We Need To Talk About This Company | Asmongold Reacts 

"Don't tell me you're Robin Hood when you're just robbin' the hood" Asmongold circa 2023

With asmon's sass and Charlie's hair combined, the ultimate hero PenguinGold shall be born.

Fextralife has such an amazing stream it has 23k viewers 2 hr after going offline.

The most incredible part is that everyone knows that the best way to get viewers is to be at the top of a category yet despite being the number 1 in almost every category they stream to for years, not a single person liked his personality enough to ever stick around and make a real community.

According to twitchtracker, they have 27k average viewers, but only 800 active subs. Much smaller channels (sub 500 viewers) have usually have around that amount of subs. So pretty it's obvious these people aren't actually watching the stream.

This hurts all streamers big and small. If advertisers don’t trust the process then they’ll take their business else where.

If you told me Charlie and Zack where brothers i'd believe that.

I remember looking for a rare drop armor in Elden Ring, and ofc fextra was the first thing that came up. I clicked on it, and it was literally one sentence just saying that it was a rare item.

Twitch should probably remove the embed feature, or at least change it so it doesn't affect viewer count. They won't. But they should.

Always fun to see the goblin duo yammer about the same thing💜

You won't catch Charlie talking about Opera GX doing the same thing though because they're his sponsors.

Gonna say... I've stumbled onto the Fextralife wikis from time to time. I had *no idea* the guy running it was a streamer. I didn't know that was a thing at all. But apparently I've secretly been a fan of them for years! Such a secret even I didn't know about it! Wow!

People don't understand, streamers care because next time they negotiate a sponsor they can say "how do we know you are not embedding, we are going to pay you less" this is not about morals, this affects their wallets directly and most streamers cannot or don't use the same method

Fextralife is actually so good for Divinity original sin i do not watch anything else for that game, but i think the quality of some builds for other games are very lite

I’m just surprised how fast you beat AC6 with your Mech Tank!

I don't really watch twitch that often, but when I do it's usually for drops that a game I'm playing has or I'm supporting a friend. For the drops, most of the time I try to go out of my way to sort by lowest viewers to help out smaller creators

I wonder if Twitch could be sued for tortious interference. The advertiser and streamer are in a contract but twitch allows for the embedding which allows for false and fake numbers thus allowing the advertiser to get into a misleading contract. Twitch allowing embedding is in a sense interfering with the contract. However, it would probably be easier to go after Fextralife for some kind of fraud claim against the advertiser. Something like defrauding them by however many thousands of dollars advertisers have payed them.

You can also have bots on a server open hundreds of tabs on their website, and each tab is a viewer. Their main source of viewers aren't even organic. That's the truly insidious part of this. ITs very hard for twitch to catch this kind of viewbotting, as it doesnt happen on their website.

I'm so confused about this. I use the wiki for BG3, doS2 and PotR and thought they were good. I also watched a ton of fextralife videos and build guides on youtube. So, the wiki sucks? If it sucks, then no one would use it and there would be no problem. If the issue is embedding, then its a twitch problem, right? This entire saga confuses me. Sssniperwolf exists guys

Comic Con does fudge its numbers, though. If you have a multi-day ticket, then it counts you as a unique attendee for each day you attend. So, if you have a 5-day ticket, then you're counted as 5 attendees.

What is wild is this issue is something that harms advertisers the most, but only honest streamers will care about.

One thing that always annoys me is when you see a video link for a video and it leads you to a random part of there old streams and it pisses me off to no end because it doesn’t even show me what I wanted to find

say what you want about reaction videos. at least asmon manages to make 21+ extra minutes of content with it

As a streamer make it a point when talking to sponsors/advertisers to point this out as something you don't do and suggest they follow up with any marketing they spent on twitch to ensure their paid per view ads are actually going to viewers... I imagine 24/7 30k "viewers" would be chewing up a sizeable chunk of ad views. How pissed would an advertiser be to find out that they've had 5% of their views just absorbed by non viewers? Soon as advertisers start requesting their ads not be run on fextra twitch will crack down on it.

Also doesn't help that their name is very close to a well known charity "Extralife". People that see a stream with that high numbers might be duped into thinking its a charity stream. That might be a stretch but its possible.

Fextralife has another huge issue...,.they optimize the fun out of games. For Elden Ring, all they're builds were let's make something to spam L2.

Never visited their wiki or actively watched Fextralife but I am still kinda "forced" into their stream whenever I want a twitch drop for game XY. Just because their stream is "just there" on the front page. I bet many others are guilty of that too. I will make sure to get my drops anywhere else.

I’d like to see an interview with one or more of their advertisers

His name relates so much, F - extralife

I've been using their wiki since bloodborne came out and it's been fairly accurate for me in bloodborne, dark souls 3, and elden ring but i think after this situation I'll avoid using their site from now on.

Their sekiro, bloodborne, wo long, ds1-3 and god of war wiki was complete accurate for me. Didnt know about all this shit. I even used some of their builds. Mainly used their wiki to find weapons/armors and some shit for playinum in BB/sekiro. Havent seen any incorrect info, seriously. Im surprised they are such scumbags. This is sad.

It gets even worse with their mobile site, on that they put the embed all the way at the very bottom where no one is ever scrolling to

Fextralife Elden Ring and Souls 3 are solid. Their youtube Videos are quite soothing to listen to. They also have a very well made, accomplished map of Elden Ring items. Don’t care about their Twitch channel though.

You say advertisers are getting finessed, but what kind of advertisers doesn't have their own metrics and tracking to see if the ad was worth it for them? If they keep sponsoring them, they probably see the worth in it.

Twitch should just create a button that needs to be pressed on an implemented stream for the people on the external website to count as viewers. Simple solution. Let's see how many "viewers" they get now.

I know this is super pedantic, but I'm fairly confident they dont "paste" the embed on every page but rather a parent element that is part of a template they've created so whenever they make a new page its automatically included.

most other embedders are doing so relevantly, like a company embedding their official stream on their website, that makes perfect sense, or a streamer embedding their stream on their personal website that is about them, that makes sense.

Whoever does the MHwiki from Fextra must be the only one who cares about their job since its the only wiki so far it seems pretty accurate. If only that person or people like them did the other wikis

Won’t someone think of those poor advertisers! Asmon has a TON of money in this game and that’s why he’s so passionate about this. OTK and Mythic rely basically entirely on ads and sponsors to exist so it make sense he’s going to defend his bottom line and his millionaire streamer friends. Don’t like fextra? Don’t watch their stream and don’t go to the site, until twitch makes a stand here nothing will change and all these videos are just rich people flailing being viewer Andys

introducing the NPV : Non Player Viewer

The only truth i know is that cheesecake is always more pleasant on the way in...

They don't have bots watching their streams, they have bots going into their website, that way there is the embed stream which the bots count as viewers plus they get clicks on their website meaning they can put different advertisments and get money , doubled up

Somebody should make a google chrome add that prevent embedded twitch

Hot take inbound: why should anyone care if their views are from embedding? I completely agree that the means by which they drive traffic to their site is scummy and completely support banning their links from subreddits in an attempt to stop them from pushing their links to the top with bots. However… Just about every website has ads. Embedding your twitch stream into the ad bar is just a way of occupying ad space. These aren’t views being stolen away from other streamers, these are sidebars on Fextralife being used where an advertisement could be served. It’s ultimately the same exact model as every other site, except with the added middleman of leaving advertiser acquisition up to Twitch and having someone actually play the game on stream. If they want to embed their stream on their website then more power to them, Twitch gets a dollar and they get a dollar. What’s scummy is taking up space that could be occupied by better, more reliable sources in order to prop up your own financial incentives. However you could also argue that is the entirety of the media landscape, it’s just more ethical when competitors compete by offering better value to viewers.

I remember those Fextralife autoplays, I only clicked on it once. The narration was drier than dead trees, most of the time there's just nothing, pick any two view they will try harder than Fextralife.

Remember back in the day when you searched for Dark souls weapons or wiki and such, u got "wikia", (nowdays "fandom?"), which was a truly community driven wiki. Nowdays u only get fextralife and it's kinda bs and mined information.

"are you a gamer?" - "no." - "me too. and as a gamer..."

They gotta stop trying to treat the symptom. If Fextralife loses credibility completely and loses site traffic and so they go away, some other spore will grow in the same loophole; it's fertile ground. You gotta go to advertisers in the interest of full disclosure with your concerns. If advertisers share that concern, they'll put pressure on Twitch. Specific complaints from the money make change. And now you'll look like a hero to those advertisers. Machiavellian, sure, but it works.

the "I've never heard of Fxtralife" button

don't count embed viewers or make it show separately simple for twitch to fix if they care or want.

Am i the only one that use fextralife elden ring wiki like all the time and its accurate ?

I landed in Fextralife's stream before for a drops, or give away. I forget which. It was active, but I ended up on their twitch stream 2 months later for a general stream and there was like 20k people in there and maybe 20 people chatting about the game. It was obvious what was going on.

there is a famous saying in Spanish that goes, comida para hoy hambre para mañana. this translates to Food for today hunger for tomorrow. it may be good for twitch short term but in long term it hurts everyone since advertisers will stop investing since everyone will start using this to take advantage, showing wrong numbers.

All they had to say was “we apologize for any misunderstanding, we do this to show how we are gathering this information and for everyone to follow along”

I've used their stuff for Divinity Original Sin 2 for years and never had an issue. Never knew about the controversy because I despise Reddit and generally stick to YT rather then twitch. Good to know I guess.

dude the fextralife wiki is amazing tho? It has been extremely handy for the souls series

SAME SHIRT SAME BEARD SAME HAIR SAME CONTENT

The embedding on mobile is even more hidden, its all the way at the bottom, below all the content, so you wouldnt even see the stream, at least on PC you can argue its right infront of you, but on mobile its actually hidden

with dark souls 2 items were moved for sotfs so for that only ill give them the benefit of doubt

I mean..I didnt know what viewbotting or botting on reddit was until i heard you talking about it on youtube. Im 34 years old, own two race car performance shops, im a twitch affiliate and get a few thousand views per youtube video and my highest video has almost 25,000 views. Ive been doin this for a couple views and I didnt know botting was a thing, nit everyone knows, and some people have a actual life with a wife, kids, a house, and company and dont have time to pay attention to all of this.

I always used them for souls and bg3 builds, I think the info is quite good and the builds are nice. Don't know about the other stuff

By Twitch allowing embedding they are gambling. When it blows up in their face they are betting that advertisers will not pull out of Twitch hard. If they do however then it could hurt their bottom line to the point of going under. For once advertisers are aware and cautious they wont be able to trust Twitch for a while.

Miles Morales: play dumb Who's Miles? Miles: Not that dumb!

12:20 Although Twitch has a weird way of calculating viewers because ffrom what i've found only the most recent 2 streams are counted, and it wont count (at all) if you have the same stream open multiple times. so having multiple wiki pages open in tabs would work against them i'd imagine, though 31k viewers is still nuts (it could be higher).

It should only count as a viewer if the primary purpose of the page that it’s embedded on is to watch the stream

For those of you who are annoyed by the autoplaying stream, you can block it with ublock origin and it will stay blocked forever

Not only does this detract from the false information from their website, it takes much longer for those like myself to load the page up on my mobile device.

To be fair, I’ve used the hell out of their Elden Ring interactive map, but I do have my adblocker configured to automatically remove their embeded stream :)

Fextra life never failed me in ds1, 2, or 3. Played 15k hours all in total and found very few errors. Something may be missing rarely but not much. I feel like you guys are being a bit harsh tbh.

I can't believe that asthma and put icy veins the third of the list... I see veins is literally what you want your search engine to give you when you're talking about blizzard games...

You guys have to realize how much 30K is concurrent.. this is Dr disrespect numbers, or Tim cast IRL numbers on RU-vid...

there’s some people out there with multiple guides and tabs open of fextra while playing a game and their cpu is absolutely imploding and they dont understand why

Guy with beard and long hair in raggedy white shirt reacts to other guy with beard, long hair and raggedy white shirt's reaction. We must go deeper.

Never heard of them lol. Thanos: "I don't even know who you are"

If Kick was smart they would make a public statement and ban embedding. Would be a huge power play to be honest

Spitting game is throwing out a lot of bullshit, like claiming ignorance, faking hard times, faking family trouble, faking legal trouble, or any form of deflective, disarming, or confusing horseshit that makes you such a handful that nobody wants to take you on and correct your behavior. They think they are getting out of trouble, but people who spit game only make things worse in the long run, however, even with a notorious and infamous reputation for being a liar, liars continue to think that they are powerful, and that everyone around them is falling for it, even if we aren't.

What twitch can do is to create a way to sort embedded stream viewers out of the view count. That way fextralife will have a reality check that their "community" is no more than 20

Omg I knew something was off when 2 of my BG3 build posts on Reddit that each took at least 1-3hrs to craft were downvoted within the first minute into oblivion.

Embedding part is not an issue and is blown out of proportion. Embedding twitch stream is literally just marketing. Most popular steam games have a stream embedded to them on steam. It promotes the streamer, the game, and tells you whether they are online. It’s literally working as twitch intended, it’s just that fextralife is super efficient using this.

Its true imagine your a streamer not even a big streamer and u want to be seen at all this is definitely something to be aware of

I didn't drink and drive officer. I've never even seen a car before. Alcohol? What is that?

They just made a post saying that these accusations are absurd and have proof to backup their claims. If you look at the replies they all seem to be made by bots lol

idk man their elden ring wiki was fantastic and helped me a lot and their demon souls remake build videos were great too for me when I started getting into souls games

I also didn't know reddit bots were a thing...

What's funny about this is that people are only caring because they're salty that they get less viewers. Nobody ACTUALLY cares about morality or legality. They are just using that as an excuse to tear these guys down whether it's justified or not.

"Addressing this one last time"

Best way to force Twitch to ban embed function, is to contact all the companies that advertise on Twitch, and tell them that Twitch is promoting channels by embed views, that don't actually watch their advertisements. As long as it's about money, it will happen.

Does Linus Media Group own Fextralife? seems like something they'd do.

as someone who is new to ARPGs their site and wiki helped a lot where no where else who. only streamers give a shit about a so called "view botting". rich people problems.

I can't really blame Fextra for using the tools at their disposal as they're intended to be used. Blame YT/Twitch for allowing it, not website owners for using it.

I'm no coder but it seems to be that a reasonable fix, without removing the embedding, would be to put a timer on them so that each embedded window only plays for two minutes or so, then turns into a link to the twitch stream proper. But I guess a code monkey could climb over that wall. This whole controversy is hilarious. The internet is scam land, always has been.

Guys, I want you to remember this - no matter how hard life gets out there, just know that each of us is always watching a Fextralife stream, somewhere, somehow, on some device, in some tab. This keeps us all connected

the end result of this will be advertisers reducing the payout per advertisement presented to each "viewer".

I hate to say it but embedding has been a thing way before twitch was a thing its been since HTML was a thing. I'm really conflicted with this whole situation. You can't play gate keeper for advertisers, it should be the due diligence of the company who is paying people to market their product. It's on the company wanting to advertise to decide who they give money to, I think in some cases just having their name tied to fudged numbers like "30k viewers" is good enough for some of them. Yes botting sucks but you cannot target embedding when its up to Twitch to decide to take actions.

dark souls 2 is special case. it has 2 versions, original and sotfs. obviously wverybody plays scholar of first sin, but wiki remains

when i started d4 i was first introduced to fextra and quickly realized every single build guide was complete trash.

Everywhere on the internet where you can see "an amount of people" there is botting

i am a gamer (MMO, RPG, ARPG, 4X games) and i never heard about Fextralife

Maybe it's the games I play but Fextralife hasn't steered me wrong for any game lol, nor does it show up anywhere near as often as implied here.

Used it for elden ring and ds2, was always fine except for the annoying video ads and twitch streams playing non stop