes executives or whoever want them to stick to their real voice or some nonsense
@@Doople very true, most executives or developers want to capitalize on the investment of having a BIG brand name in the product, so they downplay the actors role to just being themselves, so their recognizable. I do think dedicated voice actors have more range (like singers) but live action actors still have to play different roles on screen and do voice work themselves.
I think it's unfair to pin this on nintendo when in fact it's illumination and universal thats producing it. Illumination has ALWAYS cast big names for roles instead of actually making a decent movie.
it's clear the casting is to sell all the more tickets, the whole point in getting [celebrity] in [kids animated movie]. And I have enjoyed the memes. What's to say Chris Pratt won't do a decent job? But it's also MARIO. It's gonna sell like gangbusters if it was just Patrick Warburton literally voicing every character. I just hope the performances are allowed to be funny/entertaining to fit the colorful world of Mario.
Stunt casting is lame, but I'm not opposed to celebrities doing voice acting as long as it's good like Minnie Driver as Lady Eboshi in Princess Mononoke. She really brings some gravitas to that character and captures how she can be sympathetic towards lepers and sex workers and ruthless when it comes to hunting the forest god.
Showing clips of Chainsaw man trailers is a nice touch, considering as of my knowledge, they still ahvent released ANY cast members, and are marketing it solely on its own merits. That said, I am a HUGE simp for Seiyuu's I recognize, and I love when they are on projects, I have gone out of my way to watch things specifically for my favorites *cough* Saori Hayami *cough*, so I totally agree that we are all subject to that XD Lets hope that the VA industry as a whole keeps getting better and better for those who love hearing, and those we havent heard yet!!
You know what's really weird? The recent Scoob movie replaced Shaggy's current voice actor, Matthew Lillard with someone else. You know the guy who played him in the Scooby Doo movies from the 2000s? I suppose he's just not popular enough anymore.
Whether that’s the case or not it’s still dumb that they replaced not only Shaggy’s but everyone’s voice current except Scooby’s (who’s was also the voice of Fred) in this is case they didn’t really have to do that. Scooby Doo is old franchise but a franchise that’s still around and has current voices not one that hasn’t been in touched for years.
@@orangeslash1667 I know that, and I thought that movie was ok personally I just don’t like that they replaced most the established cast in this one movie for the sake of celebrities.
@@Santoryu90 Another Example is My little Pony the 2017 film. While the main 6 have their voices retained, the film still has celebrities as side characters, that was also used in the Marketing. This is a bad thing cause now we have too many characters.
@@orangeslash1667 In terms of a popular cartoon getting it’s own movie I’m not against celebrity voices being in it and used to market the movie I just hope there used well in the movie.
The way I see it, I don't mind mind celebrity voice casting, as ong as they feel right for the role. But, a lot of times that doesn't seem to be the case, and they cast a celebrity just to have a name talent. I'm sure Japan and other countries do the same thing. I would like see more of a combination of big names and voice actors in big animated films, or maybe forgo the celebrities all together and have the animated film stand on its own.
Personaly, I mind it a lot less with brand new characters. It's specifically replacing the decades-established voices of older characters with celebrities that frustrates me.
Part of me wonders who had more control over the casting: Nintendo or Illumination. Because, honestly, if it was Nintendo, it would make a lot of sense. Right now in America, people don't worship celebrities like they used to, something which studios are starting to come to terms with because these days the actors are very rarely the main focus of a movie's marketing. This isn't the case over in Japan, however, where they love both their own celebrities and Hollywood celebrities. Then there's the fact that voice actors in Japan have always been treated with a healthy amount of respect and recognition, unlike in America where there is such a massive divide between regular actors and voice actors, which breed animosity when celebrities are cast to voice animated characters. I really think that Nintendo's inability to understand cultural differences between Japanese and American audiences' perception of celebrities is what lead to the casting in this movie.
"It feels like there's this hierarchy between physical, on-screen notoriety and animated voice over." I mean, yeah. That's it essentially. Not much else to really say on the topic that hasn't been talked about to death already. And that's not to say stunt casting, celebrity casting, or meta cameos can't work, whether its something as big budget as having Peter O'Toole add tangible gravitas to Ratatouille or even something as minor but still clever as having Chris Sabat play the Piccolo-lookalike in One Punch Man's Eng dub from Bang Zoom. Hell you could even look at Beauty & the Beast's original 1991 cast as "celebrity casting" for theater circles since it only featured well-known, respected stage actors & Tony winners rather than voice actors or even unknown stage talent - but not a soul would argue that this casting wasn't pitch perfect for that film. But given just how overly prevalent it is in animation, how uninspired a lot of those choices turn out to be, and how few opportunities dedicated VAs get in return (whether its voicing feature film characters that aren't just cameos, zero marketing, etc...), its difficult not to be jaded about the whole thing as a audience member from the get-go.
More than anything I want better voice acting from all movies. Some of them are really terrible or one note like James Cordon. I'm also fine with VAs "big roles" being TV shows or videogames. I have more hope that they will be treated better in those industries than companies not chasing celeb money the moment that dam breaks. Plus there has been a decent union push in game dev that may lead overall to better working conditions for anyone involved in games. So I guess I'd prefer to gatekeep the millionaire actors because the billionaires can't be trusted.
Actors that can change their personality through movies is the thing I want like the rock is just the rock there's no acting. While the greatest showman you don't see wolverine you see a circus manager
@@EightThreeEight Fair point. But when you have a special niche that claw there way up from the bottom, getting by on their voice alone and get the rug pulled out from under them, that's where I have a problem.
@@JustaLuni I guess I just have the attitude of: If they fit the character, I don't care how famous they are. Take Ellen DeGeneres as Dory, for example. Sure, she's a very big celebrity, but she also fits that character like a glove.
I will be honest. I heard celebrities until I saw some celebrity movie. Case in point: I never seen a Mike Myers movie series other then shreck. Owen Wilson, Robin Williams, Ben Stiller only seen him in Night in the Museums trilogy I heard them on Madagascar, from Aladin (can't spell name right), lightning McQueen. Years ago I realized Gary chalk voiced optimus prime then I saw him sonic as a cameo (fun fact he was original grounder and 3d dr robotnik) if there's an animated project give it to the voice actors and if celebrities are greatly known give them an opportunity as a guest role and if they want to voice the series aimed for what they're known for if not don't remember movie actors as movie actors and bring them as a guest. I would like to be a voice actor but if I hear someone like peter Cullen or Gary chalk in a role I'll be thrilled but hearing thier roles in the booth out glad give the the cast what role. Mark Hamill as joker when they ask him he gives time but allowed Kevin Michael Richardson. Robin William was mad at disney for Dan castalanata that's miscommunication. I happen to hope if an actor won't disrespect the character of a voice actor brought to life (Paul eiding as max replace by David kaye i don't know his thoughts but mad when he didn't voice preceptor again; to conclude like I said hope if an actor won't disrespect the character of a voice actor brought to life. Because someone in my last school's virtual graduation speech said "a performance is great as it's performers" 18:27 okay what happened to ned?
It's a damn shame Ocean doesn't do as many dubs as they once did...imagine them doing the voices in a feature film that's not MLP...or even video games that aren't Dragalia Lost. also, I've said this before and I'll say it again, someone needs to reach out and give Toronto's VAs more chances to do darker and deeper projects, which they normally only get to do in live-action. Scott McCord is getting attention for FROM but he's an excellent voice actor, as are Martin Roach, Dan Petronijevic, and Robert Tinkler who all do voicework in addition to their live-action roles. Okay, I'll shut up now.
This isn't limited to motion pictures either. Mortal Kombat 11 had Ronda Rouse play Sonya Blade. And while she did an ok job, one has to wonder who that casting decision was made for, cuz I garentee none MK fan asked or cared for that.
I feel that it would probably be more relevant today with celeb VA choices then back then. I can only speak from personal experience but a good number of celebs at the time were only big in the US so when I would here about X person being in a movie I and many would be indifferent cuz why would kids go out of their way to find out y'know? These days celebs are better known thanks to the net so I guess they target fans of their movies or just the general population that is invested in their existence enough to go see a movie just to see how that goes(Though I stopped watching live action movies with the rock in them I have grown so bored of those it hurts. They ain't even fun on a surface action movie level anymore man, I've seen him do everything at this point. The movies aren't even well written dude)
Yeah, I’m personally sick of all the celebrity worship in this country. Not saying that celebs can’t be good voice actors but when you literally rip a person who’s been voicing the same character for years just to put a big name on your poster, it just pisses me off and further shows how they don’t care about the overall quality or integrity of the project. As long as it makes them a lot of money, that’s all that matters. And it does make a lot of money, which makes it more infuriating. When people stop treating celebs like demigods and see them for the normal, flawed, & privileged people they actually are, shit like this will be less common. So basically never. lol
The fact that it'll be a musical is sort of a turn off for me. But I'll still probably watch it on-demand someday for free,if they ever have it available. Would've been great if they picked an actual Italian actors to portray Mario. But I guess a Norwegian one works just as well. It's kinda the same situation when they casted Noah Ringer to play Aang. Right along with casting Justin Chatwin to play Goku. Honestly I could careless when it comes to the the ethnicity of the actor. As long as they give me a good performance the person could be rainbow. I don't care just spill your all into the character that your playing and I'm sold. Your skin color is the least of my concerns. However it just sort of reminds me of the days,in which people actually glorified the "art" of black face. Having characters whitewashed in order to please whoever's in control of the project,kinda puts me in a mind of those days. Only they changed it into portraying other ethnicities. Instead of only portraying black people. It's still not ok but whatever,that's the times we live in🤷🏾♂️Plus I adored Pratt as Star-Lord,so this oughta be a real treat💯 Charlie Day as Luigi sounds heart warming😄 I'm really really really looking forward to seeing Danny DeVito as Wario👏🏾 I honestly don't know how I feel about Seth as DK but I'm sure he'll probably be similar to how John C. Reilly portrayed Ralph a while ago. KMK is gonna slay as Toad I just know it,he's a very dedicated actor I must say😆 JACK BLACK AS BOWSER is really what caught my attention. In regards to this entire announcement honestly ❗👍🏾❗ #definitelyworththetriptothe🎦 #theatrecantwaitforthetrailer🍿
I found this while trying to find people talking about the recent interviews and promo for the mario movie coming out in a few days, because of how atrocious its been, the voice actors barely knowing a thing about their characters or the franchise, being stuck up in interviews and lazy. Like the mario kart with jacksepticeye, it was just Embarassing they didnt even know the two buttons you use in the game, it was Embarassing. At least do a practice round, to be able to at least play it. Then hey have a few facts off the top of ur head for interviews about the games or ur character, cmon pr team at least make it look like ur trying. But nope. Its Embarassing, the only one who seems to genuinely be here for it and enjoying it and trying is jack black as bowser. Anya seems pretty with it too but the rest, its just Embarassing, especially what Seth rogan said about how in the meeting he downright refused to even try and said he could just do it as himself. Its humiliating, he doesnt even know a thing about DK and seemingly just mocked the games and franchise, seeing it as silly and beneath him. Hire voice actors who can do a good job and with a massive franchise like mario, get some that know something about the games, Christ.
meanwhile, in Canada, the line is blurred and you have actors that do both live-action and voice acting....Scott McCord, Martin Roach, Martha MacIsaac, Dan Petronijevic, Garry Chalk, Scott McNeil, Shannon Chan Kent....
It really doesn't help that NBCUniversal owns both Dreamworks and Illumination... It's known that NBC lets Illumination define practices for Dreamworks. :(
I guess the only show I've watched just for a cast member is tribe nine with corpse husband which I stopped 2 episode do to being horrible in terms of pacing, voicing, and poor writing
“Obviously not every celebrity VO performance is just “themselves as a talking animal””. Ok. Name one in the last 10 years who isn’t. And let’s extend it to non-animal characters just to illustrate the _real_ point.
@@Dharengo And thats understandable as you cant know all of them I didnt know Steaphanie until Encanto and then her connection of the memes from Brooklyn 99. Of course this is prob her first (or rather most notable VO) so it will eventually happen at some point.
Yeah, I admit it would be really nice for more anime dubs to be at least a bit like the Ghibli dubs. Heck, maybe it would be easier to get more deep voices. BTW, before _Aladdin,_ there was still Kurt Russell in _The Fox and the Hound._ Just a reminder.
If you do a follow-up video, then you should mention what happened with Jetsons the Movie and Scoob, both Hanna Barbera properties. Jetsons the Movie saw long time voice actor Janet Waldo (voice of Judy) replaced by pop star Tiffany, for marketing reasons, which angered casting director Andrea Romano who demanded her name be removed from the film.
