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Weird Colour Liquid Crystal Display 

Janus Cycle
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If these are not RGB pixels then what are they? Exploring the Casio CFX-9850GB+ calculator from the 1990s, with it's weird colour LCD. How does this screen even work?
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@ciprianpopa1503
@ciprianpopa1503 Год назад
Bi-refringence is used with every single lcd. And that is simply because the liquid crystal is bi-refringent. The trick here is likely one more filter, and that filter is a so called lambda filter plus the possibility to orient the liquid along 3-4 directions.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Fascinating, thank you.
@ciprianpopa1503
@ciprianpopa1503 Год назад
@@JanusCycle The give away here it may be that all the screen has a pinkish tint. Normally, at extinction (i.e. the condition at 4:08) one has the field black, set-up up also referred to cross-polarization. If you add to that a full wave filter (the lambda above) you'll turn the field red-violet. If you put a birenfringent transparent object in-between polarizers with sharp boundaries and flat enough, you'll see a characteristic color dependent to the object's orientation, and that's not true colors but an interference one. Quartz works best as the object above. Rotate that object between the polarizer between 0-90 degrees and you'll get the tints you see here. One more thing here, the lcd assembly is off the extinction position, likely at 45 degrees. That's why you have those dull tints.
@ciprianpopa1503
@ciprianpopa1503 Год назад
@@JanusCycle The acrylic demo does not stand as a proof. That is stress bi-refringence, the material is not bi-refringent. You get that effect when you push the lcd with the finger, though glass needs more stress to make it permanent.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
@@ciprianpopa1503 This is quite a detailed explanation you have provided, thank you. I get the impression this effect is generally not well understood outside of the expert knowledge realm. I greatly appreciate you sharing these details here on how this colour is being produced. I have pinned your comment for others to find. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@ciprianpopa1503
@ciprianpopa1503 Год назад
@@JanusCycle as you pointed out, this is basic knowledge in polarized microscopy. However, that's only a guess. It may use some other effect, like kerr effect. But that would require a strong electromagnet. A Lyot monochromator could be also employed, but that would harder to achieve economically. A Lyot would also able to achieve full color (also interference) spectrum, and that it's not obvious here.
@lachlanlau
@lachlanlau Год назад
the Posy voiceover inspiration! very nice video
@AiOinc1
@AiOinc1 8 месяцев назад
Huh? Other way around, he shows Posy's video on screen.
@lachlanlau
@lachlanlau 8 месяцев назад
@@AiOinc1oh whoops.. but you gotta admit the presentation style is very similar in this video..
@ivand5699
@ivand5699 3 месяца назад
The voice and accent here is way better IMO. Other guy is good tho
@aayaan1935
@aayaan1935 Год назад
This channel is a hidden gem among retro tech RU-vid
@First_Grafter
@First_Grafter Год назад
I'm so happy RU-vid recommended your channel, you definitely deserve more (your other videos like the tiny 11 on the Lumia are amazing as well!)
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
I'm glad you found this channel and are enjoying the videos :)
@ShadowTheHedgehog85
@ShadowTheHedgehog85 Год назад
I just discovered your channel a few days ago and immediately found it very "Posy" like. But that doesn't mean I think you just copy him.... No no... You have your own style and I like it. Keep up with the good work. Oh and I also remember that I had a mobile phone with this type of LCD in 1999 or 2000. I think it was the SIEMENS S25. Greetings from Germany.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
That is such a beautiful compliment, thank you. Posy is completely amazing and I love his videos. I would do a poor job if I ever tried to copy him. I can only make my own videos and it's so nice to hear that people like them. Thank you.
@AlbySilly
@AlbySilly Год назад
I love the fact that I've already seen every video you mentioned in this video
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz Год назад
I have a device that uses this type of LCD. It's the Siemens S11 phone. It also had a PC MODEM built in, you simply connect it to a PC by serial cable and can dial into an ISP, or you can send or receive a Fax. I used it for e-mail and fax on the go in the 90s. This display isn't just made for cost like this. The problem with RGB matrix displays is that they consume most of the light, since each area only lets coloured light through. So they aren't particularly ambient light legible. They can be made brighter by limiting the gamut, but these are for sure more efficient.
@PoliPantev
@PoliPantev Год назад
came here to comment about some siemens phones having this type of display
@gadget7434
@gadget7434 Год назад
and Siemens S25 too
@Fuzy2K
@Fuzy2K Год назад
The Pokemon Pikachu 2 also had a color display like this
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz Год назад
@@Fuzy2K I heard of that item and have been aware that it has this sort of display but never seen one of them in person.
@SamaelStone
@SamaelStone Год назад
My first cellular phone had such a screen. It was a Siemens S11 and I bought it because I liked that color LCD. It could also record ONE 20-30 sec voice memo 😗
@sralismazgalis
@sralismazgalis Год назад
I’m pretty sure some early color screen phones used this technology too, most notably old Siemens phones like the SL10. May be wrong though
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
I think you are right.
@anatolijkaszpirowsky5965
@anatolijkaszpirowsky5965 Год назад
Siemens S25 had similar color display to this one. And S11 Power too iirc.
@williama29
@williama29 Год назад
this is cool I have never seen a LCD display like this ever
@off_Planet
@off_Planet Год назад
I remember having a Siemens Cellphone with this type of Display back in the day.
@ivanleirbag9463
@ivanleirbag9463 Год назад
this is so cool man your channel deserves a lot more attention
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Thank you, I'll keep doing my best. Thanks for watching!
@firstsurname9893
@firstsurname9893 Год назад
I thought those washed out colours looked very familiar, Casio's CSF range of digital diaries also used these displays.
@Sparkette
@Sparkette Год назад
That was my first graphing calculator. I had a whole collection of them when I was a kid that I liked to mess with. When I saw the thumbnail, I had a feeling it was about that!
@AiOinc1
@AiOinc1 8 месяцев назад
Color television showed up a lot longer than 50 years ago, it's nearer to 100 years ago at this point. The first public color broadcast in the US was done on 10/31/1953. Some mechanical televisions were able to produce color before the turn of the century.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle 8 месяцев назад
We didn't get colour tv here until the mid 70s!
@samwilliamson4715
@samwilliamson4715 Год назад
Very interesting video, thanks 👍 enjoy seeing early tech you find that in some ways seems more advanced than the time it's made for Gameboy mod looks interesting too
@johneygd
@johneygd Год назад
This is definitely introughing me,if it is true that only 2 polerizing filters along with a glass filter are use to create all colors by simply changing the contrast as you have demonstrated,well that’s definitely a smart clever brilliant way to cheaply produce colors,that’s pretty neat, And eventrough it’s true that there’re no subpixels but each pixel’s contrast can be controlled and that way you can get around that and with that in mind i wish nintendo used such technic for both their old gameboy & virtualboy to cheaply produce. Color lcd screens,that would,ve been definitely pretty neat if they did that,getting 3 for the price of 2😁 But sadly they didn’t.
@momiswatchingyou2488
@momiswatchingyou2488 10 месяцев назад
i've learned alot from you, and you make great videos but with this video i got myself the same calculator and inspect it closer. i like it
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle 10 месяцев назад
I'm glad you are getting a close up experience of this tech. There are some models of the 9850 than can double the memory with a small mod.
@evv4198
@evv4198 Год назад
incredible video!
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Glad you dug this one. This was fun to explore.
@prozacgodretro
@prozacgodretro Год назад
It makes sense why it's kind of blurry, it needs a little bit of extra space to do all the extra polarized filtering.
@Oli1974
@Oli1974 Год назад
This Casio calculator I still use to the day. Bought it new end of the 1990s, it was crazy expensive then.
@voltare2amstereo
@voltare2amstereo Год назад
called a CCSTN or color coded super twist pneumatic display
@themeantuber
@themeantuber Год назад
Very interesting videos. Very interesting channel.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Thank you.
@veselcraft
@veselcraft Год назад
very interesting tbh!
@jwilliams5857
@jwilliams5857 Год назад
I have one of these "color graphic" Casio Calculators from circa 1996
@PJ-sv4iw
@PJ-sv4iw Год назад
I had one too. Used it in classes and the notes feature to write equation for tests :)
@mbirth
@mbirth Год назад
Casio also used this on some of their pocket databanks. And Siemens used this in some old mobile phones. But I've never seen this technology from other manufacturers.
@psxemulator
@psxemulator Год назад
Nice video, however: it is pronounced bi-refringence (double refraction)
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
I took the time to closely hear how people say bi-refringence and you are correct. I didn't pronounce this properly. With the Australian accent we generally don't have strong 'R' sounds when we speak. This is not an excuse, I still made a mistake. Just one of the many things I have learned from making videos. Thanks for watching and enjoying and especially for commenting, thank you.
@trueactionchannel
@trueactionchannel Год назад
@@JanusCycle don't sweat it. You have a very pleasant accent and voice.
@ProbablyAnAmateur
@ProbablyAnAmateur 6 месяцев назад
some VTech toys sported this kind of LCD like the Precomputer Navigator or Bandai supernote club toy computers too.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle 6 месяцев назад
Very interesting, thank you!
@manuellujan666
@manuellujan666 7 месяцев назад
Goddamn I love this channel
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle 7 месяцев назад
Awesome, glad you are having fun!
@amethystdene
@amethystdene Год назад
cool
@amonynous9041
@amonynous9041 Год назад
I love dot matrix display, whish they still made phones using this tech.
@ptahoglyad
@ptahoglyad Год назад
Some first color mobile phones had a similar LCD. It was siemens, if I'm not mistaken.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
I think you are correct, would love to see one of those Siemens one day.
@vpeter56
@vpeter56 Год назад
I would really enjoy some more music throughout the video. It really sets the mood and makes me stick to the screen.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Thank you, I love well placed music in videos. Something I want to learn to do more of over time.
@Raptor50aus
@Raptor50aus Год назад
Very intersting video, Will it run Doom? :) By the way I managed to buy an Aibo blank memory stick and are now running Dogslife on my ERS-210 :)
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Nice, Dogslife is well worth it, a very engaging personality.
@be3max
@be3max Год назад
I think Siemens SL10 that I have, using the same screen technology
@riccamutt
@riccamutt Год назад
awesome video
@zaitsxl
@zaitsxl Год назад
I think the same type of the screen is used in older Siemens phones like S10
@runforitman
@runforitman Год назад
idk why but this makes me want a multicolour e ink graphing calculator
@TMracer73
@TMracer73 Год назад
Been watching your vids for some time and untill now I had no idea you have patreon. Its not even mentioned in description
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
It's been a low key affair. I kinda like that Patreon is a bit more chill. I will mention it a bit more though, thanks. I appreciate your feedback and glad to hear you are enjoying the channel :)
@SorceressLyra
@SorceressLyra Год назад
Awesome video! bit hard to hear over the music however
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Thank you. I have been learning to do better audio.
@ravick6940
@ravick6940 Год назад
I wonder if Siemens S10D used the same technology.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
That's a really good question
@mrnmrn1
@mrnmrn1 Год назад
Very possible.
@chrisbailey7384
@chrisbailey7384 Год назад
Yes it does. It never fails to mesmerize me how it made non rgb color lcd possible!
@retropctech2407
@retropctech2407 Год назад
Most likely yes. I do have the Siemens S10D in my collection and the display looks pretty much identical to the one from the Casio calculator
@randomdriver
@randomdriver Год назад
I had an old Siemens phone model S25 which also had this kind of color display. It was small and had the color screen but otherwise it was rubbish.
@achangedman20
@achangedman20 Год назад
Old Color TVs didn't have pixels; They had a phosphor dot shadow mask and an electron gun They are by no means similar to today's pixels, indeed, they have dots and not a square matrix
@AiOinc1
@AiOinc1 8 месяцев назад
"By no means similar" is a gross exaggeration. The "dots" are still red, green, and blue, and must be organized to match the divergence angle of the shadow mask. Color is still produced by varying illumination of each "dot" from the other "dots" near it.
@mcwooley
@mcwooley Год назад
I'd love to see individual LEDs behind each pixel... LEDs that are reflective so that the screen can be transmissive Is there any way that this can also be an MIP (memory in pixel) display? Tuesday, January 10, 2023 CE, 18:03 EST
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Cool, I really like those Sharp MIP displays as well. I want to get a Playdate games console one day because they use this display technology.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj Год назад
Interesting idea, but at this point you're already making a Micro LED screen by itself, may as well just have the LEDs and be done with it.
@mcwooley
@mcwooley Год назад
@@Kalvinjj Well, I see your point I hope they find a way to make LEDs change colors without filters or subpixels Saturday, April 15, 2023 CE, 16:46 EDT
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Год назад
@@mcwooley there exist 3-in-1 RGB LEDs as is, some able to individually control the brightness of each component, so they just need to shrink those!
@Beans0beit
@Beans0beit Год назад
😊👍
@AlKaseltzer87
@AlKaseltzer87 7 месяцев назад
The Pokemon Pikachu 2 used that type of screen.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle 7 месяцев назад
I just checked it out. That is really cool, I want one now. Thanks for letting me know.
@AlKaseltzer87
@AlKaseltzer87 7 месяцев назад
@@JanusCycle I've had mine since around 2001. It got washed a long time ago, it still works, but the screen has a blank horizontal line and vertical line. I've been trying on and off for many years to try and get it working right. I've never seen anything else use that type of color screen until saw this video.
@roelpluijmen
@roelpluijmen Год назад
is this the same technique as the siemens s10 ?
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
Yes, I'm confident it is. I still need to get an S10 or related Siemens model to confirm this.
@WhatALoadOfTosca
@WhatALoadOfTosca Год назад
I remember these screens being used in the mid 90s on the Casio organisers also. Fascinated me.
@ardentdrops
@ardentdrops Год назад
There's a rumor that some ti calculators had the secret ability to display blue, but it would damage your display. Any truth to this?
@b2048_
@b2048_ Год назад
yeah it’s true, the displays tend to get overvolted by forcing them to make blue
@kepakpl
@kepakpl Год назад
Siemens have phones with similar screens in 90 s
@ropersonline
@ropersonline Год назад
I think it's not pronounced bire-fringence but bi-refringence.
@DanielGlover
@DanielGlover Год назад
Nice video. See something before, get games on some of them. This nice for it's indented use. Colour graphs and what not!. Had a Casio for college, Guess a 1990 one. single line normal display. 12 characters maybe, the odd little extra along top, say what mode it was in, nice scientific one. Argos catalogue shop job I expect 32 years ago. little button cell, changed not many times. Stick on thing around the screen all fell apart, the besle. Throw it away last year or early this year after 31 years. Battery died again and it fell apart. Can get cheap scientific (I have but does more than I ever use) in poundland. How things are cheap to those 1990's things. Bet even a 8 digit cheepee in 1980's was not a pound and they do more now for that!.
@greenaum
@greenaum Год назад
"birefringence", pronounce it like "bi refringence", there's no "bire" in it. bi re fringe ence. Whatever fringence is, you've apparently got two of them, and back again.
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
I greatly appreciate the corrections and new things I learn from comments. Thank you for this.
@greenaum
@greenaum Год назад
@@JanusCycle Oh shit I've just noticed a pinned comment saying the same! Sorry!
@JanusCycle
@JanusCycle Год назад
@@greenaum No need to apologise. It was pinned because it's important. Your comment adds weight to that importance and I thank you.
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