We Tried Doing Some Railroad Maintenance and it Went Horribly Wrong... 

I kinda need to see kAN and Hyce playing Snowrunner and how frustrated with getting stuck in the mud there they'll be.

22:05 That "rescue" locomotive should be only one and unique, it should be Shay that rescues all the rest of them :D

My suggestion on if other sheds are able to repair engines: I'd say you can try. Put a wrecked engine in those sheds and see what the engineers there say about the amount of damage. I.e. at the start of the next episode, you flip a coin that tells you if the engine is now fixed or if it has to be taken to the main shed for _another_ episode. If it's an important engine, you might want to take it straight to the main shed, as that guarantees that it's only out for a single episode.

I feel like "Railroad paperwork simulator" would end up being a logistics-based version of "Papers, please". And then the 3d version would just end up being train-based Contraband Police, complete with high-speed train chases and rail shootouts with the pinkertons.

The coaling tower is designed for the other type of hopper cars as they are a belly dump design

6:40 Fun fact about the Eiffel's tower engineers: I live in a small city on Spain and those same engineers, some time before the Eiffel's tower, they designed a bridge for our town. It has the same looks and it has a plate on one en stating that it was designed and built on Paris and the year of the construction. If you want to come to visit it or other historical things, reach me out, I can be your local guide

Kan's derailment was like the one UP just had in California runaway iron ore train in the desert derailed the crew had jumped off, and at one pint it was doing 118 12 miles before the derailment.

My best friend is a maritime engineer and he tells me about all his fun times he has when he has to fully go into the engine and check a cylinder in on of the diesel engines and he has an injector that is 18" long and weighs like 25-30 pounds

Hello kan i have definetly watched the whole video since it was realesed 56 sec. Ago, such an great video!

The best part of you and Hyce posting both streams is that I get to watch these twice. 😂

The town your probably thinking of is Centralia. The mine under the town has been burning from sometime around 1960s. Lol 2nd fun fact it was the main inspiration for Silent hill! I actually live an hour or so from it but the whole area is a no go by the state but people still go. It looks like a hell scape as sometimes the fire makes it's way in tiny pockets to the surface but most of the time the area is blanketed in smoke coming through the ground making it look almost exactly like the games it inspired. PS I am almost 100% sure you guys talked about it before. now that I think of it

kan and hyce should totally try doing a podcast, listening to them just talk to each other is calming for some reason

37:45 This reminded me of a Finnish locomotive. Back in the 80s the Finnish owned train operator, VR, wanted to get more powerful locomotives. So logically they took a passenger train locomotive made in the 60s and put a Wärtsilä ship engine (Wärtsilä as in the people that made the biggest engine in the world, althought they "only" used a 12 V 22 on the train). The prototype locomotive was known for its power, but it only stayed as a prototype and was scrapped in the 90s

I'm just in awe at how great of a duo Kan and Hyce are.

Centralia, PA. is the town, it is the inspiration for the town in the Silent Hill game series. In the early 1960s the towns fire dept. was doing a trash burn, which was common practice, the place they did the burn had cracks in the ground, or was too close to a mine vent shaft and embers from the fire made their way into the mines and caught the coal seams on fire. The towns government, then the county government kept saying "Everything's ok, don't worry." then when it was obvious things weren't ok they were slow to come up with a plan to stop the fire, by the time they had a plan the fire had spread too much to be put out. The state government started buying the properties from people willing to sell, then made a deal with the few holdouts that they get to stay until they die or decide to move then their property goes to the state, for years the town was slowly disappearing as the government acquired properties and demolished the buildings, the whole town is gone now, just the street layout and the cemetery are all that remains and smoke and steam are still coming through the cracks in the ground the fire created. Look it up, it's an interesting story, there are lots of documentaries and articles on it. (Edited for typos)

The underground coal fire is in Centralia, PA, and the aesthetic of the constant smoke and gloom was the inspiration for the aesthetic of Silent Hill.

since hyce works with high pressure steam you should tell him about how much pressure water creates as it freezes

When Kan crashed the Choo Choo, he should have just run off into the woods like the skeletor meme or just pulled the map up and ghosted to a rando telegraph shed. Commence full and total denial. 😂

A small run around siding would be handy to get Betsy on the other side of the cars for loading coal into the tower. And maybe when you empty the tower, you can move it up farther to allow both tracks on either side lead to the turn table... Kind of like Ridgeway on the Rio Grande Southern.

You are going to need to build quite the shop for your cars considering how many get binned

kAN: you can see the loading grate on the ground in the grass that you're feeding. It still doesn't make sense that it isn't under the tracks, but there's still a grate there.

Lol so great…. Choo Fast, Choo Furious…. And the burning ghost town is Centralia, PA

Regarding derailments in an episode: If you bin it you may be able to do some "field repair" to get the engine at least running again. But then you are limited to only 50%/25% throttle or whatever, until you bring it into the shop for repair in the next episode. That wouldn't leave the trains stranded and would still inflict some penalty.

Question for Hyce: I recently saw a picture fo a catastrophic failure of a steam engine in 1977 Bitterfeld, East Germany, where the engine launched its entire boiler up and to the front while in the station and I wondered if you could explain how and why something like that could happen

Hyce transforms into James T. Kirk! 🤣 "Kannnnnnnnnn!"

I honestly wasn't expecting to enjoy this as much as I have. Something peaceful about this game and the history being shared about trains. 🤔

A friend of mine worked at the NS Hump yard in Allentown Pa,his comments were the retarders(track brakes if you will ) were great when they worked and didn't squeal like all hell ,when they didn't work cars would go flying down the track and slam into the other cut of cars on the track. It was also very entertaining to watch the car pick a switch, go sideways and flop over .. Just another day on the Railroad . He was a Lehigh Valley/Conrail/ Norfolk Southern Employee for 35 + years ..

Well if you want that challenge, then I think if you broke your choo choo, you need to tow it with another choo choo to bring it back to the shed. And to simulate the damage, use a RNG to determine how much the breaks should be applied while you pull it.

19:14 “the irresistible force meeting the immovable object”

Haha I just saw Hyce's vid right before this, lmao that sudden derail you binned was epic lmao, I love you guys.

When it comes to locomotive and carriage manufacturers, while I can't say for the independent concerns in the US, Crewe in the UK and Addington and Hillside in New Zealand did make both wagons and locomotives for their railways.

Firstly, kAN you're rep'in Canada and the metric system right, keep it up.(From an Albertan) Secondly, the binned locomotive rule is an awesome touch. Thirdly, you and Hyce absolutely need to do the railroads version of F&F. Choo Fast Choo Furious is an epic name for the sequel! Lastly, the dynamic between Hyce and yourself is absolutely mint! The conversations are epic and informative at the same time. Keep it between the ditches you two!

I love whenever kAN wrecks the train, Smells Like Kenosha comes out

This episode is just like Unstoppable, even with the forgetful trainman that revs the engine to full throttle.

My grandmother is part of a group that actually purchases rail cars that they rent to the railroad! for anywhere from 6-20k you can purchase a used railcar, prices varying between goods cars, tanks cars and vehicle cars and every six months you get payed a set amount of money from the railroad payment after maintenance. my grandmother actually owns 6-8 cars and shes dragging in a fair amount of money and already payed them off and uses the overhead to keep buying others.

You should use the caboose on every train for realism, by that i mean a place to drink boubon while waiting on the rerail crew.

Coal mine in Pennsylvania. Seam caught on fire and will be smoldering for another few hundred years since by the time you figure out what’s on fire, it’s already too late to stop it. Same reason the only way a steam ship can deal with a fire in the coal bunker is to shovel it flaming into the boilers. The smoke is toxic and nothing grows for miles, looks like a hell scene out of Dante’s Inferno. I forget the name of the town, but you can find it on RU-vid everywhere.

Even as someone who likes trains, i find it so funny to see kAN and Hyce argue of something so unnecessary and unexpected as who broke the train lol

Hardware talk. I thought I was working on big stuff with semis. A "boat" guy who rebuilt the massive marine diesels that have more displacement in a cylinder than my 15.2L semi stepped in. He told me the cylinder head bolts were 10 inches in diameter. The impressive thing was the bolts were only hand tightened. The engines were so massive heat expansion was what made enough tension to create a seal for combustion. . .

I remember talking about Railroad online hardcore mode. That if your crash you cant used the train for an episode or two

“You where the one who put the throttle on!”😂😂

Would be exploitable having the coaling tower pay you money for the deliveries. The item coming out of the tower is also just regular coal and can evne fill a hopper again, so you should be able to put a bunch of coaling towers in a circle with the shutes over the collection areas for the next in line just feeding a bit of coal round and round while getting money on every step of the way.

18:42 *"smells like kenosha starts playing"*

Friend of mine ships magnesium sulfate. His company leases cars from SHPX. He arranges for the railroad(s) to move the car from supply point to the customer and then back.

The lighting of torches to alert people down the countryside was used in 11th Century

There's actually an animated short film about racing steam trains out there on youtube called Steam Speed. They missed the opportunity to call is "Need for Steam". Unfortunately it takes a more slapstick approach than kAN and Hyce's idea of playing it so straight it's funny. It also seems to take visual design cues from F1 racing and for reasons I'm not sure of gives faint Star Wars ep.1 podracing scene vibes.

New rule suggestion: Railroads Perma-Death-Mode: You de-rail, you de-lete! (Unless it's the game bugging out and sending things flying for no good reason) >:D

36:40 everything you eat/buy/own, guarinteed to have arrived to the store to got it from on a truck unless you buy it from the farm. High chance it spent some time on a train, and if its anything made outside north america then yes its been on a ship across an ocean, or on a plane.

Rule Addendums; 1) You need to buy a "rescue" loco for the sole purpose of towing derailed trains and cars back to the garage. (+caboose?) 2) Until the locomotive have been a full episode in the shed, you cannot use it. (includes getting it to the shed) 3) Derailed Cars must be returned and placed on a "shaming" track for the duration of the episode. 4) If the Rescue loco derails, another locomotive may take it's place to adhere to 2.

I know this is an old video and I doubt this’ll get seen but the part where they talked about GM owning/using auto racks I have something to chime in with. I’m from Chatham Ontario initially and International Trucks when they used to have a factory there once owned a 0-6-0 shunter to move train cars loaded with trucks onto the main line for the Canadian national railway to deliver.

You started describing Unstoppable and I (who has not seen it) thought you were talking about Atomic Train

@5:45 You're talking Centralia; also the inspiration for Silent Hill in the film version

and the next episode all the trains are in the shop, Choo choo we die like men

If you bin an engine on the road, you should have to take it back to the main yard, rendering it unusable for the rest of the episode and the next, and then bring a new engine to replace it to finish the load. That would be more realistic

There are dozens of active known reported underground coal fires in the United States. Way more if you included unreported ones.. I think the one you were referencing was Centralia mine fire which has been burning since ATLEAST 1962. Anyhow, according to wiki: "Many coalfields in the US are subject to spontaneous ignition. The federal Office of Surface Mining (OSM) maintains a database (AMLIS), which in 1999 listed 150 fire zones. In mid-2010, according to OSM, more than 100 fires were burning beneath nine states, most of them in Colorado, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Utah and West Virginia. Some geologists say that many fires go unreported, so that the actual number of them may be nearer to 200, across 21 states."

The underground Cole fire you guys was talking about is located in pennsylvania Just a couple of hrs drive from my home town

RailRing of Museum turns, and Laps come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Lap that gave it birth comes again. In one Lap, called the Third Lap by some, a Lap yet to come, a Lap long past, a 346 "Grandma" left us to have a rebuild. For "Grandma" that was not an end. There are neither endings nor beginnings to the turning of the RailRing of Museum. But for now it was an ending. Being rebuilt under the high roofs of the shack, "Grandma" left us until future Laps, but it will return to run along the RailRing of Museum again.

18:50 **Insert nerdy Star Trek reference**

I feel like for the Law and Order: Train Edition instead of the theme song going "Dun Dun" it should be "Chuf Chuf"

You should bring the derailed train back to the shed with another train to be repaired

the new australia fire in pa it’s not because the ground is too hot, it’s constantly collapsing from the mine burning down

ive worked at an old coal power plant they have a massive building where you pull a coal car in and unhook it and it literally rotates the whole car and track upside down to dump it down a massive shoot onto some sort of conveyor system under ground i couldn't see the bottom it was to dark and at least 50' deep

Analysts disagree about the specific cause of the Centralia fire. David Dekok, author of Fire Underground: The Ongoing Tragedy of the Centralia Mine Fire, concluded that it started with an attempt to clean up the town landfill. In May 1962, the Centralia Borough Council hired five members of the volunteer fire company to clean up the town landfill, located in an abandoned strip-mine pit next to the Odd Fellows Cemetery just outside the borough limits. This had been done prior to Memorial Day in previous years, when the landfill was in a different location. On May 27, 1962, the firefighters, as they had in the past, set the dump on fire and let it burn for some time. Unlike in previous years, however, the fire was not fully extinguished. An unsealed opening in the pit allowed the fire to enter the labyrinth of abandoned coal mines beneath Centralia. By contrast, other sources[14] claim that the fire had started the previous day, when a trash hauler dumped hot ash or coal discarded from coal burners into the open trash pit. The author of The Day the Earth Caved In noted that borough council minutes from June 4, 1962, referred to two fires at the dump and that five firefighters had submitted bills for "fighting the fire at the landfill area." The borough, by law, was responsible for installing a fire-resistant clay barrier between each layer of the landfill,[15] but fell behind schedule, leaving the barrier incomplete. This allowed the hot coals to penetrate the coal seam underneath the pit and start the subsequent subterranean fire. Another theory proposes that the Bast Colliery fire of 1932 was never fully extinguished, and that fire reached the landfill area by 1962; however, a miner named Frank Jurgill Sr. disputes that theory. Jurgill claims he operated a bootleg mine with his brother near the landfill from 1960 to 1962. If the Bast Colliery fire had not been extinguished, the brothers would likely have been overcome or killed by the noxious gases via many interconnected tunnels in the area.

As a sailboat ⛵ guy I can say if I am going 7+ knots I am FLYING.

Railroads online pain hardcore: Everytime you bin it, you have to buy a car and then delete it depending on how hard you binned it. Railroads Online is slowly becoming Derail Valley but in the 19th century

I like how I minimized the video to listen to them as soon as they started loading cordwood and 10 minutes later I opened the video again to see they were still loading cordwood.

In fact, brown coal is a fantastic long-acting fertilizer for grass

Hyce - yeah starting in the teens, you know, eleven… twelve, the teens!

It's a great game, but I have nightmares about trees lmfao.

7:25 ah yes, jank engineering is best engineering.

Still got to see the Run 8 - full power - crunch - twice. 🙂

18:41 the wreck happens

If you're gonna talk about it not being tied down, you're also gonna have to pay attention to how it was loaded by a single crane in the middle of a block of logs.

Hyce and kan I had a few pics of trains 1 was of a train getting transported across the rio grande River in 1915 then one from a collision in 1892 in the bay of quinte railway in Ontario Canada

You can use Shay as your rescue engine 🤩

Yes that rules should so much be used and someone is going to make the DPH count eventually 😅 for both of you two ha ha.

i love how these videos have just become two nerds talk about train history while playing a game about historic trains

Another punishment for derailing, depending how severely you crashed apply some break to that car when you drag it back

The place of continuous coal fire is Centralia pa and is one of the places I'd like to visit for spookieness

When a company leases a car/rail car they can write off some of that cost as operating expense. So some times it’s better to lease it then own it.

I don't think I like the new rule. I come here to see cool choo choos and fun engineering discussions.

So I think it would be cool to have other people working other industries and helpers for you guys too call

the towns story goes: they purposely started the fire to reduce the risk of it catching fire because the mine had been shut down. so they started the blaze, but the fire got way too hot too fast and they could not put the fire out no matter what they tried. further, they didnt inform the townsfolk that it was out of control until hell holes started opening up eating kids.

i have a 140 year old coal shovel that’s been passed down in the family for generations

You should probably have specific sheds for maintenance, not just any shed

you should try watching Going Postal... I think you'll enjoy the puns... it's a Discworld movie!

I waited for a train twice a day for ten years. I strongly dislike trains. However, I do enjoy these videos.

I swear if Hyce is gonna say it depends one more time i'll throw a flatcar on him

I should not have watched this at night... I struggled so much trying not to laugh out loud.

29:00 its just like the trucking industry. the people who build the roads don't own the trucks that run on them, the trucks that run on the roads have to follow the builders rules (license, registration, insurance, follow traffic laws) there are entire companies out there that own hundreds or even thousands of trucks but not a single driver or load. They own the trucks, preform maintenance when the trucks break down, insure the trucks, everything except fuel them (some do that but charge you out the butt in the lease) and people come and lease these trucks because its easier then owning your own truck and your own insurance (hard to get as a trucking "company" with only one driver) People lease these trucks and run them as if they owned them, take their own loads, be their own bosses. Same thing with the railroad. The people who build the railroad don't own the cars that run on it, if you want to move cargo on the rail you have to follow the rail builders rules and regulations (have to run on theirs or a licensed competitors locomotives, its not a public road its private property so they could have literally any rules within reason) People lease the railcars out either in bulk because its cheaper then paying someone else to use THEIR cars to move your product, or as a long term investment (i imagine they are good for retirement funds/401k's) There are companies that build and lease the cars out to other companies who lease them because its cheaper and less hassle then owning their own cars because no maintenance costs, for example a huge grain mill moving thousands of tons of flour/grain products a day. They can pay CSX $1,000 per day to rent their cars, buy their own cars for $100,000-$200,000 a piece plus maintenance, or pay John Doe Car Leasing 1 monthly fee that is x % of the previous months profits made using those cars and receive maintenance free cars that you can use however wherever and whenever you would like and all you have to do now is get CSX to come move them. With autoracks its a bit different. Big car factories moving loads of cars across the country on a weekly or monthly basis will usually have a contract with whichever local large railroad company gives them the best deal, that rail company will bring in x amount of their own autoracks according to the contract (move x amount of cars to y location every z days) So financially it makes the most sense for the railroad to own the autoracks, because if they are going from the honda plant in Greensburg Indiana to San Fransisco to get on a ship, what do you do with the empty autoracks? Ship them back across the country empty? Hell no, if the rail company owns them, then they will use them to bring imports arriving off ships back towards the east coast. They don't need to bring the same ones back they just need to make sure they have enough autoracks by the time the next shipment is due. Anytime a railroad ships large quantities of the same or very similar products they almost always own their own cars to move that product simply because then they can use all the same cars for all the same products for a bunch of similar industries in different areas(autos, coal, large local industries, those giant black tanker cars that you see everywhere because they are designed to hold most liquids safely). Where as something like the semi trailer highrailer things someone tried, it wouldn't make sense for a railroad to own those "cars" even though they may be hired to move thousands of them a day, they just cant be used for anything except moving those one type of highly specialized semi trailers. It makes more sense for the trucking company that owns the trailer part of the "cars" to also own the bogie part of the "cars". WOuld also avoid having to train railroad employees in the proper and safe way of setting up those awesome trains.

I think if I remember the fire started as a controlled burn of garbage

They made a movie and video game about that eternal coal fire underground, it's called Silent Hill

He don’t know freedom unite you know 😂😂🇺🇸

I feel like the punishment for de-railing trains is that they have to build a fontaine in scrap mechanic

“The fireman of oz”

Speed remake but with trains... could totally work sadly... they did the public transport bus the cruise ship now time for the commuter trains

you have to drag it back with another train

Because you where talking about boats you should watch the YV series hear on RU-vid called Tugs

I have a question about the trucks/axels on trains. Is is possible to put the front truck/axel and rear truck/axel on two diffrent tracks or would that cause it to derail.

17:18 - 17:25 Call the Shed, The Red Shed Redemption