We need to think this through. 

Steve is such a goofy character that if he wasn’t the best character in the game by a considerable margin, the community would love him

for me, the worst thing about steve isn't even about steve, but the game as a whole: labbing AGAINST a character is nigh impossible without a second player to help you. the training mode is nonexistent to awful in ultimate. i always think "man smash players just don't do ANY sort of labbing or training, all they do is complain!" but then i think about how the training mode is explicitly NOT set up to allow you to create or replicate ANY sort of setups or scenarios so you can even learn how to escape. steve would be NOWHERE near as bad if you could actually lab against him properly on your own time. also, fun fact: Leroy fucking destroyed EVO Japan multiple times and ruined the game for a lot of people, and people were STILL hype for his trailer in Tekken 8

It was hilarious recently seeing on Twitter "So with the past 6 months of Steve banned, thoughts on health of the game?"🤓 *Past 6 months of Steve being legal for Majors*

I remember a few years ago one of my friends banned edge guarding and hitting someone more than twice before hitting the ground after he told me that I stop playing games with him

Man I didn't know about Labcoat 21's actual reason to be OP, I've only seen her just be used a lot and never bothered to see why. I feel exactly the same as Coney when going against a Jamie, he does way too many small hits and I haven't done jack for training against him so I can't ever find the opening.

I seriously had whiplash thinking that i missed funky kong in soul calibur

the 21 move is like, 10 frame grab with delayed invulnerability. its insane.

Lab Coat 21 is one of those shocking types of broken you always hear about but just assume is exaggeration. Outside of boss characters in old Arcade games, she's up there with the best of of them.

17:05 That's really the funniest part about the entire Ban Steve movement. I'd honestly argue that most people in the Brawl and Smash 4 era wanted MK/Icies and Bayo gone but there was just enough dissent/concern over whether it was the right decision or not that we didn't pull the trigger. Hindsight has shown us that banning was 100% the right move in both of those instances, so seeing the community potentially make the mistake a third time is funny and also really sad. Hopefully the next Smash game manages to not have 1 or 2 characters that are at best bordering on banworthy and at worst so toxic that they kill a huge portion of the scene and demolish the legacy of the games. Either that, or maybe fourth time will be the charm on actually banning the fucking problem.

The screen fading to black as Coney complains about Falco is hysterical

:Let's talk about an anime fg Coney: Ew :Guilty Gear Coney: Oh yeah I played this game! Justice!! Man Coney really knows nothing about anime but the fact he needs to hate it like that comment said, with the hi fi stuff and this it's hilarious ngl

The audio on this video was all over the place. Please have more consistent sound levels.

I thought steve got banned because of the glitch that lets you exit hitstun?

Im so sad because hes so funny so i like watching him

To quote another RU-vid comment: "Banning wobbling is my favorite analogy, because it was a single instance of something breaking the risk reward structure too much. Steve is running up against accusations of being a whole character of near wobbling, putting its hands in the face of these accusations, and going 'im not touching you im not touching you'"

I would like to thank verb_atom for noticing my Puli suggestion. Watching coney’s sheer disbelief was absolutely worth it.

sometimes i see a video essay and i question whether i should watch it bc i know coney’s gonna watch it and i might as well wait to watch that video.

steve has insane zero to deaths its crazy

They mention boss characters and no SNK games. THE GUYS KNOWN FOR BROKEN BOSS CHARACTERS

I think that Bayonetta would have been banned if Ultimate was never announced, and at that point, Smash 4 would have been really cool

In my house all levels in Mario Kart Double Dash that contained chain chomps were banned since it caused my sister and I to burst into tears because of how scary they were!

He got unbanned in Mississippi just cause pr players from Louisiana and in state played him and they didn't want them to stop coming to locals. They don't dominate, I took them last stock each game with puff. I just don't care Abt Steve anymore

so like the way Ult is designed, no character will ever truly be "over-centralizing." There's too much expression and viability sprinkled across the entire cast. Meta Knight was everywhere because he ignored what made Brawl "boring" or "lame" and literally no one else could replicate that. Smash 4 had a pretty tight nit group of S tiers, but they were still diverse and strong enough that no one felt like they were losing out by not playing Bayo or Cloud. Melee's meta is entirely different and kinda irrelevant here, and then I know jack dick about 64. The only reason Steve should even be considered for a ban is how capable he is of constricting match ups. Like, there are bad match ups in every game, but Smash's MU charts can get pretty volatile, and the way Steve shits on other characters is fundamentally different from how other characters get shit on, and also fundamentally demoralizing. There's adapting, then there's completely rewriting how you have to play and approach the game because of all his tools and what he can do with them. Doc, for example, can slowly adapt to Cloud's disjoints and Limit despite how vastly superior Cloud is to him, but Doc can't really adapt to a moving command grab, self-comboing normals, and ledge-trapping. Doc has to be preemptively mindful of all the crap that can happen to him, and play in an entirely different way just to keep himself from losing. This is just one example out of 89, but it's still a consistent concept across the majority of the cast. This constriction isn't even unhealthy or even hard to deal with long term, but it _is_ really draining and, most importantly, not fun, and that's all it comes down to. You have to put a lot of energy and thought into the Steve MU if you're an actual competitor, on top of all the other potential MUs, so it's a question of whether people want to play Smash Ultimate or Smash Ultimate + The Steve Experience in tournament. He also just looks really stupid in motion so... Yeah, that's probs another layer to it all. Oh, and training mode is garbage so actually practicing against Steve's weird nonsense is impossible unless you know a good one. Anyways, thanks for reading my ramblings. Have a great day.

The goofball default skins from Minecraft being the best characters in Ultimate and making people mad as hell and sparking a million arguments is probably the funniest outcome, I'm glad I don't play competitive so I can instead laugh at the situation

“oh my god I’m mad as hell I’m not gonna take it anymore.”

Wanted to see Noob Saibot in MK Trilogy get a mention, But pre 2011 MK is not very well known, I guess. Oh well.

Music a tad bit too loud at the beginning.

I miss coney 😢

lab coat was the definition of a busted character and someone that needed to be ban

Of all the awful Coney takes, calling Sugar ugly is one of the worst

16:33 that’s cammy for me, her buttons are incredibly good at midrange

You ever think how Kazuya and Steve wouldn’t be a problem if the smash dev team just decided to do their job for 6 more months

Did no one in chat tell Coney that it wasn't even Abigail in the sf5 clip at the start?

14:20 best search suggestion

Coney's expression in the thumbnail reminds me of that gif of the black announcer going "USE YOUR COMMON SENSE!"

Petshop feels like a character Sonix would use if he played JoJo

Steve is what would have happened to Icies in melee if wobbling was basically impossible to detect without VOD review

Bro not the falco ban at the end lmao

i know melee has a rule for camping. does ultimate have a rule against camping or defensive play? steve mostly plays defensive and campy with what i've seen, so can't player call a judge for ruling against a campy steve or campy character?

15:00 Fox Melee

If they patched out PHANTOM BLOCK. Maybe i would be able to play one of my favorite characters without getting fucking yelled at

I FORGOT labcoat got banned, she was BUSTED! Still kinda is I hear. I should play that game again!

Luigi is a grappler

labcoat was RIDICULOUS

PROHIBIDO JUGAR CON RUGAL

13:00 Coney has good taste in dogs! I own an Australian Cattle Dog named Jimmy!!

I think thats not Abigail, thats Birdie

Bro idk if I’m just bad or something but Jamie really isn’t all that good. He’s got half of his useful kit locked behind his drink mechanic and the most reliable way to get a drink is to combo into it which is hard because he doesn’t have good approach options and also can’t keep pressure from a distance due to a lack of projectile. The only thing he could really ever do to hurt you is IF he can hit you when he has a drink or two and a meter

i dont think

i remember when people were trying their hardest to justify sheeva's jump attack shit in MK11 and just get wiped the floor with when the dev patch nerfed it. all of a sudden everyone was saying the move was broken and needed to be nerfed. a bunch of bandwagoners - worthless

You told the abegail reveal story lkke 2 videos ago

Mk9 was awesome reminds me of smash ult "everyone is broken!!!"

Anyone know the name of the song in the beginning?

This is the fourth time Coney used Steve in the thumbnail (I don't think he likes him guys)

A red heeler is just Coney if he were a furry

Have you watched "The Brilliant Fighting Game Community"?

cool video

Yeah I guess so

I hate that Steve was banned in Texas. Not because he's fun to play vs, but because when I go to majors I always lose to Steve players cause I never had to learn the MU

I hate to be that guy but could you turn up the volume in post? I like watching these at work but i can hardly hear you unless my phones to my ear

I love this shit man

post hour long videos coney

I like how the chat doesn't correct Coney on how the lab coat grab works. Silly smash players

Someone in the background at 17:51 brings up an interesting point. "Steve does have a few bad matchups but people refuse to switch characters." It kind of harkens back to that whole "a skilled Roy can beat any Fox" comment that Melee is famous for (which actually happened btw when some dude, I forget who, destroyed an entire tournament as solo Roy). I think people in Ultimate are too accustomed to top tier meta picks that they refuse to "stoop" to a character who is a few cuts under and actually experiment. Like what if Little Mac had some weird gimmick that 100% countered a character like Rob or Smash 4 Bay? Despite being a joke character, you can bet your ass EVERYONE would have a pocket Little Mac for matchups like that. I bet the Steve counter is out there and we just don't know it yet. My gut tells me Sora has a decent shot with the floaty jumps and the three dashes to get around Steve's weird form of edge guarding but I fell off of Ultimate right around Sephiroth so obviously take my thoughts with a grain of salt. The "skilled Roy" meme got dunked on for years though until it actually happened, that's all I'm saying. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Steve isn't nearly the polarizing matchup we think it is, he just has a good matchup against a lot of the established top tiers. Also this is not propaganda, I would much rather have Sakurai step back in and nerf Steve, Aegis, and Kazuya (and Rob and maybe Pikachu while we're at it, but especially Steve) and buff a lot of the bottom tiers (why is Ridley SO AWFUL intentionally??) but as far as we know that just isn't in the cards so we just have to experiment and cross our fingers.

coney just jiyuna play smash

Steve is a complicated character and banning him is a task that’s just as complicated. I think he should be banned, but it’s hard to create a full international ban if Japan continues to be so stubborn about banning him and if PMLG, which is the main reason why Steve bans came about, continues to lack practical data to show how good or overrated it truly is

coney i 100 percent agree. I LOVE MELLEE MEW2

Coney and his dog look related

Matthew 13:18-23 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Nothing to think abt get Steve and kazuya out

I don't think any character or technique should be banned just because "people don't like it"

The Meta of smash ultimate is a death sentence for the longetivity of the game. Nobody respects the game, nobody respects better players. Its a party game.

My mind instantly thought about Bluey when Coney talked about the red heeler 😭

7:31 Vergil isn’t even top 3 anymore. He’s usually placed 4th or 5th. Theory suggests he might become even lower

music is way to loud

7:47 look at that handsome young coney sub

Leroy was broken ASF bro

Steve's not only banned for the bug he has, but also because people find him to be lame. Players don't want to play against Steves and viewers don't want to watch Steves, so the ban was to prevent a decline in attendees and viewership (although, the ban did cause a lot of Steve players to stop attending tournaments and as a result decreased the amount of entries).

where is the nerd

the WOKE MIND VIRUS is stopping me from playing STEVE beyond a CASUAL SETTING!!!!!!!!!

i wish i hadnt seen the video first i am wasting so many coneyseconds

no im good

I've said it before, I'll say it again the *reason* for the Steve ban was because of a *glitch* they had to *look for* because it never came up *in tournament* between all the time Steve has been out and the time Steve was banned (in some places). If ya'll just went the Meta Knight or Bayonetta route and said "too OP", that would be perfectly fine. But NO, you deadass tried to intellectualize the entire thing and just ended up clowning yourselves The ban itself is whatever, the *reason* behind it made me lose brain cells

I personally think Steve would be bannable if he got to Bayo/Labcoat/Leeroy levels of use. He definitely isn’t overcentralizing at the moment

ima save y’all 20 minutes “but steve is funny”

That's the only reason hes still banned in coinbox which is cringe. I love hbox but come on man

Hey

I really hope they bring back Abigail for 6, hes like a big auto mogul now and i neeeed him in a suit

#StopJamieHate

Steve is actually what most smash characters should be like, the most skill-based, well-designed, hype character in the game

HE'S AN ADORABLE DOG shush you're just jealous

I ain't first but damn, close enough brother.

Excellent Clickbait, “We have to think this through” as the title and Steve in the thumbnail even though he doesn’t even really discuss banning Steve other than like, “it wouldn’t affect me personally tho lol too bad for you guys but my skin in the game isn’t the same as yours 😈”

Turn down the damn background music. Can barely hear CONEY

Back when MKX was the rage, I had some friends that said you couldnt use the same move twice in a row because that was spamming, and when I say move I mean it. You hit low 2 twice in a row? You are done get out of here thats banned, your combo wants you to use forward 3,4 three times in a row to get maximum damage? You better find a different route or else they would just not play the game. I ended up not playing with them due to it.

Steve is for sure more broken than Bayonetta was. People were just mad they had to learn how to sdi

Steve got done dirty tbh

There is no dilemma. Some tournaments should ban Steve. Some tournaments should allow Steve. It's that simple.

the problem with the steve ban is that there's 4 other broken top tiers that nobody seems to have an issue with, it's just that steve is harder to come up with counterplay for because they have to actually think about what steve is doing and they're just used to mashing buttons. also they banned him because of a bug (which people have already found counterplay for) and i think that's lame

Steve could’ve been so many other characters …… but somehow they chose Steve …. God damn it man