We Talked To Former Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Designer - Matt Bell! | Heart of the Cast 26 

I think YuGiOh has gotten so complicated and complex with rulings that you could definitely have at least a bachelor's in it lol

I agree, this was great

Ee😮

Agreed, was awesome and insightful and always grateful to people like Matt who take the time to do this stuff.

Did they talk about it?

@electricspirit3600 at the very end yes

Yugioh as Takahashi intended

Yup, and also there are plenty of alternative hobbies available.

Lol you don't but any product stfu lmao. Most people that say this spend no fucking money and borrow 80 precent of your cards lmao.

I miss playing the game, until I actually pick it up again

Good luck getting the entire community to not buy products

​@@cplgsleight1661a 1~3% change in income is still gonna be observed by corporations

Agreed I want to see robot raiders in action not just hear what it is.

I’m pretty sure they are unenforceable in most places as well but I could be wrong. Edit: I’m not saying that this dude should test it or whatever, I wouldn’t want konamis legal team down my throat nor does it look good for future employers, just saying permanent NDAs are not only dystopian morally speaking I’m pretty sure most legal bodies also recognize that.

That’s corporations for you.

@@SDREHXC Depending on the state you're in NDAs are not enforceable at all

So you want him to start leaking trade secrets that the competition can use for their own benefit?

@@xkxk7539 Yes

He was very intentional in saying this is what he likes or views it to be, not what actually it is used for. And when asked about rarity bumps he explicitly said you’re going to have to read in between the lines of what I’m saying.

A well balanced list is also a part of its marketing. If a list is good, more people will play and therefore buy product.

I mean if we want tournaments and the card game to be supported we need a big company behind it. Imagine them being smaller. Whats with the printing and designing of cards? Imo the banlist is okay partially as a marketing tool in case of not hitting new decks from the get go. It should obviously mainly be about balance. What i am almost more concerned is the rate at which new products release. If it were more reprints it would be fine but most of the time its new cards which can feel overwhelming.

@@Corey91666I imagine it would be like flesh and blood were they care about players and still profiting and not juicing every cent out of them

Lmao thats hilarious

P.s. ban instant fusion and bring kit back❤

​@@andreafiorucci8142justice for tear

iirc, they mentioned he'll be on soon for an episode on Rogue decks

Hope not, the guy is loud and unbearable

god he’s so annoying no thanks

There should have been reciprocal banishing. Because colonialism has costs

​@@yardshipscorched earth operation isnt colonialism, its loot and burn.

Omniman deck

Matt kinda hinted at both being possible with examples. 1) They knew Zoodiacs ahead of time being released so they didnt do major hits to the previous meta decks 2) They underestimated the utility of the Danger monsters as being able to sift thru player's decks consistently. They mostly focused on the design of the cards being unqiue in this case.

I mean, I’m sure they know what cards are going to be real strong, and some combo lines, but they physically don’t have the time to find everything. From there, it’s more about being able to assess how much is too much rather than trying to judge every edge case

@@traplover6357 agreeing with this as other example for intended strong deck example above that Matt not part of was kashtira. And my fav example of accidental is the lyrilusc fusion and tyrant neptune

@@comettcg8830 another example was the reaction to Zealantis, being a really cool card outside of the small issue of only requiring 1+ effect monsters to make it, until he learnt about the water lock interaction to effectively non-target banish an entire board with it.

Give me that card

Don’t know if it’s fun to play or not, but I hate to break it to you it is miserable to play against even without Diablosis and Shifter.

@@ducky36F i do rather play against kshatrira 10 times than facing other rogue deck in the game like vaalmonica or flunder in md, the boss cant protect himself by vaal and flunder PROTECT ENTIRE FIELD

@@ducky36Fimo the only actually problem with kash (cards with kashtira in the name, this is not including shifter) is arise heart. A macro is just not designed with good back and forth interaction in mind. Especially when it comes with a targetted shadow realm removal on it.

​@@robertbauerle5592the same can be said to all deck designed after 2019 that came from ocg, Lets say vaalmonica if you think that having indestructable bagooska+2 mathmech superfactorial+snatch steak is "fun back and forth duel" you must be smoking, and this is basically one card combo because how easy you get it. not to mention vaal can protect floodgates as well. Kshatrira is overhated in tcg, no need to deny it.

@@ducky36F That's why I call it lying. It was never a problem in MD but people like you pretend it was. One board breaker solos the entire deck. Mathmech? Branded trying to play solitaire? We've had more annoying decks that nobody complains about like they do Kashtira.

Tbh we learnt that in like 2012 when they wanted everyone to stop playing synchros and start playing xyzs so they banned every good tuner.

Yeah. I think it's because it's a very sensitive topic, especially since any information given could impact the secondary market or consumer trust in Konami. We all know that secret rares don't typically get banned too early, but if he verbalizes that, it becomes more complicated, especially if the opposite happens and people say, 'Hey, he said secrets don't get banned too early, so why did it happen this time?' It's definitely a complicated topic.

@dollz8712 Yea for sure, I'm just saying it's no secret. Obviously he doesn't wanna get sued for breaking an NDA

Still almost always defined by what you mill which is putting too much gambling/luck into the occasion for it to be called the best designed deck ever in my opinion. Also no locks into anything like what where they thinking

@@TheCroatia7 it’s not gambling, it’s just not linear. With the way the deck plays, at least not when all of its cards are at 1, you can consistently get something off of a mill. You don’t know what it will be, and what it is will change your line of play. Also each card in the hand of a tearlament player represents around the same amount of board presence, unlike something like snake eyes, yubel,centurion, etc. Most modern decks have a specific line of linear play they try to go for, and any interruption stops that line of play. Then they either need an extender to resume that line of play, or stop. Tear does not work like that. Additionally, a lot of in-engine pieces require you to have an opponent that is playing the game in order to get full value: All of the traps, scream triggering on the opp’s turn, and most noteably, havnis. The deck can’t just play hyper proactively for 10 minutes like other meta decks or even rogue combo decks, because the deck isn’t designed to get full value that way. You can set up, but what you’re usually doing is getting ready to play the game on the opponent’s turn. Non-linearity is important if you want a game to feel different when the same style/archetype/deck is played, and I think a lot of yugioh players feel this subconsciously when they play these combo decks with a dedicated linear combo for the 50th time in a row. It might be fun for the first few times or deck building to find lines, but the interaction with the opponent is where a true “good game” comes from and no deck in a long time has done that as well as tearlament.

@@robertbauerle5592 i wouldn’t even argue on most of your points. The one thing I do see differently is the perception; to me thats not good card design. Thats broken card design. Giving every single in-engine piece the same broken effect when sent is not good card design to me. Being able to play a full turn, ending on a good (not insane) board and then at the latest in the main 1 of the opponent doing it all again? How is that good. Its interactive yes, you can do a lot of different shi- yes, it entices you to think about plays yes. But its also a deck that wasn’t even properly killed when everything went to limited. A deck with 20 one off in engine pieces that still wins tournaments is not a representation of good card design. Maybe too good card design.

@@TheCroatia7 you’re arguing power level - that’s not directly related to the design of a deck. If there were other decks that could compete at the same level as tear, this would be a lot more apparent. You can actually experience this (though not easily) on dueling book with custom cards

@@robertbauerle5592 thats fair. I probably have more of a problem with the power of the deck, but that IS kinda related to the design. If there is no lock on any of these effects and they use milling as their main strategy thats just too easy to substitute good cards with trash that came out over the last 20 years but they do the same stuff. The deck is fun (as long as you dont play spright against it lol) but the effects just lack conditions or requirements. Ion’t know. I like tear players, they’re smart. But we’ll never get anything like that again, I think. I don’t think snake eye fiendsmith can do anything against full power tear

Happened to me as well 2017. Im born 91 and grew up with 90 and 2000s pop culture. Of course i had a big interest in YGO but back then just getting 3 structure decks was unthinkable to me. With 26 i suddenly had a nice income and could effort things i couldnt before and i ended up getting quite a bit of decks.

Rolling a dice or just picking a card at random are both correct.

I have never heard of some that doesn't care about robots. They either think they are cool, or that they are going to take their job.

I mean you have to pick a theme of some kind and that’s always going to alienate someone who doesn’t like your theme. You can’t make a game for everyone.

An educated guess would be that they are contractually obligated to avoid those archetypes specifically, since that would mean giving up on their control over the "classic" archetypes.

tcg team isnt independent, unless konami jp said okay and given the resources like artwork etc they cant make shit out of nowhere.

@@r3zaful I understand that but doubling down on support that they are already trying to sell in the tcg would only result in more profits for konami, I can understand not making tcg exclusives for a new archetype because the ocg probably has plans for future support, just seems a waste to make pack filler that no one wants when you could help sell your set.

@@rafflesiaandfriends did you listen to the pod? Matt's team designed danger/land unknown and dream mirror, his team design philosophy focus on "roleplay" and uniqueness than competitiveness, because he knew that tcg casual scenes are pretty dogshit compared to ocg that needs to be fix. The problem right with his philosophy, is now the archetype he creates are very likely to be underpowered as hell compared to the more competitive focused ocg designers. Even if he given the chance to create legacy support to old archetypes, it will be very likely to be not as strong as ocg designers. He literally hates masterpeace, which means he and most tcg devision employees are the type of designers that think the player who play the card and the player who have to deal with it when designing a card or archetype, which is noble idea, but in execution? Im so sorry playing dream mirror the Way he designed during the first wave will guaranteed you 20+loses at locals and that will not make anyone feel good, even your opponent will probably lend you their deck because they feel bad. Thankfully ocg side fix the deck to be at least playable enough to win one or two duel, by competely ignoring their field mechanic and just put both field on each side of the field. Just like i said above, Matt is a great designer for casual card game, unfortunately yugioh is a semi competitive game where his philosophy doesn't aligned with the ocg designers.

When you put it in the perspective that Halq was broken day 1 on release but that Rollback has been good at best, he isn't wrong. You know now that Rollback is a card and currently doesn't do anything degenerate competitively, and if it does, it is thanks to Beatrice which is a card that has been know to be a problematic card. If you don't want it to be degenerate just don't make a deck that turns it into a degenerate card.

Rollback isn’t as strong as Halq.

Comparing a main deck normal trap like rollback that NEEDS to be sent to grave to get any value versus halq that will always be available via the extra deck and is infinitely easier to access and leads a LOT more nonsense is freaking stupid. Normal Traps and generic extra deck monsters are NOT in the same stratosphere of power and some silly people REALLY need to understand that 😂

Rotations do not stop Power Creep. Just look at Any game with rotations; all of them experienced massive Power Creep.

They sure handle power creep a hell of a lot better than eternal formats do. There’s no way you can compare MTG Standard and Legacy and tell me there isn’t a significant difference.

@@connermorgan9223 if you compare Power Creep, you gotta do that in the same format, otherwise, you're Just pretending to manipulate data to ignore reality. If you compare today's standard with a standard from 6 years ago, the current one is WAAAAAAAAY faster, with an insanely better card quality.

​​@@francescolofaro8258honestly, mtg did a great job reducing powercreep, I think it was at least 8/9 years until thinks got fucked over because they started focusing on commander

and ignored monster types.

I mean he’s moved on from yu-gi-oh and he’s busy with his own card game. It’s not that surprising. He probably doesn’t have the time to really focus on yu-gi-oh

just sharing other perspective, it's actually not super hard to just outpaced by yugioh if you have something else to focus, be it real life or other card game. I took a break from yugioh on the early Link era, and come back pretty much on master duel release. While I won't say I'm 100% isolated from yugioh info, the things I heard are super minimum, like Firewall dragon cause stuff and got banned. When I touch master duel for the first time I totally not familiar with what is tri-brigade, drytron, or eldlich, I didn't even know what staples are played