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Yeah what he said

as a cheater, some cheaters will likely get banned, cheat developers will let all cheaters know whats going on and then develope a work around.

​@@sansanimzisnotrealanymore I couldn't imagine cheating in TF2. Kinda lame tbh.

@@doyouknoedawae cheating in tf2 is way more fun than fortnite or any of the goofy games coming out nowadays

@@sansanimzisnotrealanymoreBecuase you ruin the fun for others?

Weird analogy since the whole Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment was a sarcastic facetious intellectual joke at Heisenberg's expense. The cat is Heisenberg's concept of quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle, which was considered to be preposterous at the time. Einstein made the exact same joke, by saying God doesn't roll dice, or something to that effect. Anyhow, your analogy is weird, but your Idea is not wrong. Valve, by keeping the bot host in the dark as much as they keep the gamers in the dark... Sorta hides hidden variables that will only manifest once they update the game. My guess is they will have to make big changes to match making, code that prevents bots from the same IP network, etc... pattern detection for swarming, etc.. the basic stuff

@@JonDisnard 🤓

​@@JonDisnard Holy Shit,not every joke needs an entire paragraph about why it's wrong

Feeding the cat is treadmill work

@@fantastikboom1094 npc

Tf2 will not lose support stop thinking that

@@darrenchen964 I'm not. Trust me. I don't believe this game is anywhere near dead, and I take the lack of response from Valve as proof of that.

@@darrenchen964 He literally didn't say that. Learn to read lmfao.

Valve ignoring TF2 because their traumatized by that video makes a lot more sense than I want to believe💀

LOL

@@BoinglyThe3th wrd 😭

Gabe is just jalous that he didn't had his Buff artwork and now tries to kill the game by no support

@@neverdieu3431 This lore is crazy

hoping for b)

C: The game has been nothing but a cash cow for them. Every update comes from the workshop and all they need it maybe 1 or 2 techs once in awhile to tighten up all the bells and whistles.

I wish b) because if they actually communicated to us that they were done with the game, I wouldn't be as mad.

C stands for... COOL 😎👍

thats probably not something he actually said but i agree

He didn't said that

@@artifactU It takes 20 seconds to find out he did say it

@@HeideGuy He did

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Hot take - they should make TF2 paid again and roll out this change along with a massive ban wave. This should be unannounced until it is live so the bot hosters have no chance to prepare. People who already own the game wouldn’t need to buy it again.

@@TF2Llama honestly, the idea doesn't seem that far stretched, and I could possibly even see it working.

@@TF2Llama but then that kills the whole purpose of tf2. a game where anyone can try at any time to actually experience what makes the game great. the community that goes beyond the competitive scenes of CS, valorant, and LOL. tf2 mixes the competitiveness and casual feeling perfectly and needing to pay for that will take away the casual feeling

@@wc5502 yeah, so this is a valid point. It would still be free for people who already own the game, but it could lead to casual becoming more serious over time and reduce the number of new players coming to the game. The judgement to make would be whether this is acceptable for stopping the bots. By having a fee for new players, the bot hosters would have to pay for each new account and this would provide funding for valve to hire someone to review reports and ban bots and improve anticheat. Of the ideas I’ve seen floating around, this feels like it would be the most effective approach to stop bots. That said, I don’t know how likely it would be for valve to go with this approach as it is a bad look to start charging for an old f2p game. The ideal would be for valve to get rid of bots without making tf2 paid. I’m not sure how likely this is to happen. It is treadmill work since each time valve adds something to the anticheat, the bot developers will try to find a way around that.

Deadass most killtf2 fans just say “Your movement won’t work!!” “Why?” “I SAID SO”

@@user-bb8fx2yh3k i've created a pretty detailed list of reasons why it won't work: 1) team fortress 2 is older than the majority of the people currently pushing this inane movement and is INFAMOUS for its spaghetti code. do you want to work on a game this old, shambled together using awful duct-tape fixes for everything? no. no one does. 2) developing functioning anticheat is a cat-n-mouse game at best and a sisyphean task at worst;. not even massive companies with several thousand employees can develop anticheat for modern games that remains undefeated, even kernel level anticheat can be bypassed these days. the treadmill work simply isn't worth it, considering tf2 barely breaks even money-wise 3) valve is a privately traded company. your complaning will to nothing to shift their actions. the only reason review bombing worked for helldivers 2 is because sony is publicly traded, meaning they had to answer to their shareholders. shareholders can sue the hell out of any company that isn't living up to expectations, thus sony had to buckle to the community. valve has no such weakness. steam alone makes so much money that a complete and total boycott of the tf2 marketplace wouldn't even make a fraction of a dent in their overall profits. 4) valve's unique horizontal structure guarantees that nobody will work on tf2 unless they want to be fired. in place of middle/upper management, valve has cliques and ego-driven senior devs that judge your decisions. choosing to work on tf2 instead of anything the senior devs prefer will almost certainly result in your termination from the company. that kind of work environment doesn't exactly facilitate the idea you can just get a job at valve and work on tf2 yourself. 5) we already have proof that this is a MASSIVE waste of time across the board. remember the last two attempts to get valve to notice you? you got a tweet. a single tweet. you got some updates, some bug fixes, and that was enough to silence you entirely. nobody championing this movement has the attention span nor the backbone to make something like this work, even *IF* valve could be moved through community action these days. 6) the game is in no way unplayable. community servers exist and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. saying tf2 is unplayable is a straight up lie. community moderation has unfortunate side effects (like facilitating the abuse of power if you disagree with them about anything), but it makes it far easier to outright ban any bots. tl;dr: tf2 is old and full of spaghetti code so no one wants to fix it there's no such thing as good anticheat valve is privately traded so they can (and will) ignore your complaining valve's corporate structure disincentivizes working on tf2 there's no evidence the protestors even have the willpower to make this work community servers still exist and jannies, as annoying as they are, have more power to permaban bots

and then they take those teammembers away and puts them for their new and improved team based shooter

same bro I'm not even from a english speaking country

bye

yup

Wouldn't say that. The didn't build Rome in one day. We need keep pushing still after summer update, because if anything will happen or not then, we must make them do a tread mill work, otherwise they gonna slap bandage fix that gonna last for 2 weeks and then what?

@@Jasiuc330 yea summer update is an opportunity for us not to buy the new items, which will put even more pressure on Valve

Let’s boycott Tf2

@@proactiveomnipresentvessel6569 agreed

Not true, people can still do the movement after the summer update.

i mean the bots aren't in just tf2 they are also in cs2 , their newest game

I would like to think that valve after finishing their newest title, deadlock, they are finally able to let the main devs to work on other games, tf2 and cs2

I think we are

Doomers start with the denial Traders get angry RU-vidrs bargaining Everyone gets depressed. Ftp and quitters Acceptance

fixing the game by them means one of two things: 1. they had a fix in the works since #savetf2 (because that is how long I expect a lasting, no 1-2 day fix to develop). 2. the bots will be back in a week with a workaround.

Can I have permission to spread this post to the tf2 reddit? (with credit to you obviously)

@@Mr_K_OFFICIAL_CHANNEL Sure! Thanks for asking for permission.

@@lordjaraxxus5418 There is no way they have had a fix in the works for over two years- at least not actively. Plus, this isn’t the kind of thing where you make one anti-cheat and then nobody can ever cheat again. It’s an arms race between cheaters and the game, and it requires TLC Valve has not given to this game for years. They did some things to make it harder for bots for a bit… and then gave up. But they’ll happily put in the work to add crates with new goodies for us to spend our money on.

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Me too curiously enough. No idea why, this makes no sense.

@@figeon usually winter is associated with things like colds

@@ME0WMERE Yes but it’s the middle of summer right now. I should not be sick.

I guess pollen stops existing in summer apparently

Yeah I think one of the problems is they had a relatively small team and the guy doing all those interviews was a programmer. Not a public relations guy. So they realised their mistake. Under promise over deliver is the proper way to do it

Indeed he speaks like he was here from the start

What? It was obvious!

Heck Yes! Go TF2 Community!!! #REDDITON

Have you tried making a new youtube account? Also valve wouldn't get any money from you selling your inventory if you did the transaction outside of Steam

if there's already cheaters in that game then i highly doubt it if they use the same "suggestion" that they used that has failed TF2 and CSGO and SC2

@@lugismansion2400 that game isnt out yet & my comment is saying that i hope that that game is being made with a new anti cheat, in other words not the same on as is being used right now

@@artifactU what I’m saying is Valve has shown that they don’t give a crap about cheaters once one of their games goes ftp, they cared about them before CSGO went FTP and now they don’t what makes you think they are gonna care here?

@@lugismansion2400 i never said i think thats whats gonna happen i just said i HOPE thats whats gonna happen

This actually sounds like something Valve would do

Just hope is not like Vanguard.

I don't see valve doing that. For starters, if they announced ANYTHING publicly it would be a gun shot to the foot. Because now they take responsibility. They don't like that. And if they do that, cheaters would begin taking stuff off the web out of paranoia, then bring it back when they feel like it. So, the best option for Valve is to silently hire someone to work on the game, fix the game, and then pay them to maintain it. That way it's secret and tidy. ((Another option could be making a new code for TF2, messing with the bot hosters))

what else are we supposed to do

We don't have any options left

"Instead of providing good arguments, I will type some sort of comment about how the movement's coping and go on with my day, spreading negativity because I don't care"

no

Tf do we do then? There is no other option than FixTF2, unless you count something like taking the fight to the bot hosters themselves which is a horrible idea

Short-term fixes that could be done but are still only bandaids and are highly controversial. 1) Make the game cost $5 to $10 to play per account. Assumeing you got the game for free. 2) (trigger warning) ban sniper.